Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
What Pro-life Means....... Posted: 06-16-05 19:30pm
There has been much contention on this
board about what is and isn't pro-life. I
know what pro-life means to me. It means
simply...For life....And I am. I am for
all human life from the moment of
conception until death. It also means
that I respect life. I do what I can to
help the hungry, the homeless, the needy,
the elderly, and human life inuterine and
after birth. Being pro-life doesn't mean
just being against abortion...It means
helping to stop anything that destroys
life from aids to cancer, and als to
alzeheimers. Pro-life to me means finding
peacable solutions to world problems,
helping to fight disease, and carrying for
all human life irregardless of size, race,
creed, color, sex, or infirmity from
conception to death. I believe that all
created human life........Has a right to
life.
What does pro-life mean to you?
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 06-16-05 21:08pm
Yes, but being pro-life does not mean the
quality of life, just the quantity, you
seem to want more abused and neglected,
kids killing kids and adults because
adults do not have a clue this day and age
about raising kids they just want more,
when there is not much out their for
them.Then society has to take over these
children after they are out of control.
Sincerely,
sandy
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trina1
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Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-16-05 21:40pm
You bring up an excellent point. You talk
about abused an neglected children, but
lets not stop there. What about abused
women, rapes, children killing children,
gangs killing to kill....And what about
war? What do all of these have in common?
A lack of respect for human life. If we
truly respected human life...Children
would be seen as a gift, not something to
bully, abuse, and neglect. Women would be
seen as something to respect not rape and
abuse and women would respect themselves
too much to allow anyone to mistreat them
in anyway. Children would be taught not
only to respect others, but also
themselves and they wouldn't have the need
to take weapons to school for protection,
or to drink and take drugs to feel good
about themselves. Teens wouldn't need to
join gangs or to kill in order to gain
what they mistakenly consider respect.
Our jails wouldn't be filled with
criminals who committed crimes against
humanity and crimes of hate. Most of
all...We would have too much respect for
our fellow human beings to go to war and
we would look for peaceable solutions to
world problems. But unfortunately...This
just isn't the case. In the year 2005 in
the united states of america what we are
teaching our children from the youngest
ages is far different from respect. We
are teaching our children that it is okay
for another human being to show no respect
for the most fragile and innocent of human
lives and to willfully choose to kill
human life in its earliest stages. We are
showing our children...The leaders of
tomorrow that all human life is not worthy
of respect or life. And it appears they
are learning well.
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mom2trevor
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Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 06-16-05 21:47pm
sandyallen
wrote:
yes, but being pro-life does
not mean the quality of life, just the
quantity, you seem to want more abused and
neglected, kids killing kids and adults
because adults do not have a clue this day
and age about raising kids they just want
more, when there is not much out their for
them.Then society has to take over these
children after they are out of control.
Sincerely,
sandy
abortion is legal and these things still
happen all the time. Keeping abortion
legal or making abortion illegal will not
change that. It's going to happen either
way because their are stupid people out
there who do neglect, beat, mistreat,
abuse their children.
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trina1
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Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-16-05 22:06pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
sandyallen
wrote:
yes, but being pro-life does
not mean the quality of life, just the
quantity, you seem to want more abused and
neglected, kids killing kids and adults
because adults do not have a clue this day
and age about raising kids they just want
more, when there is not much out their for
them.Then society has to take over these
children after they are out of control.
Sincerely,
sandy
abortion is legal and these things still
happen all the time. Keeping abortion
legal or making abortion illegal will not
change that. It's going to happen
either way because their are stupid people
out there who do neglect, beat, mistreat,
abuse their
children.
i agree totally m2t. Abortion is legal
and these things are happening. Perhaps
if more respect were shown for all human
life....We might see less of these kinds
of atrocities.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 06-17-05 01:22am
To me prolife means a bunch of people who
will lie and deceive to oppress women into
their particular patriarchal, fascist,
theocratic oppression any way they can,
including pretending that non-sentient
tissue is worth more than a live, sentient
woman to the point where she has to be
enslaved to ensure its growth
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mom2trevor
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Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 06-17-05 02:06am
steen
wrote:
to me prolife means a bunch
of people who will lie and deceive to
oppress women into their particular
patriarchal, fascist, theocratic
oppression any way they can, including
pretending that non-sentient tissue is
worth more than a live, sentient woman to
the point where she has to be enslaved to
ensure its
growth
to me prochoice means a bunch of people
who are self-serving and selfish. They
feel that a embryo/fetus is only a piece
of tissue (try telling that to some women
that have aborted) when in reality we are
all only "tissue". Pro-choice are a bunch
of power hungry, ego maniacs because they
have the powerful right to kill. They lie
(it's only a blob of cells, it's only
tissue, you *won't* regret it etc....) the
believe in taking another human life on
demand just because it's inconveinient.
They have no compassion and no respect for
life.
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trina1
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Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-17-05 07:34am
mom2trevor
wrote:
steen
wrote:
to me prolife means a bunch
of people who will lie and deceive to
oppress women into their particular
patriarchal, fascist, theocratic
oppression any way they can, including
pretending that non-sentient tissue is
worth more than a live, sentient woman to
the point where she has to be enslaved to
ensure its
growth
to me prochoice means a bunch of people
who are self-serving and selfish. They
feel that a embryo/fetus is only a piece
of tissue (try telling that to some women
that have aborted) when in reality we are
all only "tissue". Pro-choice are a
bunch of power hungry, ego maniacs because
they have the powerful right to kill.
They lie (it's only a blob of cells, it's
only tissue, you *won't* regret it
etc....) the believe in taking another
human life on demand just because it's
inconveinient. They have no compassion
and no respect for
life.
pro-choice simply means.....Believing that
one human life is more important than
another....Thus ones right to choice
overrides anothers right to life. Being
pro-choice means believing that all human
life is not worthy to live. Being
pro-choice means you condone ones right to
choose death for another living human
being.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 06-17-05 13:10pm
Fascinating how a tread about what pl
means to people turns into a pc attack
just because a pc expresses less than
favorable sentiments about pl.
Guess you really *didn't* want to know
after all :)
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mom2trevor
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Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 06-17-05 15:58pm
steen
wrote:
to me prolife means a bunch
of people who will lie and deceive to
oppress women into their particular
patriarchal, fascist, theocratic
oppression any way they can, including
pretending that non-sentient tissue is
worth more than a live, sentient woman to
the point where she has to be enslaved to
ensure its
growth
you provoke thinds and then try to blame
us.
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seksiHily
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Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Posts: 1015 Location: MN
Posted: 06-17-05 16:17pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
steen
wrote:
to me prolife means a bunch
of people who will lie and deceive to
oppress women into their particular
patriarchal, fascist, theocratic
oppression any way they can, including
pretending that non-sentient tissue is
worth more than a live, sentient woman to
the point where she has to be enslaved to
ensure its
growth
to me prochoice means a bunch of people
who are self-serving and selfish. They
feel that a embryo/fetus is only a piece
of tissue (try telling that to some women
that have aborted) when in reality we are
all only "tissue". Pro-choice are a
bunch of power hungry, ego maniacs because
they have the powerful right to kill.
They lie (it's only a blob of cells, it's
only tissue, you *won't* regret it
etc....) the believe in taking another
human life on demand just because it's
inconveinient. They have no compassion
and no respect for
life.
whoa ive never said you wont regret it.
But whats the point of stressing out a
pregnant woman more? Making it worse?
Bullying?
I could say pro lifers kill and injure
innocent pregnant women, who sometimes
aren't even there (or for that matter
considerign) abortion. At least with pro
choice it's her choice and not made for
her by some crazy with a bomb.
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trina1
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Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-17-05 16:54pm
seksihily
wrote:
mom2trevor
wrote:
steen
wrote:
to me prolife means a bunch
of people who will lie and deceive to
oppress women into their particular
patriarchal, fascist, theocratic
oppression any way they can, including
pretending that non-sentient tissue is
worth more than a live, sentient woman to
the point where she has to be enslaved to
ensure its
growth
to me prochoice means a bunch of people
who are self-serving and selfish. They
feel that a embryo/fetus is only a piece
of tissue (try telling that to some women
that have aborted) when in reality we are
all only "tissue". Pro-choice are a
bunch of power hungry, ego maniacs because
they have the powerful right to kill.
They lie (it's only a blob of cells, it's
only tissue, you *won't* regret it
etc....) the believe in taking another
human life on demand just because it's
inconveinient. They have no compassion
and no respect for
life.
whoa ive never said you wont regret it.
But whats the point of stressing out a
pregnant woman more? Making it worse?
Bullying?
I could say pro lifers kill and injure
innocent pregnant women, who sometimes
aren't even there (or for that matter
considerign) abortion. At least with pro
choice it's her choice and not made for
her by some crazy with a
bomb.
i beg to differ....But when you
say....."at least with pro choice it's her
choice and not made for her by some crazy
with a bomb." you are talking about
extremist, not normal pro-lifers. But let
me ask you? What is wrong with a woman
knowing both sides of the issue? In order
to make a "choice".....Doesn't it help to
see the situation from all angles? What
if a woman is pregnant and scared....Walks
into a clinic and that clinic treats the
fetus she is carrying as insignificant and
she aborts....And then later on she
decides that the fetus was not
insignificant and was in fact human life?
What if she says....Why didn't someone
tell me? Why wasn't I given the whole
picture? And believe me....This does
happen. Most clinics don't humanize the
fetus at all........They compare it to a
cancer....And who wants a cancer in their
body? In reality though....The fetus is
undeniably the early stages of human
life....Why is this not made definite to
the woman? Again....Don't you need all
the facts to make an informed "choice?"
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seksiHily
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Joined: 04 Apr 2005 Posts: 1015 Location: MN
Posted: 06-17-05 17:38pm
Yes, and the people that many times you
guys are talking about doing abortions far
into pregnancies are extremists too. I
for one do not support that.
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trina1
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Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-17-05 17:43pm
seksihily
wrote:
yes, and the people that
many times you guys are talking about
doing abortions far into pregnancies are
extremists too. I for one do not support
that.
so maybe at least some of us can agree to
start looking at pro-lifers and
pro-choicers individually and not confuse
all with some.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 06-17-05 18:03pm
trina1
wrote:
seksihily
wrote:
yes, and the people that
many times you guys are talking about
doing abortions far into pregnancies are
extremists too. I for one do not
support that.
so maybe at least some of us can agree to
start looking at pro-lifers and
pro-choicers individually and not confuse
all with
some.
that would be nice. No
more "pro-abort" naming and lying
claptrap?
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 06-17-05 18:40pm
Yes and certain of you can stop calling me
a fundie anti-choicer as now an advocate
for pro-choice and one from pro-life have
both said I am pro-choice. Even if I
don;t believe in [b]everything[b]
pro-choice.
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trina1
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Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-17-05 19:26pm
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
yes and certain of you can
stop calling me a fundie anti-choicer as
now an advocate for pro-choice and one
from pro-life have both said I am
pro-choice. Even if I don;t believe in
[b]everything[b]
pro-choice.
how about if we just call you lil_blaze?
:)
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 06-17-05 19:50pm
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
yes and certain of you can
stop calling me a fundie anti-choicer as
now an advocate for pro-choice and one
from pro-life have both said I am
pro-choice. Even if I don;t believe in
[b]everything[b]
pro-choice.
well, yes. Actually,
pro-choice simply means that whatever your
opinion, you still think that she is the
one who should make the decision. All
the other is your own views, but the above
is what is central to prochoice. So
there is lots of room for disagreement
within prochoice.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Re: What Pro-life Means....... Posted: 06-17-05 19:53pm
jlee77
wrote:
nobody is forcing woman to
gestate against their will...Hence the
legality of abortion. She is the one who
got pregnant, we didn't force her to
become
pregnant.
irrelevant to your
attempt at denying her valid, legal
medical treatment for unwanted outcomes.
It is no different than you trying to stop
her from lung cancer surgery, misogynist.
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trina1
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Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 528 Location: , Lost in Oz.
Posted: 06-17-05 20:02pm
jlee77
wrote:
trina1
wrote:
seksihily
wrote:
mom2trevor
wrote:
steen
wrote:
to me prolife means a bunch
of people who will lie and deceive to
oppress women into their particular
patriarchal, fascist, theocratic
oppression any way they can, including
pretending that non-sentient tissue is
worth more than a live, sentient woman to
the point where she has to be enslaved to
ensure its
growth
to me prochoice means a bunch of people
who are self-serving and selfish.
They feel that a embryo/fetus is only a
piece of tissue (try telling that to some
women that have aborted) when in reality
we are all only "tissue". Pro-choice
are a bunch of power hungry, ego maniacs
because they have the powerful right to
kill. They lie (it's only a blob of
cells, it's only tissue, you *won't*
regret it etc....) the believe in taking
another human life on demand just because
it's inconveinient. They have no
compassion and no respect for
life.
whoa ive never said you wont regret it.
But whats the point of stressing out a
pregnant woman more? Making it worse?
Bullying?
I could say pro lifers kill and injure
innocent pregnant women, who sometimes
aren't even there (or for that matter
considerign) abortion. At least with
pro choice it's her choice and not made
for her by some crazy with a
bomb.
i beg to differ....But when you
say....."at least with pro choice it's her
choice and not made for her by some crazy
with a bomb." you are talking about
extremist, not normal pro-lifers. But
let me ask you? What is wrong with a
woman knowing both sides of the issue?
In order to make a "choice".....Doesn't it
help to see the situation from all angles?
What if a woman is pregnant and
scared....Walks into a clinic and that
clinic treats the fetus she is carrying as
insignificant and she aborts....And then
later on she decides that the fetus was
not insignificant and was in fact human
life? What if she says....Why didn't
someone tell me? Why wasn't I given the
whole picture? And believe me....This
does happen. Most clinics don't
humanize the fetus at all........They
compare it to a cancer....And who wants a
cancer in their body? In reality
though....The fetus is undeniably the
early stages of human life....Why is this
not made definite to the woman?
Again....Don't you need all the facts to
make an informed
"choice?"
yes, this happens all the time. Clinics
fail or "forget" to mention the aftermath
mentally and physically of an abortion.
Which is something else that makes me
sick. At the same time.....Woman need to
be smart. These woman that walk into a
clinic unsure, (say for example a woman
being there due to her partner wanting the
aboriton but not her.......)need to ask
questions if they need to know what is
going on with the abortion. A simple
question could save a human life. Many
woman abort I believe due to a lack of
intelligence...They just don't want to ask
questions. And then they end up
regretting it. It's sad if you ask
me.
yes...But if they are young and
scared....Sometimes they don't know what
questions to ask. They go in and are told
that it is just a simple medical procedure
to remove the embryo. Sometimes these
girls aren't even sure what an embryo is.
It is not until later that they realize
what they actually have done....Because no
one gave them the full story.
