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Letters Tell Da Man Who Killed Fetuses Controlled
Posted: 06-18-05 17:07pm

By pam easton
associated press


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gerardo flores, 19, who allegedly conspired with his girlfriend to kill the twin fetuses she carried, walks out of district court june 1 in lufkin.

Lufkin — in explicit letters written from jail, often signed with "love," 19-year-old gerardo flores tells his girlfriend how unworthy of him she is.

"well, you fat, ugly troll I guess i'll let you go cuz I got tired of writting you and thinking what to put down, so hopefully i'll be especting a letter from you," flores wrote in one of his handwritten letters to erica basoria, whose last name he sometimes spells "basura," which in spanish means trash.

Flores was convicted earlier this month on two capital homicide charges for stepping on his pregnant girlfriend's stomach and causing the deaths of their unborn twin sons. He was sentenced to life in prison.

After basoria, now 17, miscarried in may 2004, she signed an affidavit on flores' behalf claiming she beat herself in the stomach and twice asked flores to stand on her belly — once two weeks before she miscarried and a second time a week before.

Prosecutors, however, believe basoria was abused by flores and never asked him to stand on her growing abdomen nor inflicted any injury on herself.

Angelina county assistant district attorney art bauereiss says basoria was just as much the victim of an abusive man as the twins she carried. Basoria was not charged in the twins' deaths.

For some, flores' conviction has called into question the fairness of texas' fetal protection law, which gives a fetus legal standing but exempts mothers and health care providers who perform a legal medical procedure.

"it's unfair that a doctor can perform an abortion, a wife can perform an abortion on herself ... (but) the person who helps them can go to prison for the rest of their life," said flores' attorney ryan deaton, who plans to appeal flores' conviction.

Deaton claims the law, passed in 2003, violates the equal protection clauses of both the u.S. And texas constitutions.

Others, like joe pojman, executive director of the texas alliance for life, which helped craft the fetal protection legislation, say the law is constitutionally sound and working as intended.

"even the laws that protected babies from abortion before roe vs. Wade in texas and elsewhere, in no cases were women prosecuted under the laws," he said. "it was always the third party."

bauereiss says the evidence he presented at flores' trial contradicts those who "want to say that this case is one which establishes the law is essentially unfair because erica basoria wanted to have these children dead."

basoria was happy, even giddy about the pregnancy, and the bruising to her face, arm and across her abdomen when she arrived at the hospital following the miscarriage prove flores abused her, bauereiss said.

"you wouldn't say she volunteered for these injuries," bauereiss said. "is that part of it?"

when basoria found out she was pregnant in february 2004, she told her doctor she was opposed to abortion.

Medical records indicate she repeatedly told doctors and a paramedic after she miscarried that she had been taking her prenatal vitamins. But in the affidavit, basoria said she intentionally stopped taking the prescribed vitamins and began jogging, even though she knew it might harm the babies.

Basoria bragged about the twins and showed off a picture from her sonogram at school, bauereiss said. She had also picked out names: eric and gerardo basoria.

"doesn't sound like a woman interested in getting rid of these babies," bauereiss said.

Deaton, however, said basoria decided when she was four months pregnant that she wanted an abortion. When she couldn't get one, flores hesitantly agreed to press his 175-pound frame on her belly.

"he's out having fun with his friends. He's a senior," deaton said. "she's getting bigger and bigger and fatter and fatter and she's very jealous."

when basoria began spotting a week before she miscarried, she went to the doctor. The doctor determined the babies were fine and didn't note any bruising on basoria's abdomen or elsewhere, bauereiss said. There was a notation on the medical record, however, that basoria had asked about an abortion and was told she was too far along.

Basoria miscarried on may 7, 2004. A pathologist, who did an autopsy on the twins, determined they had been dead for at least 24 hours when they slipped from basoria's body into a toilet at flores' home.

Deaton acknowledges flores and basoria argued in the hours before she miscarried about him arriving home late, and flores hit her. But, he points to basoria's affidavit in which she says flores had not physically abused her, and the autopsy's conclusion that the fetuses were dead a day earlier.

"so it is really irrelevant," he said.

Three days after the miscarriage, basoria's statement to police differed from what she told deaton months after she began visiting flores in jail, bauereiss said.

"jerry had asked me to stand on my stomach and I had no other choice," basoria told police.

Flores wrote at least 19 letters, none of which are dated, to basoria. When basoria's mother found them in a backpack, she turned them over to police.

In the letters, reviewed by the associated press, flores threatened to stop writing basoria if she didn't do things for him, such as get a tattoo of his name on her body, where only he could see it, or send him money.

Flores told basoria she had to be the first to get a tattoo because if he were to put her name anywhere on his body, that part of his body would begin to "rott."

he also told her that when he got out of jail, she shouldn't bother coming around because he would be too busy with other "hoes." flores referred to basoria as a trick, a punk, a pig and a promiscuous person.

Jurors heard only a few sentences from the letters during the trial. From those sentences, jurors learned flores had questioned basoria about what his lawyer had told her and a reason he didn't want the twins.

"the reason I didn't want the baby's cause of my school," flores wrote. "but what now!! I am not in school! I am in jail!!!"

the letters, flores' attorney said, are the writings of a young man who didn't know how to express his feelings.

"he says some really nasty things about her," deaton said. "but what do you expect from an 18-year-old who is sitting in the county jail charged with capital homicide because a woman talked him into doing something?"

basoria answered the door at her mother's house last week, but told the associated press she didn't want to talk about the case. It isn't clear whether basoria and flores have had any contact since his conviction.

Sarah wheat, a spokeswoman for the national abortion and reproductive rights action league pro-choice texas, said her group opposed the state's fetal protection law because it could work to erode women's reproductive health choices.

It is unclear if the flores case will have an impact, she said.

"it is just one of these horrible, tragic cases," wheat said. "obviously, we don't know exactly what happened."

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Posted: 06-18-05 17:08pm

This guy is quite a catch. :roll:
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Posted: 06-18-05 18:43pm

He sounds like an uneducated friend. And if she did ask him to stand on her then she is too.
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Posted: 06-18-05 18:55pm

lil_blaze2004 wrote:
he sounds like an uneducated friend. And if she did ask him to stand on her then she is too.


absolutely.
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Posted: 06-18-05 22:00pm

jlee77 wrote:

news flash: each and every one of us started as a fetus.


and I thought the stork brought me from the cabbage leaf I grew in after my parents dry humped of course-loll
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Posted: 06-18-05 22:56pm

jlee77 wrote:
this case is sickening. Yet another example of our "fine" legal system. That health forum should be neighbors with the boyfriend in adjacent cells.
as yusual, your compassion is underwhelming, misogynistic hate mongerer. She should have help long ago, that's what she needed.
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and yes....Fetuses should have rights. And if not, neither should we.
your "because I say so" claptrap and lies don't mean a hill of beans in the real world, lying troll.
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news flash: each and every one of us started as a fetus. I know this is hard for some of you to grasp (steen), but it is noted as true.
as I have never indicated anything else, this is just **another** example how dishonest stinking scumbag liars like you actually are.
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Posted: 06-19-05 16:50pm

steen wrote:
jlee77 wrote:
this case is sickening. Yet another example of our "fine" legal system. That health forum should be neighbors with the boyfriend in adjacent cells.
as yusual, your compassion is underwhelming, misogynistic hate mongerer. She should have help long ago, that's what she needed.

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and yes....Fetuses should have rights. And if not, neither should we.
your "because I say so" claptrap and lies don't mean a hill of beans in the real world, lying troll.

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news flash: each and every one of us started as a fetus. I know this is hard for some of you to grasp (steen), but it is noted as true.
as I have never indicated anything else, this is just **another** example how dishonest stinking scumbag liars like you actually are.



lol. You really do say stuff like that. I thought they were kidding.

Now let me see if I understand this. The fetus is the baby. This guy jumped on his girlfriends stomache and killed her babies, but you mr. Steen don't think that her babies had any rights. I don't know about that. A young couple were hit by another driver at an intersection not far from my house. The young woman was 4 months pregnant and both she and her baby died. The man who hit them was charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter and is in jail because he was drunk when he hit them. How could this happen if the baby or fetus or whatever name you doctors give it doesn't have rights?

I have to ask you mr. Steen, why do you call names? I have never heard a doctor talk the way you do. In fact I have never known any professional person talk like you do. It makes me embarassed for you. And please don't call me a liar. As of now I am neutral on abortion. I don't know enough to make a decision about how I feel so don't call me the names you call some of the others. Okay?
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Posted: 06-19-05 17:43pm

Lol....You are a brave one....Sticking your head right into the lions mouth. :lol:
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Posted: 06-19-05 19:22pm

pcforme wrote:
chance25 wrote:
now let me see if I understand this. The fetus is the baby.


no, the fetus is a fetus. Babies are born. Biological facts are best used when discussing abortion, not emotional dribble that anti choicers spew.


this guy jumped on his girlfriends stomache and killed her babies[/quote]

he didn't kill any babies. He caused her to abort fetus'. So much for the "undecided" side you are on.


[/quote]mr. Steen don't think that her babies had any rights.[/quote]

babies have rights. Because babies are born.


[/quote]i don't know about that. A young couple were hit by another driver at an intersection not far from my house. The young woman was 4 months pregnant and both she and her baby died. The man who hit them was charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter and is in jail because he was drunk when he hit them. How could this happen if the baby or fetus or whatever name you doctors give it doesn't have rights?[/quote]

because he took the woman's right away to carry her pregnancy to term.[/quote]

sorry. My whole life when someone was pregnant we called it carrying a baby. Even my ob/gyn called it that. So I will continue with the term baby as trying to remember to call it a fetus each time is just too confusing.
Even a report I saw on tv covering this incident called them babies.

So when in your opinion do babies become babies? You don't believe they have any rights until they are actually in their mothers arms. Am I correct on this?

I believe the words used in during the trial were "two counts of involuntary manslaughter. One for taking the life of the mother and one for taking the life of her unborn child." the judge treated both the mother and her baby as two seperate people. But you say the judge was incorrect?
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Posted: 06-19-05 23:01pm

chance25 wrote:
lol. You really do say stuff like that. I thought they were kidding.
well, golly gee, I am so pleased that you are amused.
[quote]now let me see if I understand this. The fetus is the baby.[quote]nope, fetuses are not babies.
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this guy jumped on his girlfriends stomache and killed her babies,
nope.
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but you mr. Steen don't think that her babies had any rights.
babies have rights, fetuses do not.
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i don't know about that. A young couple were hit by another driver at an intersection not far from my house. The young woman was 4 months pregnant and both she and her baby died. The man who hit them was charged with two counts of involuntary manslaughter and is in jail because he was drunk when he hit them.
however, the second count is unconstitutional, and a lot of cases that pl have pushed will be overturned once one of them hit the us supreme court, letting all those guys free because pl couldn't help themselves playing politics.
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how could this happen if the baby or fetus or whatever name you doctors give it doesn't have rights?

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i have to ask you mr. Steen, why do you call names?
i call people on lies, and I call names right back to those who freak out when it is pointed out that they are lying. I never start calling names unless behavior warrants it.
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i have never heard a doctor talk the way you do.
i am not here as a doctor. You guys are not my patients. In fact, you guys are the ones that wnat to enslave my patients.
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in fact I have never known any professional person talk like you do.
so?
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it makes me embarassed for you.
but not embarassed for the massive lies that prolife are spewing, only when I respond to them? Ok, I get you loud and clear.

Or could it be that perhaps you shoud figure out the situation before truong to make wise ccomments about it? Just a freindly bit of advice.
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and please don't call me a liar. As of now I am neutral on abortion. I don't know enough to make a decision about how I feel so don't call me the names you call some of the others. Okay?
huh? Have you lied? So far I haven't seen you lie, so why would I call you a liar? That simply doesn't make sense.
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Posted: 06-19-05 23:06pm

chance25 wrote:
sorry. My whole life when someone was pregnant we called it carrying a baby. Even my ob/gyn called it that. So I will continue with the term baby as trying to remember to call it a fetus each time is just too confusing.

Even a report I saw on tv covering this incident called them babies.
the terminology is incorrect; just as false as calling you a corpse, a developmental stage you have not yet reached.
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so when in your opinion do babies become babies? You don't believe they have any rights until they are actually in their mothers arms. Am I correct on this?
well, at birth. The rights are not dependent on their being fetuses or babies, though. The objection to "baby" is that it is incorrect in a debate that seems to hinge a lot on developmental stages, and because pl are making dishonest claims regarding this, specifically based on the claim of it being a "baby."

so here, the correct terminology **does** matter. Consider yourself warned. The use of "baby" will get negative responses as its deceptive revisionist hyperbolic symbolism.
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i believe the words used in during the trial were "two counts of involuntary manslaughter. One for taking the life of the mother and one for taking the life of her unborn child." the judge treated both the mother and her baby as two seperate people. But you say the judge was incorrect?
yes, the judge is going against the us constitution, which per the us supreme court specifically is stating that the fetus is not a person, and thus can not hold the rights of a "person." it will be overturned on appeals.
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Posted: 06-19-05 23:08pm

jlee77 wrote:
the fetus is a baby inside it's mother sweetie. Learn to accept it. Get rid of your "i didn't kill the baby" attitude when talking about abortion. I know it makes you feel better to call it a fetus, but come on already....

"anti-choice". (giggling)...So I guess that makes you pro-homicide, or perhaps more accurate: pro-abortion.
so all you did was spewing a lot of lies. Yes, pl business as usual. No surprise there.
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Posted: 06-19-05 23:09pm

jlee77 wrote:
"homicide, stupid, is a legal term."

and your point is??? Your still pro-homicide. Which means ***your for*** homicide, similar to pro-abortion, meaning your for abortion. Would you like further explanation smarty?
and you are still spewing pl lies, loser.
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Posted: 06-20-05 08:56am

pcforme wrote:
jlee77 wrote:
yes not a nice act is illegal if you want to be technical.


homicide is illegal. Abortion is not.



jlee77 wrote:
it's still not a nice acting your child stupid.


mur'dering your child is illegal. You do know the difference between legal and illegal, right?


apparently you think changing user names is still funny huh? Grow up child. I fixed your mistake for you. Now please act like an adult.
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Posted: 06-20-05 09:31am

Pcforme you messing around sick slag does it make you feel powerful to talk about peoples children?
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Posted: 06-20-05 10:13am

pcforme wrote:
mom2trevor wrote:
pcforme wrote:
sh!Tforbrains wrote:
yes not a nice act is illegal if you want to be technical.


homicide is illegal. Abortion is not.


sh!Tforbrains wrote:
it's still not a nice acting your child stupid.


mur'dering your child is illegal. You do know the difference between legal and illegal, right?


apparently you think changing user names is still funny huh? Grow up child. I fixed your mistake for you. Now please act like an adult.
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i'm sorry that you are jelous that you aborted your kids and we didn't kill ours. Must suck to be a lonely piece of caca
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Posted: 06-20-05 11:13am

pcforme wrote:
mom2trevor wrote:
i'm sorry that you are jelous that you aborted your kids and we didn't kill ours. Must suck to be a lonely piece of caca


i'm sure you can prove I had an abortion, right?


if I were your child...I would rather be dead.
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Posted: 06-20-05 15:42pm

mom2trevor wrote:
pcforme wrote:
mom2trevor wrote:
i'm sorry that you are jelous that you aborted your kids and we didn't kill ours. Must suck to be a lonely piece of caca


i'm sure you can prove I had an abortion, right?


if I were your child...I would rather be dead.


ouch- a- don't turn in to her. Be the bigger person.
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Posted: 06-20-05 16:41pm

I know blaze but she has messed with me quiet enough and i'm really sick of that health forum. My son in nor a health questions nor a retard. So she can suck my doing it ass!
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