Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 79 Location: neworleans
Solution Posted: 06-27-05 11:31am
To reduce abortions, make men pay $75,000
per pregnancy to a woman for risking her
health and future economic status, or go
to jail for 9 months; enforce child
support with an iron fist and jail time,
and you'd see an almost complete cessation
in unwanted pregnancies.
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Fishx.
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 17
Posted: 06-27-05 11:34am
And yet a man has no say in whether or not
his baby/fetus is to be terminated.
Not a very fair solution.
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janeysuz
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 79 Location: neworleans
Sure Posted: 06-27-05 11:37am
If he pays up, sure why not...He's taking
on some of the same liability then, some
but, they won't be willing to pay up...
Watch how they'd squirm if an equal
liability law was passed
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Fishx.
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 17
Posted: 06-27-05 11:41am
So let me get this right you think that if
the woman want's to continue the pregnancy
that the man should pay even if the man
want's her to terminate yes?
Does that mean that if the woman want's to
terminate the man should still get equal
rights to forbid her to terminate?
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janeysuz
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 79 Location: neworleans
Yes Posted: 06-27-05 11:49am
Men should get equal rights when they take
on equal liability and equal
responsibility and shoulder some of the
health risks via monetary compensation
(the only possible way).
But, I do not believe that men would step
up to the plate.
Once they have to "feel the pain" just as
women do, they would sing an entirely
different tune.
Just for endangering a woman at all, they
should be held responsible. Nobody every
looks at the fact that the man plays the
most active role in conception. He's the
more aggressive usually, he's the more
irresponsible usually. Why? Because he
can, and there's really few to any
consequences for him if he chooses to
evade them.
If the law states that a woman cannot
evade her consequences, then in the most
extreme iron-fisted manner, neither should
a man be able to escape. Only when the
results of conception are on equal footing
for the man and the woman, can one
possible discern just how "moral" a man
will be over the concept of abortion.
The liability must be equalized first,
then the discussion is reasonable. Once
that happens, I think a man does have a
say in the decision.
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Fishx.
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 17
Posted: 06-27-05 11:54am
So women would in effect be selling their
womb sorry but your solution makes no
sense either the man gets a say in the
termination /birth or he shouldn't have
to pay .
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janeysuz
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 79 Location: neworleans
That's What I Said Posted: 06-27-05 12:07pm
He should get a say if he takes on equal
liability for the pregnancy going to
completion.
That is not to say that a termination does
not hold any health risks, for it does.
It would be reasonable that a man should
have to compensate a woman to a smaller
extent because she has health risks from
an abortion. He did not. To argue they
were both irresponsible is irrelevant,
since only she takes on the liability of
the health consequence in the event of an
abortion which they mutually decide upon.
The law does not see just compensation for
risks and consequences as profiteering.
See, you're squiriming at the idea of
equal liability before a man can request
equal rights. If you'd even been through
a pregnancy you'd say $75,000 was a
bargain, actually, it perhaps should be
more. There's zero profit in just
compensation for health and economic risk
and suffering, so to state it's "womb
selling" is just a way to take the
laserbeam focus off of the dad and his
wanting to have his cake and eat it too.
If a man went through the documented
economic losses and potential health
threats of pregnancy, he'd want to charge
several million dollars, at least.
Squirm, squirm...
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Fishx.
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 17
Posted: 06-27-05 12:15pm
lmao I have been thriugh 8 pregnancies so
why should I squirm lol
i don't beleive that you are saying that a
man should compensate a woman for taking
his babies/fetuses life what planet are
you on.
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janeysuz
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 79 Location: neworleans
8 Babies Posted: 06-27-05 12:17pm
Being rude stupid and silly is not
indicative of good dna to replicate so
much.
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foreverablue
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 17
Re: That's What I Said Posted: 06-27-05 12:22pm
janeysuz
wrote:
he should get a say if he
takes on equal liability for the pregnancy
going to completion.
That is not to say that a termination does
not hold any health risks, for it does.
It would be reasonable that a man should
have to compensate a woman to a smaller
extent because she has health risks from
an abortion. He did not. To argue
they were both irresponsible is
irrelevant, since only she takes on the
liability of the health consequence in the
event of an abortion which they mutually
decide upon.
well according to ehealths resident doctor
and pro choice there are no health risks
involved,so which one is it,is there or
isn't there health risks.?
janeysuz
wrote:
the law does not see just compensation for
risks and consequences as profiteering.
See, you're squiriming at the idea of
equal liability before a man can request
equal rights. If you'd even been
through a pregnancy you'd say $75,000 was
a bargain, actually, it perhaps should be
more. There's zero profit in just
compensation for health and economic risk
and suffering, so to state it's "womb
selling" is just a way to take the
laserbeam focus off of the dad and his
wanting to have his cake and eat it too.
If a man went through the documented
economic losses and potential health
threats of pregnancy, he'd want to charge
several million dollars, at least.
Squirm,
squirm...
zero profit in this hmmmm not from where I
am sat,if you get pregnant the man should
pay,if you have an abortion a man should
pay,what are you on girl.Have you never
heard of csa [child support agency] they
make sure that if a man gets someone
pregnant and leaves then they make sure he
pays.
Now here is a question,you decide to have
unprotected sex,the man asks if you are on
bc and you say yes but are not,does he
still have to pay?
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Kia
Supporter
Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 6594 Location: Planet Tampaxia,
Posted: 06-27-05 17:45pm
Unfortunately a large percentage of men,
do not take any liability and simply are
proud as punch to deposit their sperm
somewhere and why should they care if she
gets pregnant or not, they certainly
aren't even intending to bother to follow
up on the lass.
Nay, even some prefer to take what is not
on offer.