Re: I Most Likely Have Cholinergic Urticaria (heat Hives) Posted: 02-19-08 09:53am
hello, i'm a medical student. i was
diagnosed with exercise induced urticaria
since i was 17. i am currently 20. i have
to admit, i have been battling some rough
time with this type of Cholinergic
Urticaria (CU) because i'm a fan of
sports and exercise and CU just didnt make
it possible for me to do any activities
without going in to an itch fest.
however, recently I spoke to a professor
whom teaches allergies. he recommended me
to take Telfast and Xyzal. These two
classes of H1 antagonists works great on
this condition! I am exercising normally
again because all i need to do is take
this pill and it stops the itch and red
bumps. although CU isn't contagious but it
does scare away those who don't know about
it. These two antihsitamines must be
prescribed by a doctor, so you will need
to discuss this with your dermatologist.
They should know what these 2nd generation
antihistamines do.
i just want to let all you CU sufferers
out there - it's fine and someone knows
how you feel. you might have been through
a frustration phase thinking "why me?"
because this condition is idiopathic.
meaning there is no known cause.
if you want to know more about this
condition, PLEASE feel free to contact me,
because after knowing more about it, the
better you feel. knowledge can sometimes
really do wonders. i've been reading up on
this condition for a while and the more i
know, the more relieved i became.
josh6552
wrote:
Cholinergic urticaria: tiny
lumps (2 to 4 mm diameter) all over
appearing when the body gets hot,
especially when exercising, are typical of
'cholinergic urticaria'.
I am 19 years old. Whenever I exercise,
actively working, or just heat up within
5-10minutes I will break out in hives.
It is a very sharp tingly feeling and that
is when I know I am breaking out followed
by quarter-sized blotchy red spots on the
stomach, chest, back, neck, face. I have
tried several medicines. The first one
was loratadine. It worked nicely but one
day just stopped working. So I tried
stronger medicine called hydroxyzine.
This medicine was making me crazy because
within an hour of taking the pill I would
become very drowsy and my concentration
very fuzzy, I couldn't even socialize
because it would make feel like a zombie.
Nice thing about was it would block the
hives out cold no matter how hot I got and
not a single itch. So I got off that
crap and I had to use that for like 6
months! Now I am on zyrtec. It works
and doesn't. It will block the outbreak
but I still itch a little mostly on the
underarms and scalp. So it is hell
trying to manage these hives. Another
problem is the redness on my face probably
due to the histamine. It is concentrated
around the nose and resembles mild
rosacea. I am fairskin too.
I am not allergic to anything like food,
soap, or anything nobody seems to believe
me in my family when I say I break out
whenever I heat up or actively working.
I read that the preciptating cause of
cholinergic urticaria is sweating. If I
get into a hot car for example, I will
break out in 5-10minutes but I don't sweat
profusely, just heating up. It sucks
because I live in florida.
I have had these hives for two years more
or less! It doesn't quite run in my
family. My 18yo brother gets welts and
really scary looking hives but it is very
infrequent and not chronic.
I am going to see a dermatologist again in
2 weeks. I am tired of medicine and need
a cure.
Thanks a lot.
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threesixmafia
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Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 9
Posted: 02-19-08 17:50pm
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Transmobius
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Post Deletions Posted: 02-20-08 11:07am
I posted a WARNING about 16 different
websites that are all identical except for
the name of the malady that they cure.
They are obviously a SCAM but you may not
notice unless you are searching for more
than just your particular condition.
I have Cholinergic Urticaria, I also have
a great deal of skepticism. I did some
research on the first website mentioned
and eventually came across the other 15.
All the same. Either this was a miracle
cure for so many things, or this
person/people were simply preying upon the
ill.
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skitomcat1
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Joined: 01 Feb 2008 Posts: 8
I would love some help because as we speak...im itching!! Posted: 02-20-08 14:44pm
1. I need a way to easily make myself
sweat Without doing too much! Because
right now I cant do anything...In the
beggining I could tough it out until I
sweat but i havent worked out in awhile
and last night i started to run and it was
the worst, itching, burning, tinging,
twitching EVER. Right now i cant even
chase after my girlfriend without having
an attack. Does anyone know an easy way to
start sweating
2. I need to know exactly what vitamins
you all are taking and what store,
preferably website I can get them at.
3. Im a college kid so hearing this stay
away from alcohol thing is kinda hard. I
mean im not going to lie 2 drinks in and i
can just feel the itching coming more and
more until I have to leave whereever I am.
But after 4, 5, or 6 im usually so out of
it that I dont feel anything. I mean i
know its terrible to say but im always
feeling my best on weekends when im pretty
"tipsy". There has got to be a better
way!!
4. What has been working for me lately is
not taking the medicine at night when im
home and can control the temperature. and
then kind of "surprise" my body with the
medicine during the day. It seems as if my
body gets used to the hydroxyzine very
fast making it almost useless sometimes.
5. Next Im sorry this post is so long but
this page is helpful....will my kids in
the future have this or will my girlfriend
get it from me??
6. Lastly, What do you all tell people?,
Cuz i say some things and people look at
me like im crazy, like im lieng, or like
im just some pathetic guy with serious
issues popping pills all the time. I mean
ive said the allergic to heat line when im
just too tired to explain and lastly ive
said the cholinergic Urticaria line when i
want ppl to feel bad. but frankly most ppl
find it gross or wierd so what do u all
do?? Frankly the only advantage I have is
that im a 18 year African American Male
and people can't see the red spots on my
body!
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josh6552
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Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 24 Location: Tampa, FL
Posted: 02-21-08 17:24pm
Hey everyone,
I thought I would post an update to let
you all know the situation on my CU, so
far I'm still taking Loratadine which
still blocks the outbreak completely and
Zyrtek works just the same and this is
what works for me. I hope everyone that
has CU finds a way to manage it!
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Duper
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Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 32 Location: New york
Posted: 02-22-08 01:16am
Hey guys, just wanted to tell you guys
that the vitamins have been a great help.
It's been a couple of weeks and I feel so
much better. As I mentioned earlier, the
vitamins are cheap, so pick them up asap.
I'm getting my dental work done during
this month. My appointment is the upcoming
Thursday, and I think it's going to be
very promising. I'll let you guys know
after everything's done, though. I wish
you guys luck!
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Jon Law
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Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 25
Posted: 02-22-08 09:27am
Any chance people could just post up what
age they are? Does this thing stop at a
certain age. I'm 23 and hoping it'll go
soon.
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raversrevenge
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Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 1
Posted: 02-22-08 10:21am
Hi all, just thought i would put my
penny's worth in.
Im 23 from england, and have suffered
cholinergic urticaria since i was 15.
Comparing my reactions to some of the
others on this forum, sometimes mine seem
worse, sometimes mine seem not so bad. But
anyway, just thought i would try and cheer
everyone up.
Couple of weeks ago i was playing football
(soccer) for my local sunday league team.
Sure enough after 15 mins, the rash
arrives and although it itches like mad, i
can just about put it to the back of my
mind. Anyway, one player from the
opposition team was marking me, and when
the ball was down the other end of the
pitch, he said "whats that rash u got?"
I said, "yeah i should have said something
before the game, its contageous". He
looked at me puzzled. Then for the rest of
the day, every time i received the ball,
he was no where near me. I ended up
scoring the winner and we won 4-3.
In hindsight, i know i shouldnt have said
it was contageous, but we CU sufferers are
a forgotten section of the medical
community i feel. I feel this, because its
not life threatening and there are more
important diseases to cure. This is true,
but what if i was driving home after the
game, itching like mad and caused a
massive pile up on the road...?
CU might not kill you or I, but it could
kill someone else.
We need a cure!!!
P.s. I told the other player at the end of
the game that he had nothing to worry
about and explained all about CU.
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Transmobius
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Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 2
RE-POST: Watch out for this (w/permission of the Forum Admin) Posted: 02-22-08 10:26am
The eHealth forum administrator has told
me I can re-post this formerly deleted
warning:
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I came across this site and was
momentarily hopeful . . .
Joined: 04 Feb 2008 Posts: 2 Location: del rio, texas, united states
hey guys im getting better Posted: 02-26-08 10:33am
ok well heres what i realized
Most doctors dont know much about this
condition we have what they do is treat
the symptom and not the illness ive been
to so many doctors and they all say the
same thing and would give me different
medications that do the same thing. so i
told myself i would stop going to a
medical doctor and try somthing
different.
So i went on the hunt and i found a doctor
in accupressure and nuerolink. so i
thought what the heck it wouldnt hurt
right? So i went to this doctor and
whitout me even telling him i use to have
thyroid problems ran some wierd test just
by putting his hands on different pressure
points on my body and found excactly what
was wrong with me. i was amazed he said i
have a weak thyroid and weak adrenal
glands which are two major organs that
cause the hives that i get. i was amazed!!
well he gave me two herbal medicines
thymex and congaplex both 2 boosts my
immune and adrenal glands. took those for
about two weeks and went back. then he
started correcting all of my weak
electrical currents in my body. i know it
sounds wierd i thought i it was fake well
nothing happend for about two months then
all of the sudden i i went outside to help
with some work and they didnt come out at
all and i was suprised, i thought it was a
fluke, but then i was moving heavy stuff
out of my apartment when the hives would
normally appear they didnt its been about
2 weeks that i havnt had any outbreaks.
its so relieving not having to worry about
the hives..i took a cuple of other
supplements and vitamins and i think they
help... so to sum it all up heres what i
did
Went to and accupressurists and nuerolink
doctor
And i still take these supplements
I did a full body cleanser i dont know if
it helped but it made me feel better
Congaplex- for adrenal and immune
Thymex- immune system
Vitamin C-immune system
Vitamin E-antioxident
B12-helps for good circulation
(green tea supplment) i think this helped
alot- antioxident and anihistammine
Omega complex-good fats and oils,i was
taking this before
Drink alot of water
and workout in the mornings (usualy
running)and helps with breakouts
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threesixmafia
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 9
Posted: 03-29-08 20:21pm
uhhhh i rather live with CU that use
marijuana or ectasy. end of story.
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Yama26
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 Jun 2007 Posts: 5
Posted: 03-31-08 00:48am
threesixmafia
wrote:
uhhhh i rather live with CU
that use marijuana or ectasy. end of
story.
Yeah I agree. I think this is also the guy
who changed the wikipedia article and
added (without references) that marijuana
and ectasy stop the itching under the
"treatment" section:
I really had no idea how easy it is to
edit Wikipedia articles. Anyone can do it.
I can go and put false information on tons
of articles which wouldn't get changed
until someone noticed it.
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Jon Law
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 25
Cure Posted: 04-01-08 09:48am
I've just read a paper about a patient
with CU cured by using anti-IgE therapy.
This involved injections with Omalizumab
(commercially known as XOLAIR) which is
traditionally developed for allergic
asthmatics. The patient had severe CU for
5 years, and after the 3rd week he
reported noticeable improvements and after
the 5th week he had his first attack free
week in 5 years. Has anyone else ever
heard of this drug? I think it could be
very expensive. Here is the link anyway. I
don't know if everyone will be able to
access it. I can access it through my
University.
Wondering if anybody has any good news on
their fight for relief. the summer is
approaching fast , and depending where you
live it gets warm in some places faster.
Even though the weather is going to change
im still dealing with my work place..
being in stressfull situations and body
temp rising in a instant. for those who
have found relief i wish you well and
those who are still in the battle im with
you. We must win at this so stay focus.
hismanal (astimazol) they took it of the
market for cardiac reasons damn. All drugs
work diff. find your self a combo and good
luck..
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hinrgee
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 4
cholinergic urticaria Posted: 04-06-08 19:01pm
Wondering if anybody has any good news on
their fight for relief. the summer is
approaching fast , and depending where you
live it gets warm in some places faster.
Even though the weather is going to change
im still dealing with my work place..
being in stressfull situations and body
temp rising in a instant. for those who
have found relief i wish you well and
those who are still in the battle im with
you. We must win at this so stay focus.
hismanal (astimazol) they took it of the
market for cardiac reasons damn. All drugs
work diff. find your self a combo and good
luck..
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hinrgee
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Dec 2007 Posts: 4
cholinergic urticaria Posted: 04-06-08 19:01pm
Wondering if anybody has any good news on
their fight for relief. the summer is
approaching fast , and depending where you
live it gets warm in some places faster.
Even though the weather is going to change
im still dealing with my work place..
being in stressfull situations and body
temp rising in a instant. for those who
have found relief i wish you well and
those who are still in the battle im with
you. We must win at this so stay focus.
hismanal (astimazol) they took it of the
market for cardiac reasons damn. All drugs
work diff. find your self a combo and good
luck..
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anatta
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 6
Some positive results & insights Posted: 04-16-08 20:20pm
Previously I posted on the positive
effects of homeopathic remedies. For a
while I thought I'd be "back to normal,"
able to go about life as I had before this
condition manifested. Unfortunately,
after a couple weeks those positive
results wore off. This was extremely
disappointing, frustrating, enraging,
depressing, blah, blah, etc, etc.
After I getting over the emotional funk I
sought to find the fundamental cause of
hives. Hives are caused by the body's
release of histamines. These histamines
are produced and stored by the body. They
wait for certain triggers so they can be
deployed into the blood stream, thus
causing the itchy hives we fall a victim
to. Fortunately for us, the body can only
produce so much histamine in any given
amount of time.
After coming to this realization I started
TRYING TO GET BREAKOUTS. Sound strange?
At first, yes. But consider this: If you
try to get breakouts when you are alone or
in a controlled environment, the
histamines your body has produced and
stored up are released. And, for a short
time after your skin clears up, your body
doesn't have any more left to release!
What does this mean? If your body heats
up shortly after you have caused a
breakout, your body will release less
histamine, which will result in less
hives.
Over the past couple months I've been
intentionally causing these breakouts by
jogging 3 miles every day in the mornings.
At first my body would be covered in
hives. During the first week I had some
of the worst breakouts in my life. The
physical pain was excruciating (not to
mention I couldn't look at myself in the
mirror for a good hour afterward).
Slowly, however, I noticed that by the end
of my runs I would have less and less
hives. Throughout the day the attacks I
used to get have been infrequent and far
less severe.
Fundamentally the body releases histamines
in response to what it PERCEIVES as a
threat or danger. Somewhere along the
way, I suspect my body interpreted an
increase in its temperature as a danger.
I think consciously triggering the hive
outbreaks not only decreases the levels of
histamines in my body, but actually
retrains or reprograms the body to no
longer perceive increasing body
temperature as a threat--thus leading to
the elimination of this condition
entirely.
Your thoughts?
-B
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Jon Law
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Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Posts: 25
re: anatta Posted: 04-18-08 09:05am
Hey Anatta,
I think if you read back along through
some of the posts, you'll see that a
number of people have tried exercising and
purposefully bringing on the hives with
hot showers as a means of depleting
histamine stores (myself included).
You're correct about the histamines etc.
hence all the anti-histamines that a lot
of us have tried. But there's another step
before the release of histamine which can
be tackled. Histamine is released from
mast cells when IgE's bind to the mast
cells. I put up a link to a paper a few
posts back where some doctors showed that
if you get rid of the high levels of IgE
(which their patient exhibited and which
they believe most CU sufferers may have),
then you don't have to worry about dealing
with the excessive amount of histamine.
It's more effective and less painful!!
They used a drug called Omalizumab
(marketed as XOLAIR) which is injected
every 2-4 weeks. This binds to the IgE
which prevents the IgE from binding to the
mast cells, which prevents the release of
histamine. They have successfully
demonstrated this treatment and a patient
who had CU for 5 years is now attack free
for the last 22 weeks. This includes
provocation from hot baths and exercise.
I've had blood tests taken last week and
sent away to measure IgE levels. I will
have them back next week and will let you
know whether they are abnormally high or
not.
The problem with XOLAIR is it is very
expensive if not covered by insurance. It
is traditionally used to treat allergic
asthmatics.
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STAR421
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Posts: 1
7 MONTHS OF HELL Posted: 04-24-08 17:08pm
Hi all a bit about myself,I got CU back in
2006 I started training in the gym after
years of being out,anyway thousands of
needles and lots of hives took over my
life I tried everything the docs threw at
me,nothing homeopathic nothing, I remember
reading this site back then it was a god
send,I hated my life,then came the itchy
scalp feet even eye balls,
I went into the hospital out of
desperation all tests scans bloods, water
came back ok,so off I went still
confused,anyway after months of
in-activity I went back the gym and
decided to spend 2 hours on the treadmil I
sweated like a mad man and was soaked in
sweat all the needle horrible pain
vanished,left me completly I was so happy
infact I even forgot how horrible it was I
even went on 3 holidays in 2007 including
the tropics it was brilliant,I sweated
with no pain or nothing ahhh bliss.
november 2007 I had a really stressful
event which took its toll on my mental
health that night I went to bed and yep it
came back I was gutted I got attacked that
night by a thousand mozzies and its still
with me ,back in december I went the gym
and started jogging up hill to make me
sweat even more so I then ended up with a
ruptured lumbar disc and bad sciatica I
feel cursed anyway although still in pain
with my back I have decided to hit the
treadmil again in the hope my CU will go
away I would rather have a bad back than
this horrible CU.
I do believe stress is an important factor
I just cling on to the hope it went away
once so it will go away again.
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Ash2k86
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Apr 2008 Posts: 3
help with CU Posted: 04-24-08 23:15pm
hi everyone! I'm also a new onset CU
patient. I had one flare up in December,
and now, within the last month
(March-April), I have been breaking out in
hives everytime i exercise. It doesn't
matter the temperature...any exertion
(increase body temp) causes me to break
out. This website has been so helpful. I
saw a dermatologist and had blood work up
done. Xyzal or Claritin does not help at
all. Zyrtec doesn't work etiher, but at
least my hives are mild. I'm was reading
and am thinking about going on a low
histamine diet (avoid all foods with
histamine). Does this sound like
something that would work? How many days
would you try? What foods would you eat?
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