Known Cause & Cure Schizophrenia

Dopemin imbalance is the cause and pills to regulate it are the cure. There I did it for free.


I hope that doesnt sound ignorant, hope no ones offended.

Yes, the schizophrenic has elevated dopamine levels, just as normal people do when they try to solve problems that seem to have no logical solution. The hieghtened dopamine levels help nuerons talk to more nuerons. The medicine reduces these levels which "quite" the brain but it does not solve the real problem. The schizophrenic is just able to control thier responses (outside behavior), but the schizophrenic still does not understand what reality is and maintains delusions, they have just learned it I socially inappropriate to share those. What the real "cure" is, is a truthfull explanation of peoples behavior, so they can understand their negative life experiences, and what people really mean when they speak. The schizophrenic mind is capable of boundless intellectual achievements when given the oppurtunity to learn and apply the rules of logic "normal" people are using, and so they will understand what is meant, instead of taking things litterally. When the brain has the correct logic and understanding of application, the problems of life are solvable, and the dopamine levels will return to "normal" levels as it does for any normal person when they have the logic required to solve the problem in a realistic way.

That is hard for me to comprhend, my husband read it too, he had a single psychotic episode and has not suffered another since thanks to risperidome 3mg but occiasionally alchohol makes him say some strange things.

Someone in the throws of psychosis isnt going to have the rationality to be able to read and understand something like that says my husband.


Even a psychatrist does not claim to be able to cure schizophrenia but support and encouragement do help as I know.


Im worried that your going to discourage sufferers from taking their medication.

It all comes down to opinions and I always go for the professional approach which is the years of reasearch doctors have put in.

As for your opinion on the way their minds work, you do have some intresting ideas, but I dont think you have ever encontered someone in psychosis, belive me , you cant communicate fully with them.

I do not want to encourage any one to go off meds. I will try to be a little clearer about what I am saying. The medicine will help a person by taking away the brains ability to think quickly, and when a person is hallucinating, it makes it so the brain cannot create vivid enough "pictures" that the mind will accept it as reality. I believe however this does nothing to help a person to understand what is really happening in social interactions and it is that which creates all the negative past experiences with people. I believe the only way to cure this problem is to enable the person to ask those questions of why people say things that have a direct meaning in language, but their actions do not reflect that. In understranding the implied (hidden) meanings, however it prevent the stress of negative experiences that without the proper logic, it is impossible to understand. Because the dopamine imbalance was created by the stress, when one understands and is no longer in a state of feeling highly stressed and unable to make sense of experiences the dopamine levels will return to normal.

What I mean is as kids we are all told not to lie. Yet we will see adults tell little white lies without truthfull explanation that is logical and rational. And over a life time that becomes a lot of unexplained negativity, that the mind begins to "experience" and percieve this unexplained negativity as dellusions/hallucinations. With truthful explanation that allows the person to really understand what happened in those experiences, it will create the "normal" perceptions and feelings, that an antipsychotic does not.

I agree with you about stress being a factor. In the uk healthcare is free and anyone even my husband whos just had a single episode is allocated a cpn (community psychatrict nurse) to talk over things and make sure your on track. He is also signed off work and gets benefits to keep him secure - so as to minimise stress, this may also be a factor in his non-relapse.
The childhood thing doesnt make sense to me as you say were all told little white lies so why are we all not being lead down the path to schizophrenia if that causes delusions? Funnily enough though my husband learned to crawl backwards first! Please dont think im trying to say your born backwards, im just trying to add light to the disscussion!
I wish it was as simple as explainations and truths but years of such discusions with my husband and his cpn and he still has problems.
I know it seems cold and unfeeling, but a pill and avoidance of illicit drugs I really think is the best and most proven treatment.

The only difference is in adolescents the normal person will make the abstract leaps to understand why although society says it is wrong, the reasons and circumstances that sometimes society allows aand even encourages. With out understanding this as a child grows into adolescents the world does seem increasingly negative and decietful. This continues throughout life until a persons mind becomes fixated on figuring out what they have been missing out. Because on thier own they cant make the abstract leap (for example it is ok to say I like your dog, but then later they here me tell someone I dont like your dog) to understand I just did not want to hurt your feelings. Instead they will see it all very literally and then it is where my actions do make me a decietful person. With everyone that is encountered in life they see that behaviour. It is actually very reasonable as to why they are fearfull of interactions. Unfortunately as you have seen if you have been on the sane site in the uk, their are a lot of us irrational normals out their who still pour billions int pills and long term care that will never cure, only minimize, because they just havnt figured it out. Trying to raise awareness and teach the real cure in the mean time is what these innocent victims of sz desereve and until I see others doing this work, so I can return to my "normal" lifes work, we can all take the next step together.

If it was all as simple and straight forward as you make out, there would a lot less schizophrenic persons in mental health care and alot of money in your bank balance for finding a cure for such an emigma. I know alot of schizophrenics who happen to be friends of mine who I see on a day to day basis and the majority find medication helps them and a few find it doesn't. The ones it helps appreciate it and the ones who find it doesn't see it as hard luck. I've heard mental health sufferers say the meds don't work, so they don't take them. I think fair play, but take it if it makes no difference, what have they got to lose.

It is as straight and simple as I make out. The problem is that us "normal" people have a tendency to protect ourselves by sying plausible excuses such as "it's not that simple", rather than see how our unintentional "social deception", ie little white lies is what creates schizophrenia. The loose word association is the result of how they have seen us "bend"" meanings to make us look more acceptable socially. The disorganization is the result of observing the reality of people saying one thing and doing another. Their "lashing out" is when they can no longer trust and feel unsafe, because people at face value are unpredictable, and they can not understand those things unless it is logically and truthfully explained. The dellusions and hallucinations, really are the result of unresolved conflict that no one explains logically or truthfully because of their own self intrest in revealing (or being honest to themselves) means taking responsibility.

Well get a job as a psychatrist. This is the last reply i'll make to this egotist.

I tend to agree with japt because the medication i'm on really helps me (zyprexa) both with my negative syndroms and my positive syndroms.I think about my disease like anyother disease like diabete because that's what it is :an illness of the brain and it has no connection with me as a person with the people I know or with my experiences.Medication helps me get through the day and they connect me to reality.I don't know if you have ever experienced or even see a psychotic episod... I can tell you about this but i'll assure you it is not nice.Let me ask you something :when you suffer from a simple disease like a cold don't you take at least one aspirin to make yourself feel better? It's like that with schizophrenia . You want psycotherapy but first your patient must be able to distinguish reality and then talk about his thoughts and feelings

That is exactly my point micky. Good on you.

This is a health forum, hunkirg, go post on the alternative therapies board.

If I have a cold I do not take an aspiren because I know it has ne affect on the outcome of the cold.

What is your religion hunkirg?Maybe his religion doesn't accept medical treatment?And what is the outcome of a cold ?I can relate to what you're saying wtih a theory that I read some time ago that schizophrenia is an autoimnue illness this means that when you are sick your body produces antibodies to fight the virus after it defeats the virus the antibodies dissapear but in some cases the antibodies continues to attack the brain and some physicians think that the illness will pass on it's own.Don't get me wgong I think that will and how determinate you are can help you very much but medication is like a step in the right direction .

I am a christian, I have absolutely no problem with medicine, in general. Medical science has made amazing discoveries, but I do feel psychiatry is wrong in how it has approched schizophrenia. By the time the dr sees the patient it is often not until the patient is dellusional/hallucinating. The family will say the person has been feeling down or upset and then all of a sudden their is bizarre behavior. What niether the family/friends/doctor understand is that the person began isolating from childhood because the way normal people spoke created fear and misunderstandings and anytime the schizophrenic tried to share their feelings they were misunderstood, and usually recieved an undeserved negative response. These people are ignored or mistreated every time they try to reach out for help, though unintentionally. Then when they finally get taken for help, they are still mistreated, they are given medicine to slow the thought process and are considered "better" when they go back to saying and doing what us "normal" people around them dont find upsetting. They look at the altered brain function, and say this must be the cause, but no that is the effect of stress induced changes over the life of the person from childhood, because no one ever explained why people say one thing but do another, the fear and confusion that create the stress is truly the cause, the only way to cure the ilness is to remove the cause with truthfull explanations of peoples words and actions, so then the person can truly enjoy taking part in life and with the ability to understand the outside world of people, they will not have to create an internal world through hallucinations and dellusions that match the emotions they are feeling.

Hi there! I have some good friends that are schizophrenias and they are some pretty nice people, they have their bad days in a way just like anyone else or like I do, some are controled with medication and some are not, I myself have rsd that they found to late and nothing they do seems to help, I have not had a good day in soooo long I forgot what it was like but I am still working and trying to function but my mind is not too good anymore, I plan to see a dr next month that has more experience with the disease and I am hoping he can help.
I try to think positive, most of the time even though it gets difficult a lot of the time, my friends and I help each other thru the bad days. I have learned a long time ago that their is no such thing as normal, everyone has their problems and things could be worse, I work around kids that are beat, abused and neglected.
Even my dr said that I wish their was a miracle pill for you.
The best to you and yours
sandy

One thing that gets me is these people that claim to be disabled and sit around and do nothing, and they are better off then a lot of people that are working that should not be, some people are just lazy and want to be in the system.
Always,
sandy

While I am sure there are cases of individuals abusing the system, I feel in this case it is society who perhaps does not understand that schizophrenics, in my opinion, do not require a chemical lobotomy, but rather understanding, and an oppurtunity to live their lives as individuals who are allowed to contribute to society. It is society who has let down these people, not these people who have let society down.

People could not claim sickness benefits without a doctors sick note. So evidentally, if a doctor thinks a person shouldnt work, then they shouldnt.

When my husband was kept in a mental unit he wanted to go out and work but they kept him in.
Theres a whole spectrum of issues behind someone being on sickness benefits that you cant see on face value.

Its very dangerous to start generalising when it comes to mental health issues.

Ive worked in elderly mentally dependent care homes for 3 years (im now 21) but ive been offered carers allowance now and I have twin identical boys (5 months old) to care for aswell so I think this is reasonable.

Hey hunkrig,

i had difficulty understanding your posts.

But one thing I disagree with. You mentioned something how anti-psych meds are supposed to "slow down" thought processes? Something like that?

I disagree. I think that's probably not the case at all. If anything, the meds are supposed to "speed up" thought processes. The term, alogia, I believe, means that the schizophrenic will often have difficulty finding words and thus ... Experience slowness of mind, autistic thinking, and long mental pauses during conversation.

I think the meds, actually, are suppposed to help the patient connect thoughts. Sz is a thought disorder. I believe schizophrenics have much thought disorganization, because he/she has low short-term memory and fragmented thoughts and require time to connect these thoughts in order to ... For example ... Converse.

So perhaps, because of this lack of connecting circuits (so to speak), perhaps a schizophrenic in severe stages may thus develop hallucinations because the brain can only now connect thoughts that are irrational and unreal.


In other words, verbal response time. The idea is to get rid of irrational delusions/halluciations, but also to increase verbal response time ... To help the patient think better.


Josh