Being a male, I don't know if I have a
right to an opinion on this subject. I'm
very lucky that I will never be in a
situation like that. I'm sure it's a hard
dessision, not something people go out and
do.
Is it true that clinics give away free
condoms? I do believe that is a good
idea. Granted condoms don't work 100% of
the time, but it's much better than
nothing. They'll also save you from
std's.
Anyway, I don't want to get too deep in
this subject. My parents always tell me
that it's hard to make friends with
politics. I don't want people to hate me
just because my political views, not for
who I really am as a person.
People on the far right try to make it
seem like pro choicers have abortions for
the fun of it. However my neighbor had an
abortion and she said she had one baby
before who died weeks after birth in a
very painful way. Then the protection
broke and she got pregnant again. Her bf
ran away when he found out. The doctor
said this baby too would die a painful
death weeks after birth.
I don't think anyone has an abortion just
for the fun of it. I would imagine that
would be a costly, and painfuly way to
have fun.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I would
imagine most abortions happen for a
reason. To save the mother's life if
she's in a situation were she could die if
she goes through with it. Or if the baby
will die right after birth. Or maybe
because the baby would live a horrible
life because the parents have no money. I
don't know.
I'm not for it or against it, I guess i'm
still on the boarder line here.
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 07-15-05 22:12pm
The border line is a good place to be it
kind of makes you feel non-judgemental.
Just because you are a guy does not mean
you are not welcome here, the welcome mat
is here for you. So welcome
phillycheesehead, I am sandy.
I am pro-choice because I believe in
giving a pregnant female who is carrying a
fetus because it is not classified a baby
until birth a choice in the matter because
I am not living in her shoes and I have no
right to judge what is going on with her
life, so therefore she sshould ha a choice
to carry it until term, adopt it out or
abort it and I am not 100% for abortion
either. I just feel that their are too
many kids that are brought out into this
world that are not taken care of not loved
and it is very sad!
Sandy
I've been doing tons of research on the
subject the last couple of days. I'm
still middle of the road. Now, i'll
admit only a few weeks ago I was 110%
against it. After knowing the facts I
realized it's just like anything in life,
in that it has both pros and cons.
Now say I was like 28, married, and we
were both as healthy as can be, and had
jobs that payed well. I wouldn't see an
abortion being right in that situation.
I mean, unless if there were certain
situations that came up, like the mother
would pass away if she went through with
it, or the baby would pass away right
after birth. Which don't get me wrong,
that's not uncommon. I would think the
father should have some consent on the
issue, if he didn't cowardly runaway when
he heard the news.
But back to reality, i'm non of those
things. I'm 16, single, and have no job
at all....Luckily for me I also don't have
a situation like that either. But when I
was doing my research the last couple
days, many kids my age said they didn't
plan to be in that situation. But this
health class I took freshman year of high
school scared the heck out of me with
aids, gonereia, and such. Rubber can
break, and until i'm married I plan to err
on the safe side. I know it'll be easier
said that done, but if you can believe
then you can acheive.
Anyways, you may be asking why I havn't
made up my mind yet? Well I think both
sides seemed to be too passionate for my
liking. Maybe the are passionate because
they have been in situations that I have
never dreamed of being in. I have never
once held a baby in my arms. I'm the
youngest siblings, and my cousins, ect.
The closet thing to a baby I have held in
my arms is my puppy that we adopted in
sept 2004. It was fun to watch her grow,
and play with our cat. But she's a ton
of responsibility. I had adult dogs when
I was younger. We adopted them when they
were adults and already trained. So when
I heard that a dog is a good
responsibility lesson to children I
thought that ment feeding them, taking
them outside, and cleaning up. Then when
I raised a puppy from strach it all
changed. First you have to potty train
them so they actually go outside! Then
you teach them how to be polite around
guests. Teaching her she can play with
the cat, but not that ruff! Teaching her
how to walk on a leash, the list goes on.
I do believe I have done a fairly good
job of training her. I wouldn't say she
has made a 180 degree turn yet, but maybe
a 165 degree turn, and she's getting
there....But then again a baby would be
just as hard as my puppy....Only x10.
I thank god every day that i'm in a tuff
situation like that. The hardest
situation i've made in my life was which
cd I should buy...Then as my luck would
have it I walked out of the store (which
doesn't allow returns on cds) I wished I
would have put the $15 in a college
found.
I don't judge on this subject. I realize
people would see someone walking into a
clinic and judge them knowing nothing
about them, except seeing them there.
Anyway, for those who judge I protest by
not judging. Don't want to start an
argument with anyone. If I see someone
judging someone else over it i'll just do
my part and not get involved. Has
arguing over this subject since '72(?)
actually changed anyones mind?
I do apologize for all the spelling
errors. It's about 5am here, and I still
have this nasty cold.
I also apologize for taking up all your
time just to find out i'm in the middle of
the road. I just thought writting this
all down would be a great way to
straighten out my thoughts. Anyways,
thanks taking the time to read this!
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christy_babe
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 26 Location: US
Posted: 07-29-05 21:16pm
jlee77
wrote:
what you should be asking
is:
"what was your non-selfish reason for
having a child"?
Because I became pregnant with my son who
I loved from day 1 and due to the fact I
have a sane mind and a heart, abortion was
not an option. I now have a 3 month old
son whom I love very much, and my life
has never been better.
Thanks for
asking.
so having a child
because you want to isn't selfish?
Or is it only non-selfish to have children
and selfish to seek an abortion?
I don't like women getting abortions for
just any reason either but if you're going
to call them selfish, then you should look
at all childbearing decisions equally,
shouldn't you? Some people do decide to
have children for "selfish" reasons. To
see what they would look like, to carry on
the family name, just because, and the
biggest reason, one I chose myself -
because I wanted to. Selfishness is
choosing something for yourself over teh
feelings of others. I chose to keep my
pregnancy and my son because I wanted to
and I chose without considering everyone
elses wishes (i did ask my boyfriend who
wasn't thrilled at first but despite
whatever he said I still would have kept
my pregnancy). I don't think it could
get anymore selfish than that.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 07-30-05 07:34am
What is it with you two.Pcforme you had no
reason to follow her from kia-b except to
cause trouble,maybe a banning is in order
for you,might make you think twice about
the vileness that pours out of your
mouth.
This place got really vile towards the end
and from what I read you were as deeply
involved as any one,yet you were not
banned,wonder why.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 07-30-05 08:33am
pcforme
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
yet you were not
banned
makes you wonder why you and your wife
have been banned so many times, we can't
keep count of your names.
:lol:
lol you are so funny,pcforme/xwoman wonder
how long it will be before you get banned
from kia-b.You really are too stupid to be
on the internet, your ip may change each
time you connect but guess what
stupid,your server doesn't.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 07-30-05 11:41am
pcforme
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
how long it will be before
you get banned from
kia-b.
i don't know... How long did it take
you? Lol
hey stupid health forum ha ha ha,at least
get some facts right I am not banned from
kia-b,want to try again silly nerd,they
thought I was someone else but as I proved
I am not,so come on get something good if
you are going to try and have a war with
me.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 07-30-05 11:43am
jlee77
wrote:
cowboy:
advice:
don't bother with the vile loser, it's a
waste of precious time. Time is short,
so do not bother! Some of us are
unfortunate to not know the definition of
class. ;o)
oh but jlee she knows a lot about ass,hers
is so fat from sitting on it eating donuts
all the time.Oh you said class,the only
class this silly nerd knew was the ones
she got an f in.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 07-31-05 12:06pm
pcforme
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
teehee!
can't stop talking about me??? How
flattering!
how sad you are,
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paganangel
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 377 Location: VA
Posted: 07-31-05 14:58pm
pcforme
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
how sad you
are,
this coming for someone that "promises" to
kill people online.
@@
oh poor pc - you can dish it out but you
can't take it. Why am I not surprised?
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paganangel
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 377 Location: VA
Posted: 07-31-05 15:19pm
Oh how hilarious you are. Lol. I came
back to laugh at you. You are very
amusing.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 07-31-05 15:41pm
pcforme
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
how sad you
are,
this coming for someone that "promises" to
kill people online.
@@
this from such a stupid person if your
family knew how stupid you are they would
trade you for a monkey.Well we know you
will see what you want to see in anyones
post so here you are,you are
nothing,nothing at all,you sit there on
your fat sweaty a$$ stuffing your face and
play on your pc thinking you are clever,as
an outsider what do you think of the human
race.?
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paganangel
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 377 Location: VA
Posted: 07-31-05 18:24pm
Aww poor pctroll guess it's time for your
tantrum now huh?
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paganangel
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 377 Location: VA
Posted: 07-31-05 19:13pm
I actually think it's pretty funny that
you try to act like some kind of bad
as)s...Lol.
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paganangel
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 377 Location: VA
Posted: 07-31-05 21:08pm
Can you not read? Lol. You are good for
a laugh. I never get tired of laughing.
You're are the dumbest person I have ever
encountered. Lol.
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paganangel
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 377 Location: VA
Posted: 07-31-05 21:45pm
Oh no!! Not a third grade insult!!
Someone get the teacher quick. Pc needs a
time out. Lol.
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paganangel
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 377 Location: VA
Posted: 08-01-05 09:33am
Ha ha. That's the only thing you can come
up with. Lol. You are more pathetic than
I thought. Ha ha!! This is hilarious!!
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 08-01-05 10:12am
pcforme
wrote:
paganangel
wrote:
not a third grade
insult!
considering the lot of you didn't finish
the first grade, you should be
elated.
is that as far as you got in your
education,guess so because it is all you
can come up with,oh what sad sad
insignificant little insect you are.Hang
on you are probably still at third grade
because that is your emotional and mental
age