is taking the morning after pill concidered abortion?
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Tazzy D
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Posted: 11-23-05 19:24pm
carifairy
wrote:
umm I think that you should
not be so mean towrds women who have had
more than 1 abortion. I cannot use
hormones.... Paragard iud expelled after
1 week, and mirena expelled and displaced
after 1.5 years. I use fertility
awareness and the today sponge. I have
become pregnant 3 times on birth control,
I am okay with this. I have been
ovulating since I was 13, when I started
my period. I have been sexually active
since I was 17, to my soon to be
exhusband....We divorced because
eventually he began to mistreat me, and I
don't put up with abuse. So in the 6
years that I have been sexually active, I
have only been pregnant 4 times, 3
abortions. I think thats okay. I am
personally happy with that. I took
precautions.
look I have a lot of tolerance on alot of
things.. But there is always a limit...
My concern is repeated procedures can
cause medical problems, and since you have
had more than 1 you know what I am
reffering too..
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 11-25-05 09:22am
carifairy
wrote:
then i'll continue
fertility awareness. It has been working
so well for me though, but I have once had
an ooops.
4 pregnancy in 6 yrs is not "working so
well" if you ask me. I fyou want to
keep aborting that is your choice but I
imo 3 abortions in 6 yrs is nasty.
Kthnxbye
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-25-05 15:16pm
Early surgical abortion does not cause
scar tissue ect.. Only the old style
d&c scraping caused scarring. Second
an abortion is 10 times safer than
continuing pregnany, so this is safer than
actually having a child. Too bad you
think it's nasty, I have a college degree,
and make great money and am happy in my
life. Thats what counts. Your happiness
is not my concern, your happiness is your
concern.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 11-25-05 19:26pm
carifairy
wrote:
early surgical abortion does
not cause scar tissue ect.. Only the old
style d&c scraping caused scarring.
Second an abortion is 10 times safer than
continuing pregnany, so this is safer than
actually having a child. Too bad you
think it's nasty, I have a college degree,
and make great money and am happy in my
life. Thats what counts. Your
happiness is not my concern, your
happiness is your
concern.
maybe 1 abortion is safer but abortion
after abortion is not. And what do I
care if you have a degree, so do I and
make good money, have an awesome man
.A.N.D a wonderfull son.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-25-05 19:47pm
You are happy with your situation, and I
would not ask you to change it. I am
happy with mine too.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 11-25-05 19:56pm
My man is better then your men. I have
raised two wonderful children, I have had
2 pushed abortion's due to damage, 2
miscarrages two degrees and more than 2
husbands and have done time in a war, been
all over the u.S.A. And some other
countries and have had 20+ surgeries and
have helped people most of my life so I am
better then you are(this is so much fun,
lol!). I do agree with what you are
saying though cairyfairy.
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sunshine424
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Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 397 Location: New York
Posted: 11-25-05 22:18pm
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
carifairy
wrote:
i believe that as
responsible women we should terminate an
unwanted pregnancy asap. I do not
think that it is the best decision to wait
and have an elective abortion at 20 weeks,
but some women do not have access to
clinics in a short period of time.
Some women have to save up the money, some
women have to leave an abusive
relationship, so I cannot take away their
right to abort just because I think it
should be done
sooner.
oh well. They should have thought of
that before putting a bun in the oven.
These woman are not our responsibilities.
If she cannot afford to kill her baby,
chances are, she is not paying rent,
buying the right foods, etc...You catch
what i'm saying right? Maybe she should
take the money she does have and buy birth
control. I don't know about you, but
last I checked, that was cheaper than an
abortion.
hey, if I needed an abortion I couldn't
pay for it right away... That doesn't
mean i'm a bad person, it means i'm in
college and 500 bucks doesn't just fall of
trees. And pregnancy does occur on birth
control, though thankfully very rarely if
the pills are taken correctly.
I catch what you're saying. You're
saying any woman who gets pregnant and
wants an abortion is a dirty slob with no
self respect, who just pimps herself out
to any man who wants to have sex. That's
what you're saying. And it's wrong. I
take birth control. I attend college, I
live in a house with housemates, and I
have only ever had sex with one guy, my
bf.
The woman may not have any money of her
own because her abusive husband takes it
all away. She may be a teenager with no
income who needs an abortion. You didn't
think about that though, did you?
And have I not mentioned that I feel
women's money should be spent on birth
control, not abortions? Yes, I did.
But if she's already pregnant, all the
birth control in the world ain't gonna do
her no good.
And if these women aren't our
responsibilities, then why is the zef
inside their uterus any of
yours?
what I am saying is this:
woman that get abortions have no respect
for themselves or life in general. Woman
that get abortions are irresponsible and
selfish. I laugh every time .Sandy claims
that abortion is responsible. That is so
twisted. Killing your child is not
responsible.
If a woman has a husband taking all her
money she should not be with the loser in
the first place. So no excuses there.
The teenager has no business getting
pregnant if she cannot afford a baby, or
an abortion, however you look at it.
What makes you think I didn't "think of
that"? I think of everything. There are
no excuses for teens that become pregnant
due to lack of protection, as with any
woman. Any other woman's baby inside of
them is not my responsiblity but it is our
responsiblity to live life well and good
and to promote goodness and abortion is
only contributing to the destruction of
our society. It sends the message that
killing your child is ok. That taking the
easy way out is ok even if it hurts an
innocent soul.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-25-05 22:19pm
carifairy
wrote:
exactly becuase they think I
don't "really" want to be fixed. I am
only 23, and am too young to make that
decision. I have found a place many many
miles away that could do it, but the
travel would be so
difficult.
woah, I can't believe my eyes!
The travel "would be so difficult" but
killing your child not once, but 3 times
isn't? What is wrong with your brain??
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-25-05 22:20pm
sandyallen
wrote:
my man is better then your
men. I have raised two wonderful
children, I have had 2 pushed abortion's
due to damage, 2 miscarrages two degrees
and more than 2 husbands and have done
time in a war, been all over the u.S.A.
And some other countries and have had 20+
surgeries and have helped people most of
my life so I am better then you are(this
is so much fun, lol!). I do agree with
what you are saying though
cairyfairy.
i don't see how your man is better than
her's... Or at least i'm not seeing how
you're better at choosing them than she
is, since you've had two (three!?!) as
well. Saying you're better than us
because you've had more medical problems
than us doesn't make you better, it makes
you different. I personally am allergic
to nothing and have never broken a bone
and never been pregnant. It doesn't make
me better than you. Also, I am an army
brat, so I know all about being accross
the .U.S.A and in other countries, and I
know what it's like to have a loved one
fighting overseas.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-25-05 22:22pm
whatisupwiththat1
wrote:
tazzy d
wrote:
it isnt the mans
responsibility to go to the doctors and
get birth
control.
i love the anti women posts. It is
.B.O.T.H parties responsibility to use
protection. And along your of
reasoning... If a man doesn't wear a
condom and gets a .S.T.D, should he be
refused medical
treatment?
this view is not anti-woman at all. Woman
should not expect men to protect
themselves. Of course they should but
it's not their job to make sure we do not
become pregnant. It's our responsibility.
We need to depend on ourselves as woman
to protect ourselves. No woman should
rely on a man for that. What does your
s.T.D example have to do with abortion, or
what relevance does it have? None, zilch,
nadda.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-25-05 22:23pm
carifairy
wrote:
early surgical abortion does
not cause scar tissue ect.. Only the old
style d&c scraping caused scarring.
Second an abortion is 10 times safer than
continuing pregnany, so this is safer than
actually having a child. Too bad you
think it's nasty, I have a college degree,
and make great money and am happy in my
life. Thats what counts. Your
happiness is not my concern, your
happiness is your
concern.
sorry dear but abortion is not safer than
pregnancy. Amazing how pro-choice will
insist this until their blue in the face.
There are risks with everything in life
but don't try and tell me sucking out a
baby peice by peice is safer than
delivering a child. Spare me.
It's nice that you have those nice things
above but what you don't have is the 3
children you killed.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-25-05 22:26pm
This has dissoved into mean-hearted
nonsense! Why are you all trying to
prove why you're better than each other?
Stop calling each other cold-hearted,
souless, or whatever. That's not
debating.
Grow up. It makes me sad and sick to
see these posts saying that abortion is
evil and mean and that all women, with no
exception, every single one of them is a
heartless .E.D.I.T.. My mother wasn't
and isn't! My boyfriend's mother
wasn't and isn't! A teen who was raped
by her father isn't! Any woman at all
who was raped and aborts is [b]not a
heartless .E.D.I.T.
I absolutely cannot believe how callous
and misunderstanding you all are. And
how judgemental you are. Isn't that in
the bible? "do not judge"?
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-25-05 22:33pm
Again eiri, I don't feel you should throw
the bible in our faces when you have
"dogged" it numerous times. Make up your
mind ok? You either believe in the bible
or you don't.
I don't view my comments as heartless at
all. Ironic how you call it heartless but
you don't call the act of abortion
"heartless". Wow. Where are your
priorities? I'm sorry if it bothers you
that I speak the truth. Carifairy did
kill 3 of her children and that is what
her life lacks. Whether it bothers her or
not, which obviously it doesn't, it is the
truth.
I agree, woman that are raped and abort
are not heartless. Simply torn and unable
to make a good decision. I have talked
about this before. But the selfish woman
who just can't seem to "fit" that child
she made into her life is a heartless
health forum. Sorry.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-25-05 22:34pm
sandyallen
wrote:
my man is better then your
men. I have raised two wonderful
children, I have had 2 pushed abortion's
due to damage, 2 miscarrages two degrees
and more than 2 husbands and have done
time in a war, been all over the u.S.A.
And some other countries and have had 20+
surgeries and have helped people most of
my life so I am better then you are(this
is so much fun, lol!). I do agree with
what you are saying though
cairyfairy.
how arrogant! Your man is better than
ours? Oh how nice!
Your experiences above do not make you
better than us. Get over that belief
quick.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-25-05 22:43pm
sunshine424
wrote:
again eiri, I don't feel you
should throw the bible in our faces when
you have "dogged" it numerous times.
Make up your mind ok? You either believe
in the bible or you don't.
actually i've said many times that I don't
believe in the christian god. But the
bible, as a book, has many very good
pieces of advice. Plus i'm deist, which
means I take ideas from all religions to
mold my own beliefs. And one thing I feel
strongly about is not judging others.
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i don't view my
comments as heartless at all. Ironic how
you call it heartless but you don't call
the act of abortion "heartless". Wow.
Where are your priorities?
freedom for living breathing people.
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i'm sorry if it
bothers you that I speak the truth.
how so? Last time I checked, personal
opinions do not count as fact, and they
never will.
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carifairy did
kill 3 of her children and that is what
her life lacks. Whether it bothers her
or not, which obviously it doesn't, it is
the truth.
does my life lack because I don't have any
children? I've never tried to have any.
I'm quite happy living out my early
twenties childess, thanks very much.
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i agree, woman
that are raped and abort are not
heartless. Simply torn and unable to
make a good decision.
so the "right" desicion - the descision
the woman can't make because she's so
distraught - would be to bring an inbred
child of she and her father into the
world? How sick is that!?
"billy, your daddy is my daddy!"
Quote:
I have talked
about this before. But the selfish woman
who just can't seem to "fit" that child
she made into her life is a heartless
health question.
Sorry.
and that's your opinion. You do have the
right so say it, but why can't you try to
say it in a way that does not hurt
people's feelings?
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-25-05 22:54pm
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
again eiri, I don't feel you
should throw the bible in our faces when
you have "dogged" it numerous times.
Make up your mind ok? You either
believe in the bible or you don't.
actually i've said many times that I don't
believe in the christian god. But the
bible, as a book, has many very good
pieces of advice. Plus i'm deist, which
means I take ideas from all religions to
mold my own beliefs. And one thing I
feel strongly about is not judging
others.
Quote:
i don't view my
comments as heartless at all. Ironic
how you call it heartless but you don't
call the act of abortion "heartless".
Wow. Where are your priorities?
freedom for living breathing people.
Quote:
i'm sorry if it
bothers you that I speak the truth.
how so? Last time I checked, personal
opinions do not count as fact, and they
never will.
Quote:
carifairy did
kill 3 of her children and that is what
her life lacks. Whether it bothers her
or not, which obviously it doesn't, it is
the truth.
does my life lack because I don't have any
children? I've never tried to have any.
I'm quite happy living out my early
twenties childess, thanks very much.
Quote:
i agree, woman
that are raped and abort are not
heartless. Simply torn and unable to
make a good decision.
so the "right" desicion - the descision
the woman can't make because she's so
distraught - would be to bring an inbred
child of she and her father into the
world? How sick is that!?
"billy, your daddy is my daddy!"
Quote:
I have talked
about this before. But the selfish
woman who just can't seem to "fit" that
child she made into her life is a
heartless health question.
Sorry.
and that's your opinion. You do have the
right so say it, but why can't you try to
say it in a way that does not hurt
people's
feelings?
i don't like to judge others either. But
that only applies when the "others" are
not harming others with whatever it is
that their doing.
So abortion is not killing a baby? That
.I.S truth, not opinion. And killing is
wrong. That is fact, not opinion,
although you may argue differently. If
your good, you do not think killing is ok.
No, your life does not lack because you
have no children, because you never (from
what I know) have been pregnant. She has.
Her life lacked something she started.
It was obviously meant to be for her to
become pregnant and she took it upon
herself 3 f'ing times to kill 3 of her
very own children. Sick.
So are you saying you think it is sick
for a woman to decide to give birth to a
baby she conceived out of rape by her
.Father? It is not the babies fault. The
baby still deserves life. And actually I
was speaking of a woman aborting her baby
made out of incest....Not keeping the
baby. I have more understanding of this
situation, although I do not condone it.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-25-05 23:14pm
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
again eiri, I don't feel you
should throw the bible in our faces when
you have "dogged" it numerous times.
Make up your mind ok? You either
believe in the bible or you don't.
actually i've said many times that I don't
believe in the christian god. But the
bible, as a book, has many very good
pieces of advice. Plus i'm deist, which
means I take ideas from all religions to
mold my own beliefs. And one thing I
feel strongly about is not judging
others.
Quote:
i don't view my
comments as heartless at all. Ironic
how you call it heartless but you don't
call the act of abortion "heartless".
Wow. Where are your priorities?
freedom for living breathing people.
Quote:
i'm sorry if it
bothers you that I speak the truth.
how so? Last time I checked, personal
opinions do not count as fact, and they
never will.
Quote:
carifairy did
kill 3 of her children and that is what
her life lacks. Whether it bothers her
or not, which obviously it doesn't, it is
the truth.
does my life lack because I don't have any
children? I've never tried to have any.
I'm quite happy living out my early
twenties childess, thanks very much.
Quote:
i agree, woman
that are raped and abort are not
heartless. Simply torn and unable to
make a good decision.
so the "right" desicion - the descision
the woman can't make because she's so
distraught - would be to bring an inbred
child of she and her father into the
world? How sick is that!?
"billy, your daddy is my daddy!"
Quote:
I have talked
about this before. But the selfish
woman who just can't seem to "fit" that
child she made into her life is a
heartless health question.
Sorry.
and that's your opinion. You do have
the right so say it, but why can't you try
to say it in a way that does not hurt
people's
feelings?
i don't like to judge others either. But
that only applies when the "others" are
not harming others with whatever it is
that their doing.
So abortion is not killing a baby? That
.I.S truth, not opinion.
if you'd paid attention, I have also said
several times that it is inded killing
something, a zygote, and embryo, a fetus.
None of which I consider a baby.
Quote:
and killing is
wrong. That is fact, not opinion,
although you may argue differently. If
your good, you do not think killing is ok.
you better be buddhist. Don't step on any
spiders, or let men masturbate, or brush
your teeth. In fact, don't move, you're
squishing bacteria.
Quote:
no, your life does not lack because you
have no children, because you never (from
what I know) have been pregnant. She
has. Her life lacked something she
started. It was obviously meant to be
for her to become pregnant and she took it
upon herself 3 f'ing times to kill 3 of
her very own children. Sick.
So are you saying you think it is sick
for a woman to decide to give birth to a
baby she conceived out of rape by her
.Father?
wouldn't you agree that incest and
inbreeding is sick?
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it is not the
babies fault.
then why bring a being into the world with
a high chance of mental and physical
problems because its genes are messed
up?
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the baby still
deserves life. And actually I was
speaking of a woman aborting her baby made
out of incest....Not keeping the baby. I
have more understanding of this situation,
although I do not condone
it.
i just find the idea of bringing life out
of such screwed up circumstances very
disturbing. And i'd certainly hope that
the father never sees that child. I pray
that child never finds out, because i'd be
highly disturbed if that was me.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-27-05 16:05pm
Okay the name calling thing has gone too
far. Sunshine I do not believe that I am
better than you. I am simply saying that
I am just as happy in my childfree life as
you are in your life decision to have
children. Each person in this world knows
what is best for them, including you
knowing what is best for you. We know
what is best for us. What is best for me,
and what I like, is a good college
education and solid career that I enjoy
wholeheartedly. I would not enjoy having
children, that is just my personal
feelings on the matter.
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paganangel
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Posted: 11-27-05 17:08pm
sandyallen
wrote:
my man is better then your
men. I have raised two wonderful
children, I have had 2 pushed abortion's
due to damage, 2 miscarrages two degrees
and more than 2 husbands and have done
time in a war, been all over the u.S.A.
And some other countries and have had 20+
surgeries and have helped people most of
my life so I am better then you are(this
is so much fun, lol!). I do agree with
what you are saying though
cairyfairy.
oh wow? *shock* sandy is playing the
holier-than-thou part again. What a
laugh...What do you get out of all of the
bragging? Do you feel bad about yourself
and need reinforcement via the internet?
Please sandy give it a rest. I don't
think anyone cares about your wonderful,
eventful (or however you plan to brag
about it today) life, at least I know I
don't. No one is better than anyone for
any reason period. Get over yourself
already.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 11-27-05 20:05pm
Abortion is about not continuing on with
the pregnancy, continuing on with the
pregnancy, whether you keep it or adopt it
or not having children is all about
choice. It is not about name calling or
anything else, just my opinion.
