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is taking the morning after pill concidered abortion?
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Posted: 11-14-05 16:25pm

jlee77 wrote:
i find it interesting that you say this:

" use fertility awareness, where I watch my cycle and know when I ovulate. I also use the "sponge" on my unsafe days. I have done this for 3 years and became pregnant 1 more time,so I trust it."


i'm sorry, i'm going to interject something here. She got pregnant twice on the pills, versus only once on the awareness/sponge method. For her, it is apparently much more reliable than the pills, so it's understandable why she trusts it.

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your "right to bodily autonomy" will never outweigh the right of your unborn child. Never, nor any other woman's. That is far more important than the right to kill your child.


i would like to again stress that this is your opinion, and not the opinion of others, so it's a little presumptuous to say "never". As your own opinion it's fine, but please don't dictate this as if it is the final truth of the matter, for it is not. I know you don't believe that, but try and remember there are people on the other side of the fence on this issue.
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Posted: 11-14-05 18:01pm

My monogamous partner whom I live with has a latex allergy, and the female condom irritated my cervix.Besides that the today sponge is statistically more effective than a condom. I also track my ovulation, and most women do not know that there are only 5-6 days you can actually become pregnant. 4 days before you ovulate, and 2 days after. The egg dies after 48 hours. I use a fertility monitor computer, so I am not guessing. Sperm can live for 4 days, so I use a sponge 4 days before I ovulate. I also use it for 2 days after. I do have a very non chalant attitude about abortion, because I see it as any other medical procedure. It is a medical procedure and does have some risks, but so do all medical procedures. I do not see a fetus as more important than I am, I see myself as more important. I did have an iud twice and it expelled twice. It expelled the first time 2 weeks after insertion, the second time a year and a half later. I am considering having another try with it , because I really did like it.
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Posted: 11-14-05 19:26pm

Yes it is something I have considered, but I have known 2 women to get pregnant on that. It is also a more dangerous procedure than abortion, as it involves cutting and inserting things in your body etc..More than an abortion enatails. Also I am 23, most doctors do not take me seriously about a tubal ligation.(even though I am in the nursing field.) thats the main reason, but I wanted to mention that even with tubal nothing is 100%
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Posted: 11-14-05 19:43pm

I am in the nursing field, and know that most doctors are hesitant to do it and the reasons why. That does'nt mean I have not tried. I will pay out of my own pocket even, as my ins does'nt cover tubal ligation on someone so young. Doctors believe that women will regret their tubals if they are gievn to them young.
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Posted: 11-14-05 21:56pm

I actually have no problem stating that I live in n.C., and that I work and volunteer in abortion clinics. I actually work and volunteer my services in many clinics, I am on call when needed. I do assist in procedures, and can help with counselling. I know a lot of people use the word selfish a lot, by why is it so negative to think about one's self? After all, if we do not take care of ourselves and our own priorities, who are we to blame when our lives go foul. There is nothing wrong with being selfish and considering your own needs beofre anyone else's. Everyone needs to take care of themselves, and their own best interests.
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Posted: 11-14-05 22:21pm

Thank you again! Perhaps if this information is presented enough times, jle will understand what our point is? We are not saying that an un-implanted zygote is a pregnancy. It's not, because it hasn't implanted. But it' still alive. And you still kill it (sometimes, perhaps even rarely) on birth control.
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Posted: 11-15-05 12:13pm

It only works for the people who believe in it...
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Posted: 11-15-05 12:53pm

But it's proven... You can watch it happen. How can you not believe something that is proven and true and happens daily? Why would you not believe the process that creates the miracle of life?

That's like trying to say 2+2 doesn't equal 4. And I mean normal, positive 2 plus normal positive 2 equals normal positive 4.
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Posted: 11-15-05 12:57pm

Because what one believes doesnt mean all would believe it.. Just like for ex. What catholics believe other religions wouldnt, and what baptistist believe budist wouldnt.. Just my opinion.. Not everyone believes the same thing and that is why there is a debate forum becuase not everyone believes that abortion is or isnt the ans.
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Posted: 11-15-05 13:02pm

But 2+2=4 isn't about belief. I don't care how religious you are, 2 plus 2 still equals 4. It is a fact. It is a fact that sperm fertilize eggs, it is a fact that this happens in the fallopian tube and it is a fact that the egg starts developing before it implants.
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Posted: 11-15-05 13:05pm

rogue123 wrote:
tazzy d wrote:
because what one believes doesnt mean all would believe it.. Just like for ex. What catholics believe other religions wouldnt, and what baptistist believe budist wouldnt.. Just my opinion.. Not everyone believes the same thing and that is why there is a debate forum becuase not everyone believes that abortion is or isnt the ans.
comparing religion to the biological, prove facts of life?


that's what I don't understand either.
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Posted: 11-15-05 15:00pm

Its not comparing religion.. What I am saying is what ones person belief isnt what others believe........ Just like abortion.. One persons belief is that it is an in sane act, another person believes that it is okay, and another peron believes that it might be okay.. All im saying is that one person believes that it starts developing in the tube... And others dont... Others will believe that it doesnt start until it implants.... Point spoken
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Posted: 11-15-05 17:09pm

When conception occurs, the egg starts its long process on the way of possibly becoming a baby. I say "possibly" because up to 35% of all pregnancies are flushed out by a "late" period, or because it did not implant completely. I realize you are all concerned about the z/e/f "baby", whatever we call it, but we as pro choicers are concerned about the woman. At least this is my personal view. I truly do not worry how, why, when, where anyone thinks "life" starts. I wory about the woman and her needs, because her life imo is more important always.
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Posted: 11-15-05 21:00pm

Thank you, that is beautifully spoken. I think the point for me also is that the woman is already born with many years of living behind her, and many ahead of her. As they say for the children born with debilitating diseases: "you cannot miss what you do not have". A down's syndrom child may not miss what he does not have; a baby that is never born never misses anything. The mother could miss a lot, from the consequences of her pregnancy. It's not all flowers and happiness and cuddly adorable bundles of joy with a little bit of stress (but you're not guilty of killing a baby, which must be worse!) like they seem to make it out as.
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Posted: 11-15-05 21:47pm

I enjoy my precious working career, and cannot wait to become the best dentist I can be. My passion is womens health, and dentistry. I want to continue working in clinics for as long as possible. I am also planning on going back to school and becoming a dentist. I am happy for women who want children, because that's their choice..But it is not mine.
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Posted: 11-15-05 23:19pm

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so what if the woman had many years of living. What does that have to do with the mere fact that the baby has a right to life, at least a damn shot at it. No, a baby is not all "flowers and happiness" but neither is anything in life, including this "precious" working career life some woman choose over their own child. I can tell you the love for a child outweighs the hard times. It's obvious pro-choice needs the "easy" way out. "kill the baby....I just started my career"!! "babies...But they cry!!!!!"

that baby deserves a chance at life like the .Mother received when her .Mother gave birth to her.


except that my mom wanted me, that's the difference.
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Posted: 11-15-05 23:24pm

jlee77 wrote:
of course. What was I thinking? That you were actually proud of the person/it/thing you are? Silly me, what in the world was I on when I wrote that? Lol


being proud of it doesn't mean she has to tell you. Also, just because someone says that there are bad points to christianity doesn't mean they disregard the whole thing, nor will they instantly refute any information given by christianity. I just take it all with a dose of sensibilities. And also, posting something from a religious site was perhaps also meant to gain credibility from you. Certainly if the christians said it, it must be right!
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Posted: 11-16-05 10:17am

No, it wasn't. I actually meant that. Did it make the site seem more credible to you, because it was from a christian site? It still had valid info, I really liked it myself.
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Posted: 11-16-05 18:40pm

eiri wrote:
no, it wasn't. I actually meant that. Did it make the site seem more credible to you, because it was from a christian site? It still had valid info, I really liked it myself.


it's just that if a pro-lifer were to post a christain site....Alot of people would have problems with it....Right?
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Posted: 11-16-05 20:48pm

vanessalouanne wrote:
the point of it would be that sperm can live up to 10 days and could fertilize the egg later on.

this is absolutely false. Sperm can only survive for up to 72 hours in a woman's reproductive tract.
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