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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-14-05 16:25pm
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| jlee77
wrote: | i find it interesting that
you say this:
" use fertility awareness, where I watch
my cycle and know when I ovulate. I also
use the "sponge" on my unsafe days. I
have done this for 3 years and became
pregnant 1 more time,so I trust it."
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i'm sorry, i'm going to interject
something here. She got pregnant twice on
the pills, versus only once on the
awareness/sponge method. For her, it is
apparently much more reliable than the
pills, so it's understandable why she
trusts it.
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tr> | your "right to
bodily autonomy" will never outweigh the
right of your unborn child. Never, nor
any other woman's. That is far more
important than the right to kill your
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i would like to again stress that this is
your opinion, and not the
opinion of others, so it's a little
presumptuous to say "never". As your own
opinion it's fine, but please don't
dictate this as if it is the final truth
of the matter, for it is not. I know you
don't believe that, but try and remember
there are people on the other side of the
fence on this issue.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-14-05 18:01pm
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My monogamous partner whom I live with has
a latex allergy, and the female condom
irritated my cervix.Besides that the today
sponge is statistically more effective
than a condom. I also track my ovulation,
and most women do not know that there are
only 5-6 days you can actually become
pregnant. 4 days before you ovulate, and
2 days after. The egg dies after 48
hours. I use a fertility monitor
computer, so I am not guessing. Sperm can
live for 4 days, so I use a sponge 4 days
before I ovulate. I also use it for 2
days after. I do have a very non
chalant attitude about abortion, because I
see it as any other medical procedure. It
is a medical procedure and does have some
risks, but so do all medical procedures.
I do not see a fetus as more important
than I am, I see myself as more important.
I did have an iud twice and it expelled
twice. It expelled the first time 2 weeks
after insertion, the second time a year
and a half later. I am considering having
another try with it , because I really did
like it.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-14-05 19:26pm
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Yes it is something I have considered, but
I have known 2 women to get pregnant on
that. It is also a more dangerous
procedure than abortion, as it involves
cutting and inserting things in your body
etc..More than an abortion enatails. Also
I am 23, most doctors do not take me
seriously about a tubal ligation.(even
though I am in the nursing field.) thats
the main reason, but I wanted to mention
that even with tubal nothing is 100%
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-14-05 19:43pm
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I am in the nursing field, and know that
most doctors are hesitant to do it and the
reasons why. That does'nt mean I have not
tried. I will pay out of my own pocket
even, as my ins does'nt cover tubal
ligation on someone so young. Doctors
believe that women will regret their
tubals if they are gievn to them young.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-14-05 21:56pm
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I actually have no problem stating that I
live in n.C., and that I work and
volunteer in abortion clinics. I actually
work and volunteer my services in many
clinics, I am on call when needed. I do
assist in procedures, and can help with
counselling. I know a lot of people use
the word selfish a lot, by why is it so
negative to think about one's self? After
all, if we do not take care of ourselves
and our own priorities, who are we to
blame when our lives go foul. There is
nothing wrong with being selfish and
considering your own needs beofre anyone
else's. Everyone needs to take care of
themselves, and their own best interests.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-14-05 22:21pm
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Thank you again! Perhaps if this
information is presented enough times, jle
will understand what our point is? We are
not saying that an un-implanted zygote is
a pregnancy. It's not, because it hasn't
implanted. But it' still alive. And you
still kill it (sometimes, perhaps even
rarely) on birth control.
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Tazzy D
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Posted: 11-15-05 12:13pm
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It only works for the people who believe
in it...
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-15-05 12:53pm
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But it's proven... You can watch it
happen. How can you not believe something
that is proven and true and happens daily?
Why would you not believe the process
that creates the miracle of life?
That's like trying to say 2+2 doesn't
equal 4. And I mean normal, positive 2
plus normal positive 2 equals normal
positive 4.
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Tazzy D
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Posted: 11-15-05 12:57pm
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Because what one believes doesnt mean all
would believe it.. Just like for ex.
What catholics believe other religions
wouldnt, and what baptistist believe
budist wouldnt.. Just my opinion.. Not
everyone believes the same thing and that
is why there is a debate forum becuase not
everyone believes that abortion is or isnt
the ans.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-15-05 13:02pm
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But 2+2=4 isn't about belief. I don't
care how religious you are, 2 plus 2 still
equals 4. It is a fact. It is a fact
that sperm fertilize eggs, it is a fact
that this happens in the fallopian tube
and it is a fact that the egg starts
developing before it implants.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-15-05 13:05pm
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| rogue123
wrote: | | tazzy d
wrote: | | because what one believes
doesnt mean all would believe it.. Just
like for ex. What catholics believe
other religions wouldnt, and what
baptistist believe budist wouldnt..
Just my opinion.. Not everyone believes
the same thing and that is why there is a
debate forum becuase not everyone believes
that abortion is or isnt the
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comparing religion to the
biological, prove facts of
life? |
that's what I don't understand either.
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Tazzy D
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Posted: 11-15-05 15:00pm
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Its not comparing religion.. What I am
saying is what ones person belief isnt
what others believe........ Just like
abortion.. One persons belief is that it
is an in sane act, another person believes
that it is okay, and another peron
believes that it might be okay.. All im
saying is that one person believes that it
starts developing in the tube... And
others dont... Others will believe that
it doesnt start until it implants....
Point spoken
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-15-05 17:09pm
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When conception occurs, the egg starts its
long process on the way of possibly
becoming a baby. I say "possibly" because
up to 35% of all pregnancies are flushed
out by a "late" period, or because it did
not implant completely. I realize you are
all concerned about the z/e/f "baby",
whatever we call it, but we as pro
choicers are concerned about the woman.
At least this is my personal view. I
truly do not worry how, why, when, where
anyone thinks "life" starts. I wory
about the woman and her needs, because her
life imo is more important always.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-15-05 21:00pm
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Thank you, that is beautifully spoken. I
think the point for me also is that the
woman is already born with many years of
living behind her, and many ahead of her.
As they say for the children born with
debilitating diseases: "you cannot miss
what you do not have". A down's syndrom
child may not miss what he does not have;
a baby that is never born never misses
anything. The mother could miss a lot,
from the consequences of her pregnancy.
It's not all flowers and happiness and
cuddly adorable bundles of joy with a
little bit of stress (but you're not
guilty of killing a baby, which must be
worse!) like they seem to make it out as.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-15-05 21:47pm
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I enjoy my precious working career, and
cannot wait to become the best dentist I
can be. My passion is womens health, and
dentistry. I want to continue working in
clinics for as long as possible. I am
also planning on going back to school and
becoming a dentist. I am happy for women
who want children, because that's their
choice..But it is not mine.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-15-05 23:19pm
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| jlee77
wrote: | so what if the woman had
many years of living. What does that
have to do with the mere fact that the
baby has a right to life, at least a damn
shot at it. No, a baby is not all
"flowers and happiness" but neither is
anything in life, including this
"precious" working career life some woman
choose over their own child. I can tell
you the love for a child outweighs the
hard times. It's obvious pro-choice
needs the "easy" way out. "kill the
baby....I just started my career"!!
"babies...But they cry!!!!!"
that baby deserves a chance at life like
the .Mother received when her .Mother gave
birth to her. |
except that my mom wanted me, that's the
difference.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-15-05 23:24pm
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| jlee77
wrote: | | of course. What was I
thinking? That you were actually proud
of the person/it/thing you are? Silly
me, what in the world was I on when I
wrote that?
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being proud of it doesn't mean she has to
tell you. Also, just because someone
says that there are bad points to
christianity doesn't mean they disregard
the whole thing, nor will they instantly
refute any information given by
christianity. I just take it all with a
dose of sensibilities. And also, posting
something from a religious site was
perhaps also meant to gain credibility
from you. Certainly if the christians
said it, it must be right!
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-16-05 10:17am
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No, it wasn't. I actually meant that.
Did it make the site seem more credible to
you, because it was from a christian site?
It still had valid info, I really liked
it myself.
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Posted: 11-16-05 18:40pm
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| eiri
wrote: | | no, it wasn't. I actually
meant that. Did it make the site seem
more credible to you, because it was from
a christian site? It still had valid
info, I really liked it
myself. |
it's just that if a pro-lifer were to post
a christain site....Alot of people would
have problems with it....Right?
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Posted: 11-16-05 20:48pm
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| vanessalouanne
wrote: | | the point of it would be
that sperm can live up to 10 days and
could fertilize the egg later
on. |
this is absolutely false. Sperm can
only survive for up to 72 hours in a
woman's reproductive tract.
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