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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-18-05 22:36pm
carifairy
wrote:
the only "magical" area of
fetal development is the point at which a
fetus becomes viable. Ah yes, the point
of viability. That means it can live
outside of its mothers womb, albeit with
some medical intervention, but outside of
a womans body. The point of viability is
not a set number for all, but instead it
truly varies given different
circumstances. The point of viability is
considered between 24-28 weeks. There
are very few babies born at 24 weeks who
survive, but some do. Very few abortions
take place at 24-28 weeks unless dire
circumstances have happened. The womans
health may be in danger, or perhaps her
child has a deformity that was not picked
up sooner... Even so, very few
abortions, even ones for medical reasons,
take place so late. Most abortions,
inlcuding medical reasons, take place
before or during the 21 week. I also
lurk at a board and offer support for
women who do terminate for medical
reasons, and most do it as early as
possible!
but abortions .D.O take place after 24
weeks. Their called "partial birth" and
i'm sure you have heard of such. If you
yourself or even any pro-choice do not
recognize this is barbaric, then i'm sorry
but there is something loose up in ye
head. And they are also done for
non-medical reasons.
I do feel sorry for woman that have to
abort due to medical reasons. See,
aborting for such a reason is an exception
to me. My opinion depends on the given
situation but it's not like a sick woman
is aborting for selfish reasons, unless of
course you consider it selfish to save her
own life. I'm not sure I would take my
child's life to save my own, I probably
wouldn't, but I do semi-understand why
some would. But with no medical condition
present, there is no excuse for abortion.
Not in my eyes.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-18-05 22:41pm
sandyallen
wrote:
good points carifairy. No
one should be judged for having an
abortion, their are many times when the
abortion is necessary for medical reasons,
they are not going to set their and
explain why they did it as it is really
none of peoples business therefore they
should not be labeled as a "baby killer"
or judged. I have said it before they
are not walking in the other persons shoes
that are bleeding to death or have a dead
fetus in them or any other reason they
should not be judged, if anyone is
judging, it should be those, the one's
that are judging are the one's that should
be judged. Some feel bad enough about
the abortion, it is just that things
happen that we do not have any control
over.
i will not judge a woman having an
abortion for medical reasons. I will
judge a woman aborting because she is "not
ready". You have all seen me write this
before but I thought I would refresh your
memories!
Why should they not be labeled as a baby
killer? They had their baby terminated.
Is that not killed? I realize this term
is icky for those woman but too damn bad,
they killed their baby. When a woman
feels bad for an abortion, it's because
she should. That is normal human decent
morals. It's the woman that don't bat an
eye at it. I can't understand that. It
still and alway will baffle the hell out
of me. To kill your very own child.
Carifairy, would you mind telling me how
far along you were for your abortions?
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-18-05 23:46pm
Don't mind at all. One was 7.5 weeks (i
was on the pill) one was 6 weeks(iud
pregnancies suck) and the other one was at
6 weeks too..
Sure they are killing babies, if you want
to be so rude about it. For a woman who
has just terminated a child with a lethal
deformity it causes great emotional harm,
which they do not deserve.
Oh yeah.. I work in a clinic, I am in
the nursing field. I deal sometimes with
women who face severe medical reasons for
terminating.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-19-05 00:12am
sunshine424
wrote:
carifairy
wrote:
the only "magical" area of
fetal development is the point at which a
fetus becomes viable. Ah yes, the point
of viability. That means it can live
outside of its mothers womb, albeit with
some medical intervention, but outside of
a womans body. The point of viability
is not a set number for all, but instead
it truly varies given different
circumstances. The point of viability
is considered between 24-28 weeks.
There are very few babies born at 24 weeks
who survive, but some do. Very few
abortions take place at 24-28 weeks unless
dire circumstances have happened. The
womans health may be in danger, or perhaps
her child has a deformity that was not
picked up sooner... Even so, very few
abortions, even ones for medical reasons,
take place so late. Most abortions,
inlcuding medical reasons, take place
before or during the 21 week. I also
lurk at a board and offer support for
women who do terminate for medical
reasons, and most do it as early as
possible!
but abortions .D.O take place after 24
weeks. Their called "partial birth" and
i'm sure you have heard of such. If you
yourself or even any pro-choice do not
recognize this is barbaric, then i'm sorry
but there is something loose up in ye
head. And they are also done for
non-medical reasons.
I do feel sorry for woman that have to
abort due to medical reasons. See,
aborting for such a reason is an exception
to me. My opinion depends on the given
situation but it's not like a sick woman
is aborting for selfish reasons, unless of
course you consider it selfish to save her
own life. I'm not sure I would take my
child's life to save my own, I probably
wouldn't, but I do semi-understand why
some would. But with no medical
condition present, there is no excuse for
abortion. Not in my
eyes.
i have of course heard of partial birth
abortions, and I think they're rather
horrid, since babies at that stage can
survive. However, the majoity of
abortions to my knowledge are not
performed that late in the pregnancy
because of the dangers and risks involved,
and also because they are absolutely
atrocious.
I would no take my born-child's life to
save my own, I would die for them. An
undeveloped fetus is different, for resons
i've stated often enough.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-19-05 00:24am
sunshine424
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri:
it does? Tell me how a 15 week old
fetus attends classes or has a job or
contributes to society. Tell me
how it loves a man or a woman, tell me how
a 15 week old fetus eats dinner with it's
friends and makes dirty jokes. It
doesn't. It has not lived, nor has
it expereinced. That all
happens once it is born. And
somewhere in the very fuzzy range of 15-20
weeks it becomes capable of doing this.
Day by day its body develops until it
eventually does hit a point where it is
viable. There comes a time when
it's too late to say "oops I don't want
this kid". You've already let it
grow into a viable human being.
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sunshine424:
i meant physical development. Not
socially, mentally or emotionally.
That is all learned from society, not from
conception. So what if it has not
experienced. Let me ask you
something then. Take a 30 year old
woman who is severly disabled and has been
since she was born and functions slightly
better than someone who has been declared
in a vegatative state, and has not
"experienced" because of her disability.
She never dated, never heard or
understood a dirty joke, (you catch my
drift). That means she must be no
better than that fetus then because she
hasn't experienced. Therefore you
must certainly think the fetus rules here
or they are at least equals. And
there is the flaw in your argument.
It's too late to say "oops I don't want
this kid" as soon as you become pregnant.
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eiri:
you do then place a value on life then.
So don't tell me it's strange or
barbaric to do so in relation to the zef
and the woman, because you do it with
fully grown living breathing humans who
can think, and have emotions and lives and
friends and families.
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sunshine424:
the only life I place a higher value on
over others are those that I love.
And this is natural. Anyone would
save their child, .Mother, .Father,
etc...Over a complete stranger. (at
least I would hope so, human nature).
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eiri:
i really do understand that this makes
absolutely no sense to you, but if you
keep calling me barbaric and anti-god and
a killer, then i'm going to keep
attempting to explain it to you.
Maybe someday you'll at least understand,
even if you still don't condone
it.
sunshine424:
i'm not per say calling .Y.O.U those
things, I use "you" as a general term when
i'm stating my opinion. Yes, I
think the majority of woman who get
abortions are killers. Because they
have killed/terminated their child.
If you want to get technical and say the
abortionist killed the baby, then you can
call the woman an accessory to the fact.
( I threw this in there because I can
just hear the ridiculous comments already
by some "unfortunates" here. Lol)
***(notice I responded in the box too)
;o)
sorry, I had to separate the quotes out
and start anew, everyone's reading this
anyway so they know what the heck we're
talking about lol. Okay... So,
first of... A zef in the womb does go
through the same developmental stages the
woman did... When she was a fetus.
I think I just don't understand your
analogy, your comparison between the two.
To me they are totally unrelated
things.
As for the 30 year old disabled woman...
If she is unable to interact with
anyone, and people just feed her through
tubes and what not (i'm thinking terry
schivo here?) then yes, I do believe she
is at the level of worthiness of the
fetus. The only difference here is
that someone wanted her.
Because someone wanted her, and loved her,
that allowed her to be born. It's
want. Her mother wanted her, and so
she came to be. Is she nothing much
more than a vegetable? Yes, but
somebody wanted her, and that's that.
Yes, wanting to have the baby makes it
worthy.
I would never get all dumb and say that
"the abortionist killed the baby!" because
it was a contract between the pregnant
woman and the doctor. I'd never say
that because "you killed my baby!" is what
a lot of pro-lifes say when they get
abortions and feel guilty afterwards.
They slough off the blame, which is
saddening.
Women who get abortions because they want
to view it as a necessary death in order
for the best. That's why some don't
feel guilty (although you're right some
are just disguting having 9 abortions!!),
because it was a necessary thing they had
to do. Maybe it just wasn't feasable
to cary to term and give the child up for
adoption. Whatever the reasons.
But in the end... The point is that
you do place a value on life. You
vaue your loved ones above others, which
is as you said completely natural.
Perhaps some women who abort do not love
the zef, and thus view their live above
it?
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-19-05 00:26am
Partial birth abortion does not exist!
Any abortion after 24 weeks is a labor and
delivery abortion. They induce labor, and
give the fetus an injection of digoxin in
the heart to stop it from beating. Other
aboritons are d&e. Dialtion and
extraction. They use forceps and suction,
but all of the contents of the uterus stay
inside the uterus, it is not "partially
born" if you do not believe me check out
www.Drtiller.Com it
states how a late term abortion is done.
The deliver a stillborn baby after the
shot of digoxin, and after labor starts.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-19-05 00:27am
Oh yeah a woman who is aborting for
medical reasons can have a l&d
delivery even if they are 18 weeks.
Medical abortions for fetal anomaly
usually have this happen, because it helps
with the healing process to hold their
baby intact.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-19-05 00:48am
carifairy
wrote:
oh yeah a woman who is
aborting for medical reasons can have a
l&d delivery even if they are 18
weeks. Medical abortions for fetal
anomaly usually have this happen, because
it helps with the healing process to hold
their baby
intact.
that's sweet... It would be so
heartbreaking to discover my baby would be
born (or maybe not even make it to birth)
all deformed and such. I would definately
like holding that one time, before letting
go.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-19-05 01:26am
Yeah it is. These women truly do see the
fetus as "their baby", so they want to
hold it and say goodbye. There are some
women who are so heartbroken that they
cannot bear a labor and delivery abortion,
so they opt for a d&e abortion.
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Tazzy D
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Posted: 11-19-05 12:10pm
In my opinion no one would understand this
unless you have gone through it
yourself... I have also gone through this
procedure and I did opt for a d&c..
It is not easy at all, ans until you know
what it feels like to carry a baby all of
that time, and then be told that you are
no longer pregnant and you did want this
baby.. You will never understand..
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-19-05 22:29pm
carifairy
wrote:
partial birth abortion does
not exist! Any abortion after 24 weeks
is a labor and delivery abortion. They
induce labor, and give the fetus an
injection of digoxin in the heart to stop
it from beating. Other aboritons are
d&e. Dialtion and extraction. They
use forceps and suction, but all of the
contents of the uterus stay inside the
uterus, it is not "partially born" if you
do not believe me check out www.Drtiller.Com it
states how a late term abortion is done.
The deliver a stillborn baby after the
shot of digoxin, and after labor
starts.
...To just name one. There are a trillion
different sites regarding it. "partial
birth abortion" is not the medical term,
dilation and extraction is ( d&x ).
Description:
intact d&x surgery
after preliminary procedures over a period
of 2-3 days, to gradually dilate the
cervix, and sometimes the administering of
hormones to induce the process of labor,
the doctor uses an ultrasound and forceps
to take hold of the fetus' leg. The fetus
is turned to a breech position, if
necessary, and the doctor pulls one or
both legs out of the birth canal, causing
what is commonly known as the
'partial-birth' of the fetus. The doctor
subsequently births the rest of the baby,
usually without the aid of forceps,
leaving only the head still inside the
birth canal. With sufficient force, the
doctor inserts scissors into the base of
the back of the skull. The doctor spreads
the scissors to widen the opening, and
then inserts a suction catheter. The
brain tissue is removed, killing the
fetus, and allowing the rest of the fetus
to pass easily.
The collapsing of the brain is the major
reason cited by pro-choice advocates who
say that physical deformities of the
fetus' head, such as hydrocephalus, may
make the procedure medically necessary for
the safety of the mother. The pro-life
opponents say that caesarean section or
draining the fetus' excess cerebrospinal
fluid before birth can permit a safe live
birth even in such cases.
i just can't get over this. Woman
actually do obtain these for non-medical
reasons. Not often but even once a year
is too much. Anybody that would claim
this ok because it's a "woman's right to
choose" is just heartless and must not
feel anything emotion-wise. Ugh, it
sickens me. And in my eyes, this
procedure should never be allowed, even in
medical instances. There are several
other ways to abort when it comes to
medical reasons. This is the most
unacceptable legal procedure imaginable.
:o(
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-19-05 22:31pm
carifairy
wrote:
partial birth abortion does
not exist! Any abortion after 24 weeks
is a labor and delivery abortion. They
induce labor, and give the fetus an
injection of digoxin in the heart to stop
it from beating. Other aboritons are
d&e. Dialtion and extraction.
They use forceps and suction, but all of
the contents of the uterus stay inside the
uterus, it is not "partially born" if you
do not believe me check out www.Drtiller.Com it
states how a late term abortion is done.
The deliver a stillborn baby after the
shot of digoxin, and after labor
starts.
tell me your kidding that your referencing
a site with Dr. Tiller!! He's
currently being accused of many terrible
things. I wouild not note this edit as
credible. Come on....Your smarter than
that cari!
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-19-05 22:34pm
Oh and by the way, tiller is going to hell
w/o a doubt.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-20-05 01:57am
Okay , check out www.Gynpages.Com it
has lists of abortion clinics in all
states. It explains abortion procedures,
and how they are done. It also has a few
websites for doctors specializing in late
term abortion. They are done by labor and
delivery, labor is induced, and the baby
is given a shot of digoxin in its heart to
stop it. That is not "partial birth
abortion".
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-20-05 13:07pm
sunshine424
wrote:
carifairy
wrote:
partial birth abortion does
not exist! Any abortion after 24 weeks
is a labor and delivery abortion. They
induce labor, and give the fetus an
injection of digoxin in the heart to stop
it from beating. Other aboritons are
d&e. Dialtion and extraction.
They use forceps and suction, but all of
the contents of the uterus stay inside the
uterus, it is not "partially born" if you
do not believe me check out www.Drtiller.Com it
states how a late term abortion is done.
The deliver a stillborn baby after the
shot of digoxin, and after labor
starts.
...To just name one. There are a
trillion different sites regarding it.
"partial birth abortion" is not the
medical term, dilation and extraction is (
d&x ).
Description:
intact d&x surgery
after preliminary procedures over a period
of 2-3 days, to gradually dilate the
cervix, and sometimes the administering of
hormones to induce the process of labor,
the doctor uses an ultrasound and forceps
to take hold of the fetus' leg. The
fetus is turned to a breech position, if
necessary, and the doctor pulls one or
both legs out of the birth canal, causing
what is commonly known as the
'partial-birth' of the fetus. The doctor
subsequently births the rest of the baby,
usually without the aid of forceps,
leaving only the head still inside the
birth canal. With sufficient force, the
doctor inserts scissors into the base of
the back of the skull. The doctor
spreads the scissors to widen the opening,
and then inserts a suction catheter. The
brain tissue is removed, killing the
fetus, and allowing the rest of the fetus
to pass easily.
The collapsing of the brain is the major
reason cited by pro-choice advocates who
say that physical deformities of the
fetus' head, such as hydrocephalus, may
make the procedure medically necessary for
the safety of the mother. The pro-life
opponents say that caesarean section or
draining the fetus' excess cerebrospinal
fluid before birth can permit a safe live
birth even in such cases.
i just can't get over this. Woman
actually do obtain these for non-medical
reasons. Not often but even once a year
is too much. Anybody that would claim
this ok because it's a "woman's right to
choose" is just heartless and must not
feel anything emotion-wise. Ugh, it
sickens me. And in my eyes, this
procedure should never be allowed, even in
medical instances. There are several
other ways to abort when it comes to
medical reasons. This is the most
unacceptable legal procedure imaginable.
:o(
"oh my god! I'm going to hemmoage to
death if theis baby stays inside of me,
doctor!"
"i'm sorry ma'am, but sunshine424 says
that an abortion at this stage in your
pregnancy is horrible and barbaric and
sinful. So I guess you'll just have to
die. Bye!"
what other way to abort is there, at that
stage? Cesarian section? That's a full
blown operation, and is far more dangerous
because of the risks of anathesia.
Also, how can a baby be alive without any
cerebral-spinal fluid?
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-20-05 18:18pm
Intact dilation and extraction is very
rarely used, and it is used if the woman
is labor and delivery aborting, but the
stress is too much!
Non-intact d&e is widely used, there
is no actual reason why inatct d&e
needs to be used. I have helped with a
d&e procedure, and all of the contens
of the uterus are kept inside, and
suctioned out. The baby is dismembered
with forceps, and then suctioned out.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 11-20-05 19:16pm
Cairyfairy, this is why I do not like
labeling people that have had an abortion
as "baby killers" because realitically it
is not a baby until birth plus you are
judging someone that you may not even know
and the person that is judging does not
know the whole story and does not want to
tell her that it was medically neccesary.
I am a nurse and I have assisted with
abortions also and I dc'd 2 this week that
did not really want them even after they
signed for it to be done because I always
communicate with my patients.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-20-05 21:39pm
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
carifairy
wrote:
partial birth abortion does
not exist! Any abortion after 24 weeks
is a labor and delivery abortion. They
induce labor, and give the fetus an
injection of digoxin in the heart to stop
it from beating. Other aboritons are
d&e. Dialtion and extraction.
They use forceps and suction, but all of
the contents of the uterus stay inside the
uterus, it is not "partially born" if you
do not believe me check out www.Drtiller.Com it
states how a late term abortion is done.
The deliver a stillborn baby after the
shot of digoxin, and after labor
starts.
...To just name one. There are a
trillion different sites regarding it.
"partial birth abortion" is not the
medical term, dilation and extraction is (
d&x ).
Description:
intact d&x surgery
after preliminary procedures over a period
of 2-3 days, to gradually dilate the
cervix, and sometimes the administering of
hormones to induce the process of labor,
the doctor uses an ultrasound and forceps
to take hold of the fetus' leg. The
fetus is turned to a breech position, if
necessary, and the doctor pulls one or
both legs out of the birth canal, causing
what is commonly known as the
'partial-birth' of the fetus. The
doctor subsequently births the rest of the
baby, usually without the aid of forceps,
leaving only the head still inside the
birth canal. With sufficient force, the
doctor inserts scissors into the base of
the back of the skull. The doctor
spreads the scissors to widen the opening,
and then inserts a suction catheter.
The brain tissue is removed, killing the
fetus, and allowing the rest of the fetus
to pass easily.
The collapsing of the brain is the major
reason cited by pro-choice advocates who
say that physical deformities of the
fetus' head, such as hydrocephalus, may
make the procedure medically necessary for
the safety of the mother. The pro-life
opponents say that caesarean section or
draining the fetus' excess cerebrospinal
fluid before birth can permit a safe live
birth even in such cases.
i just can't get over this. Woman
actually do obtain these for non-medical
reasons. Not often but even once a year
is too much. Anybody that would claim
this ok because it's a "woman's right to
choose" is just heartless and must not
feel anything emotion-wise. Ugh, it
sickens me. And in my eyes, this
procedure should never be allowed, even in
medical instances. There are several
other ways to abort when it comes to
medical reasons. This is the most
unacceptable legal procedure imaginable.
:o(
"oh my god! I'm going to hemmoage to
death if theis baby stays inside of me,
doctor!"
"i'm sorry ma'am, but sunshine424 says
that an abortion at this stage in your
pregnancy is horrible and barbaric and
sinful. So I guess you'll just have to
die. Bye!"
what other way to abort is there, at that
stage? Cesarian section? That's a full
blown operation, and is far more dangerous
because of the risks of anathesia.
Also, how can a baby be alive without any
cerebral-spinal
fluid?
i can do w/o the sarcasm, thank you.
I've already said before that for medical
reasons I see exceptions to abortion. I
don't like it but I understand it. And
for the record, I would much rather have a
c-section and risk myself than deliver
half the body and stick a knife into the
back of it's head to suck out the brain in
order to deliver the baby. And this isn't
barbaric? You tell me what it is then
eiri.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-20-05 21:44pm
carifairy
wrote:
intact dilation and
extraction is very rarely used, and it is
used if the woman is labor and delivery
aborting, but the stress is too much!
Non-intact d&e is widely used, there
is no actual reason why inatct d&e
needs to be used. I have helped with a
d&e procedure, and all of the contens
of the uterus are kept inside, and
suctioned out. The baby is dismembered
with forceps, and then suctioned
out.
rarely....So what? It still is used.
Tiller performs illegal abortions all the
time, and he is being closely watched, and
with any luck they will chop his dirty
hands off and throw him in prison for at
the very least, a very long time. If not,
i'm content with him rotting in hell.
"the baby is dismembered withforceps and
suctioned out." is this supposed to be
"better"? Good god up above.
Again....With d&x, the baby is
delivered halfway and then it's head is
severed with scissors to finish the
procedure off. Any doctor doing this is a
real piece of work.
I have a question for you. How in the
world do you get up in the morning and
look at yourself in the mirror knowing
that you assist in dismembering innocent
babies (don't say it's not a baby at this
point considering pc argues it is because
it is viable)??? You can honestly say
this is no big deal? God help you.
Something help you....What your doing is
terrible.
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sunshine424
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 397 Location: New York
Posted: 11-20-05 21:49pm
sandyallen
wrote:
cairyfairy, this is why I do
not like labeling people that have had an
abortion as "baby killers" because
realitically it is not a baby until birth
plus you are judging someone that you may
not even know and the person that is
judging does not know the whole story and
does not want to tell her that it was
medically neccesary. I am a nurse and
I have assisted with abortions also and I
dc'd 2 this week that did not really want
them even after they signed for it to be
done because I always communicate with my
patients.
yes, it is a baby. A human includes
babies and it is human. There is no
"whole story" with abortion. Young teens
cannot keep their legs together long
enough to put a condom on. Geez. A
woman doesn't dare ruin her "career".
Money is the driving factor there.
Pathetic selfish edit
these patients did not want the abortions
but had them anyways. You communicate
with them? Then why didn't you tell them
they should not have the abortion done?
I just can't believe you woman wake up and
are able to look at yourselves and feel
what your doing is ok. Ugh.
