is taking the morning after pill concidered abortion?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-20-05 23:02pm
sunshine424
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eiri
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sunshine424
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carifairy
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partial birth abortion does
not exist! Any abortion after 24
weeks is a labor and delivery abortion.
They induce labor, and give the fetus an
injection of digoxin in the heart to stop
it from beating. Other aboritons are
d&e. Dialtion and extraction.
They use forceps and suction, but all of
the contents of the uterus stay inside the
uterus, it is not "partially born" if you
do not believe me check out www.Drtiller.Com it
states how a late term abortion is done.
The deliver a stillborn baby after the
shot of digoxin, and after labor
starts.
...To just name one. There are a
trillion different sites regarding it.
"partial birth abortion" is not the
medical term, dilation and extraction is (
d&x ).
Description:
intact d&x surgery
after preliminary procedures over a period
of 2-3 days, to gradually dilate the
cervix, and sometimes the administering of
hormones to induce the process of labor,
the doctor uses an ultrasound and forceps
to take hold of the fetus' leg. The
fetus is turned to a breech position, if
necessary, and the doctor pulls one or
both legs out of the birth canal, causing
what is commonly known as the
'partial-birth' of the fetus. The
doctor subsequently births the rest of the
baby, usually without the aid of forceps,
leaving only the head still inside the
birth canal. With sufficient force,
the doctor inserts scissors into the base
of the back of the skull. The doctor
spreads the scissors to widen the opening,
and then inserts a suction catheter.
The brain tissue is removed, killing the
fetus, and allowing the rest of the fetus
to pass easily.
The collapsing of the brain is the major
reason cited by pro-choice advocates who
say that physical deformities of the
fetus' head, such as hydrocephalus, may
make the procedure medically necessary for
the safety of the mother. The pro-life
opponents say that caesarean section or
draining the fetus' excess cerebrospinal
fluid before birth can permit a safe live
birth even in such cases.
i just can't get over this. Woman
actually do obtain these for non-medical
reasons. Not often but even once a
year is too much. Anybody that would
claim this ok because it's a "woman's
right to choose" is just heartless and
must not feel anything emotion-wise.
Ugh, it sickens me. And in my eyes,
this procedure should never be allowed,
even in medical instances. There are
several other ways to abort when it comes
to medical reasons. This is the most
unacceptable legal procedure imaginable.
:o(
"oh my god! I'm going to hemmoage to
death if theis baby stays inside of me,
doctor!"
"i'm sorry ma'am, but sunshine424 says
that an abortion at this stage in your
pregnancy is horrible and barbaric and
sinful. So I guess you'll just have to
die. Bye!"
what other way to abort is there, at that
stage? Cesarian section? That's a
full blown operation, and is far more
dangerous because of the risks of
anathesia.
Also, how can a baby be alive without any
cerebral-spinal
fluid?
i can do w/o the sarcasm, thank you.
I've already said before that for medical
reasons I see exceptions to abortion. I
don't like it but I understand it. And
for the record, I would much rather have a
c-section and risk myself than deliver
half the body and stick a knife into the
back of it's head to suck out the brain in
order to deliver the baby. And this
isn't barbaric? You tell me what it is
then eiri.
how can a baby survive without any
cerebral-spinal fluid? How is sucking
that out any less "barbaric"? You would
be willing to risk your life more than
necessary just to take an unwanted baby
out of your body in one piece? That
doesn't make any sense.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-20-05 23:04pm
sunshine424
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carifairy
wrote:
intact dilation and
extraction is very rarely used, and it is
used if the woman is labor and delivery
aborting, but the stress is too much!
Non-intact d&e is widely used, there
is no actual reason why inatct d&e
needs to be used. I have helped with a
d&e procedure, and all of the contens
of the uterus are kept inside, and
suctioned out. The baby is dismembered
with forceps, and then suctioned
out.
rarely....So what? It still is used.
Tiller performs illegal abortions all the
time, and he is being closely watched, and
with any luck they will chop his dirty
hands off and throw him in prison for at
the very least, a very long time. If
not, i'm content with him rotting in hell.
"the baby is dismembered withforceps and
suctioned out." is this supposed to be
"better"? Good god up above.
Again....With d&x, the baby is
delivered halfway and then it's head is
severed with scissors to finish the
procedure off. Any doctor doing this is
a real piece of work.
I have a question for you. How in the
world do you get up in the morning and
look at yourself in the mirror knowing
that you assist in dismembering innocent
babies (don't say it's not a baby at this
point considering pc argues it is because
it is viable)??? You can honestly say
this is no big deal? God help you.
Something help you....What your doing is
terrible.
i do agree that abortions for non-medical
reasons at this stage are bad, and should
not be done, except in medical cases of
mother-endangerment or fetal
deformity/disease.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-20-05 23:09pm
I believe that as responsible women we
should terminate an unwanted pregnancy
asap. I do not think that it is the best
decision to wait and have an elective
abortion at 20 weeks, but some women do
not have access to clinics in a short
period of time. Some women have to save
up the money, some women have to leave an
abusive relationship, so I cannot take
away their right to abort just because I
think it should be done sooner.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-20-05 23:18pm
Well, I suppose that there should be
considerations for things like that, as
long as it's provable.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-21-05 12:48pm
eiri
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well, I suppose that there
should be considerations for things like
that, as long as it's
provable.
and yet another "consideration" and
another...And another....What is it next?
There is always exceptions with
pro-choice. At least you have some
dignity as pro-choice by admitting a baby
is being killed. Unfortunately, you all
think it's ok to do that. Boy oh boy.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-21-05 12:50pm
carifairy
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i believe that as
responsible women we should terminate an
unwanted pregnancy asap. I do not think
that it is the best decision to wait and
have an elective abortion at 20 weeks, but
some women do not have access to clinics
in a short period of time. Some women
have to save up the money, some women have
to leave an abusive relationship, so I
cannot take away their right to abort just
because I think it should be done
sooner.
oh well. They should have thought of that
before putting a bun in the oven. These
woman are not our responsibilities. If
she cannot afford to kill her baby,
chances are, she is not paying rent,
buying the right foods, etc...You catch
what i'm saying right? Maybe she should
take the money she does have and buy birth
control. I don't know about you, but last
I checked, that was cheaper than an
abortion.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 11-21-05 16:51pm
It is the woman's choice to abort, not
ours we just assist and alot of ours are
medically necessary or court ordered.
Like I said I stopped 2 abortions last
week after the pg females signed the paper
work to have it done, this is why I
communicate w/them to make sure this is
what they want.
Work in er during the weekend, you can see
alot worse, for example the parents get
drunk, drugged or start fighting and take
it out on the kid, baby or fetus, the pg
woman can be bleeding to death, the child
or baby half beaten to death, stabbings,
shootings, and at times they bring their
fighting in the hospital, it is not a
pretty picture there either but it has to
be done.
Being pro-choice does not mean that we are
100% for abortion it means that we are
understanding.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 11-21-05 23:13pm
Court ordered to have an abortion? What?
Please do explain!
It is terrible when parents get drunk and
hurt their child or when parents hurt
their children period. But abortion is
just as bad, if not worse since your
actually killing your child.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-22-05 02:07am
sunshine424
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carifairy
wrote:
i believe that as
responsible women we should terminate an
unwanted pregnancy asap. I do not think
that it is the best decision to wait and
have an elective abortion at 20 weeks, but
some women do not have access to clinics
in a short period of time. Some women
have to save up the money, some women have
to leave an abusive relationship, so I
cannot take away their right to abort just
because I think it should be done
sooner.
oh well. They should have thought of
that before putting a bun in the oven.
These woman are not our responsibilities.
If she cannot afford to kill her baby,
chances are, she is not paying rent,
buying the right foods, etc...You catch
what i'm saying right? Maybe she should
take the money she does have and buy birth
control. I don't know about you, but
last I checked, that was cheaper than an
abortion.
hey, if I needed an abortion I couldn't
pay for it right away... That doesn't
mean i'm a bad person, it means i'm in
college and 500 bucks doesn't just fall of
trees. And pregnancy does occur on birth
control, though thankfully very rarely if
the pills are taken correctly.
I catch what you're saying. You're saying
any woman who gets pregnant and wants an
abortion is a dirty slob with no self
respect, who just pimps herself out to any
man who wants to have sex. That's what
you're saying. And it's wrong. I take
birth control. I attend college, I live
in a house with housemates, and I have
only ever had sex with one guy, my bf.
The woman may not have any money of her
own because her abusive husband takes it
all away. She may be a teenager with no
income who needs an abortion. You didn't
think about that though, did you?
And have I not mentioned that I feel
women's money should be spent on birth
control, not abortions? Yes, I did. But
if she's already pregnant, all the birth
control in the world ain't gonna do her no
good.
And if these women aren't our
responsibilities, then why is the zef
inside their uterus any of yours?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-22-05 02:54am
skar
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i feel that if we want to
lower the need for termination these women
are the concern of all how can we expect
them to continue the pregnancy if they see
out attitude as oh well they have nothing
to do with us?
Think about it if we are willing to help
more then the more women may feel able to
keep their babies.
:wink:
i'd want you to help me pay for my
(hypothetical) abortion, or help me find
adoption parents. I absolutely do not
want nor cannot have a child at this point
in my life. It's nice of you to care, but
I don't want the baby. Now what?
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-22-05 11:52am
What about women who do want to give
birth, or even stay pregnant. I don't
care about all of the support in the
world, I want an abortion. I have money,
I have an above average income, a great
house, but I still do not want to stay
pregnant. Abortion is not just due to
lack of good support, it is due to women
not wanting to stay pregnant. Pregnancy
is not some easy, pefect state of being,
there are many risks.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 11-22-05 11:57am
carifairy
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what about women who do want
to give birth, or even stay pregnant. I
don't care about all of the support in the
world, I want an abortion. I have money,
I have an above average income, a great
house, but I still do not want to stay
pregnant. Abortion is not just due to
lack of good support, it is due to women
not wanting to stay pregnant. Pregnancy
is not some easy, pefect state of being,
there are many
risks.
if you've had 3 abortions and don't want
to be pregnant, then why not get "fixed"??
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-22-05 16:36pm
Exactly becuase they think I don't
"really" want to be fixed. I am only 23,
and am too young to make that decision. I
have found a place many many miles away
that could do it, but the travel would be
so difficult.
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paganangel
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Posted: 11-22-05 22:08pm
carifairy
wrote:
i believe that as
responsible women we should terminate an
unwanted pregnancy asap. I do not think
that it is the best decision to wait and
have an elective abortion at 20 weeks, but
some women do not have access to clinics
in a short period of time. Some women
have to save up the money, some women have
to leave an abusive relationship, so I
cannot take away their right to abort just
because I think it should be done
sooner.
responsibility is owning up to your
actions and not killing your child because
you don't want it. There is nothing
responsible about abortion. It's very
cowardly actually.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-22-05 23:20pm
I would say that it is more "cowardly" to
have a baby just because a few people who
are against abortion do not want you to.
Secondly I admit that I do not want
children, I like them, but my life is
great just the way it is. I believe it
takes a strong woman to know what is right
for her.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 11-22-05 23:55pm
Abortion is being responsible more than
you will ever know, maybe you do not see
it but others do. Just because you can
get pregnant and accidents do happen, it
still does not make you a good mother.
Thank goodness for choice!
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Tazzy D
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Posted: 11-23-05 11:02am
So I guess everytime a "women" makes a
mistake there is an easy way out of
everything "i dont think so".. Ex. You
forget to pay a bill do they forgive the
debt... Nope they add interest or late
penalty fees and etc.. If a "women"
forgets to wear a condom should she be
allowed to get an abortion.. Yes maybe,
but come on 2 and 3 and 4 xxxxxxxxxx...
That is just out right irresponsibilityof
her.. Like I said before it isnt the mans
responsibility to bring the condoms.. It
isnt the mans responsibility to go to the
doctors and get birth control.. It is the
"womens" if the women doesnt want children
then the women need to do something to
further prevent her body from
producing...........
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-23-05 15:19pm
Umm I think that you should not be so mean
towrds women who have had more than 1
abortion. I cannot use hormones....
Paragard iud expelled after 1 week, and
mirena expelled and displaced after 1.5
years. I use fertility awareness and the
today sponge. I have become pregnant 3
times on birth control, I am okay with
this. I have been ovulating since I was
13, when I started my period. I have been
sexually active since I was 17, to my soon
to be exhusband....We divorced because
eventually he began to mistreat me, and I
don't put up with abuse. So in the 6
years that I have been sexually active, I
have only been pregnant 4 times, 3
abortions. I think thats okay. I am
personally happy with that. I took
precautions.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 11-23-05 17:13pm
Good for you cairyfairy, do not put up
with no man's abuse whether it be physical
or mental, you are tooo darn good and too
darn smart for that b/s, I know, I have
been there! That is why I have always
said , no one is walking in the pregnant
woman's shoes and it is not our right to
judge her that is why it is her choice if
she wants to have 2, 3, or 4 abortions as
we do not know the whole story. If
someone else does not want to abort, that
is there choice, as long as they are
happy, I am happy for them.
I get so sick of the saying, will you made
your bed, you lay in it, but I figured out
when the sheets get dirty, you need to
change them.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 11-23-05 17:34pm
That is so true.. I am considering having
another try at having a paragard inserted,
one more try, and if it expells, then i'll
continue fertility awareness. It has been
working so well for me though, but I have
once had an ooops. The mirena all of a
sudden caused severe bleeding patterns,
and I found out through ultrasound that it
had partially expelled and displaced. I
did tolerate the hormones somewhat....
They just caused constant spotting
everyday. I liked it though, it's so
effective.
