paganangel
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Capital Punishment Vs. Abortion
Posted: 08-05-05 12:29pm
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Abortion is the destruction of human life.
Anyone with a brain knows that. How is
that ever a good thing? How can anyone
actually justify it as okay?
Another thing. How can you all that are
pro-choice be anti-death penalty?
I can understand why people are for the
death penatly. I am not but I can
understand it.
On one had you have a knowing adult who
commited a capital offense (usually that
offense is taking another human life) on
the other hand you have a human life that
has just began. Which would you choose
death for the innocent new human life or
the cold blooded murderer?
Death to the innocent and life to the
guilty? Doesn't make a whole lot of
sense.
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paganangel
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Posted: 08-05-05 13:23pm
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It was a question...It wasn't a remark.
What exactly are you wanting proof of?
I'm asking people that are pro-choice but
anti-death penalty to explain why they
feel the way they do. What do I need to
show proof of?
It is not a fallacy to compare the two.
They are both issues of taking life. They
can very well be compared.
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msrosie
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Posted: 08-09-05 07:14am
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My concerns with the death penalty lie in
1. The potential to execute an innocent
person and 2. That it is not applied
equally as to race, economic status, race
of victim etc. I have little sympathy for
those who are guilty who get executed.
The difference between that and abortion,
though - is that the convicted criminal is
not residing in and attached to the body
of another.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 08-09-05 18:51pm
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Well said ms rosie, it is toooo bad that
pro-life are this mis-understood but it is
just the way it seems to be around here
anymore, kind of funny but yet they are
pretty sad to be this way.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 08-10-05 10:05am
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| sandyallen
wrote: | | well said ms rosie, it is
toooo bad that pro-life are this
mis-understood but it is just the way it
seems to be around here anymore, kind of
funny but yet they are pretty sad to be
this way. |
it is really sad to see the hypocrisy of
pro choice,yes we are misunderstood but
you lot are not pro choice = no choice
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Webexplorer83
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Posted: 08-10-05 12:34pm
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The main reason i'm pro-choice is because,
like prohibition, regardless of the law
people are still going to do it. I'd
rather young women visit clinics than
visit some back alley operation and have
it done with a coat hangar.
In cases of rape and incest I can
understand abortion. And quite frankly
some babies are better off never having
lived. Better to die in the womb than
be born to a crackwhore or an abusive
mother.
As for the death penalty, i'm not for it.
A it costs more to put a man to death
than it does to keep him locked up.
And b, death is merciful. Make the mu
rderers spend the rest of their lives in a
cell mulling over what they did.
P.S. I can't believe the word mu rderer
is censored. What kind of board is this?
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paganangel
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Posted: 08-10-05 13:07pm
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So we should make everything legal because
the laws will be broken anyway. Well lets
just make it legal to homicide our
neighbors..Hey it happens anyway so it may
as well be legal right?
Lets make drinking and driving legal to
because so many people do it anyway.
Right...Lets just live in total anarchy.
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Webexplorer83
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Posted: 08-10-05 13:38pm
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No, we shouldn't. But laws based solely
on morality are unnecessary. It's
debateable wether or not there is a victim
in abortion. You say there is, many say
there isn't. It isn't debatable when a
man is shot and killed for his wallet.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 08-10-05 18:50pm
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Webexplorer83, you have a lot of good
points, I must give you credit for most,
the only thing is, to many of the
prisoners or jailers are treated too well
for what they have done, if they are
caught molesting or totally abusing a
child they should be shot on sight, case
closed but oh no, they have more rights
then we do, they should be treated like
the prisoners get treated in that one
place in az. I realize that they have
hung innocent men which is sad and they
still do. Their are times that I feel
that these police feel that they are
afraid to shoot someone in fear of losing
their jobs.
Look @ viet nam alot of our guys came back
dead or so messed up because, they had
baby's in diapers and children handling
guns bigger then they were that were
taught to kill our men and alot of our men
could not kill them because that is how
our men were taught. It had to been
hell.
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SaraAnne
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Posted: 08-12-05 11:41am
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Killing shouldn't be used as birth
control. I agree with wex in that laws
based soley on morality are wrong (like
religious laws...Homosexuality and such
for example-even though I am personally
against that marriage or adoption or
whatever, all of my reasons are moral and
shouldn't be political too). Abortion has
a victim and that victim is the child.
There is a life. 2 weeks it has a heart
beat. It's forming brains and such. I
watched an ultrasound of an abortion and
to say a baby can't feel pain is just pure
ignorance. It doesn't take a rocket
scientist to see that the baby flinched
when the doctor went in there after it.
And if it's that technical a 6 month old
fetus can survive without its mother.
This is not soley morality. Just as
homicide isn't soley morality. As is
suicide. Two people, two souls are
involved in this. I said this in another
post, and was corrected that 5% of all
abortions are for medical, rape and
inscest reasons. So 95 out of 100 babies
are killed because their hussy mom's
didn't strap up their partner? Seems a
little irresponsible if you ask me.
And I know exactly what I said, don't try
to throw this back in my face, I am 19 and
got pregnant unexpectedly, quit my job
because of morning/all day sickness and
don't have a college education.
Thankfully the father and I are getting
married soon, but I do know what i'm
talking about in this situation. And my
father was supposed to be aborted
medically for my grandmothers safety, but
she decided against it. So here I am with
a direct influence in the 5% of medically
requested abortions and the 95% of birth
control abortions. And to me, there's no
excuse to kill an innocent baby. Bottom
line is, we're keeping abortion legal so
women don't have to take responsibility
for their actions. If i'm wrong please
tell me, but I don't see abortion being
the best solution ever.
Sorry this is long, I got carried away :)
I agree with skar, I don't think capital
punishment is right either. Most people I
know feel this way, but don't want to pay
tax dollars to shack them up in prisons
with satellite tv and tennis courts, so
they figure killing them would save
money...But all my opinions on that are
about as lengthy as the ones i've given
and i'll save you all from my rants again.
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SaraAnne
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Posted: 08-12-05 12:07pm
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You my friend probably have the least tact
in approaching someone with a disagreement
that I have ever witnessed.
If I had to guess, you're a 14 year old
boy with no other life than to sit at your
computer and insult people with different
views than yourself. Real grown up.
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Webexplorer83
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Posted: 08-12-05 12:10pm
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I agree totally with sara, actually.
There's nothing that disgusts me more than
a person who isn't willing to take
responsibility for her actions. When
you choose to have sex you choose to take
a risk. Several in fact. It's
still a tricky issue in my mind, though,
and I haven't really decided where I fall
in the pro-choice/pro-life debate. In
some ways I can't help but think some of
those babies are better off aborted.
If a woman wants to abort her child solely
because her guyfriend knocked her up what
kind of mother would she make?
Sounds to me like she's far too
irresponsible to keep the child clothed
and fed, much less provide a quality life
for it. There's nothing sadder than
an unwanted child.
Believe it or not, capital punishment
costs more than life without parole.
Studies have shown that executions
typically cost between 1 and 7 million
bucks. Life imprisonment is only about
$500,000. It's all thanks to a never
ending succession of appeals.
Edit:
can't we keep this an intelligent, mature
discussion? Or is that asking too much
from some of you?
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Webexplorer83
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Posted: 08-12-05 12:20pm
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It takes two to tango. But ultimately
the final decision lies with the woman.
Not that the guy is any less at fault.
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SaraAnne
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Posted: 08-12-05 12:23pm
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Web, I think it is asking too much of some
people. I guess its harder for some
people to make their opinions in a adult
manner without insults. But just because
that comes easy for me I guess doesn't
mean it comes easy for anyone else.
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Runch
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Posted: 08-12-05 13:15pm
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Pc,
you have serious issues, you have nothing
better to say then to call saraanne a
promiscuous person.
I mean what is the point of you posting
here? You have absolutely no valid
statement or even an opinion.
So you should try to control your out
bursts of anger. Which I can only
assume comes from the lack of love and
support in your life.
I have no standing at all on abortion..
But I dont go bashing others opinions
just because I dont agree with them.
And I dont call a pregnant 19 year old
girl who has a man that loves her. Any
names. Thats are just ridiculous to
assume that she is any of those things.
Please for the rest of the people posting
here just get on with your life. And
stop polluting the internet with you
nonsense.
Last edited by Runch on 08-12-05 13:17pm; edited 3 times in total
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Runch
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Posted: 08-12-05 13:27pm
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| pcforme
wrote: | | runchy a$$
wrote: | | i have no standing at all on
abortion |
whatever you say, blue.
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well. What ever that means. You
completly over look the point of this
post. Which I am realizing is what you do
with every post.
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Runch
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Posted: 08-12-05 13:36pm
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| pcforme
wrote: | | runch
wrote: | | you completly over look the
point of this post. |
yup... Just like you and yours ignored
the threat in hers. |
i didnt ignore anything. And this is the
last I will say. I have better things to
do then to waste my time arguing with a
b*tch
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paganangel
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Posted: 08-13-05 01:38am
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| pcforme
wrote: | | saraanne
wrote: | | real grown
up. |
this coming from a promiscuous person
teenager that can't keep her legs
shut. |
suffer suffer suffer troll ;)
you only wish someone besides your daddy
would medical question you!
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paganangel
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Posted: 08-13-05 17:43pm
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| cowboys
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it is really sad to see the hypocrisy of
pro choice,yes we are misunderstood but
you lot are not pro choice = no
choice |
please explain to me how I am not
prochoice (in your opinion)
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