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paganangel

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More "safe" And Legal Abortion Deaths. Posted: 08-05-05 20:40pm


Http://realchoice.Blogspot.Com/< /a> angel dardie, age 22, left two children motherless when she died on august 3, 1982, of disseminated intravascular coagulopathy after a saline abortion performed by youl choie at plymouth general hospital. Angel's mother sued, saying that the abortion was performed negligently. Although she sued for $5 million, she was awarded a settlement of $6000 from choi and $2500 from the hospital. $1744 of this went to the attorney, plus an additional $667 given to him from the settlement for his expenses. $1528 of the settlement was ordered to be used to reimburse for funeral expenses. This left angel's mother and orphans with $4561. No settlement was awarded for pain and suffering, nor was there any settlement for angel's surviving children. Angel is far from the first or last woman in the united states to die from a saline abortion. Quite a few died in new york and california even before roe vs. Wade. They continued to die after roe. Twenty-seven-year-old robin wells, mother of three children ages 6, 4, and 2, went for an abortion under general anesthesia by max gaujean at akron center for reproductive health on july 15, 1981. Robin went into cardiac arrest in the recovery room, and was transferred by ambulance to a hospital. She remained in a coma until her death on august 2, 1981. Both gaujean and the anesthesiologist were independent contractors and did not maintain private practices. The suit filed by robin's survivors alleged that she was overdosed on anesthesia and not properly monitored. It also alleged that staff at akron center for reproductive health failed "to resuscitate her after her condition had been discovered." the case was settled out of court. Documents regarding the death of ingrid l. Thomas, age 28, indicate that her uterus was perforated by kanu virani during an abortion. Ingrid developed acute peritonitis, and died at botsford general hospital augist 1, 1991, several days after the abortion. Twenty-six-year-old yvette poteat had an abortion performed by Dr. Marion d. Dorn jr. At the ladies clinic in charleston, south carolina on july 16, 1985. A lawsuit filed by her survivors says that dorn did not examine the tissue he removed from yvette's uterus, and did not notify yvette that the lab report showed no fetal or placental tissue in the specimen. On july 27, yvette experienced "sudden, sharp, constant lower abdominal pains," and was taken to a hospital by her fiancee. Yvette was admitted to the emergency room, where she informed the doctors about the abortion. She was mistakenly diagnosed as having pelvic inflammatory disease, was given medication, and was discharged after several hours with instructions to seek follow-up care in two days. Throughout july 28, yvette experienced continued pain. She called the hospital but "was instructed not to return but to give the medication a chance to work." early in the morning of july 29, yvette collapsed at home. She was taken by ambulance to the hospital. She went into cardiac arrest due to a ruptured ectopic pregnancy that both dorn and the hospital staff had failed to diagnose, and was pronounced dead 6:15 a.M. The suit against dorn, the clinic, the hospital and hospital doctors won a small $23,000 plaintiff verdict in 1987. This date, july 27, is the sad anniversary of the day two non-women didn't-die from safe-n-legal abortion. I tried to write up these women's stories from the perspective of those who hold that only illegal abortions kill women, but it just doesn't work. These were real, living, breathing women and their families loved them. They had friends, hopes, dreams, and all of that was taken away from them. Those of you who refuse to let that fact enter your minds can go back to chanting "safe-n-legal safe-n-legal safe-n-legal..." those of you who can grasp reality can read on. Eighteen-year-old yvonne corrie mesteth was in the second trimester of pregnancy when she went to Dr. Benjamin munson's office in rapid city, south dakota. Munson performed the abortion and sent yvonne home. She developed infection, kidney failure, and respiratory distress syndrome. She died july 27, 1985. Yvonne was the second of two patients to die of infection after abortions by munson. (the other was linda padfield, who died just short of five months after roe vs. Wade magically made all abortion perfectly safe.) by the way, despite having done such a botch job on linda's abortion that he was prosecuted for homicide, munson was welcomed into the national abortion federation. Isn't it great to know that prochoice groups like that are watching out for women? The other death anniversary the abortion lobby wants to sweep under the rug is that of thirty-two-year-old mary ann dancy. This mother of five went to fleming center in north carolina for an abortion in 1990. The abortion was performed by clarence j. Washington. After mary ann went home, she bled and was taken to halifax memorial hospital. She died that night during emergency surgery from hemorrage due to a lacerated cervix.

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Posted: 08-05-05 23:23pm


You know people pass on from surgeries and procedures everyday, drs are human, they make mistakes just like we do and generally it is just our time to go. I have had 22 surgeries and several procedures. I have had surgeries where they have had to stop my heart, I have even passed on on the table and they have had to bring me back, they have even left sugical supplies in me which they had to go in and take back out, I have had pst surgical staf infection a couple of times. I never complained or sued, I was just happy to be alive and now I am getting ready for aabout 4 more surgeries and 2 are very high risk for me, if it is my time, it is my time. Everyday, when you get in or out of bed, in or out of your car, house, cooking, have an abortion, have a baby, have a procedure or a surgery, you are taking chances.

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Re: More "safe" And Legal Abortion Deaths.
Posted: 08-06-05 01:06am

pcforme wrote:

maybe next time you can try to find a current case which involves current methods of abortion, huh?

so these people don't matter because the abortion methods aren't the same as they were a few years back?

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Posted: 08-06-05 01:19am

pcforme wrote:

btw, pa, if I wanted to read abo, I would register there. @@

apparently you do read it or you wouldn't know this was over there. Doesn't take a genious to figure that one out. Lol.

paganangel

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Posted: 08-06-05 09:18am


Sure ya did. Lol.

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Posted: 08-06-05 11:11am


Sure. I believe him about as much as I believe you..Lol... What's asking steen gonna prove? I dont' even know any boards he is on becaue I dont' follow him around..Lol.

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Posted: 08-07-05 14:45pm


What is the abo board? Please explain. Sorry I thought you were talking about aim and just spelling it wrong or something...But please tell me what board you are talking about.

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Posted: 08-07-05 14:45pm


What is the abo board? Please explain. Sorry I thought you were talking about aim and just spelling it wrong or something...But please tell me what board you are talking about.

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Posted: 08-08-05 10:56am


Now, shall we talk about the women who die from complications of pregnancy/childbirth? Carrying to term is far riskier than aborting in the first trimester.

paganangel

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Posted: 08-08-05 11:26am


The thing is ms. Rosie is that we don't lie about childbirth deaths. We know that they happen. Choicers seem to get riled up when you talk about women who die from legal abortion. "well it's just like any other medical procedure"..Actually it's not. It's an .E.L.E.C.T.I.V.E procedure. Do you all not care about these women? Where the hel*l is pro-choice when this happens? I thought you all cared so dam.N much about women that you all would be outraged that it's not safe enough. But I guess I was wrong.

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Posted: 08-08-05 13:55pm

paganangel wrote:

what is the abo board? Please explain.

Sorry I thought you were talking about aim and just spelling it wrong or something...But please tell me what board you are talking about.

did you ignore this question on purpose??

I am saying that abortion is not a 100% medically necessary procedure. It's done electivly like plastic surgery. Everyone knows that.

Really so if a woman's uterus is perforated it's not the doctors fault but her own? So she starts running and fever and the dr advises her to go to the er..She does this and she dies from infection but yet it's her fault. Wow. You just went from pro-abortion to anti-woman in one little paragraph.

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Posted: 08-08-05 16:04pm

Well dear this and aim are the only 2 abortion boards that I use. So you lied about me being a member of another board. Why am I not surpised.

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she consented to the surgery. She took the risk. Her choice. Or should we stop doing all medical procedures b/c someone may die?

guess we can say the same for those that died from back-alley abortions too right? She made the choice. She took the risk right??

I'm aware that less than 1% of abortions are done for medically necessary purposes. The rest are completly elective.

Your above post proves that you are anti-woman.

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Posted: 08-08-05 21:19pm


There is always a 50% chance of death in any surgery or procedure and this the whole truth and nothing but the truth, just like walking down the street or getting ot of bed, their is always a risk of death and this is what we tell our patients before we ask them to sign the surgery autho. If they are unable to sign then we tell the family member who is. Authorized to sign.

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Posted: 08-08-05 21:54pm


Paganangel, why do you always get so ryled up, of course pro-choice cares, darn-straight we do, but I suppose you have never seen a pregnant female walk away from an abortion and the fetus and the pregnant female were killed the next day and she was in the process of moving to a safe place. I could go on and on and explain situations where abortions would have and were a better choice but you would never understand because you do not seem to understand alot about reality and choices, again, I am not blasting you it is just that there is a lot that you do not seem to understand and it is great to hear your thoughts and feelings but alot of what you are saying is wrong and that is what is good for a debate. Good luck to you and yours!!!

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Posted: 08-09-05 07:03am

paganangel wrote:

choicers seem to get riled up when you talk about women who die from legal abortion. "well it's just like any other medical procedure"..Actually it's not. It's an .E.L.E.C.T.I.V.E procedure.

i would venture to say that a good many surgical procedures are elective. Would you like to compare death rates from other elective procedures? Bariatric surgery (weight loss surgery) carries a mortality rate of 1 in 200, I have heard.

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do you all not care about these women? Where the hel*l is pro-choice when this happens? I thought you all cared so dam.N much about women that you all would be outraged that it's not safe enough. But I guess I was wrong.

we do care about them. However, in my country women do not die from legal abortion these days. They do die from pregnancy and childbirth complications.