i'm new to this forum, and just wanted to
ask if anyone here is having to deal with
agoraphobia + panic disorder and how they
go about this. These disorders are a
result of anxiety as you will know.
I am on lexapro at the moment, but
although it does make me feel generally
more happy than before, it doesn't have
any effect on my panic outside the house,
or minimal effect.
It's weird because, I can't do things like
put the bin bags or go to the shops alone,
or anywhere alone I find difficult.
However when I have to, like to go to
work, ( although i'm not currently
working), if I am in a routine, on a bus
etc I can manage it, even though I feel
bad.
Things like going into a shopping centre
alone terrify me though, so I am wondering
what anyone think's I am suffering with?
My doctor say's its panic disorder and
that I am displaying symptoms of
agoraphobia, whatever that means, but I
would be really grateful to know what you
think? The reason being that, my
boyfriend is pressuring me to get a job,
and I really need to overcome this, as
it's hurting our relationship and my
finances.
I have tried councelling, tried
alternative programs on the net, yoga, etc
and nothing seems to work in terms of my
anxiety outdoors. The thought of going
out makes me want to throw up and I
literally panic myself out of going out to
take the bin bags out. It's just not on
anymore, and my boyfriends mum is being
very critical of me, even though I can't
help this, and i'm finding myself getting
depressed about the whole situation.
Although saying this I am happy in myself,
and have many indoor hobbies, like trying
to setup in business, reading, yoga,
listening to motivational cd's etc.. So
it's not that i'm depressed, just anxious
about going out. I also suffer with
anxiety when I am faced with going to
events, like party's etc, although if it's
with my close freinds i'm fine. So i'm
not sure.. Any advice would be
appreciated?
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Ambience24
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Also... Posted: 08-09-05 09:03am
I feel so sick this morning with worry.
My boyfriend is seriously anxious all the
time now, and I wonder whether it's
because I rubbed off on him. He say's
it's my fault. We live in a flat together
in the south, and i'm wondering if I
should move back to the north and live
with my parents, as I don't think i'm
being very helpful to him. He wan'ts me
to get a job, and doesn't realise how hard
it is for me to go out to places. I don't
want to be responsible for making him feel
how I have alway'#s felt, as I love him
with all my heart, and I wonder if it
would be best for him to move back in with
his parents and me with mine, as neither
of us can afford the flat on our own.
It's got to breaking point now, and there
is so much stress in the air. I remember
when we used to be happy, and when I was
in the north, it was so much easier to
avoid my panic attacks as I could get a
taxi, here everything is so expensive in
comparrision. I remember having more
hobbies, and things were easier to do in
the north and being much happier, despite
the bad part, which was living with my
parents. However, having moved to the
south, i've become alot more anxious, and
I don't go out outside on my own at all
hardly.
What would anyone suggest as the best
option??
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Crystal1111
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Panic Disorder Posted: 08-09-05 09:20am
Dear ambience,
i have taken lexapro before and understand
what you mean about it not controlling
everything. For a while, I noticed that
"as needed" medication worked better for
me. For example, xanax or valium.
Those are benzodiazapams and they calm me
immediately. I've gotten so much better
lately. I'm off of xanax and take valium
only as needed. I don't take an ssri
anymore and find that books, cd's, tapes,
whatever, works the best for me. It's a
re-conditioning process. You have to
re-educate yourself to become the person
you once were. I worked on myself while
I was on medication and then slowly
tapered off the meds and am now doing
pretty well. My advice is to get up the
courage to go out there and look at your
fear in the face. Let yourself feel the
fear and anxiety and everything related.
Once you've allowed yourself to feel these
ways, your mind will slowly disarm and the
fears will lessen. But understand, this
takes time and practice. It doesn't
happen instantly. It's a moment by
moment thing. I wouldn't concern
yourself with the relationship as much
right now. Whatever happens happens. I
think your focus should be yourself and
your health. Work on that and most
things will fall into place. Keep up the
meditation and motivational cd's. That's
a wonderful first step. Let me know how
it goes.
Crystal
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Ambience24
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Thanks For Replying Crystal Posted: 08-09-05 09:49am
I was also on a anti-anxiety drug, as and
when required, can't remember the name,
but I found that this had an adverse
effect and seemed to make my anxiety
levels higher. I feel like being sick so
badly at the moment. The thought of going
out to look for a job makes me want to
just give up on life. I hate working for
other people doing a job I hate, and
having to couple that with my fear of
leaving the house, is so hard. In the
north I alway's worked with animals and
did moderate amounts of sales etc to earn
money to survive,and found myself much
more at ease with life.
At the moment I am fretting so much, I can
hardly breath. My throat has tightened up
and my stomach is churning. This is what
happened to me at my last job. I was
working in sales for eight months, and in
march this year, I lost my job because I
took a month of due to anxiety, and
stress, under doctors orders. He said I
wouldn't lose my job, but they fired me on
performance, even though I wasn't at work
and couldn't possibly perform on the month
that I wasn't there.
I really enjoyed the job until I stopped
breathing and felt like I couldn't stand
another minute of it. During this time I
was going to councelling, and every
session I had seemed to make it worse.
Don't know why.
I want to go home, but I don't think my bf
will come with me. I don't think he truly
understands how I feel, he think's i'm
being selfish, and that I said fifty fifty
when we got into this relationship, and
not it's one hundred percent him paying
the bills etc.
I can see why he is under stress, and it
could end if we moved out of this flat,
went our own way's for a month, then got
somewhere together in the north. Does
this sound like a realistic suggestion i'm
wondering ?
In the meantime, he still wants me to get
a job here, which is worrying the life out
of me, I wish I could just stay home and
work on my own marketing company, that
would make me so happy.
Oh well, guess I just have to deal with
this.
Speaking of facing the fear crystal, I
find this so incredibly hard. When I am
forced to go places, I try to get home as
quickly as possible.. The only time I am
okay is when I am out with my close
friends, my bf or people I trust.
Any other time I feel totally vunerable
and am so scared that I am going to feel
anxious that I ultimately do.
Is there nothing I can do to stop this
endless torture I wonder...Or am I just
destined to spend my life living under
these circumstances! :(
*sighs* thanks again for your help, it's
good to get these things off my chest.
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Ambience24
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Another Question? Posted: 08-09-05 14:14pm
Crystal, this is the drug that I had
propranolol (inderal), but it made me feel
worse,
haven't tried valium,
will have to speak to the doctor about
it.
How will it help my anxiety?
Thanks.
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Crystal1111
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Propranolol Posted: 08-09-05 14:30pm
Propranolol is only a beta-blocker. It
means it stops the production of
adrenaline temporarily. It's mostly used
for people with high blood pressure. I
used that medication when I had to give
public speeches. But, it is ineffective
for anxiety. The only thing that works
for me are from the diazapam family of
medications. This includes xanax,
valium, and lithium. They are
tranquilizers and make you feel mellow.
That may be helpful for you right now.
Crystal
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Ambience24
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Thanks Crystal Posted: 08-09-05 15:07pm
I will have a word with my doctor about
these, that helps alot :)
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sandyallen
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Posted: 08-09-05 15:55pm
Hello there! Remember, what works for
one, may not work for another, as we are
all different. Keep in mind to that
their are support groups and professionals
to talk to but you really have to do
something before it gets out of control.
Good luck to all of you and keep us
updated on how you are doing.
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Ambience24
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Thanks Sandy Posted: 08-09-05 16:55pm
Will do :)
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pip2000
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Posted: 08-09-05 17:09pm
Hello there ambience 24, my doctor gave me
propranolol for my anxiety, I have been on
them since january and I really dont think
they helped,i cant understand why doctors
give us these for anxiety/panick,crystal
said they were for high blood presure,
which I dont have im off to see my doc on
friday I will have a few questions for
him,i am just like you ambience I dont go
out on my own only the short trip I make
to work sometimes thats a reall struggle
and sometimes I dont make it to work at
all,when I do the weekly shop with my
hubby I rush round the store in record
time I should think,i did get a bit better
after doing the linden method,but then
3weeks ago I had a very bad experience in
hospital ! I am now back to square one
but I will get better I wont let this
thing beat me, all the best pip2000
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Ambience24
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Posted: 08-09-05 17:21pm
pip2000
wrote:
hello there ambience 24, my
doctor gave me propranolol for my anxiety,
I have been on them since january and I
really dont think they helped,i cant
understand why doctors give us these for
anxiety/panick,crystal said they were for
high blood presure, which I dont have im
off to see my doc on friday I will have a
few questions for him,i am just like you
ambience I dont go out on my own only the
short trip I make to work sometimes thats
a reall struggle and sometimes I dont make
it to work at all,when I do the weekly
shop with my hubby I rush round the store
in record time I should think,i did get a
bit better after doing the linden
method,but then 3weeks ago I had a very
bad experience in hospital ! I am now
back to square one but I will get better I
wont let this thing beat me, all the best
pip2000
hi pip,
i'm sorry to hear that you are still
suffering. To be honest, I really need to
do the linden method continuously as I
haven't put my all into it, as it's no
quick fix, it's a lifestyle change. I
still find this difficult though. Yes,
inderal is for that, but it's also a beta
blocker, which reduces the physical
symptoms of anxiety not the mental ones,
and for me it's the mental ones that are
most prominent. I mean how are you
suppose to tackle agoraphobia, if the
anxiety in your head is so bad about
leaving the house. It didnt' work for me,
but my bf is on valium and it is really
helping him, so I may try this. Alot of
people have said it helps alot. Although
I know it has backlash anxiety when you
come off them, but to be honest, all drugs
do in my oppinion.
Pip, I solved the shopping problem, I shop
online now lol. It makes me feel much
better and it's cheaper than a taxi. I
would rather get a cabbage that is abit
squashed than have to endure the panic I
feel when shopping, I literally can't
breath and can 't leave my bf's side. If
he goes away, I go nuts literally in my
head, and my vision goes blurry and I get
totally disoriantated.
I have had avoidance behaviour since I was
16 and it's been gradually getting worse
over time. I can't get to the doctors or
for councelling, I don't know if they
would come to me, but it's so traumatic
for me to do the simpalist things.
I guess baby steps are good hey :) try www.Agoraphobiahelp.Com it's a good site for helping you. I
haven't managed to do the technique of
stepping out of my door one pace, and
feeling happy about it.
I always have to run, and get to wherever
and back asap, I feel this impending doom
about going outside. It's just not on
anymore. I wish I could help this. So
far, there is drugs, councelling, linden
method, and I don't know what else to
try.
Let me know if you ever want to chat pip.
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pip2000
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Posted: 08-09-05 17:43pm
Thanks for the reply ambience,got lots to
chat to you about, will pm you asap.Pip
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Ambience24
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Is There Any Help For Agoraphobics? Posted: 08-10-05 03:17am
Hi again all, was just curious as to
whether there is any help for
agoraphobics. Just the thought of going
out today to try and get my repeat
prescription is really traumatic for me.
I feel sick and like I can't breath.
Can agoraphobic's not have councellors
come to the house, or prescriptions
delivered in this modern society that we
live in?
I really can't face going out today, but
i've run out of meds, and I need to book
an appointment to get my prescription
today, I always leave it til the last min
because I hate the thought of going out so
much
please help
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Ambience24
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Feel Like I'm Going to Die Today :( Posted: 08-10-05 04:45am
I feel so bad today, the thought of going
outside nearly kills me. My panic is so
bad...Is there anyone here who has any
advice on what support doctors etc can
give...It's just too much for me to cope
with right now. I feel like I can't
breath so badly... :( if anyone has any
advice, please do let me know. This is
just at the thought of going to get a
repeat prescription, because i've run out,
my body is totally panicking :(
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Hightension24
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Posted: 08-10-05 05:04am
Try morphine or heroin... It won't matter
to you if you are stuck inside :)
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Ambience24
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Lol Posted: 08-10-05 05:12am
Just been talking to nhs direct, they said
I should get someone to pick up my
prescription.And to get some of the
stressors off me. Didn't say anything
about morphine unfortunately :)
interesting bit of advice lol.
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pip2000
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Feeling Bad Today Posted: 08-10-05 06:48am
Hello ambience,so sorry your having a bad
day,i have days when I cant breath,i shake
with fear and panic like hell,well I use
to not so much now,what I do when this
happens is take slow deep breaths,if your
whatching t.V turn it off turn the radio
on and find something to do like washing
or the garden anything that will take your
mind of panic,ring a friend,cant a freind
come round? We have to remember this
"thing" that keeps wanting to get to us
cannot harm us we help it by letting it
get to us,every morning I used to say,"im
not going to let this thing control me
today, it cannot harm me" say it to your
self a few times it will work, as you know
iv had a set back,but im getting back in
to the swing of things again,because im
not going to let this thing get to me,as
for precriptions,im sure you can arrange
delivery ring your doctor,chin up:)pip
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Crystal1111
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Ambience Posted: 08-10-05 08:08am
Please ignore the advice about morphine or
heroin. Morphine is designed to be a
pain killer for those with severe pain.
Heroin is a street narcotic. If you are
unable to relieve your fear with cognitive
measures, the medication I recommend are
from the diazapam family. It sounds like
you need something to take the edge off
while you work on yourself mentally. You
will have a lot of work to do. You are
overwhelmed right now, so it's hard to
tell you what your first step should be.
Sometimes, medication has to be the first
step to bring you to ground-level. Then,
from there, you must do what you have to
do to help yourself. Do lots of reading
and try replacing your thoughts of fear
with other thoughts. Replace them moment
by moment. If you feel fear, let it
happen, and then make a quick decision to
simply replace that thought. It can be
exhausting, but I think it has to be.
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pip2000
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Ambience Posted: 08-10-05 08:29am
That was very good advice crystal gave
heroin/morphine,dont even go there.Pip x
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Ambience24
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Thanks Pip And Crystal Posted: 08-10-05 09:37am
I've calmed down alot since this morning,
but I still feel on edge as I have to go
to the doctors today. My bf is coming
with me, but I still feel anxiety about
being outside. I'll try asking the doctor
for something like you recommended.
Thanks again.