For the slow people out there who didn't
get the sarcasm and joking, go pray or
something, lol. But if someone is really
depressed and can't leave the house, try
pain pills. They aren't called happy
pills for nothing. Still kidding, but i'm
only half kidding. A lot of people are
scared of drugs, but if you are living a
miserable life at least have fun while you
enter the mouth of madness and hell. As
for the diazepam family, well they don't
work for people with extreme agoraphobia.
They will calm you down some, but you
still won't want to leave the house if
your fear is that extreme. Watch donnie
darko, and see how dumb it is to let fear
control you(fear and love are absurd).
And morphine is awesome but try codeine
first! Percodan and lortabs are awesome.
Ignore me, i'm just trying to lighten
the mood. There is help for
agoraphobics, but it doesn't help that
much. You can get sedatives and
anti-depressants and so far they have not
done much good. Klonopin is good, but
only if it's like mild social anxiety.
Ambience, it's all in your head. You
obviously have a better sense of humor
than most the people on here, so you have
that and your boyfriend going for you. I
will lie to you with this cliche' and say,
everything's gonna be okay! Later on
fellow nutcases :)
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Crystal1111
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 102 Location: Florida
Dearest Hightension Posted: 08-11-05 07:46am
This is sincerely from one of the slow
ones out there with little to no sense of
humor. I'm not sure if you realize that
sarcasm is virtually undetectable thru the
internet or a chat forum. Unless I see a
smiling face after suggesting morphine or
heroin, or an outburst of laughter, I will
assume you are serious. Afterall, this
is a health forum, not a comedy forum.
Thank you so much for your clarification.
I'm glad to hear that you were joking
regarding the suggestion of a street
narcotic or a painkiller/"happy pill."
having been an agoraphobic for several
years myself, I can honestly say that
happy pills do not work for me. I am no
longer an agoraphobic and I enjoy life to
the fullest. I've done this at first
through the use of intense behavioral
changes and diazapam medication. Having
tapered off of medication now, I can
proudly say I am content, mind, body, and
spirit. Aside from your humor, I do hope
that some of my words have helped some
people out there, especially ambience.
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Ambience24
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 64
Thanks Again For Your Help Crystal... Posted: 08-11-05 11:47am
Strangely enough, I read some of his other
posts and thought he must be a joker. I
am wise enough to know not to take any
street drugs, although alcohol has alway's
calmed me down when going out, it's not
something I can use as a supplement for
courage.
You will be pleased to know, I got a job
today working in a large utilities
company. My boyfriend came with me, and I
have a fantastic talent at hiding the way
I feel when i'm interviewed, smiling
sweetly and being enthusiastic. It was
tiring, but I got the job. My bf's mum is
going to take me there in the morning and
bring me back in the evening so I won't
have to go outside, which is a big problem
for me.
I liked the feel of the place, and I love
people, and they all seemed very nice, so
i'm very happy to be back to work, I start
tommorow and I got the job, same day!!
They only gave me fifteen mins to get
ready for the interview, was short notice,
so I went casual, even trainers, but this
didn't put them off!!
I'm so pleased, and so is my bf's family!
I only hope that my agoraphobia doesn't
creap into the building, if you know what
I mean. I don't want to feel
uncomfortable or panicky and start
avoiding things. However it's a five week
temp contract so I should be okay for this
long!!! No pressure, the job is admin,
running around doing the post, covering
reception, all which I have done in the
past. I only hope my agoraphobia, panic
doesn't effect me to the degree it has
been doing.
Any suggestions on calming remedies, or
tips for my day to keep me panic free
would be good :)
thanks again for all your support,
i truly am grateful!
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Crystal1111
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 102 Location: Florida
New Job!!! Posted: 08-11-05 12:46pm
Wow ambience, i'm soooo proud of you!
Do you realize what a big step that is for
you? I know what you mean about being
able to hide your true feelings,
especially under pressure. I've been
known to have that ability as well. Some
people in my life never even realized I
had a problem, except for those closest to
me. Well, now that you've taken that
very couragous and admirable step, it's
time to take the next one. You can do
it! It sounds like it may be a busy job
and that's terrific. Do your best to
focus your mind and thoughts on the tasks
at hand. By doing that, you not only do
your best work, but you also put panic and
fear in the back of your mind. Fear and
panic may creep up at times, but tell
yourself that it's ok for that to happen.
Once you allow yourself to feel the fear,
it's not as menacing. I remember times
at work that I would have to leave a
meeting and go to the restroom just to
gain composure. I've gotten to the point
now where I am able to sit through the
meeting with not so much as an occasional
grimace or twinge of panic. Give
yourself permission to twinge or to cover
your face sometimes or move around your
workplace quickly and with intent.
You'll make it through. You know you
will. Also, in the back of your mind,
also remind yourself that you have
permission to leave to use the restroom or
to take a walk outside if you have to.
Once you give yourself permission and
embrace what it is that scares you,
somehow you will notice that the need to
"escape" will become less and less. The
most beneficial thing I have learned in my
struggles with anxiety and panic is that I
should not fight the fear. That is the
goal truly. Do not fight it. If you
attempt to fight, it will gain strength.
Instead, own it. Anxiety is yours and it
can be controlled. Live moment to moment
and each time an irrational thought enters
your mind, simply replace it with a
rational one. This takes time and energy
but in the long run, it is successful.
You must keep me informed on this new
position. Keep your chin high. Look
how far you've come! Be proud!
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Ambience24
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 64
Thanks Crystal... Posted: 08-11-05 13:22pm
You have given me alot of confidence and
been a pillar of strenght showing
support!! I really appreciate that. I
should give myself some credit, but
because I have done better in the past, I
tend to devalue what I have achieved.
Thanks for showing me that I should
recognise that this is a good step to
combatting my problem. Ever since I was
16 I have been avoiding and using coping
stratergies, masking the way I feel,
putting on a front, when really I have
been terified. I'm so pleased to know
this isn't just me and to know that it can
be overcome.
I will use the restroom idea. I feel the
panic so bad in meetings, of which I hope
I will have none at this place. I can't
breath, or speak and i'm really sensitive
to my facial expressions and also I go
dissy and can't see well. I don't allow
myself to escape, and sometimes I can't
which makes it worse. I need to allow
myself to feel this way, as sometimes it's
so draining to hide the way i'm feeling
and keep it all locked up inside. I just
want to scream and run home on occasions.
I hope this doesn't happen again.
The way I brought my anxiety down today
was by saying that I didn't need the job,
I didn't need to put on an act, I was just
myself, and although quiet , I must have
made an impression that I was nice etc..
I'm normally quite loud when I get to know
ppl, but I need to remind myself that I
can't expect to be confident all the time,
and that people are allowed to be abit shy
at interviews. It was plesant for me, I
wasn't going overboard trying to impress,
I think sometimes I come across confident
and arogant maybe, something which I am
not, but is my way of hiding my feelings,
I don't like the arogant bit, but I think
sometimes people look at me and think, oh
she thinks she know's it all. So I just
showed interest today and didn't talk as
much to cover my feelings. When i'm
anxious or uncomfortable, I need to talk,
even if it's a load of rubbish. I feel
trapped if i'm not allowed to speak and
like I need to get out of there. So I
think today was a step forward. Thankyou
honey xxxxxxxxxxx
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Ambience24
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Aug 2005 Posts: 64
Crystal.. Posted: 08-11-05 16:19pm
I cried to tonight at the thought of
having to confront my anxiety if it
arises, its' worst before the actual
event, like prediction anxiety about what
is going to happen, any ideas on how to
stop this..
Thanks honey xx
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Crystal1111
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Jul 2005 Posts: 102 Location: Florida
I Know What You Mean Posted: 08-11-05 16:45pm
This is called anticipatory anxiety. At
times, this can be worse than the actual
event itself. My advice would probably
be the same. Take whatever strength you
have and replace each and every negative
thought that enters your mind. Actually,
before you replace it, acknowledge that it
is there. Tell yourself, "ok, i'm scared
I might do this...Or this..." and then
after you've acknowledged it, replace it
immediately. You may have to do this
continuously. Sometimes, until your mind
fatigues. It can be exhausting. But
think about it this way. It's taken you
years to become anxious and scared. Now,
you have to re-teach yourself. This may
take just as long. But, if you are
willing to try, be patient with yourself.
Sometimes, if you are unable to replace
the negative thoughts, step outside of
your mind and sincerely ask yourself,
really what is the worst thing that can
happen? Run screaming from the room?
Faint? Shake? These are the fears.
Now, why are you fearing those things?
Is it because you are afraid of letting
someone down, or are you afraid of
embarrassing yourself? Those used to be
my fears. Now, the people around me know
who I am. I let them know I have certain
fears. I have excused myself from
meetings and they understand. Chances
are you won't run screaming from the room
or faint, etc. But, face those things
when they arrive. Eastern philosophy
teaches that you should not worry about
anything that is not directly in front of
you at the moment. So, today, you are
not at your new job. You are at home,
right? So, there should be no fear in
that room. When you arrive to work, then
you deal with things. Step by step.
This is anticipatory anxiety. Story
goes: a young buddhist student went to
his buddhist teacher and asked him, "how
can I be enlightened and peaceful when I
have so many bills to pay?" the buddhist
teacher replied, "your bills are not in
this room." I love that story.
Ambience, it's moment by moment. You are
safe and you will be safe. Worst case
scenarios rarely happen and when they do,
you feel embarrassed. I say to heck with
it. If people think we're weird, let
them! I think you will do fine. Focus
on the air around you in the room you are
in right now. Feel the textures of
things around you. Take in smells.
Focus on something beautiful. That is
where you are now. When the time comes
to start your new job, focus on the things
in that room at that time. I hope this
wasn't too deep. I think i've read too
much for my own good. Do you drink wine?
Sometimes, a nice glass of red wine
soothes my mind when fears overwhelm me.
Wine, unlike heroin, is legal (haha).
Love to you!
Right there with ya,
crystal
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Hightension24
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 64 Location: Houston
Posted: 08-12-05 01:51am
Ambience, you are obviously cool, so don't
worry about it. I came on here thinkin I
was fuxed up but I ain't really so i've
become a sarcastic problem. But you do
need klonopin or something for anxiety....
Trust me, it will work. Yes, you might
get addicted but it's just like a fat
person getting addicted to food or a
sports freak gettin hooked on espn. We
all have a vice, and if we don't, if god
exists is he gonna notice us????? You
obviously need something, cause a lot of
us go through crap like that but you seem
to have a more extreme problem. It's all
in your head...... By the way
crystal1111, i've been there done that.
I had this damn problem when I was playin
baseball at u of h. So I know how it is,
but I always keep a sense of humor and
ambience seems pretty cool so whatev. If
someone says take heroin, he or she is
usually joking. Life sucks, yes we know
that, but if you laugh about it you will
feel better, no matter how fuxxed up you
are. I dropped out of two colleges
because of this and lost a baseball
scholarship but I just laugh about it, and
yes, pain killers help. You ain't never
taken any if you have not noticed that.
Ambience, stay cool and you can deal with
anything you face or else you wouldn't
have to face it, take care! Later
gators!
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Lennon
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 82 Location: Canada
Posted: 08-12-05 11:47am
Pain killers really do help..........If
sitting around stoned and feeling sorry
for yourself is the help you need. Then
when they wear off and you feel twice as
bad, you can say..........Damn this is
awesome.
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flowersintheattic
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 7
Posted: 02-22-06 22:11pm
The link below may help you, its an
agoraphobic forum. You can find support
there , and information about agoraphobia.
Hope that helps :)
Hey, this is not a very helpful post
(sorry), but it might give a little hope.
Agoraphobia and such sort of runs in my
family (in the form of various anxiety
problems) and my mother had a bad case of
agoraphobia in the 70's (before I was
born). My dad told me she wouldn't leave
the house unless she *had* to, and that
she had panic attacks all the time. He
was a saint, though, and stuck by her
through it all and supported her. At
least, that's what mom says ;)
the good news is that after nearly a
decade of this, she finally improved. She
still has trouble with her panic
disorder--freaking out in tunnels, on
highways, etc--but she leaves the house
happily now and no longer fears people. I
promise I will give her a call tonight and
ask her for advice so I can pass it on.
These days she makes an instant friend of
any stranger and spends more time out of
the house than in it. So, there is light
at the end of the tunnel, you can improve
significantly. It ain't easy, given what
my mom has said to me before, but it's
doable.
I know one thing she did was a support
group (outside the home). From what I
gather, they shared helpful ideas and
discussed how hard it was to even get to
the group. It was helpful, she said,
because she wanted to get to the group so
badly that it got her out of the house on
a regular basis (she lost her job like you
did, ambience), and she had several
friends then that experienced the same
things she did.
Good luck to you all :)
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phazon01
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 2 Location: north nj
Re: Propranolol Posted: 03-09-06 01:37am
crystal1111
wrote:
propranolol is only a
beta-blocker. It means it stops the
production of adrenaline temporarily.
It's mostly used for people with high
blood pressure. I used that medication
when I had to give public speeches.
But, it is ineffective for anxiety. The
only thing that works for me are from the
diazapam family of medications. This
includes xanax, valium, and lithium.
They are tranquilizers and make you feel
mellow. That may be helpful for you
right now.
Crystal
it doest mean it stops the production of
adrenaline, beta blockers bind to beta
receptors specifically b1 in this case
which prevents nor adrenaline/nor
epinephrine from binding to its specific
effector in the periphery :d
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RBD
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 19 Location: Tucson,az
Posted: 03-19-06 18:36pm
You really need to just get the proper
nutrients in your diet. A normal american
only consumes two of the seven or eight
different carbs that are body needs to
operate and this lack in nutrients may be
just what the problem is. Exicting news
and break throughs
@www.Dontforgettotakeyourvitamins.Com/davi
s47087
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Lennon
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 82 Location: Canada
Posted: 03-19-06 19:06pm
If vitamins were the cause, panic attacks
and anxiety would affect and effect a hell
of a lot more than 10% of the population
on the planet.
Spend some time reading up on panic and
anxiety before making a bold statement
about vitamins or selling whatever you
want to sell. This isn't a blind joke to
people that are afraid.
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sophira
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 37 Location: MN, USA
Posted: 03-19-06 19:46pm
I have a feeling that his post and the two
above it were made by people who were
either automated and/or simply did not
read the thread and merely were aiming to
advertise.
Annoying, but probably true.
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Lennon
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 82 Location: Canada
Posted: 03-19-06 19:51pm
I know.....That's why I put the blind joke
part in.