Is It Normal?? I Dont Think So!... Posted: 08-16-05 18:16pm
Hi im a 17-year-old male and I hate the
fact that I get so angry that I do things
I regret later. And the worst part is
that I get angry over very silly things ,
like if someone leaves the room and not
closes the door or close it but leave it
not fully closed, or when my mom asks me
to so something I dont want to do and
stuff like that... I know u think that
this is normal irritation but its not ..
I get so angry that I shout at ppl like my
sis or even hit them and sometimes I just
dont talk to them for a while untill they
apologize to me or I start saying things I
regret and I do other things as well .
And im also very moody which affects my
grades and life.... And I hate that abt
myself and im worried that this temper
problem will carry on and will affect
everything around me .. Ill have failed
marriages ..My kids will hate me and so on
..... Can any1 give any info.
.....Plzzzzzz help im desperate.. :cry:
thank u
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DarkcaTT
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 13 Location: CA
Posted: 08-16-05 18:20pm
Visit a psychologist, he will help you how
to deal with your anger
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Toiles
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Jul 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Regina Saskatchewan
Posted: 08-16-05 18:37pm
Ya the besst thing to do... Is go to
anger management. You obviously need help
in controling your anger and cannot
control it your self.
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chromelassie
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 13 Location: Tennessee
Run Run Run Posted: 08-16-05 22:12pm
Have you thought about taking off in a
dead run ( not into the street! ) but
down the block, or better thru the yard,
every time you feel the anger starting to
rise? Is there anything in your life that
stresses you out? Parents divorcing?
Girlfriend woes? School troubles? The
anger could have something to do with the
hormones in your body that your mind has
not figured out how to handle yet. In
other words, try to take the energy that
the anger gives you and channel it into
something that is not bad, like hitting
your sister. Run it off, lift ( and not
your siblings ha ha ) it off! Let us know
where this takes you
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bgivs
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 17
Posted: 08-18-05 23:07pm
Well actually yes I have a lot of problems
, my parents divorced when I was younger
then my father died , then we had a huge
prob. Between my mom and my dads parents
about his wealth and how is it inherited
that took me a lot to court and my mom
started to change in a lot of ways shes a
different person now , I can seem to make
her proud at all I mean I try my best but
I dont know she's never satisfied and
always expect a lot of me since im the
eldest of my siblings and the only son .
I moved to a new country two years ago and
I have a lot of preasure in school , I
dont want to bore u with my prblems any
longer but I do have a lot of more serious
problems I could just go on and on .. But
I dont know what to do my mom gets
overprotective sometimes (ex: im 17 and
she still wont let me drive, ex2: I want
to go to college in the us but she wont
let me live alone . And more ...) and I
have a lot of other preasures also .. And
with this temper thing I just cant control
it and I get angry easilly and over stupid
things (as u know .. I wont repeat it cuz
its mentioned on my first post) and when I
get mad oh man.. I do things ... I dont
even want to say .. So anyways i'd love
to have some sort of method of controling
that anger like going out and just take a
walk but my mom wont even let me go out
alone .... So im kinda trapped here and
dont know what to do and im willing and
determined to change me temper problem but
when I get mad I just loose it I dont know
why.... Plz some1 help
i want to go to a psychaiatrist but I just
cant tell my mom that I need to see one ..
I just cant.. And I also cant do it
without her knowing , she keeps a very
close eye on me , she needs 2 know every
single thing I do or say and where I go
and what ppl said 2 me...
Everything....
Plz help
what do I do?
Thank u very much , really its amazing to
have ppl to talk to about this ..
U guyz are gr8
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Bethygirl
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Ma
Posted: 08-19-05 01:46am
I know pretty much exactly how you feel.
I have the same problem, I havent resorted
to hitting anyone yet but I do kick hit or
punch things( but lol im a girl so very
few things get broken). Sorry had to add
a lil humor into that. But ive had
horrible experinces that have altered who
I am. I to get mad at the door thing so I
dunno thats not just you at least. Also
my moms the same way shes be soooo over
portective of me that she wants me to go
to the college around the corner. But I
cant seem to stand my mom sometimes. I
get mad so easily so if anyone knows if
there is a spefic term for this issue
please let me know to. Also bgivs feel
free to talk to me if theres anything I
could help you with or if you just need to
vent at someone.
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sasha66
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 4 Location: Toronto
Angry Or Anxious? Posted: 08-19-05 02:35am
Hello bvigs,
good for you for recognizing these
feelings and reaching out for help. It
takes a lot of maturity to do that at any
age; at 17, it’s nearly a miracle!
I wonder if you have an anxiety and/or
depressive disorder, and if your
anger-management problem is secondary to
that. I am a physican, but also suffer
from anxiety, which in my teen years,
manifested itself primarily as
irritability. I now know this to be quite
common in teens, but didn’t know it at
the time and felt pretty bad about myself
for years. Like you, I could feel myself
becoming moody and reacting strongly to
things I intellectually knew didn’t
warrant such feelings: loud noises, noisy
kids, other people being "inconsiderate,"
etc. It felt very much out of my control.
It’s great that you recognize and regret
your behaviours; you’re obviously a
compassionate person who feels badly for
how you’ve treated others. But how
about feeling a little compassion for
yourself? You are obviously on-edge a lot
of the time, and this kind of
hyper-vigilance really saps the joy from
life.
I agree with the previous posts; seeing a
therapist is a must, especially given some
of the life stresses you’ve gone
through. And exercise is also a great way
to blow off steam. I’m also going to
take a risk here — I know there will be
people who will jump all over me for this,
especially as I am an md — but you may
want to consider a low-dose
anti-depressant. These also function as
anti-anxiety medications. I agree they do
not replace the importance of therapy and
learning the skills to express emotions
more positively. What they can do,
though, is sometimes invaluable: they can
take the "edge" off things, in a way that
doesn’t alter your personality or
general level of consciousness, as do
other drugs or alcohol. I was skeptical
at first, but my own doctor recommended I
at least try one. Sure enough, I found
myself having a lot more patience with
others; I was also able to concentrate
more in medical school; I could study
without being distracted by the sound of a
car outside; I didn’t jump when the
phone rang, or feel irritated when someone
simply laughed too loud. I felt "normal."
I could enjoy things more.
Many people will try and discourage you
from considering medication. Remember
that many of these people don’t know
what it is to have a full-blown anxiety
disorder. It’s not something that one
can simply "run-off," or fix by avoiding
caffeine, or relaxing with a good book
(though these are great adjuncts). A
short course of a low-dose anti-depressant
may help you to shift your perspective a
bit and feel less "sensitive" to what’s
going on around you. In doing so, you may
be able to stand up for yourself more!
Some of your irritability is, I suspect,
some bottled-up resentment towards your
mom; you love her, but naturally want the
independence that any 17-year-old craves.
It isn’t that she "won’t let you"
drive or move away (you’re almost an
adult, after all); it’s that you’re
worried about displeasing her. Treating
your anxiety may help you to not worry so
much about hurting your mom’s feelings.
And therapy will teach you that we are all
responsible for our own feelings —that
goes for your mom, too!
See your family doctor to discuss the
possibility of therapy and/or medication.
At age 17, you need to start establishing
independent relationships, including one
with your doctor. You don’t need to
share everything with your mom and don’t
need to justify this. Reassure your mom
that you love her - and you may be seeing
a doctor and you may be getting a car and
you may be thinking about going away to
school. And you still love her. This
will help your mom to feel safe while she
makes the changes she has to make, too.
Hope that helps!
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bgivs
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 17
Posted: 08-19-05 07:38am
Oh my god , u guyz r .....I cant even find
words .... Gr8er than gr8..
Bethygirl , I could easilly relate to u
and feel what u feel . Nowing that
someone out there , is not just there 4 me
, but also understands me , is an amazing
feeling , and now I have that,thanx to
u...And u could also talk to me whenever u
feel stressed out or just wanna get a load
off ur chest jsut know that im here 4 u ..
Just mail me we could talk on im or
smthing ...Oh and ps. Never appologize 4
adding humer .. I think its great and ppl
should have a lot of humer in their lives
its how I wish I lived..
Sasha66, what can I say , no one ever
understood me as much as u do , I mean
even I cant describe myself as good as u
described me , (its like my mind talkin to
me... I know thats stupid but its
true).... And I too have a lot of
problems concentrating on homework or just
studying or reading .. And im just like u
in some ways .. And I couls see myself in
college having the sae problems in the
future , wether its in college or at work
or even when I have kids .... And thats a
huge problem for me it might even ruin my
life .. I really love ppl and love to
help them and hate to act the way I act
when im irritated......
So anyways . About the medication or
treatment , I really want to get them but
I dont have access to them , I mean my mom
wont accept that. And I cant do anything
without her concent , even if I wanted I
couldent ,, she gives me the money and she
wont give me anything if she didnt accept
... And if I try in some way get
treatment behind her back , and she finds
out , she wont trust me again ..... And
the idea of persuading her into accepting
is really great but shes just too hard
headed and is impossible to persuade.
I really dont want to be this violent
person . I really want to have that
chill-out attitude .. But the problem is
that I dont have the freedom to decide
whats best for me and to decide that I
need a doctor or at least any kind of
treatment..
U guyz cant even imagine how much I
appreciate this ..
U guyzare the best ..
Sasha66 and bethygirl.. I really wish
we'd het to know eachother more and to
keep in touch and anyone who can relate to
me and my problem ..We could all go
through this together ..Its better than
being alone in such problems.. And u guyz
.. I just want u 2 know that im here for
u whenever u need me...
Thank u very much ... Wish u the best in
life.
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sasha66
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Jun 2005 Posts: 4 Location: Toronto
a Good, Good Person Posted: 08-19-05 11:10am
Hello again,
what a bright spark you are! Despite your
angry episodes, you are very insightful
and I suspect you have many friends who
love you. Don’t worry too much about
your future ability to parent kids or be a
good spouse. People who have endured
hardship - physical or emotional - often
make incredible adults who have much to
teach others, including their kids. Going
through tough times emotionally causes us
to change in ways that are often
remarkable.
I very rarely respond to any emails in
chat rooms, so I want you to know that
your situation really resonated with me.
Because of this, I want to share a few
things about me, because I think it may
help you. Also, i’d like you to know
that I struggled with this for years
before realizing that things could be
different. I don’t want that to happen
to you. Here were some outcomes of that
for me:
1. My family developed a "story" about
me that persists to this day. That I am
an unstable, argumentative, volatile,
overly-sensitive person. Even though
i’ve changed so much, they seem to have
trouble seeing me differently.
2. Because I bought into this story
about myself, it took me a long time to
follow my passions. I ended up working as
a writer through my twenties; I published
several books, but I still felt like a
fraud.
3. It took me even longer to find the
confidence in myself to pursue my big
dream - becoming a doctor. Because of
this, I waited until my thirties to go to
medical school. I couldn’t even believe
I got in - again, feeling like a big
fraud!
4. I had difficulty is establishing a
good romantic relationship. When you’re
anxious and irritable, you look for what
(or who) you think is making you feel this
way. This is a mistake. What’s
happening is that you feel anxious first
and then that bleeds out onto everything
around you.
5. I never had children. Just being
around kids sent my anxiety sky-rocketing.
I doubted my ability to raise kids well;
I think deep down I worried I might have a
complete breakdown and end up in the
psychiatric ward! I don’t regret
not-having kids because I have a great
life; I just wish I hadn’t made the
decision from a place of fear.
4. I didn’t like myself. This was the
worst thing of all —maybe one of the
worst things in life! It’s dreadful to
spend each and every day with someone
who’s a pain and an embarrasment, and
worse still when that someone is
yourself.
I understand your situation with your mom
is a challenging one. Not impossible -
just challenging. I guess the question
is: how serious are you about fixing
this? When I find myself responding to
suggestions with, "yes, but..." I always
ask myself that. And please know that you
don’t have to fix this right now.
There’s plenty of time. Anxiety is a
killer - it makes us feel like everything
is a do-or-die emergency. Ok, go get a
glass of chocolate milk and let’s put
our heads together for some workable
ideas:
1. Try practicing some
cognitive-behavioural therapy (cbt) on
your own. This is the number-one
technique therapists use for anxiety. It
takes a while to work, but can be utterly
life-changing. Step one: recognize when
you are catastrophizing. Example: in your
last email you start to panic as you
imagine your future ruined. Step two:
stop! Say, "ok, here is an example of me
telling myself something that isn’t true
or isn’t likely to be true." don’t
judge yourself. Just notice it. Step
three: formulate a more realistic thought.
For example: "right now, i’m having
some trouble with irritability and
anxiety. Sometimes I lose my temper.
However, i’m working on ways to change
that. Everyone has their own private
challenges - this is mine. I’m a smart
person and I can change. Good for me for
doing such tough work! I’m a great
person with lots of love to give. Chances
are, my life will be quite wonderful!" not
only will this make you feel better -
it’s actually more accurate.
2. If medication or therapy don’t feel
like an option right now, put them on the
back-burner. But don’t rule them out
for the future. If you are in school,
consider talking to a counsellor (i know,
we used to make fun of them in my high
school) or even a trusted teacher. You do
not need consent to see a physician or
even to take medications. At 17, you
would be considered an adult. Begin
thinking of yourself as one.
3. Read a good book on managing anxiety.
I have read virtually everything on the
subject! Here is my current fave:
self-coaching: how to heal anxiety and
depression by joseph j. Luciani,
available through amazon. Stop worrying
about what your mom will think; it’s not
like you’re reading porn. Let her know
that you don’t want to feel shame or
embarrasment in your own home. Tell her
that you don’t want to hide things from
her because you love her. See suggestion
4 below.
4. Don’t sell your mom short. You
don’t have to tell her everything, but
you don’t have to keep this a secret,
either. If talking to her feels
impossible, consider writing a little
note. Despite her hard-headedness, i’m
sure your mom loves you. If you explain
how you are trying to change things for
the better, I can’t believe that she
wouldn’t accept that. Try a little
humour - say, "hey, won’t it be great if
I can get some help so that i’m not
beating up the family and throwing the
dishes around?" you could also ask your
mom to go to the doctor with you; doctors
are good at diffusing situations and could
help your mom to find a way to be more
supportive as you seek help.
5. If you go to college soon, you will
have a lot more freedom, even if you
don’t go away to school. There are
doctors and therapists and support groups
right on campus. Many medications are
given out for free or for very little; if
you stay living at home, you can keep them
in your locker.
Most of all, be careful how you talk to
yourself. Remember cbt! You are not a
violent person. You may be a person who
sometimes behaves violently, but that
describes your behaviour - not who you
are. Tell yourself everyday that you are
a good, good person. It happens to be
true. I can already tell this about you,
and if you say it often enough, you’ll
eventually believe it, too.
Good luck!
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chromelassie
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 13 Location: Tennessee
Posted: 08-20-05 15:27pm
Sasha66 has some good answers for you.
She is very insightful and her advice and
words are kind and logical. I can't think
of anything to add after reading her
replies, so I am glad that you are finding
an outlet and comfort on this forum and
with an intelligent listener. Good job,
sasha66. If you aren't a therapist, you
could be. Good fortune to you both.
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bgivs
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 17
I Dont Know What to Say..... Posted: 08-20-05 17:26pm
Dear sasha66 I cant even describe how much
I appreciate this .....
U dont even know... U've helped me so
much.. And I dont think thank u is good
enough....... U've been there for me when
I didnt have anywhere to turn 2 ..... U
made me feel that I could turn to u when
my friends didnt (not that they wouldnt if
they knew)....
I cant thank u enough for being there for
me ..... I mean u rarely find amazing,
loving, caring, kind-hearted ppl like u
anymore.
I will apply the techniqes u gave me...
Btw that was exactly what I turned here
for .. It even exeeded my expectations
.... I didnt even think that ppl on the
net could do what ur doing for me ... U r
truely an angel ... And I hope u succeed
and I wish u all greatness , happiness,
and seccess in life..
And I also hope u find what ur looking for
in life..
Even though i've never even met , I feel
that ur the only person that i've really
connected with.. I mean we have a lot in
common..
U always learn a lesson better when u've
experienced it first-hand and that have
happened with both me and u , but u also
gave me a lesson 2 learn that will help me
in the future ... So thanks to u , I now
could avoid those things that could (and
most likely will)happen to me in the
future .... Thanks to u , I dont have to
go what u've been through ... U freed me
when I was trapped in a problem ...U
guided me through this dark cave .. U
helped me help myself...... ...........
So no matter what I do or say, it wont be
enogh to ....... How could I ever repay
u.... If I could , I would ... But for
now I need u to know that u have my
eternal gratitude....
P.S. Im sorry if my sentences and words
are a little mixed up or vague in
anyway... Itsjust that I have a hardtime
expressing myself clearly..
Oh yeah ... About u... U shouldnt feel
like a fraud cuz now ur following ur heart
... Now ur reaching ur dreams.... Ur a
genuine and great person....
And no person that brave , that smart and
that strong should think that he/she is a
fraud.... Especially a wise and a
wonderful person like u....
I know that its not nearly enough but im
gonna say it anyways....
Thank u very much.