How Do I Know If I Should Stay In My Marriage? Posted: 08-21-05 22:41pm
I have had this feeling for a long time
that something in my relationship is
amiss. We have been married for 11 years
now and like many marriages we never
expected to to be easy all the time.
However for a number of years now things
have been progressively worsening. Last
year she threataened to leave and I talked
her out of it (it was over something my
mother did). This is not the first time
either. Over the past 11 years she has
threatened to leave once before and told
me I can leave if I want to on two
occasions.
Major changes started when I lost my job
six years ago and didn't work for 18
months. I started to get the feeling
that she resented me being at home all
day, regardless of the fact that I would
rather have been working, I kept house
wrote endless job applications went to
endless interviews and was turned down
again and again (i eventually go a job
throught an old friend doing a favour).
Then, as is the case now, my wife withdrew
from me, I am not too sure that she loves
me in the same way as when we got married.
These days I have to be very careful.
I feel like I have to account for every
moment of my time. - she would call me
up during the day and check up on me.
Tell me to do things. And then start an
argument if I do not or refuse. She
wants to know where I am at all times. I
cannot deviate from my schedule i.E.
Work-home by 6.30pm. If I do, then she
gets upset and tells me that I am being
inconsiderate.
I feel like I have to account for all my
spending. - for some reason, I use the
joint account for all my banking and she
has her own account. This means she not
only spends her own money, but she spends
mine too! And then doesn't understand
why the account is overdrawn each month.
My wife puts me down. She finds any
opportunity to criticize me. - this is
subtle as she only does it when we are
alone. She has the last say in all
discussions. And all her decisions are
justified. Money, kids... You name it.
She does not consider my viewpoint to
be valid. I do not know how to bring up
chldren. I do not know the best way to
clean something. I have to be told, in
detail, how to do anything regardless of
whether I have done it countless times
before or was the one who showed her how
to do it in the first place.
I feel like I can't do anything right in
my wife's eyes. - if something is amiss
- she can find reason to turn it into my
fault. My worst time is buying things
for my wife as I know they will not meet
her approval. Her xmas presents are
still unused in the closet. Her birthday
present - jewellry - was worn for a month
and never again. If we go out, she tells
me to choose a venue to eat and then
criticizes my choice.
I am blamed for just about everything that
goes wrong. - if she feels that she has
been wronged, she insists on an immediate
apology. Even then it is not normally
immediately accepted; until she has
laboured the point long enough to feel
satisfied that she is justified in her
position. However if she has done wrong,
she will not immediately accept it as her
fault and rarely gives an apology. I try
to communicate rationally only to be
ignored, belittled or not even heard.
Over the years my friends have fallen
away. Our close friends are her friends
only. She has donee this throught
selective criticism, and dislike at one
point or another to the point where we
were not invited or included in my friends
activites. If we were she would make it
as difficult as possible to be an
enjouyable event. Now it is the turn of
my family. If I speak to any of my
family, my wife wants to know exactly what
I told them. She has become suspicious
of nearly everyone except my dad. I
cannot visit my mum anymore without my
wife throwing a tantrum. I hardly ever
call my mum now and she will not phone the
house. Basically my wife has effectively
cut me off from my mum.
Any sort of intimacy is very rare. I
feel like I have to catch her off guard.
Whyen we sleep she curls up on the
opposite side of the bed and falls asleep
with her back to me. Basic kisses, no
cuddles, no touching, and certainly no
sex. Last year, my wife said that if I
lost weight, then our sex life would
improve. I lost 18kg. I am now lighter
than when we got married. She didn't
acknowledge that until her friends
mentioned it and I think became jealous at
their responses. Now she wants me to do
stomach exercises to get 'abs' before we
have sex. I have never had 'abs'!!
I do not want to go anywhere with my wife
anymore - she just makes it a painful
exerience. I dread coming home from
work. If I take the kids to bed at
8.30pm I stay there in the dark -feigning
sleep. If its my wife's turn, I relish
the thought of being on my own for the
evening. Weekends are torture. I
prefer it if she is busy doing her own
thing and I look after the kids or she
takes the kids and I go and garden.
I have thought about marriage counselling.
We tried it before but it did not work -
she turned it into my issues. I thought
about sitting her down and talking about
these issues, but she would again make it
my problem for being uncommunicative, when
she does not provide an environment for
wanting to be communicative. Her opinion
is right, it is the only worthwhile
opinion. She is always right. She
compares me to any loser that we may know
depending on the problem: procrastination
- her father, bad father - her friend's ex
husband, the list goes on.
I feel victimised and used. My wife has
me by my values. She knows I would find
it difficult to leave because of the
children. I came from a divorced family
and didnt want to subject the same thing
to my kids, so have stuck it out this
long. But is it best to stick out a bad
marriage because of them - what will it do
to me? Now I am starting to question my
motives.
I have the opportunity to get a better job
in another city. But my wife is refusing
to move. The offer is still open but
she stalls, makes rediculous demands
saying that if the guy wants me that bad
he'll do better. I have been looking for
another job of 2 years where we currently
live and I keep getting turned down. I
don't know if it is my age or what. This
is the only decent offer I have had.
Help me. What do I do now? I cannot
afford counselling. I would appreciate
someone elses experience on this.
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Spanky2005
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 78 Location: Philadelphia
Sounds a Little Like My Story! Posted: 08-21-05 23:13pm
I couldnt help but smile after I read your
account.
My wife shares a lot of similarities with
yours. Her not being able to get along
with my family, and her dislike of my
friends too. She calls my friends
"losers" and makes every attempt that I
never see any of them.
She doesnt get along with my mom, dad,
sisters just my brother but only because
he never says anything.
She points out my driving mistakes when I
taught her driving in the first place.
The only difference is that we have a
pretty good sex life.
We have had plenty of fights and have
threatened divorce on plenty of occasions.
I tell my wife I am going to leave her
at least once in two months. She is
not scared of my divorce threats anymore.
When we go on vacation. I can't be
alone for ten minutes before she will come
looking for me. I cant get a night out
in the casino by myself even if I go there
after everything is done for the day and
the kids go to sleep. She is scared I
might meet someone I guess. Sometimes
I feel what it would be like with another
lady with a more pleasant personality.
But the kids are what keep us together.
I cannot figure out what the problem could
be in your relationship. It could be
that she is not attracted to you anymore
because of your imperfect weight situation
(based on what you said) and that is why
she has much less respect for you. It
could also be your inability to get a good
job.
Women dont respect men that cant earn a
good living.
Why dont you accept the job in the other
city and move there on your own and try
staying away from her for some time?
Then see how her attitude changes.
I think you definitely need some kind of
change.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 08-21-05 23:16pm
Wow, I really do not to get into marriages
but I will give you my opinion, I have
been divorced three times. You are going
thru mental abuse, I do not know the whole
story because I have not heard her side of
the story or situation, I am sure it is
affecting your kids, sometimes a
separation does help, that is if you were
to work out of town for a while, her
hormones might be off balanced. Things
are never the way they used to be, she
sounds like a very controller and wants to
be your mother, maybe your marriage does
need some space.
Good luck on what you decide. Keep us
posted.
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bobbynz
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Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 8
Marriage Is Never Easy Posted: 08-23-05 19:33pm
Its comforting somehow to realise that you
are not the only one going through this.
I cannot say that I have not been at
fault. There are things that I should
have said and done years ago that would
have prevented the situation I find myself
in today. I should have stood my ground,
spoke up, pushed my views. But I am not
that sort of person.
The marriage counsellor from years ago put
it that I had a phlegmatic personality and
my wife a choleric one - not the best of
matches. I avoid arguments/confrontations
as I think there is always a better route
- especially when most of them are being
picky. My wife comes to the boil quickly
and when she has been appeased, acts like
nothing happened. However she manges to
bring up that point again months, even
years later. I like routine, I plan, but
not in detail and not 6 months ahead. I
do withdraw - which is never a good thing
and i've tried to correct it. So,
probably many would say, not the easiest
person to get along with - but then who
is?
You are probably right in that we should
separate. We ended up not living together
4 years ago for about 18 months due to me
getting a job too far away to commute. I
had to choose then to either keep the job
or keep the marriage - I decided to give
the marrage another go. I find myself in
the same boat again. Take to job or take
the marriage.
The only reason why the job is a factor is
because as I am in my mid 40s and jobs are
becoming fewer and fewer. I fear that I
will get to the point where I will not be
able to effectively provide for my family.
This brings us back to the respect
factor!!
I think I need the change too.
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jenjsmith
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Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 26
Posted: 08-25-05 23:21pm
Boy do I feel your pain. I was in a
marriage very much like yours. One day I
looked at my kids and asked myself is this
really what I want them growing up
thinking a marriage was like? Was this
how I wanted them to be treated or to
treat their spouse? The answer was no.
And I walked. That was 5 yrs ago. I left
my husband. Filed for divorce, went back
to school and found my self again. Today
I am about to graduate, I am remarried and
I had my 4th child this past december.
And me and my children are doing 100%
better. I now have a loving spouse and a
happy family. It's hard to walk away, but
you really need to look inside yourself.
Is this what you really want? Is it
healthy for you and your children? Do you
really believe it will get better? If the
answer is no then it's time to go.
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rainfalls
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Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 24 Location: minnesota
Run Fast Posted: 08-26-05 16:09pm
I hate saying that but sounds like she is
abusive, controlling with everything and
that is no way to live, and shows nothing
to your kids accept it is okay for mom to
treat dad like this, which then, your
girls will do it when they get older, or
sons will find someone like that when they
get older, the cycle continues.
Was your mom kinda like that? I am
playing dr here.
A happy daddy will be better for the
kids.
Do what you want, do what will make you
happy, this is what matters as selfish as
it sounds, as long as you arent beocming
like totally selfish, you know what I mean
hopefully.
Life is too short is really to true!
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bobbynz
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Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 8
It Is Hard to Walk Away Posted: 08-28-05 23:22pm
I dont know if you get conditioned or
what, but I find it really hard to make
that jump. Yes, it is an abusive,
controlling environment and I firmly
beleive that it will not get any better.
I do not want my kids to believe that this
is how marriage is. I can see that it is
already starting to affect my kids in
their attitude - especially in the last
12-18 months. My folks divorced when I
was 7, and this is part of the reason why
I find this difficult - I never wanted to
subject my kids to what I went through,
this is why I have endured it this long.
But now I see that if I prolong it, it
will only be worse for the kids. From
what I have read on this and other forums
it gets harder as they get older.
I too do hope that my actions are not
being selfish and this is why I have spent
a long time considering my options. I
believe I deserve more. I see it in
relationships around me and that is what I
want too. I was very happy to find this
forum and have been amazed at the replies
received. Thank you and keep them
coming.
I draw strenght on the responses that you
have sent me that when I do leave, I will
be doing the right thing.
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rainfalls
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Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 24 Location: minnesota
the Hardest Thing It Feels You Will Ever Do! Posted: 08-30-05 00:26am
Truly it is, I have been there. The
father of my girls and I were together for
about ten years. He was an alcoholic and
abusive in every way. Besides the
chaeting as well. I stuck around
thikning maybe he would grow up a little
as we were young, and also b/c I didnt
want my girls growing up without a dad.
My paresnt divrced as well when I was 10,
and that was the last of my dad. But for
me, watching the effect on my girls, and
myself as well, it jsut finally got to a
point where I was jsut done. I left and
started over. It wasnt easy at all.
You can see it in different ways with each
kid and how it affects them, and it starts
to ocme out more as things slowly hit
bottom, whether it be attitude or grades,
or not wanting to join anything
extracurricular at school.
The tnesion in my home left, and peace
became, and we are stil ltrying to heal
from it, but its effects I see with my
oldest specially, with her choices in b/f.
You will know what to do and decided
what is best for you, and you cant listen
to anyone else really, b/c only you know
best. Just way out options and etc...
Couple suggestions:
make sure you are taking care of yourself,
and not focusing on her.
Start focusing on you, what makes you
happy.
Hanging with guys, odoing something with
kids, palying poker one night, whatever it
is.
I would suggest counseling for you and the
kids as well, this will really make them
feel better, it did with my girls.
Even letting the school counseleor know as
well.
Maybe read some books or something about
codependant realtionships, or join alanon,
12 steps helped me, and gave me new tools
and skills for life. It isnt jsut for
people with an alcoholic, it is for anyone
in a dysfunctional realtionship.
Star t focusing on you, and dont get upset
if you cant decided to lave or stay, that
doesnt matter right now, put that in gods
hands. The decision will come in its own
time, and jsut plan on being happy with
her right now, hapy with yourself. Sorry
to go on an on, but this kind of stuff
really gets me going.... I hope you had a
good day and you feel better about
things!
Life is truly too short to be unhappy.!
Maybe figure out what it is your scared of
as well> like you msut be scared of
something if you were to leave, and also
why would you want yourself to stay being
treated like that? These are some
questions I asked myself.....
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bobbynz
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Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 8
When And Not If. Posted: 08-31-05 01:21am
I think I have come to realise that this
is not a long term relationship. For
three years we have been living away from
my wife's family on the west coast and
closer to mine, on the east coast. This
in itself has caused its own issues. Last
year she threatened to leave because of a
dispute with my mother. During the
incident she finally said that if living
in the city where we are now doesn't work
then she will go back home and leave me
(and putting a deadline of another two
years). I presumed this was because we
were finding it difficult to settle into a
new city and make new friends. Well in
one year things have not changed and
certainly not improved and here I am
making excuses again.
The one thing that is holding me back
about taking the job I mentioned is that
its in hawaii and I would not get to see
my kids that often. Probably a selfish
motive really.
One other thing did you ever find that the
abuse went in waves? One week was ok and
then the next was hell?
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rainfalls
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Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 24 Location: minnesota
Hello, Hope Your Doing Okay!!! Posted: 09-02-05 18:31pm
I do not think it is selfish to not want
to move to hawaii b/c of your kids.
Kids need their father, and around.
Believe me from not having one growing up,
as well as my girls. (he is around,
calls, but not really "there" for them
emotionally) not selfish at all, life
isnt about making more and more money, at
least not in my opinion.
And yes, most abusive realtionships are
all in waves, going from one day, to days,
to weeks getting along, then weeks not.
That is typical from what I have seen.
That is an aspect that makes it hard to
leave, it is like a false hope that the
person will change and you will live
happily ever after. So I am sure you
probably think if I do this then maybe, or
if I do this then maybe she will see type
thing, and I hate to say it but no matter
what you do or say it wont matter. She
has to see this for herself.
It sucks I know I am only going on six
months, and the first were hell. Now, I
am so much happier, my kids are and life
is looking so much better. But at times
it was hard to see.
Yoe feel as if you would rather just die,
then not be with them.
At least for me!
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bobbynz
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Joined: 21 Aug 2005 Posts: 8
Things Are Pulling Together Posted: 09-04-05 23:41pm
You know what I was never an abusive
husband, not in emotion or physical. I
was always there. I try to make the
weekends ours (but my wife always wants to
go somewhere - she hates it when we stay
at home). I have never strayed - or even
contemplated it. My only 'vice' is that
I am quiet, but she knew that before we
got married.
The job offer is not about making more
money or even where it is. It is about
having the first job offer in two years
and moving from the dead-end job I am in
now. The hardest part is that it will
effectively remove me from my kids lives
for a good portion of their growing up and
I only get to see them for holidays. But
you could always argue a small amount of
quality time is better than a large amount
of bad quantity time.
My question is, is that price worth the
emotional abuse I receive? At this point
I do not thinks so. I know kids survive,
they're more resiliant than we think and
they will probably grow up to be
outstanding adults. And I think they will
be happier and have more respect if the
time they spent with me is quality,
fulfilling and giving a different
viewpoint to life than their mothers.