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sandyallen

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Come Back Steen, Please! Posted: 08-25-05 20:53pm


Please allow steen to come back, he has not done or said anything worse than half of the other posters! He was able to put us back on track and most of us know, we need that! He was a better abortion debater than anyone here! Come back, come back, wherever you are steen! Otherwise we will have to change this forum to izzy's religious bible bul-roar and I can think of many other things to call this but I will not go there. Thanks very much!

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Posted: 08-26-05 13:08pm


Sandy, there has been nothing that can be described as debate on this forum in a long time. Why would steen want to come back? Debate implies structured, reasoned arguments, backed up by facts or at least logic. It doesn't consist of stating your opinions, however misguided or flat-out wrong they happen to be and, if challenged, saying, "well that's what I think, I have the right to my opinion, and you are all immoral and how could you do that to a widdle biddy baybeeeeee?" religious preaching isn't debate, claiming that gawd-will-provide isn't debate, and morons calling each other idiots isn't debate. There's absolutely no point to this forum at all, really -- except to keep the pro-natalists off the abortion support forum.

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Posted: 08-27-05 08:28am

jlee77 wrote:

what a bunch of crap you just wrote. A "widdle biddy baybeeeeee?"

i rest my case.

Izzy

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Posted: 08-27-05 08:57am


Jlee, she put that "widdle biddy baybeeeeee?" in her post, in order to get a rise out of you, so that she could pat herself on her back when you did and use her incitement to provoke you so that when you attacked what she said she coud use that as a "manipulated proof" that she is right. Well she is right, what she said is true... Look take what she said and put it on the other foot! "sandy, there has been nothing that can be described as debate on this forum in a long time. Why would steen want to come back?" that is very ture! "debate implies structured, reasoned arguments, backed up by facts or at least logic. It doesn't consist of stating your opinions, however misguided or flat-out wrong they happen to be and, if challenged, saying, "well that's what I think, I have the right to my opinion {your all immoral trying to force women to gestate}" you see she was describing themselves but hid it by trying to say it was us. It is so, ture. How can you converse with people who do not want to debate, take pcforme for example or others who refuse to accept that the unborn fetus is a human being, how can we converse with those who do not want to accept biological facts. How can you have a civil converstaion with someone who may accept a fetus as a living human being but does not give all human beings the right to be a person, how can we do that they see those who defend them as no more persons than the unborn child, pcforme alluded to that herself when she called christians no more than animals no jlee poopoopoo is right religious outreach is not debate, claiming that god will provide and forgive is not debate its the truth and the truth is not debatable and people insulting each other is not debate, but what can we do, how can we debate with such ignorant, self blinded people? "there's absolutely no point to this forum at all, really -- except to keep the pro-natalists off the abortion support forum." she is right again, there is no point to this forum exept that we go on the .N.O.W pro life abortion support forum, they have no right to dictate to us what is and is not support, religious outreach is support, ok I admit its not sidline cheering when someone exersises their so called "right to choose" the thing is christian outreach its about loving and offering forgivness and a renewed life, its not abouit saying killing your child is your right, you have nothing to feel guilty about, its about saying, you feel guilt because the love of god is in your heart, and he can forgive you. Christ does not offer them, indifference to their actions, he offers them forgivness and attonement for their actions because he loves them.

Izzy

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Posted: 08-27-05 12:30pm


"a fake pathetic christian gossiping" its biologicaly true, but you make your assertion without any proof. "if you wanted to debate, medical question nuts, you would realize that debate consists of opposing views" i dont want to debate, we have nothing to debate about, I have seen your fruits, I know your possition and I know you wont change it... So why debate, I am here to proclaim the truth of jesus christ! " I don't see a fetus as a person. You consider a fetus more important than the woman carrying it." that is a lie I consider both to be equal, for someone who seeks equality with men, perhaps you sholud stop being hypocritical and allow your children the equality they deserve as human beings, this is how to promote eqaulity not by superiority but equality. .

Izzy

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Posted: 08-27-05 20:00pm


"you can't give equal rights over one body to two entities" why not? Even for the whole of natural life, let alone nine months why not?

Izzy

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Posted: 08-27-05 20:43pm


"for the simple reason abortion exists... One entity doesn't want the other entity to live off it." but then isnt social security wrong since one body of people are living off another body of people? Never the less.... Why should the wants of one entity override the wants of another entity?

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Posted: 08-28-05 05:19am


"because it is one entities body" as far as I can see there are for a limited time two entities both with entirely differenet bodies, but both entities are sharing one bodies functions for a limited time, therefore what right do you have to claim ownership over a body when their are two entities using that body. You may have previously been the only occupier of that body, but now you are not, now there are for a limited time two entities occupy that body and who are you to say that, that body is yours and yours alone?

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Posted: 08-28-05 10:38am


Why is steen banned? I didn't see him do anything that should have got him banned, considering there are others still here who name-called and insulted, too.

Izzy

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Posted: 08-28-05 15:22pm


What makes you think the woman owns the uturus? What right does she have to claim ownership, I agree she is bestowed with the responsibility of the body but I cant agree she "ownes" the body as if your body is merely property

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Posted: 08-28-05 15:49pm


No as an entity who's job it is to look after the body, it would be wrong to force you to harm yourself, you do not own your body, god does and if he so chooses to create a little child in your body who are you to claim the child has no rights?

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Posted: 08-28-05 15:56pm


I think you will find that god is an imaginary creation for people who have no other meaning or purpose in life. This imaginary creation doesn't even own its own body, never mind mine. And last time I checked, it was sexual intercourse that resulted in pregnancy. You know that story about mary and the archangel gabriel? Ha ha joseph was a right mug!

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Posted: 08-28-05 16:11pm


How many times, I see no point in dabate with people like you, I either post the truth and say it is so, or I just try to rile you up so you can go about calling me names and using aggresive foul language, while I sit here laughing at how much I can manipulate you for my own enjoyment.

sandyallen

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Posted: 08-28-05 17:49pm


Izzy, no one is forcing you to debate! Just because you post and say it is the truth, it does not make it the truth. When I post something, I post out of experience, facts, you just like to ramble on and say nothing. I did not have to ask your god or your jesus for a hysterectomy, therefore, it makes it my body or I did not have to askyour master to get pregnant, he did not get me pregnant twice or should I say 5 times with 3 m/c, he had nothing to do with it, he did not plant the seeds or nothing but go ahead and lie and say he did. Go ahead posting your lame posts so it shows how you really are I get a big laugh at them.

sandyallen

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Posted: 08-28-05 19:42pm


I always have felt that it is pretty bad to twist and turn a religion turning the person that is using the religion into a hypocrite among other things, just to get their point across, kind of sad yet, kind of funny for those that want to believe it plus making these long drawn-out posts that are unnecessary, funny for some because we know it is garbage. That is why we have always felt that religion does not belong here and most have our own beliefs and there are other reasons too!

paganangel

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Posted: 08-29-05 00:24am

pcforme wrote:

jlee77 wrote:

can you imagine being

your son and knowing you didn't love him enough to breastfeed him? How sad!

can you imagine being pc's kids and being killed before you are born? How sad!

BrianBaby

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Posted: 08-29-05 16:46pm

pcforme wrote:

jlee77 wrote:

can you imagine being

your son and knowing you didn't love him enough to breastfeed him? How sad!

whoa....That's hittin a little below the belt...Don't ya think? How could you ever possibly measure the amount of love a mother has for her son by wether of not she breastfeeds.....

BrianBaby

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Posted: 08-29-05 17:10pm


I'm pro-life and I don't breast feed. I just had my son 3 weeks ago. I love him very very dearly..... Anywho...Hi! I'm jenna. I used to come on here alot, but months back I stopped. I was just checking by to see what was going on. What's your name?? Where are you from?? I see your obviously pro-choice...I am obviously pro-life. Nice to meet you! I probably won't stick around...

sandyallen

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Posted: 08-29-05 18:08pm


Congratulations and welcome back brianbaby, even though I am pro-choice their are only a few people on here that I do not communicate with! I really do not blame you for not sticking around this place has really changed for the worse, and it is a shame, it used to be kind of fun, the only reason I am still here is that it is kind of helping me with my neuro problem. Good luck to you and yours in the future!

BrianBaby

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Posted: 08-29-05 20:10pm

sandyallen wrote:

congratulations and welcome back brianbaby, even though I am pro-choice their are only a few people on here that I do not communicate with!

I really do not blame you for not sticking around this place has really changed for the worse, and it is a shame, it used to be kind of fun, the only reason I am still here is that it is kind of helping me with my neuro problem. Good luck to you and yours in the future!

thanks sandy....Ya, I can definitly see this place has really gotten much worse. Good luck to you too!!!

Let me just say this as a general statement. I love my son [bold]very[/b] much. I will not explain my reasons for not breastfeeding however, by not doing it, does not diminish any amount of love I have for him. And just to make it clear, I never have and never will try to "force" any woman against her will. Being pro-life dosn't meen I walk around shoving my views down other peoples throat. No. Well, anywho....Guess thats the last of me here! See ya later everyone!