I know you truly believe this mass inside
of you is a baby and you know that some of
us here don't believe the same. If you
could just for a moment hear me out. What
if that mass inside of you isn't a baby
what if it's something more serious, or
the beginnings of something more serious?
You are so intent on it being a baby that
you can see no other option as a
possibility. And why won't you let them
test you for cushings disease? If they're
wrong they're wrong but what if they're
right? Being pregnant is not as painful
as you are describing. I have had three
children, complications with two including
bed rest and numerous tests and problems.
Yes there were aches and pains. But
nothing I would describe as excrutiating
aside from the labor. I'm a very small
woman and had a lot of growing to do for
my babies and still nothing like the pain
you're describing. If it ends up you are
pregnant then I will be happy for you but
I worry that you are unwilling to allow
them to test you for and are unwilling to
consider that anythig else might be wrong.
Your health should a high priority, what
if you are pregnant and there is something
else going on. Wouldn't you want to
know?
I still agree with the dr's that you
aren't pregnant and i'm sorry if that
hurts your feelings I only hope that you
see all the specialists and take all the
tests you can until you find what the real
source of your pain is.
Best wishes truly.
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Re: Worried Posted: 02-25-06 03:44am
ssparklers26
wrote:
i know you truly believe
this mass inside of you is a baby and you
know that some of us here don't believe
the same. If you could just for a
moment hear me out. What if that mass
inside of you isn't a baby what if it's
something more serious, or the beginnings
of something more serious? You are so
intent on it being a baby that you can see
no other option as a possibility. And
why won't you let them test you for
cushings disease? If they're wrong
they're wrong but what if they're right?
Being pregnant is not as painful as you
are describing. I have had three
children, complications with two including
bed rest and numerous tests and problems.
Yes there were aches and pains. But
nothing I would describe as excrutiating
aside from the labor. I'm a very small
woman and had a lot of growing to do for
my babies and still nothing like the pain
you're describing. If it ends up you
are pregnant then I will be happy for you
but I worry that you are unwilling to
allow them to test you for and are
unwilling to consider that anythig else
might be wrong. Your health should a
high priority, what if you are pregnant
and there is something else going on.
Wouldn't you want to know?
I still agree with the dr's that you
aren't pregnant and i'm sorry if that
hurts your feelings I only hope that you
see all the specialists and take all the
tests you can until you find what the real
source of your pain is.
Best wishes
truly.
i have been tested for all kinds of stuff.
And read up on abdominal pregnancy--it
is painful. And it is nothing like
regular pregnancy. I have been pregnant
10 different times, so I know what it is
to be pregnant.
I am not offended by your response, but I
have explored other options, and like I
say--everything comes back excellant.
Even things that were bad before this
pregnancy.
I have been in horrible pain, and cant
even sit up straight anywhere. I cant
drive, or sit in dr office and I have been
down there 10 times since dec 28th. For
nothing. So I leave it in .God's hands
---period.
I was also tested for cortisol--negative,
so they wanna do 24 hours to check again.
I don like to keep pee in my fridge--and
they did the quick test for it. I just
dont see the point--if they dont wanna
help me find this baby--i have no more
time for them.
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Clambake
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Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 40
Posted: 02-28-06 12:46pm
I hope you are able to get the help you so
desperately need in dealing with the fact
that you had a hysterectomy and can no
longer bear children.
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
You must be 36 + weeks by now...Do you
have any new pics?
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Clambake
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Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 40
Posted: 02-28-06 13:36pm
Look, if you are so far along, people
don't want to see proof of other's
adominal pregnancy, they want to see proof
of yours.
At your stage, the babies should have been
found. No ultrasound is going to miss
4-5lb twins in your abdomen. The links
you gave to other stories at your point of
pregnancy said that the doctors missed the
fact that the pregnancy was not
interuterine not that the women were not
pregnant altogether. The babies showed up
on the ultrasound and the mother had a
positive hgc.
All of your *pregnancy* symptoms are
created by your intense desire to be
pregnant even though you are not. You
need psychological help to help you deal
with your infertility.
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 02-28-06 14:08pm
This did not come from an intense desire
to have a baby. I did not ask for
this---when .God told me .He would do this
for me--i had a baby--and my tubes
were tied. Wasnt wanting a baby anytime
in the near future. I have never asked
for it, never been on my knees begging for
it. And I have not sit around obsessing
about having a baby. I had a .Promise
.God told me 18 years ago this past
june--i would have a miracle baby---.He
reminded me again in a dream this last
june. (exactly 18 years later--to the
month) I ovulated the beginning of
july.(i know when I ovulate and have
noticed for over 10 years--the "middle
pains") I am now 35.3 weeks pregnant.
And for whatever reason .God has, I have
not received medical confirmation yet.
i do not
need confirmation from man anyway--i have
confirmation from .God. man is
fallible--.God is not!!
But I have proof for myself. Like...The
first u/sound I was in "luteal phase" of
my cycle. And this was 5 weeks after
ovulation---although .Dr's did not
recognize it as such. In the abdominal
u/sound at 27 weeks---i seen a little
heart beating---although the tech did not
see it---and it is not in any of the
pictures. In the pelvic u/sound ---i
did not look like that at all in the 5
weeks past gestation pics, although the
dr's never even compared the 2 after
repeated attempts to get him to at least
look at the other u/sound. I see all
kinds of white matter in my abdominal and
pelvic u/sound--i even see what looks like
a umbilical cord in a lot of the images.
My bladder appears squashed. My ovary
looks like it is squashed. And last but
not least---i have at least 15 abdominal
xrays. In them I appear exactly the
same ---in this new xray--on one side I
see a big shadow with the form of a baby.
On the other side I see what looks like
a leg---even asked the .Dr about it, ( he
says--yeah that is interesting--looks like
same material as my ribs) then a big
smudge like when taking a picture and
someone moves--it smudges the image. It
is smudged on that whole side. And then
me and hubby came home and looked at my
other images(xrays) and it is not even the
same at all. Just like the 5 weeks
u/sound and the 28 weeks u/sound. Not
even looking like me at all. Totally
different. So you explain all of
this.????? You can't. My story holds
a lot more water than the false pregnancy
story. I have sought out alternatives
to make sure I am correct and none of them
fit me at all. And why would I imagine
intense pains and discomfort.
And the first page is about abdominal
pregnancy after hysterectomy---while you
say I cant. Second is proof in the
pictures of something in my body--first up
by my rib--at 10.5 weeks--and then in the
center of my abdomen 5 minutes later.
That is proof. Look at second link
again. That isnt cushing's disease.
It moved---proof in the images.
And I dont have to prove anything---.God
will do the proving when the time comes.
You have a right to not believe, but dont
say it is not possible--cuz it sure is
possible and has happened before. As
the first link states.
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 02-28-06 14:18pm
sammy001
wrote:
you must be 36 + weeks by
now...Do you have any new
pics?
no, hun--i havent taken more pictures but
I will, and add them soon. I am 35.3
weeks now.
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Clambake
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 40
Posted: 02-28-06 15:55pm
I explain all of that by first asking you
how are you qualified to interpret the
ultrasound images? Do you have any
sonographic training? If not, then how
can you really know what you are looking
at in terms of organs and their
conditions? You can see anything you want
to see if you stare at something long
enough.
I had an ultrasound at nearly 6 weeks.
You could see the obvious outline of
gestational sac and just barely the fetal
pole. In the weeks to come, the fetus
became very obvious. At 12 weeks, it was
larger, however still not large enough to
even go flying around my uterus let alone
around an abdomen as you claim to have
seen at 10 weeks. By 20 weeks, it would
no longer fit on one screen and there was
nothing to interpret about it. It was a
fetus. You could see clearly the skull,
spinal cord, the heart beating in its
chest. It wasn't some smudges or squished
up organs. Even in the ultrasound pics of
the late term abdominal pregnancies you
have on your site have extremely clear
pictures of an obvious fetus. The fact
that your supposed pregnancy is abdominal
can't explain the fact that the ultrasound
can't pick it up. It is obvious that it
can if it was there this late in the game.
Twins would be even more difficult to
conceal. Add to this that there is no
positive hgc test. Two placentas should
be producing more than enough of this
hormone to be picked up by now. Contrary
to what you may believe, your story holds
extremely little water in the light of
these facts.
The pains and discomfort are either a)
completely psychosomatic because you want
to believe that you are pregnant so bad or
b) from a non-pregnancy related disorder.
The very fact that you refuse to believe
the doctors when they tell you you are not
pregnant and show you evidence of that is
what makes true pseudocyesis the likely
case. The other point that you claim to
hear god speaking to you and that he has
chosen you to do something for him does
not do anything to bolster your case that
you are not suffering from somekind of
psychological disorder.
The pictures that you have shown of
whatever this is you have claimed moved, I
really don't see it. You could have
wobbled around your belly for all I know
yourself. In addition, I don't really see
any difference in your pregnancy pictures
in general.
If you really had nothing to prove then
you would not have created a website
devoted to this fantasy of yours or spend
your time on this forum trying to convince
others of it. I really think all of this
comes from your inability to deal with the
fact that you had a hysterectomy that
brought an end to your fertility. Instead
of properly mourning it and moving on, you
created a fantasy world in which god
supposedly talked to you and told you he
would work a fertility miracle for you.
You really need some serious psychological
evaluation. I am not saying that to be
mean. I am just calling it like I see it.
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 02-28-06 17:21pm
Think what you want---but I know my .God
promised me something and .He is faithful
and just to perform that which .He has
spoken. ".Be it unto me as thou hast
spoken, not my will but thine be done"
i am not a radiologist---but I know what I
see---and I have research it, and
constantly compared it to my other images.
I have like 100 films of myself for
the last 5 years. I have them in my
posession---
as far as the luteal phase I seen this on
the internet, on my daughters u/sound.
And I look more pregnant than she did.
And she had 2 baby's in there one on her
ovary--one in her uterus. Dr's missed
the one in her uterus and killed it by
killing the ovarian pregnancy. I have
also seen women as far along as I was in
my u/sound image that looked just like
what I had on my ovary at 5 weeks
gestation--and they called theirs a
baby--but mine wasnt???? It is a man's
interpretation. And you can go in for
the same test 10 times and get 10
different opinions. They are wrong
most of the time---schooled or not.
That is why I now have damage to my
heart--cuz they failed. This is why my
nerves in my whole body are messed
up--from a multiple injury back
condition--because they failed. This
is why my son will never see his little
baby--or baby's--until heaven--cuz they
failed. Dont tell me about their
knowledge it is nothing to me. I have
the wisdom from .God---which means nothing
to you, maybe---but to me it is all there
is---books with vast knowledge or no books
with knowledge. .God and .His wisdom is
all I need.
Quote:
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if you really had
nothing to prove then you would not have
created a website devoted to this fantasy
of yours or spend your time on this forum
trying to convince others of it. I
really think all of this comes from your
inability to deal with the fact that you
had a hysterectomy that brought an end to
your fertility. Instead of properly
mourning it and moving on, you created a
fantasy world in which god supposedly
talked to you and told you he would work a
fertility miracle for you. You really
need some serious psychological
evaluation. I am not saying that to be
mean. I am just calling it like I see
it.
i made a website because this is a medical
anomally at the least. It will all be
documented one day---but until then, I
want to share--if that is okay with you.
""yeah, I held onto this false hope for
18 years--living a depressed and unable to
cope existance for 18 years because I lost
my uterus---.N.O"" I was 25(when I lost
my uterus) and believe me I have had much
better things to do. .He told me--.He
was giving me this gift. I didnt sit
around --cry and grovel for 18
years--begging for something I cant have.
I had my tubes tied 20 years ago.
That dont even make sense--think about
what you are saying.
And .God does speak to me--and would speak
to anyone---if they would just listen.
I listened and believed. That is
all--that is it. ".God said it I
believed it, period"
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
and you can go in
for the same test 10 times and get 10
different opinions. They are wrong most
of the time---schooled or not.
if doctors were wrong the vast majority of
the time, no one would bother to go. You
have to admit that if 10 different doctors
tell you you are not pregnant, then any
sane person has to admit there has to be
something to that. The fact that you
cannot accept any reasonable form of
evidence that the doctors provide for you
that you are not pregnant very much
suggests that you are in a deep form of
denial. The doctors have been more than
patient with you, I would say. They have
looked you over for this pregnancy mostly
as you have suggested and they cannot find
it. At 35 weeks, the fetuses can't hide
even from the most incompetent of doctors
or sonographers. They would just be far
too big.
You can keep telling me until you are blue
in the face that you never cared about
wanting another child or have completely
gotten over your hysterectomy, however
your behavior on this forum points daftly
in the other direction. The fact that god
supposedly told you around the time that
you got the hysterecotomy that you were
going to have another child and you
believed that strongly puts a nail in the
coffin of your claim to have properly
dealt with it. The fact is that you have
never properly dealt with this, rather
lived in a world of denial waiting for the
day god would fufill his promise of
another pregnancy to you. When that never
happened, you eventually just invented
one. Problem is that you believe your own
pregnancy fantasy so much that your body
is reacting to it by creating fake
pregnancy symptoms which add more fuel to
the denial fire.
You can post all the proof of abdominal
pregnancy you want. None of what you
posted makes what you are saying any more
plausible. As other people have pointed
out, the doctors in these cases totally
aknowledged the fact that there was a
pregnancy, they had just misplaced where
it was in the body. You have yet to show
a case that proves your particular
situation can happen, that the doctors
could just totally miss a late term
abdominal pregnancy and that a positive
hcg never was obtained.
As for what happened to your daughter, in
cases of ectopic pregnancy a
pseduogestational sac can form in the
uterus. It may have never been a viable
pregnancy. You cannot compare your
ultrasound pictures to her's or anyone
elses' without the proper training on how
to interpret them. I am sure a lot of
cysts probably do look like gestational
sacs. I could not tell you because I have
no idea how to interpret an ultrasound.
All I can tell you is I know when I see a
fetus when I see it. It is unmistakeable,
even to the untrained eye. At this point,
what you saw at 5 weeks is no longer
relevant. 30 weeks later, there should be
an obvious baby looking mass in your
picture.
I know you keep saying that you don't care
what doctor's think and that they are
fallible, but the fact remains that you
spend a lot of your time obviously looking
for validation from the medical community
of your situation. You have gone to many
different doctors. You have googled about
all there is to be googled about what you
believe to be your case. You come on this
forum hoping to hear from others in the
same situation. Doesn't seem to compute
with you not caring what others think.
You obviously do.
You are man. You are fallible. What
makes you believe that god really spoke to
you? It could have all been in your head.
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 03-01-06 11:26am
First--you cannot tell me whether .God
spoke to me or not---how arrogant of you.
I heard the voice of .God.
And my daughter in law was pregnant they
found the baby in the sac 3 days after
they said there was no baby---3 days after
they administered methotrexate to kill the
abdominal pregnancy. So...How arrogant
again of you. I dont speak untruths.
My son lost 2 baby's that day. He will
not see until he gets to heaven.
I am not a stupid person---and I have
proof and evidence of my baby. Beside
the fact it moves all the time. I have
proof in all their suppossed negative
results-- I dont care what the .Dr's say,
they have failed me every turn, so dont
try and tell me they are perfect.
Talkin to the hand--
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Clambake
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 40
Posted: 03-02-06 03:56am
I never told you that god never spoke to
you. I am just following your logic about
the situation. If you don't believe the
doctors know what they are talking about
because they are men and fallible, how do
you know as a fallible man yourself that
you really know what you are talking about
when you say god spoke to you? Just a
simple question.
I never told you your daughter-in-law
never had a viable interuterine pregnancy.
I said that it was a possiblity it wasn't
because ectopic pregnancies occasionally
create pseduogestational sacs in the
uterus and that could have been what the
doctors saw. That is too bad about the
viable pregnancy, but I am sure there were
no other options even if they had known.
Ectopic pregnancies are extremely
dangerous. It is the leading cause of
death in the first trimester. Http://www.Emedicine
.Com/emerg/topic478.Htm . Not only
that, there is also the possiblity of the
loss of future fertility from the ruptured
tubes or organs. Infection can set in,
etc.
I never said the doctors were perfect, I
just said that any reasonable person would
have accepted by now the possiblity that
all of this was in their heads given the
lack of evidence from a diverse number of
doctors. The only evidence you have the
pregnancy is what your mind could have
made up for you. Sorry, but it just isn't
good enough evidence for the rest of us.
Like other people, i'd love to know what
your plans are if your due date comes and
goes with no babies. Will you c-section
yourself to try and find them? Will you
claim they died? Will you steal pics of
twins from other sites and try to pass
them off as your own? Will you kidnap
twins or kill a pregnant woman with twins
and try to pass them off as your own?
Don't laugh. You really do seem that
crazy to the rest of us if you are for
real.
As for talk to the hand, aren't you a just
a little too old to be saying such
immature things? You are what, 44-46?
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strange
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Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 1
Interesting Posted: 03-15-06 15:54pm
Interesting that all your links for
articles that "proove" your case refer to
ectopic pregnacies. Ectopic pregnancies
would not result in a live birth. Find
some new proof.
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Rodge
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Joined: 25 Feb 2006 Posts: 905 Location: , England, UK
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Posted: 03-15-06 18:04pm
Fatfamily, I was unbelievably glad to see
that you were the topic starter, and how
old this post is. For a moment there I
thought there were two of you, and my
heart just stopped.
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KITTYSAYS
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 3
Posted: 03-30-06 14:36pm
So I am curious about what will be
happening on april 1. With no uterus how
will the baby be delivered? Will you go
to the hospital and request a c section?
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QueenBee2_3
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 194 Location: CT U.S.
Posted: 03-30-06 15:15pm
kittysays
wrote:
so I am curious about what
will be happening on april 1. With no
uterus how will the baby be delivered?
Will you go to the hospital and request a
c section?
.Without a uterus, she won't go into labor
so it's all about "knowing" when the right
time to go will be. I'm thinking she's
going to have to go to an er where they
don't know her so that when she says she's
in labor, they won't turn her away.
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wanna1more
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 2
Please Go to the Er Right Away Posted: 03-30-06 23:37pm
Abdominal pregnancy is rare, but it does
happen and the resulting infants can be
born healthy and full term. This is
going to sound worse than I mean it but
think of an embryo as a parasite. The
developing embryo will attach itself to
any organ that has a healthy blood supply,
even if it's at the cost of that organ.
The main objective of the embryo is to
grow, the placenta will create whatever
network of veins it has to to accomplish
this task. If you live in a small town,
it is possible that your doctors have not
heard of, or seen this condition. Also,
if you immediately go into the office and
speak of god's intervention in your
pregnancy, you're likely to be dismissed
as being a bit fruity when you could
possibly have a very real medical
condition that is being overlooked.
I saw the x-ray and I have to say, it's
compelling enough to insist on an
ultrasound series. Please go to the er,
do not bring up god (god and medicine
sometimes don't mix) and let them take a
look at you.