Another Perspective

Now I like this post.. I myself will not say that I am against or for abortion because I feel like I am a hypricate becuase I have had an abortion.. So to answer this post I dont agree with people having an abortion but I cant condem them because I myself has had one. But this is how I feel..

I feel that having an abortion is wrong because you are killing someone. Regardles of how other people feel about not being able to raise that child and etc. I look at it this way.. What if every women decided not to have any children and decided to get abortions everytime she got pregnant. What would happen to the human society?? There would no longer be a society because people where choosing not to have children. I think that an abortion is an easy way out of responsibilities.. And the excuse that some people have about money and etc. Thats just another excuse and lazyness.. There are all types of programs in out society that will help. No it might not be the best, but it will help. What else are peoples tax money really going to?? I just think that it is wrong in all aspects to homicide or kill..

Thanks for the post tazzy, I am sure no one here thinks your a hypocrit for trying to protect human life even though you have had an abortion.

Is it forbidden for the light to enter?

And now that you see the light you can testify about the light, even though you were in darkness before.

Like myself I realise that I was in darkness before, and I have seen some dark places but now I have seen the light I testify to the light, it dosnt make me a hypocrit it makes me knowlegable about the light because I have seen it and I try to become a becon of that light for others who walk in darkness even though I fail I try and you too in you own way are doing the same, your not a hypocrit your trying to be a testimony to the truth!

The light I now do see.. I dont go to church or anything like that.. My family is catholics and some are baptist but I do know right from wrong, and I do know how it feels to go through the procedure called (abortion)..
It is not easy for all.. For some people it doesnt fase them what so ever and for others its as if you ripped there heart from right under there skin.. And society should prevail the truth about both sides not just a one sided procedure

Okay, time for a pro-choice post...

Abortion is fundamentally linked to women's rights, but i'll try to separate it from them for just a few moments. Our society is entering an age where it is becoming more logical as to what is best for the masses. As a species, we no longer have a fear of going extinct, so it's not as if we have to make sure every woman gives birth to five children.

Every woman does not decide to have an abortion every time she has a child. I propose an opposite question: whar if every woman decided to have as many children as possible? Our land would become hopelessly overpopulated, like deer.

I think that in a society that is so focused on freedom, that it is intrinsically wrong to deny people the freedoms of what we are as humans. That sounds animalistic, but remember that the society I am talking about is one not connected to "god" on a deep level. There is a great number of people that are not christian in this country, or who say they are, but who are far more liberal that what the bible preaches.

Fundamentalism has been seeping into our government as of late; it is to be expected, what with the fears of war and death and destruction. But what I fear is a society that swings too far to the right; and we as a people begin to lose our hard-fought freedoms.

Abortion is a right, it is a freedom. It is a logical choice comparing one life against another. Are we not mature enough as a race to decide the worthiness of something that is not fully yet developed?

Izzy, let me actually reply to your request. You asked for pro-choice people to list the benefits abortion has on society.
Teens having babies: allowing abortions, gives teens the options to stay committed to school without having to deal with more "adult" responsibilities, it allows our children of the future to educate themselves properly and do more with their lives.
Lower "class: generally the "lower class" cannot afford multiple children, allowing women of such class the choice to have an abortion saves society the costs of welfare. We as citizens pay for each child that is on welfare, the food they eat, the clothes they wear, the presents they receive b/c their parent(s) cannot. By allowing abortion, it makes it easier on these families and return makes it easier on society.
Druggies: allowing abortion, helps prevent children being born into the world of an addict, possibly being addicted themselves. Allowing them the choice for abortion benefits society from having to pay the medical costs of such a child, long term medical care of such a child, possible foster care costs, and even "orphanage" costs, though most are privately funded there are still some state institutions.
Having the choice of abortion or not benefits society b/c it says that "yes we are still free and we're not completely dictated" it allows us to have some control over what goes on in our lives.

Shoneen,

those are some good points and a good debate.. And I do agree with what you are saying....
But then the question comes in with poverty the way it is today and how much food, clothing, medical and etc. And just the cost of living itself.. No one would ever want a child.. People would be in so much debt all by themselves without even having a child..

What about the middle-class and upper class people? There are a lot of them, and they have the money to raise a child.

There are those that work, that strive to do the best that they can just for themselves, that does not mean that they should not be allowed a child b/c they technically cannot afford one, but it would make sense if they didn't have 10 knowing that one cost them so much as it is. I am not against helping those that need help, but you also run into those people that don't work, that refuse to work and use their children to survive, it is in those cases that abortion would benefit society.

So I guess people shouldnt get the eic on there taxes then either because they get that becuase of there children.. So in that case because they have a child they get more money.. Verses a person who works hard everyday and because they dont have children they cant claim the eic..
So that is using children to survive as well correct

"okay, time for a pro-choice post... "

mine was a pro choice post.


"abortion is fundamentally linked to women's rights"

and .homicide linked to .homicide.E.R.S rights?

Sorry - they are one and the same!

Actually womens rights fundememntally speaking was and is opposed to abortion from its very founders, infact the fundemental feminist movemnet sees it as a tool for enslaving women to be nothing more than sexual slaves for men, I have to agree!

"our society is entering an age where it is becoming more logical as to what is best for the masses"

so its better to keep abortion legal in a 76% christian country where the masses vote for abortion to be made ilegal - makes sense!

Then of course there is the masses of preborn children I guess killing them is best for them, but then again there is the masses of money generated from abortion - makes sense.

"as a species, we no longer have a fear of going extinct, so it's not as if we have to make sure every woman gives birth to five children."

that is a highley inflamatory statement, I suspect used to goad pro lifers into another "slanging match" 1st of all before it was ilegal no one was "making sure every woman has five children" and no one is trying to "make sure women have five children" by making it ilegal again, its a ludicris claim, unsubstantuated and complete bollocks!

I therefore ask to be treat with a little respect, and you remove such delibarate over the top extremist scaremongering from you posts.

"every woman does not decide to have an abortion every time she has a child. "

i dont think she should have an abortion anytime she has a child.

"what if every woman decided to have as many children as possible? Our land would become hopelessly overpopulated, like deer."

then it would be her choice - would it not?


"i think that in a society that is so focused on freedom, that it is intrinsically wrong to deny people the freedoms of what we are as humans."

agreed it is intrinsically wrong - evil in fact to deny huamns the right to life.

"remember that the society I am talking about is one not connected to "god"

so what society are you talking about?

An imaginary one, we live in the real world, in a real society that is now, here and I dont want this to go off on some thread on personal utopias "in my world we eat hair lice for tea" fact of the matter is.... We live in a christianised socety, it is the very basis of socety, in order to destroy that basis we would need to destroy the whole fabric that makes up society, are you willing to destroy everything your country stands for? - what right have you to force your morality on 76% of the population that is christian - no right what so ever! - what right have they to force it on you - thats democracy tuts!

"abortion is a right, it is a freedom."

for the child?

"it is a logical choice comparing one life against another"

no one wants to make abortion where the mothers life is in danger, to compair 9 months of slight inconvienience to be worth more than a whole life - is completely and totally wrong!

"are we not mature enough as a race to decide the worthiness of something that is not fully yet developed?"

let me correct that revisionist language for you

"are we not responsible enough as human beings to decide the worthiness of some other human beings who are not yet fully grown?

Anyone who is mature or responsible will see with all clarity the immaturity and irrisponsiblity of deciding which human beings are worthy of life, you have no right to decide that I am not worthy of life and you have no right to tell me I was not worthy of life when I was only a small unborn child.

"teens having babies: allowing abortions, gives teens the options to stay committed to school without having to deal with more "adult" responsibilities, it allows our children of the future to educate themselves properly and do more with their lives."

it takes away the responsibility of sexual intercourse increasing the likelyhood of teens engaging in pedophilic sex, increasing the chance they will get pregnant, increasing the chance they will kill someone.

"lower "class: generally the "lower class" cannot afford multiple children, allowing women of such class the choice to have an abortion saves society the costs of welfare."

"by allowing abortion, it makes it easier on these families and return makes it easier on society"

strange I see no reductions in my national insurance.

Children grow up to replenish the work force what little the government may pockett at our expense due to abortion will in the long run be either more expensive for the government or more likley for us (no pensions) - of course euthinasia is "sorting" that problem out!

As far as making it easier for the family 80 odd % of families that have had an abortion ends in divorce or seperation or some other resulting problems, thats not making it eaiser on families at all.


"druggies: allowing abortion, helps prevent children being born into the world of an addict, possibly being addicted themselves."

better to be killed than be an addict?


"allowing them the choice for abortion benefits society from having to pay the medical costs of such a child, long term medical care of such a child, possible foster care costs, and even "orphanage" costs, though most are privately funded there are still some state institutions."

this is why I pay my national insurance, to help those less fortunate - they are part of society too and killing them is not the answer.

"having the choice of abortion or not benefits society b/c it says that "yes we are still free and we're not completely dictated" it allows us to have some control over what goes on in our lives."

on whos lives, the chidls?

I am not saying all people do that, use their children to receive money, but there are those out there that do, I live in a town where people use their relatives so that they can get more assistance. That does not mean that it's everywhere. We're getting off the topic here though. I was simply emplying what I felt were the benefits of abortion being legal.

Actually I think she would rather see the woman in prison for killing her child not having sex, no one is forcing the woman to have or not to have sex, no one is forcing the woman to have or not have a child, we simply want to prevent her from killing a child.

Because there is a child being harmed when there is abortion if there was not a child being harmed I wouldnt be bothered, infact I would be pro abortion.

So you feel tax dollars would best be spent on a drug addicted pregnant woman and her drug addicted infant and all the issues and any other issues that may come along with it, rather then just taking care of it at the beginning?

A child just like an adult can be detoxed.. Why take the life from the child just because the mother has made a mistake.. So take the childs life for the parents mistake.. No the parents life should be taken... And as far as the tax dollars go.. The state has drug programs and etc. That they pay for everyday atleast it is going to a child who we as a society can make better

"so you feel tax dollars would best be spent on a drug addicted pregnant woman and her drug addicted infant and all the issues and any other issues that may come along with it, rather then just taking care of it at the beginning"


if by saying "just taking care of it at the beginning" you mean killing it while the law allows then I have to say yes it is better spent on the poor and unfortunate, on those who are the least of christs brethren, yes lets help them rather than "take care" or kill them.

Well you go for it. I would much rather spend my tax dollars on something else, something that couldn't have been prevented.

Like what bombs and guns?

I do not agree with boms and guns, yes I would use the money for something like passing out contraception at schools and other things along those lines. I'm sorry I just feel any woman should have the right to have an abortion, and if they are drug addicted or something else along those lines then the more power to them that have the sense to abort it. I do not see it as killing, nor do I see it as harmful, I see it as benefit. In instances such as that.