Eiri the obvious difference between an
abortion and a car wreck is that the woman
chooses the abortion, the wreck is not
chosen (unless of course someone is
committing suicide). The person hurt
in a wreck may not be the "at-fault" party
and even if they were, it was
unintentional to wreck. With an
abortion, the woman chooses.
Sandy.....
Cancer, abortion. Unfair to compare
the two. Cancer is an evil killing
disease that nobody wishes for. The
abortion was chosen by an evil selfish
woman.
There are no comparisons between your
examples
ladies.
the woman didn't chose to get pregnant,
just as she didn't chose to crash. She
does chose to get medical help.
Some of use view the pregnancy as an evil
killing disease, killing off our old way
of life we've worked so hard to create.
Losing our lovers, our parents, our
friends, our chances for education, our
jobs. We become nothing but the carrier
being for this baby. It doesn't always
happen, but it can, and that is what we
wish to
avoid.
if you are old enough to chose to have sex
you should understand the possible
outcomes of sex.
If one views pregnancy the way that you
describe above why not get something done
about it? Ie..Tubal..Etc....
Jamie is
right.
because someday I might want a child, I
just don't want one now. If there was a
better way to prevent pregnancy (besides
abstinance!) I would do it, but right now
we're pretty much limited to the pill and
patch being the mot effective means of
contraception. Invent somthing new and
better, then cool, i'll take it, as long
as it's reversible! Tubal litigations
aren't exactly reversible, which is why
they don't do them to women my age.
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Posted: 11-03-05 11:03am
jlee77
wrote:
it kills a baby for a selfish
woman.
it removes an unwanted condition for
someone who doesn't see their sole purpose
on this earth as being an incubator.
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paganangel
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Jun 2005 Posts: 377 Location: VA
Posted: 11-03-05 11:41am
sandyallen
wrote:
they do not give tubals,
hysterectomies, etc, just because you do
not want kids due to the fact that you
might change your mind later and want
kids.
The reason I used cancer is because that
is in alot of ways how pregnant females
feel about it, it is something there that
is not wanted, so therefore it is similar
and correct. Just because you do not
think so, their are others that do.
There are many pregnant women that chose
abortion that are not evil or
selfish.
so were are you "reproductive rights" if
they won't do a tubal/hysterectomy on
demand? Why aren't you all health forum
and whining about that? So you can prove
that alot of women see pregnancy as
cancer? And fyi my aunt has colon cancer
and I think it's sick that you all would
even think of comparing the two. I take
her twice a week for treatments of a real
disease....Pregnancy is not a disease.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-03-05 11:59am
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
seeking medical assistance
for a car wreck only helps the victim.
An abortion helps nobody. Including
the woman. She will only suffer in the
end, unless of course she is a heartless
freak.
An abortion is not medical treatment.
It's a procedure. And abortion is not
treatment. Please don't make me repeat
myself again.
well then there sure are a lot of
heartless freaks out there, including my
mother. Thanks. The abortion helped
my mother keep her father, not get
disowned, and continue on with her life.
Laser eye treatment is also a
procedure... Wait, how odd. That has
both words in it. It is
a "procedure" to "treat" the problem of
eyesight.
Abortion is a "procedure" to "treat" the
problem of accidental
pregnancy.
i feel sadness for your mother because she
felt she needed to get the aboriton in
order to salvage her relationship with her
father. I could rant about the topic of
"disowning" but I won't. That is almost
as bad as killing your baby. Since she
had the abortion in fear of losing her
father, I look at that as forced. Do you
know if she would have kept the baby if it
was not for her father disowning her?
Shame on her father. No disrespect but I
would say that in any situation such as
this. I don't know him so I can't judge
him beyond this.
No, abortion does not "treat" the problem
of accidental pregnancy.
It kills a baby for a selfish
woman.
i told my mother a similar story, but my
point is, do you view her as heartless?
Or are there exceptions to the story? If
so, can those people have abortions? The
girl in danger of being disowned, the 13
year old rape victim, the woman who will
die if she gives birth... Do you allow
them abortions? If so, because you want
to make abortion illegal, you're going to
havee change its name in these cases.
It's not (according to you all) called
abortion when an ectopic pregnancy is
removed... So what would you call it in
these other cases? Remember, you can't
use the word "abortion", it's illegal in
your shiney little utopia.
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Tazzy D
Advanced Support Team
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 3718 Location: , va
Posted: 11-03-05 12:55pm
stillmehere
wrote:
tazzy d
wrote:
and neither do you, but you
proclaim that it is a womens right.. A
womens right to what
kill....
yup. Just as it is her right to eat
killed animal meat. To kill bacteria
and germs on her clothes/body. Her
body, her
right.
and it is our right to say that it is not
healthy just like anything else..
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Tazzy D
Advanced Support Team
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 3718 Location: , va
Posted: 11-03-05 13:18pm
stillmehere
wrote:
tazzy d
wrote:
and it is our right to say
that it is not healthy just like anything
else..
you can disagree with it all you want.
Don't like abortion? Don't have
one.
oh trust me I would never have one again..
But you on the other hand wouldnt care
because you are all for it
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 11-03-05 14:11pm
After my scare this week (some of you
know-lol) I lean more towards pro-choice
now. Sorry taz, jamie, fish and
m2t--still love ya'll but I think diff
now. Although it would have been for
health reasons if it had happened.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 11-03-05 14:27pm
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
after my scare this week
(some of you know-lol) I lean more
towards pro-choice now. Sorry taz,
jamie, fish and m2t--still love ya'll but
I think diff now. Although it would
have been for health reasons if it had
happened.
nooooooooo you gone over to the dark side
I am sure we can save you if we act quick
enough.Lol
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 11-03-05 19:13pm
cowboys
wrote:
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
after my scare this week
(some of you know-lol) I lean more
towards pro-choice now. Sorry taz,
jamie, fish and m2t--still love ya'll but
I think diff now. Although it would
have been for health reasons if it had
happened.
nooooooooo you gone over to the dark side
I am sure we can save you if we act quick
enough.Lol
save me!! Hehe
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Tazzy D
Advanced Support Team
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 3718 Location: , va
Posted: 11-03-05 19:20pm
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
after my scare this week
(some of you know-lol) I lean more
towards pro-choice now. Sorry taz,
jamie, fish and m2t--still love ya'll but
I think diff now. Although it would
have been for health reasons if it had
happened.
you dont need to say sorry.. That is your
choice/opinion..... But you know what
could happen... And I have saved you
lmao!!!
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Tylanas
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Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 12984
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Posted: 11-04-05 10:24am
tazzy d
wrote:
stillmehere
wrote:
tazzy d
wrote:
and neither do you, but you
proclaim that it is a womens right.. A
womens right to what
kill....
yup. Just as it is her right to eat
killed animal meat. To kill bacteria
and germs on her clothes/body. Her
body, her
right.
and it is our right to say that it is not
healthy just like anything
else..
it's your individual right to say that
you dissaprove of it, but
just as vegetarians can't enforce their
beliefs upon america, neither can you.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-04-05 10:38am
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
seeking medical assistance
for a car wreck only helps the victim.
An abortion helps nobody.
Including the woman. She will only
suffer in the end, unless of course she is
a heartless freak.
An abortion is not medical treatment.
It's a procedure. And abortion is
not treatment. Please don't make me
repeat myself
again.
well then there sure are a lot of
heartless freaks out there, including my
mother. Thanks. The abortion
helped my mother keep her father, not get
disowned, and continue on with her life.
Laser eye treatment is also a
procedure... Wait, how odd. That
has both words in it. It
is a "procedure" to "treat" the problem of
eyesight.
Abortion is a "procedure" to "treat" the
problem of accidental
pregnancy.
i feel sadness for your mother because she
felt she needed to get the aboriton in
order to salvage her relationship with her
father. I could rant about the topic
of "disowning" but I won't. That is
almost as bad as killing your baby.
Since she had the abortion in fear of
losing her father, I look at that as
forced. Do you know if she would have
kept the baby if it was not for her father
disowning her? Shame on her father.
No disrespect but I would say that in any
situation such as this. I don't know
him so I can't judge him beyond this.
No, abortion does not "treat" the problem
of accidental pregnancy.
It kills a baby for a selfish
woman.
i told my mother a similar story, but my
point is, do you view her as heartless?
Or are there exceptions to the story?
If so, can those people have abortions?
The girl in danger of being disowned, the
13 year old rape victim, the woman who
will die if she gives birth... Do you
allow them abortions? If so, because
you want to make abortion illegal, you're
going to havee change its name in these
cases. It's not (according to you all)
called abortion when an ectopic pregnancy
is removed... So what would you call it
in these other cases? Remember, you
can't use the word "abortion", it's
illegal in your shiney little
utopia.
no, I don't view her as heartless.
Yes, there are exceptions I have explained
before, maybe you have not heard my
exceptions.
Rape: I used to believe woman in rape
situations should have the option of
abortion (i'm talking as if it were
illegal for scenario's sake), but after
careful consideration, I don't believe so.
The baby did not ask to be conceived out
of rape, just like with every pregnancy,
it is innocent and should bare no
consequences. I feel rape victims that
are not willing or ready to be mothers
should have every bit of help available to
them in adopting the child to a sane, good
family. Counseling should be provided.
Woman whose life in in danger: I will be
honest, i'm unsure.
Woman afraid of being disowned: I don't
feel abortion should be legal with this
either. If a parent wants to disown her
she is better off w/o them anyhow.
That's the hard cold "heartless sounding"
way to put it, but it's the truth.
Parents that disown their children should
be beaten.
so it would have been better for my mother
to give birth to the child out of wedlock,
lose her praents and all monetary support
she'd had for college, never be able to go
home, her child would never have had
grandparents, and do you honestly think a
single mother can get through college full
time? The guy supposedly said he would
have married her, but who knows if that
would have actully happened.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 11-04-05 10:38am
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
after my scare this week
(some of you know-lol) I lean more
towards pro-choice now. Sorry taz,
jamie, fish and m2t--still love ya'll but
I think diff now. Although it would
have been for health reasons if it had
happened.
nooooooooo you gone over to the dark side
I am sure we can save you if we act quick
enough.Lol
save me!!
Hehe
i'm on my way we can deprogram you im sure
lol.Anyway you would still be a friend
even if you had of had to lil.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 11-04-05 10:51am
jlee77
wrote:
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
after my scare this week
(some of you know-lol) I lean more
towards pro-choice now. Sorry taz,
jamie, fish and m2t--still love ya'll but
I think diff now. Although it would
have been for health reasons if it had
happened.
you would have had an
abortion?
don't know but at least I did have the
option to think about it. It would be
extremelly dangerous for me if I had been
because of being post partum still and the
c-sec. But luckily I don't have to make
that choice as af came!!!!!
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Tazzy D
Advanced Support Team
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 3718 Location: , va
Posted: 11-05-05 18:55pm
eiri
wrote:
tazzy d
wrote:
stillmehere
wrote:
tazzy d
wrote:
and neither do you, but you
proclaim that it is a womens right..
A womens right to what
kill....
yup. Just as it is her right to eat
killed animal meat. To kill bacteria
and germs on her clothes/body. Her
body, her
right.
and it is our right to say that it is not
healthy just like anything
else..
it's your individual right to say that
you dissaprove of it, but
just as vegetarians can't enforce their
beliefs upon america, neither can
you.
why not it was forced upon mcdonalds
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Tazzy D
Advanced Support Team
Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 3718 Location: , va
Posted: 11-05-05 19:02pm
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
seeking medical assistance
for a car wreck only helps the victim.
An abortion helps nobody.
Including the woman. She will only
suffer in the end, unless of course she is
a heartless freak.
An abortion is not medical treatment.
It's a procedure. And abortion is
not treatment. Please don't make me
repeat myself
again.
well then there sure are a lot of
heartless freaks out there, including my
mother. Thanks. The abortion
helped my mother keep her father, not get
disowned, and continue on with her life.
Laser eye treatment is also a
procedure... Wait, how odd.
That has both words in it. It
is a "procedure" to "treat" the problem of
eyesight.
Abortion is a "procedure" to "treat" the
problem of accidental
pregnancy.
i feel sadness for your mother because she
felt she needed to get the aboriton in
order to salvage her relationship with her
father. I could rant about the topic
of "disowning" but I won't. That is
almost as bad as killing your baby.
Since she had the abortion in fear of
losing her father, I look at that as
forced. Do you know if she would have
kept the baby if it was not for her father
disowning her? Shame on her father.
No disrespect but I would say that in
any situation such as this. I don't
know him so I can't judge him beyond this.
No, abortion does not "treat" the problem
of accidental pregnancy.
It kills a baby for a selfish
woman.
i told my mother a similar story, but my
point is, do you view her as heartless?
Or are there exceptions to the story?
If so, can those people have abortions?
The girl in danger of being disowned, the
13 year old rape victim, the woman who
will die if she gives birth... Do you
allow them abortions? If so, because
you want to make abortion illegal, you're
going to havee change its name in these
cases. It's not (according to you all)
called abortion when an ectopic pregnancy
is removed... So what would you call
it in these other cases? Remember, you
can't use the word "abortion", it's
illegal in your shiney little
utopia.
no, I don't view her as heartless.
Yes, there are exceptions I have explained
before, maybe you have not heard my
exceptions.
Rape: I used to believe woman in rape
situations should have the option of
abortion (i'm talking as if it were
illegal for scenario's sake), but after
careful consideration, I don't believe so.
The baby did not ask to be conceived
out of rape, just like with every
pregnancy, it is innocent and should bare
no consequences. I feel rape victims
that are not willing or ready to be
mothers should have every bit of help
available to them in adopting the child to
a sane, good family. Counseling should
be provided.
Woman whose life in in danger: I will be
honest, i'm unsure.
Woman afraid of being disowned: I don't
feel abortion should be legal with this
either. If a parent wants to disown her
she is better off w/o them anyhow.
That's the hard cold "heartless sounding"
way to put it, but it's the truth.
Parents that disown their children should
be beaten.
so it would have been better for my mother
to give birth to the child out of wedlock,
lose her praents and all monetary support
she'd had for college, never be able to go
home, her child would never have had
grandparents, and do you honestly think a
single mother can get through college full
time? The guy supposedly said he would
have married her, but who knows if that
would have actully
happened.
yes it would have been better... The
grandparents would have come around.. As
far as college there are grants
scholarships and etc. And as far as going
home was she an adult?? Then if she was
what would she need to go home for.. And
yes a single mother can get through school
full time my friend and cousin did it.
There are alot of single mothers out here
doing and making it, and oh yeah
surviving... That is what life is all
about survival
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-07-05 01:54am
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
i told my mother a similar story, but my
point is, do you view her as heartless?
Or are there exceptions to the story?
If so, can those people have abortions?
The girl in danger of being disowned,
the 13 year old rape victim, the woman who
will die if she gives birth... Do you
allow them abortions? If so, because
you want to make abortion illegal, you're
going to havee change its name in these
cases. It's not (according to you
all) called abortion when an ectopic
pregnancy is removed... So what would
you call it in these other cases?
Remember, you can't use the word
"abortion", it's illegal in your shiney
little
utopia.
no, I don't view her as heartless.
Yes, there are exceptions I have explained
before, maybe you have not heard my
exceptions.
Rape: I used to believe woman in rape
situations should have the option of
abortion (i'm talking as if it were
illegal for scenario's sake), but after
careful consideration, I don't believe so.
The baby did not ask to be conceived
out of rape, just like with every
pregnancy, it is innocent and should bare
no consequences. I feel rape victims
that are not willing or ready to be
mothers should have every bit of help
available to them in adopting the child to
a sane, good family. Counseling should
be provided.
Woman whose life in in danger: I will be
honest, i'm unsure.
Woman afraid of being disowned: I don't
feel abortion should be legal with this
either. If a parent wants to disown
her she is better off w/o them anyhow.
That's the hard cold "heartless sounding"
way to put it, but it's the truth.
Parents that disown their children should
be beaten.
so it would have been better for my mother
to give birth to the child out of wedlock,
lose her praents and all monetary support
she'd had for college, never be able to go
home, her child would never have had
grandparents, and do you honestly think a
single mother can get through college full
time? The guy supposedly said he would
have married her, but who knows if that
would have actully
happened.
in my opinion, anything is better than
abortion. She would not have lost all
monetary support for college. There is a
ton, a ton...Of help to go to college. I
can't begin to say I know what she went
through or what it would be like to be
disowned by parents. That is really sad.
Like I said, if that would have
happened, shame on the parents. I do
think a single mother can get through
college full time. But....With that
being said, one has to have the will, that
is not easy to do at all. This situation
is hard all
together.
you can say it's a shame as many times as
you want, but that won't help the single,
20-year old mothers working at mcdonalds
because their parents and their bfs
abandoned them. What could
have helped? An abortion. My mother was
a little rich girl, she didn't have street
smarts, she had no idea how to get
scholarships for aid in the middle of the
year, or pell grants or anything like
that. Plus, the financial aid for
colleges isn't recalculated until the next
yer's taxes come in, so she'd still
technically be going off the money her
parents made, which they of course would
no longer be supplying.
Of course it would be possible to do, I
suppose. But would she truly be enjoying
her life, working to support herself, her
child, plus attending classes? A hard
life of definatly not a fully enjoyable
one, and I don't mean that to sound
prissy. I work and go to classes, I work
in the summer, I go full time. But there
is a difference between working hard to
achieve one's dreams and being held down
by circumstances that could have been
avoided. Circumstances that were
avoided, with the abortion. I feel more
sorry for the women I see working crap
jobs with 5 children, living in
trailers.
On another note, to go back to something
you said eariler: an ectopic pregnancy
certainly puts a woman in danger of
impending death... And you said you
weren't sure of she should be able to get
an abortion? Or do you file ectopics in a
seperate section entirely? There are
other cases wehre the fetus itself is a
danger to the mother, and carrying it any
longer could mean (or will mean, in some
cases) her death.
Some women are held down by their up
bringing, believeing their true path in
life is to mary some slob and pop out
babies while he watches nascar and drinks
beer. There's nothing wrong with being a
stay-at-home-mom, and if I ever have
children I will probably be one to for the
first few years of their lives, if my
husband of the time doesn't become a
stay-at-home-dad. And I will be married.
I believe all children should have two
loving parents (gays & lesbians
included), since it takes two people to
make a baby. I've gotten way off track so
i'll stop now.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 11-07-05 02:08am
tazzy d
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
i told my mother a similar story, but my
point is, do you view her as heartless?
Or are there exceptions to the story?
If so, can those people have
abortions? The girl in danger of
being disowned, the 13 year old rape
victim, the woman who will die if she
gives birth... Do you allow them
abortions? If so, because you want
to make abortion illegal, you're going to
havee change its name in these cases.
It's not (according to you all) called
abortion when an ectopic pregnancy is
removed... So what would you call it
in these other cases? Remember, you
can't use the word "abortion", it's
illegal in your shiney little
utopia.
no, I don't view her as heartless.
Yes, there are exceptions I have explained
before, maybe you have not heard my
exceptions.
Rape: I used to believe woman in rape
situations should have the option of
abortion (i'm talking as if it were
illegal for scenario's sake), but after
careful consideration, I don't believe so.
The baby did not ask to be conceived
out of rape, just like with every
pregnancy, it is innocent and should bare
no consequences. I feel rape victims
that are not willing or ready to be
mothers should have every bit of help
available to them in adopting the child to
a sane, good family. Counseling
should be provided.
Woman whose life in in danger: I will be
honest, i'm unsure.
Woman afraid of being disowned: I don't
feel abortion should be legal with this
either. If a parent wants to disown
her she is better off w/o them anyhow.
That's the hard cold "heartless sounding"
way to put it, but it's the truth.
Parents that disown their children should
be beaten.
so it would have been better for my mother
to give birth to the child out of wedlock,
lose her praents and all monetary support
she'd had for college, never be able to go
home, her child would never have had
grandparents, and do you honestly think a
single mother can get through college full
time? The guy supposedly said he would
have married her, but who knows if that
would have actully
happened.
yes it would have been better... The
grandparents would have come around..
As far as college there are grants
scholarships and etc. And as far as
going home was she an adult?? Then if
she was what would she need to go home
for.. And yes a single mother can get
through school full time my friend and
cousin did it. There are alot of single
mothers out here doing and making it, and
oh yeah surviving... That is what life
is all about
survival
stupid computer not posting...
Basic recap: old fashioned family, the
grandparents wouldn't have helped. The
abortion saved my mother's life and her
dreams, allowing her to finish college and
find the man she truly loved and ended up
marying: my father. With him she's had 2
lovely children. Witout the aboritons, I
never would have been born, and my mother
would most certanly be working some
low-wage job, with no family to help her
out, with a 24 year old slob of a child
who only had a mum and no dad, grew up
poor, and who knows if he/she would ever
had enjoyed the wonderful life i've
enjoyed: seeing the world, etc. Probably
not, since my mum marrid a .G.I, and we
got to travel america and the world with
him.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 11-07-05 02:38am
Eiri so for you to live another had to die
and you think that is acceptable.I know I
would not like to know that I was only
born because of that.Do you think it was
right for your mother to inform you off
this.If your father is the man you say he
is wouldn't he of taken on both of them.?
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 11-07-05 19:28pm
So, what is so wrong with the truth and so
wrong with communication with your
children understanding and being your
friend, not just your child, isn't this
about abortion? Why be closed minded and
not open-minded.
She let it out and this is good. You
should never allow things to build up
inside, it caan hurt you bad!
