But it can also hurt a child.... There
are some things you say and some things
that you just dont tell your child... I
agree to disagree .. So im to tell my
child the reason why her twin died is
because her father beat me? Not the
reason I gave her... I dont believe this
one..
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Posted: 11-07-05 20:22pm
tazzy d
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
tazzy d
wrote:
stillmehere
wrote:
tazzy d
wrote:
and neither do you, but you
proclaim that it is a womens right..
A womens right to what
kill....
yup. Just as it is her right to eat
killed animal meat. To kill bacteria
and germs on her clothes/body. Her
body, her
right.
and it is our right to say that it is not
healthy just like anything
else..
it's your individual right to say that
you dissaprove of it, but
just as vegetarians can't enforce their
beliefs upon america, neither can
you.
why not it was forced upon
mcdonalds
last time I checked, mcdonalds still sells
real beef. With the vegetarians I meant
that they can't force the whole nation to
be totally vegetarian just cause they
think eating meat is bad. And hey, if
mcdonalds is going to get more customers
because they have veggie burgers, isn't
that a good thing for capitalism?
Just like for abortion. You can't force
every woman who becomes pregnant to carry
to full term.
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Posted: 11-07-05 20:27pm
cowboys
wrote:
eiri so for you to live
another had to die and you think that is
acceptable.I know I would not like to know
that I was only born because of that.Do
you think it was right for your mother to
inform you off this.If your father is the
man you say he is wouldn't he of taken on
both of
them.?
i do think it is acceptable, because
that's what happened, and I can't change
it. What, should I go commit suicide
because my mother should never have had
that abortion and thus I shouldn't exist?
My mother had an older brother, but he
died as a baby 2 days after he was born.
Because my grandma wanted 2 children, and
already had one son, she tried again and
gave birth to my mother. If that baby
hadn't died, my mother wouldn't exist.
Should she regret her very existance?
And... My mother never would have met my
dad. I don't see very many pregnant 20
year olds joining sororities, and that's
how my mom met my dad. She didn't get
pregnant with my dad the first time, as I
said. It was some other dude.
Ona final note, she told me this when I
turned 20, and when I ws entering into a
sexual relationship stage with my current
bf. She just wanted to warn me about what
could happen, etc, and to let me know
she'd be there for me.
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Posted: 11-08-05 00:15am
jlee77
wrote:
to say your mom would'nt be
here or you wouldn't be here if this, and
that.....You can't say that. You may
have been. That is something you can't
know. Plans don't always pan out, as
we all know. (the reason so many
selfish b**ches kill their children).
If you were to be born, you will be.
(this goes for
anyone).
if my mother never had sex with my father,
then it would be impossible for me to be
born. Duh. I was made because she had
sex with my father at a specific time,
when a specific egg ovulated and a
specific sperm of his met with it. You
change anything at all in the past, and
those things don't happen. And it's not
a child yet, it hasn't been born.
Are you going to touch on anything else I
said or just ignore it?
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Posted: 11-08-05 11:59am
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
to say your mom would'nt be
here or you wouldn't be here if this, and
that.....You can't say that. You may
have been. That is something you
can't know. Plans don't always pan
out, as we all know. (the reason so
many selfish b**ches kill their
children).
If you were to be born, you will be.
(this goes for
anyone).
if my mother never had sex with my father,
then it would be impossible for me to be
born. Duh. I was made because she
had sex with my father at a specific time,
when a specific egg ovulated and a
specific sperm of his met with it. You
change anything at all in the past, and
those things don't happen. And it's
not a child yet, it hasn't been born.
Are you going to touch on anything else I
said or just ignore
it?
what I was saying, (*.D. U.H!!) was
that it was meant to be for your parents
to do the bam bam and create you. What
i'm attempting to explain to you may be
too difficult or ellaborate for you to
understand. You like to twist words and
create different meanings for them anyways
and I wish not to deal with your nonsense.
This conversation is over .Ms. "i'm
better than everyone else".
I picture you to be an annoying troll.
No offense. You make yourself out to be
that way.
When your ready to hear me out and stop
shutting out my explanations as you accuse
me of doing, let me know. Oh...And when
your ready to stop insulting my
intelligence as you have come so
accustomed to doing in the other threads.
So much for you being that "sweet, caring
and innocent" girlie you claimed to be
huh?
oh yes that's right, all things are "meant
to be" because we have no real free will
under .God. I never claimed to be sweet
and innocent... I do recall saying I was
kind and caring, but that I would also
call out in debate anyone I thought was
being less that smart in their posts. The
problem is that you are only using
religion as your soapbox for this
argument, whereas I am using the morals I
learned from religion and
scientific logic.
You accuse me of being unethical, and a
proponent of killing babies, but you
constanly forget the fact that I don't
consider a 4 month fetus to be a baby! It
is alive, and it is killed during the
abortion, but it's life is not worth that
of the mother's because it isn't developed
enough to suvive yet. I have conceded to
many of your points; that it is alive,
that it is killing. Why don't you concede
to some of mine?
If it was meant for my parents to have
sex, then it was meant for my mother to
have an abortion. I think your .God is
great, always setting his people up to sin
and fail. That's why I don't believe in
much of the bible. It doesn't make any
sense.
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Posted: 11-08-05 17:08pm
Again, killing children is illegal.
Abortion is legal.
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Posted: 11-08-05 22:15pm
sandyallen
wrote:
again, killing children is
illegal. Abortion is
legal.
yeah... Because a child is born and has
actually lived some. A zef has not, nor
does it have the right to, at under 20
weeks, if it's life is going to be
detrimental to the woman. I know that
sounds horrid, but that's how I view it.
It has not developed into a human yet,
thus it does not have the same rights as
one.
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Posted: 11-09-05 01:20am
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
to say your mom would'nt be
here or you wouldn't be here if this, and
that.....You can't say that. You
may have been. That is something
you can't know. Plans don't
always pan out, as we all know.
(the reason so many selfish b**ches kill
their children).
If you were to be born, you will be.
(this goes for
anyone).
if my mother never had sex with my father,
then it would be impossible for me to be
born. Duh. I was made
because she had sex with my father at a
specific time, when a specific egg
ovulated and a specific sperm of his met
with it. You change anything at all
in the past, and those things don't
happen. And it's not a child yet,
it hasn't been born.
Are you going to touch on anything else I
said or just ignore
it?
what I was saying, (*.D. U.H!!) was
that it was meant to be for your parents
to do the bam bam and create you.
What i'm attempting to explain to you may
be too difficult or ellaborate for you to
understand. You like to twist words
and create different meanings for them
anyways and I wish not to deal with your
nonsense. This conversation is over
.Ms. "i'm better than everyone
else".
I picture you to be an annoying troll.
No offense. You make yourself out to
be that way.
When your ready to hear me out and stop
shutting out my explanations as you accuse
me of doing, let me know. Oh...And
when your ready to stop insulting my
intelligence as you have come so
accustomed to doing in the other threads.
So much for you being that "sweet,
caring and innocent" girlie you claimed to
be huh?
oh yes that's right, all things are "meant
to be" because we have no real free will
under .God. I never claimed to be
sweet and innocent... I do recall
saying I was kind and caring, but that I
would also call out in debate anyone I
thought was being less that smart in their
posts. The problem is that you are
only using religion as your soapbox for
this argument, whereas I am using the
morals I learned from religion and
scientific logic.
You accuse me of being unethical, and a
proponent of killing babies, but you
constanly forget the fact that I don't
consider a 4 month fetus to be a baby!
It is alive, and it is killed during the
abortion, but it's life is not worth that
of the mother's because it isn't developed
enough to suvive yet. I have conceded
to many of your points; that it is alive,
that it is killing. Why don't you
concede to some of mine?
If it was meant for my parents to have
sex, then it was meant for my mother to
have an abortion. I think your .God is
great, always setting his people up to sin
and fail. That's why I don't believe
in much of the bible. It doesn't make
any sense.
we have plenty of free will under .God so
saying you don't is something you chose
not to have under a .God you don't believe
in. Kind and caring is not calling
someone stupid.
i'm kind and caring to those who deserve
it. I'm kind and caring to my mother,
and she believes the bible. But she is
also willing to at least realise that
science might be right.
Quote:
i'm not sure what
your definition is. And just because I
do not carry your views does not make me
stupid dear. Wouldn't you view that as
arrogant? I think so. I am not using
religion as a "soapbox".
yes you are. Everything you say is
related to it. If that's not a soapbox,
I don't know what is.
Quote:
we can quit
speaking of religion now if you would
like.
we could try... But I know he'll get
brought up again and again. I don't have
a problem discussing god, its when you
tell me that i'm evil and unethical
because of him that I get angry. God
does not determine my actions, sorry. Or
where was it, something about me being a
sex-addict (lmao). I forget who posted
that bull.
Quote:
i view abortion
as wrong and evil no matter what. My
morals are based partly on what I believe
in with .God, and partly by what my
parents raised me on. (question: you
say you learned some morals from religion.
I thought you didn't believe in
religion??).
i don't belive in your
religion, which just shows how
ethnocentric you are. I belive in deism,
which allows me to take morals from all
religions to build an ethical base upon.
Mostly, don't kill people
(a zef is not a person), don't steal,
don't lie, don't cheat, things like that.
My moral code has gone beyond what my
mommy and daddy and jesus taught me. I
have taken what i've seen and learned and
developed that into my own code of morals.
They're based on science, upbringing,
religion, and my own interpretations and
experiences.
Quote:
oh wow.....Your
actually doing to use the excuse that you
don't believe a 4 month old fetus to be a
baby your reason for not believing
abortion is killing?
abortion is killing!! I've said that
multiple times! The unborn, 19-week old
fetus' life is not worth as much as the
mother's! I have admitted this like, 2
times at least. Go look for them. At
least one of those times has been during
this very argument. In fact, here is the
very quote I said earlier:
"it is alive, and it is killed during the
abortion, but it's life is not worth that
of the mother's because it isn't developed
enough to suvive yet. "
Quote:
****abortion is
killing!!***** an abortion terminates the
baby, or to make you happy here: the
"zef". It is killing no matter how you
view it. So yes, you are
unethical.
according to you. But there are many
people who do not view abortion as
unethical because we have the ability to
place a value on life, which is very hard
to do if the world is black and white.
Like yours is.
Quote:
why do I not
concede to some of yours? Because i'm
not stupid and I won't "concede" to posts
that tell me i'm stupid. Who would?!
When you decide to be this kind person
you say you are, we can talk. Until
then.....Your not worth my time.
except that i'll keep callin 'em as I see
'em. You notice i'm having a perfectly
nice conversation with that other
religious lady?
Quote:
saying you don't
believe in the bible because it does not
make sense must mean you don't believe in
anything that doesn't make sense. Which
means you don't believe in much.
actually... There is a hell of a lot of
stuff that makes sense. Math, english,
science... I believe in things I can
see, touch, feel, smell, hear. Things I
can calculate, things I can see have been
proven with logic and math. Which simply
doesn't involve the bible, or ghosts, or
the paranormal, or psychics.
Quote:
.God does not set
us up to "sin and fail". It's called
life lessons. We fail and we succeed.
Everything we go through makes us
stronger and it happens that way for a
reason. If life were peaches and wine,
we would be spoiled brats and the world
would be worse off than it is now.
it could get worse than it is now? I
would imagine that world to be one...
Where abortion was illegal, children were
forced to pray in church, and christianity
was the only legal american religion.
Quote:
so in reality,
.God knows exactly what he is doing with
us. We are "designed" to sin, learn
from sin, and strive to do better.....To
better our
lives.
if we are designed to sin, then we are set
up to sin, or can you not see that
connection? However, I can see your
point on the life lessons thing...
Except that I don't believe in a messiah
of salvation. (oh my, I just conceded to
another one of your points! When are you
going to open your mind as well? It's
easy to hide behind the veil of
christianity.) I believe in enlightenment
to a state of nirvanah. If you do bad in
this life, then your soul just comes back
as the next baby in line until you live a
life worthy of transcending.
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Posted: 11-09-05 01:23am
stillmehere
wrote:
jlee77
wrote:
"poof...The baby is gone but
it's okay because it's 'legal'
"
it is more of a sucking
sound...
x-) that's morbid...
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Posted: 11-09-05 01:28am
jlee77
wrote:
you both are delerious. To
the fullest extent. Caught up in your
magical world of aboriton. "poof...The
baby is gone but it's okay because it's
'legal' ". Oh, how you
wish!
yay, caught up in the "magical" world of
proven real science, which daily proves
that magic doesn't exist. Paradox anyone?
Or maybe...Just maybe...
Maybe science isn't magic!! Who woulda
thunk?
No, i'm sure the world is flat and the sun
and the stars and the whole universe
revolves around the earth, which of course
doesn't explain the retrograde motion of
the planets in the sky but... We'll just
ignore that... And no, I don't see those
moons orbiting jupiter, because that's
impossible! Plus the earth is held up by
a giant turtle! And columbus discovered a
shorter way to india!
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Posted: 11-09-05 13:30pm
Quote:
the earth is held
up by a giant
turtle!
the great a'tuin dont forget the four
great elephants.
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Posted: 11-09-05 15:49pm
Again, being pro-choice does not mean that
I am 100% for abortion, it means that I am
100% for the pregnant female's choice, if
she wants to continue on with the
pregnancy, that is great, it is her choice
or if she wants to terminate the
pregnancy, that is her choice too.
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Posted: 11-10-05 00:05am
cowboys
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Quote:
the earth is held
up by a giant
turtle!
the great a'tuin dont forget the four
great
elephants.
yeah, lol. Depending on the ledgend and
culture.
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Posted: 11-10-05 00:06am
sandyallen
wrote:
again, being pro-choice does
not mean that I am 100% for abortion, it
means that I am 100% for the pregnant
female's choice, if she wants to continue
on with the pregnancy, that is great, it
is her choice or if she wants to terminate
the pregnancy, that is her choice
too.
