Candida Albicans (yeast Infection)...22yr Old Male Posted: 10-30-05 18:29pm
Hi ive posted before about symptoms ive
been having. Im a 22 year old male with a
long list of symptoms. Ive been to
multiple doctors and undergone multiple
tests that all came back negative. I
decided to switch routes and went to see a
naturopathic physician who diagnosed me
with a yeast infection. Im taking
similase, mycostate, gi capsuls, and vital
plex. Ive also been on a diet for 3 weeks
not eating sugars, breads, or drinking
alchohol. Im posting to find out more
information like...Has anyone else had
this type of problem? How long can I
expect for the yeast to go away?
Thanks,
dave
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jellyfishattack
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Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 15 Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posted: 03-16-06 23:00pm
Dave,
i'm sorry you're feeling awful and no
doctor can explain why. Naturopathic
"physicians" are usually quacks, certainly
if they talk about yeast infections.
Telling people they have a "yeast
infection" is their bread and butter,
interesting that every healthy person has
the same "symptoms". Unless someone has
hiv/aids they don't get systemic problems
with yeast. Even if you took potent oral
antifungal pills, you would never be
yeast-free. No one is.
Candida albicans (sometimes referred to as
monilia) is a fungus normally present on
the skin and in the mouth, intestinal
tract, and vagina. Under certain
conditions, it can multiply and infect the
surface of the skin or mucous membranes.
Such infections are usually minor, but
serious and deeper infections can occur,
especially in patients whose resistance
has been weakened by immunosuppressant
drugs and serious illnesses such as aids.
However, some practitioners claim that
even when clinical signs of infection are
absent, yeast-related problems can cause
or trigger multiple symptoms such as
fatigue, irritability, constipation,
diarrhea, abdominal bloating, mood swings,
depression, anxiety, dizziness, unexpected
weight gain, difficulty in concentrating,
muscle and joint pain, cravings for sugar
or alcoholic beverages, psoriasis, hives,
respiratory and ear problems, menstrual
problems, infertility, impotence, bladder
infections, prostatitis, and "feeling bad
all over." the list of symptoms is similar
to that of multiple chemical sensitivity
(mcs).
According to its promoters -- some of whom
practice "clinical ecology" -- one out of
three americans suffers from yeast-related
illness, which they refer to as chronic
candidiasis, candidiasis hypersensitivity,
candida-related complex, the yeast
syndrome, yeast allergy, yeast overgrowth,
or simply "candida" or "yeast problem."
many clinical ecologists view this alleged
problem as an underlying cause of mcs. It
is also touted as an important factor in
aids, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple
sclerosis, and schizophrenia, as well as
"hypoglycemia," "mercury-amalgam toxicity"
and at least twenty other conditions. In
recent years, proponents have suggested
that chronic fatigue syndrome and candida
infections are closely related [1]. This
article uses the term "candidiasis
hypersensitivity" in quotation marks to
indicate that neither infection nor actual
allergy is present.
The leading promoters of "candidiasis
hypersensitivity" have been c. Orian
truss, m.D., of birmingham, alabama and
william g. Crook, m.D., of jackson,
tennessee. Truss put forth his concepts
with a series of articles that began in
1978 in the journal of orthomolecular
psychiatry, an offbeat publication that
caters to physicians who prescribe large
amounts of vitamins to emotionally
disturbed patients. In 1982, he
self-published a book called the missing
diagnosis. [2].
Crook, who died in october 2002, stated
that he began treating and communicating
about yeast problems in 1979 after reading
one of truss's papers. In 1983, he
published the first edition of his book
the yeast connection [3], which he said
was inspired by a television appearance
that drew 7,300 requests for further
information. Two years later, he
established the international health
foundation to help respond to the requests
he kept generating. The foundation's
goals were to "work to obtain credibility
for the relationship of candida albicans
to a diverse group of health disorders"
and "helping children with repeated ear
infections, hyperactivity, attention
deficits and related behavior and learning
problems." (he also espoused a variety of
unconventional theories about allergies
being at the root of these problems.)
during the early 1990s, a booklet
describing these goals listed tipper gore
as a member of the foundation's 33-person
advisory board [4]. In 1998, truss and
crook launched an organization called the
candida and dysbiosis information
foundation.
The yeast connection states: "if a careful
check-up doesn't reveal the cause for your
symptoms, and your medical history [as
described in his book] is typical, it's
possible or even probable that your health
problems are yeast-connected." the book
also states that tests such as cultures
don't help much in diagnosis because
"candida germs live in every person's body
. . . Therefore the diagnosis is
suspected from the patient's history and
confirmed by his response to treatment."
crook claimed that the problem arises
because "antibiotics kill 'friendly germs'
while they're killing enemies, and when
friendly germs are knocked out, yeast
germs multiply. Diets rich in
carbohydrates and yeasts, birth control
pills, cortisone, and other drugs also
stimulate yeast growth." he also claimed
that the yeasts produce toxins that weaken
the immune system, which is also adversely
affected by nutritional deficiencies,
sugar consumption, and exposure to
environmental molds and chemicals. To
correct these alleged problems, he
prescribes allergenic extracts, antifungal
drugs, vitamin and mineral supplements,
and diets that avoid refined
carbohydrates, processed foods, and
(initially) fruits and milk.
Crook's concepts are a mixture of fact and
fancy. It is correct that antibiotics,
birth control pills, and certain other
drugs can stimulate overgrowth of yeasts,
most commonly in the vagina. However:
* a yeast problem should not be
diagnosed without definite clinical signs
of an infection. The signs of a local
infection, for example, can include
itching, soreness, rash, and a
discharge.
* if an infection is present,
treatment with an antifungal drug makes
sense. However, the rest of crook's
recommendations are senseless whether an
infection is present or not.
Severe criticism
the american academy of allergy, asthma
and immunology has strongly criticized the
concept of "candidiasis hypersensitivity
syndrome" and the diagnostic and treatment
approaches its proponents use. Aaaai's
position statement concludes: (1) the
concept of candidiasis hypersensitivity is
speculative and unproven; (2) its basic
elements would apply to almost all sick
patients at some time because its supposed
symptoms are essentially universal; (3)
overuse of oral antifungal agents could
lead to the development of resistant germs
that could menace others; (4) adverse
effects of oral antifungal agents are
rare, but some inevitably will occur; and
(5) neither patients nor doctors can
determine effectiveness (as opposed to
coincidence) without controlled trials.
Because allergic symptoms can be
influenced by many factors, including
emotions, experiments must be designed to
separate the effects of the procedure
being tested from the effects of other
factors [5]. Several years ago, crook
told me that he had no intention of
conducting a controlled test because he
was "a clinician, not a researcher."
the antifungal drug most often prescribed
by proponents of "candidiasis
hypersensitivity" is nystatin (mycostatin,
nilstat), which seldom has significant
side effects. However, they also
prescribe ketoconazole (nizoral), which
has an incidence of liver toxicity
(hepatitis) of about 1 in 10,000. The
liver injury usually reverses when the
drug is discontinued, but ketoconazole has
been responsible for several deaths. For
this reason it should be prescribed only
for serious infections. Both of these
drugs are expensive [6]. In a
double-blind trial, the antifungal drug
nystatin did no better than a placebo in
relieving systemic or psychological
symptoms of "candidiasis hypersensitivity
syndrome." [7] a study of 100 consecutive
chronic fatigue patients found no
differences in historical, physical, or
laboratory findings among those who
believed their problem was yeast-related
and those who did not [8].
Problems reported
in 1986, two doctors from loyola
university stritch school of medicine
reported seeing four young women whose
nonspecific complaints included chronic
fatigue, anxiety, and depression. All
four mistakenly believed they had
disseminated candidiasis and were taking
nystatin or ketoconazole, which had been
prescribed by their family physicians.
All had read the yeast connection and had
carried the book into the office during
their visits. One patient on ketoconazole
had hepatitis, which resolved when the
drug was stopped [9].
Worse yet, a case has been reported of a
child with a severe case of disseminated
candidiasis who had been seen by a
"candida doctor" and given inadequate
treatment. The report concluded that "the
advice of yeast connection advocates may
be inappropriate even for illnesses in
which candida is implicated." [10]
perhaps the saddest report was a letter in
a health-food magazine from a woman
appealing for help and encouragement. She
said that a clinical ecologist had been
treating her for allergies and candida for
four years, that initial tests showed she
"was allergic to all foods" as well as to
numerous chemicals and inhalants, and that
so far nothing had helped.
Dubious diagnostic questionnaires
the yeast connection contains a 70 or
90-item "candida questionnaire" and score
sheet to determine how likely it is that
health problems are yeast-connected.
Crook has marketed several versions to
physicians who accept his theories. The
documents state,"if your point score is
over 180, candida almost certainly plays a
role in causing your health problems."
scores over 120 mean "candida probably
plays a role," 60 to 120 means it
"possibly plays a role," and scores under
60 mean it is "less apt" to play a
significant roll.
Shorter questionnaires have appeared in
magazine articles, ads for products sold
through health food stores, and flyers
used by chiropractors. The most notorious
were used as marketing devices by nature's
way, of springville utah, whose product
cantrol, was a conglomeration of capsules
containing acidophilus, evening primrose
oil, vitamin e, linseed oil, caprylic
acid, pau d'arco, and several other
substances.
Under federal law, any product intended
for the prevention or treatment of disease
is a drug, and it is illegal to market new
drugs that do not have fda approval. In
1989, the fda's health fraud branch issued
instructions and a sample regulatory
letter indicating that it was illegal to
market vitamin products intended for
treating yeast infections. In 1990,
nature's way and its president, kenneth
murdock, settled an ftc complaint by
signing a consent agreement to stop making
unsubstantiated claims that cantrol is
helpful against yeast infections caused by
candida albicans.
Nature's way promoted cantrol with several
versions of a self-test -- one of which is
pictured below -- based on common symptoms
the manufacturer claimed were associated
with yeast problems. The ftc charged that
the test was not valid for this purpose.
The company also agreed to pay $30,000 to
the national institutes of health to
support research on yeast infections
[11].
This questionnaire was part of a
health-food store display nature's way
distributed in 1986.
Do you know many people who would not
answer "yes" to at least three
questions?
This action and several others have driven
most of the "anti-candida" concoctions
from the marketplace and stopped their
direct promotion to the public. However,
the ingredients of these products are
still marketed individually as "dietary
supplements" and practitioners still
prescribe them to their patients.
In 1990, the new jersey state attorney
general secured consent agreements barring
linda choi, m.D., and pruyakant doshi,
m.D., from diagnosing and treating
"candida albicans overgrowth syndrome."
both were assessed $3,000 for
investigative costs and had their medical
license placed on probation for one year.
Among other things, investigation by the
state medical board had concluded that
"candida albicans overgrowth" was not
generally recognized as a clinical entity
and had not been established as the cause
of the conditions the doctors treated.
I believe that practitioners who diagnose
nonexistent "yeast problems" should have
their licenses revoked. Some apply this
diagnosis to nearly every patient they
see.
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lesstalkmorock
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Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 10 Location: san diego
Posted: 03-17-06 20:39pm
Thanks a bunch for the information!
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lesstalkmorock
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Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 10 Location: san diego
Posted: 03-17-06 22:46pm
I ditched the naturopath months ago after
being diagnosed with depression/anxiety.
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jellyfishattack
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 15 Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posted: 03-21-06 02:21am
Dave,
glad to hear the naturopath's history.
I've got depression with anxiety,
sometimes called atypical depression even
though it's quite common. That's
important to know because many
psychiatrists don't know the drug combos
that might work. They try one
antidepressant, and don't try combinations
if one drug doesn't work. In my case, it
took 16 years before I finally found a
psychiatrist who did. I feel almost
normal now! Are you feeling better, or
can I suggest some resources and drug
combos?
Ok, to be more acurate atypical depression
is diagnosed if someone's depressed and
has 2 or more of the following symptoms:
increased sleeping, increased appetitie,
anxiety, sensativity to rejection, or
leaden paralysis (feeling like your arms
and legs are really heavy). I had them
all except the last one.
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lesstalkmorock
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Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 10 Location: san diego
Posted: 03-22-06 18:17pm
Hey thanks for the post. Im taking
effexor. I started feeling back to normal
for about a week, but the drug hasnt
really seemed to work very well, even
though im taking 150 mg. I still feel
tired and anxious, headaches and the heavy
arms and legs thing went away after the
meds. Any reccomendations?
Thanks again,
dave
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lesstalkmorock
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Posts: 10 Location: san diego
Posted: 03-22-06 18:22pm
Ya I still dont feel normal at all.
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jellyfishattack
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 15 Location: Toronto, Ontario
Effexor Posted: 03-25-06 16:22pm
With me, I thought I was getting better
when I first started a new antidepressant,
but then realized after 2 or so weeks that
that was just wishful thinking, however, I
have heard that the newer drugs can work
very well at first and then stop working.
It seems to happen to effexor a lot.
I'd ask to be on 50 micrograms of t3 -
cytomel, less than 50micrograms doesn't
work, and it's a low enough dose that it
won't have an effect on what your thyroid
normally produces. (t4 works too but you
need to take more). T3 doesn't seem to
have any side effects. It also speeds up
response to antidepressants as well as
making them more effective. Lithium does
this as well.
If you've been on effexor for 6-8 weeks,
you could give it more time with t3 or
lithium, and then switch to another
antidepressant or a combination of two. I
think you can increase the effexor dose as
well. Then there are the other drugs you
can take in as well.
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effexor - general guidelines
posted by: christopher57
date: wednesday, 15 september 2004, at
9:41 p.M.
Effexor at any dose for more than 3 months
should first be discussed with md..Reason
= to avoid serotonin "crash" with all the
untoward side effects..Rule of
thumb...Person been taking 150xr mg 2 am =
300 mg of effexor for 6+ months..Usual
reduction titration = 300 mgs to 225 first
4 days,
175 mgs next 4 days...137.5 mgs next 4
days...100 mgs next 4 days..75 mgs next 4
days...37.5 mgs next 4 days..37.5 mgs
every other day fo four days
unlike most ssri's effexor produces
activity within the norepenephrine
synapses..Effexor should be cautiously
titrated down, please discuss with your
md..Effexor also has a higher tendency to
"poop-out" stop working, than the standard
ssri's..I have seen an unusually large
amount of individuals titrate down to zero
and begin zoloft @ very low doses 25 - 50
mgs daily - odd, but for some reason,
individuals who did fairly well with
effexor (until it feels like it just stops
working after 1 to 5 years) and have had
numerous experiences with just about all
of the "anti-depressants" going back to
tofranil, other 3 ring combo's(elavil,
desyrl, serequan, etc. Used in late 60's
prior to prozac (1986)and it's chemical
cousins. Unless your md is a psychiatrist
and a cracker-jack
psychopharmacologist...Most other md's
have not heard of the anomaly of effexor
reduction titration (slow) to zero and
then almost sub-clinical doses of
zoloft..Be well...Chris57
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