Historically, people used to drink beer
before they would even consider drinking
water as the water could kill you (think
america circa 1900's). And what do you
know, women continued having children just
as they always did. What is important
for women is their individual health needs and
care. Alcohol does not affect all women
and all pregnancies in the same way. If
this woman's doctor has advised her that a
beer is acceptable at this stage of her
pregnancy, it is not our place to
ignorantly assume that we know more about
her individual body or
pregnancy and spew our judgemental
opinions all over the place (like the
woman who took her beer away).
At issue in this thread, is the behavior
of the judgemental woman who arrogantly
forced her ignorance on another.
And, for those of you stating that this
woman should have her children taken from
her, are you even listening to yourselves?
Would you like someone to say that to
you for just about anything that you do in
a given day that puts your children at
risk? Strapping them into a car, feeding
them undercooked foods, feeding them the
slop served at fast food establishments,
letting them play on death trap play
grounds, sending them to school or daycare
with the perpetually ill student
population, etc. Everyone is entitled to
their opinion and this includes
people whose opinions are different than
your own.
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bleedeliciouscandy
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 31 Location: Pennsylvania
I'm With You Diamond! Posted: 11-21-05 20:59pm
Diamond, the people who are putting you
down on this sight are really stupid. You
never said that you went out and guzzled
down six beers and then smoked a pack of
cigarettes. One beer is not going to hurt
you or the baby, and according to most
doctors, quiting smoking completely can
actually be more harmful to the baby than
smoking itself. Nicotine is the same as
many other drugs, like crack and heroin,
if you quit without weaning yourself off
the baby will go through withdrawal,
whether it is nicotine withdrawal or
heroin withdrawal, it doesn't matter.
And to the poster two above mine...Back in
the day, probably when our grandparents
were babies, their parents used to use rum
and other liquors to soothe the baby, and
some people still do that to this day!
I'm not saying this is right, but it
certainly isn't the same as filling a
bottle with beer.
My advice to you diamond is to avoid doing
certain things in public. If you're going
to smoke, go somewhere private where the
world will not judge you. No matter what
people are going to have their opinions
and they are going to think they are
right. But the truth is, only you know
what is really right for your baby.
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diamondsz
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Posted: 11-22-05 08:23am
No worries, im not at least offended by
anything said its more of what was done
and its over with....
Anyways
i do have advice for the lady who was an
rn and said I deserve to have my child
taken away
my husband is an rn and said that attitude
at work would result in jobloss as well as
a possible lawsuit if you ever told one of
your charges what you said here. My
husband said you guys are taught not to
bring personal belief to work whether you
agree or not every patient is treated the
same as much as you disagree......
This post is a 50/50 belief so now no one
is right or wrong but everyone has a right
to your opinion and feltchick yeah maybe I
was abit harsh but no one and I mean
absolutly no one has a right to force
their beliefs/opinions on anyone, didnt
you say freespeech well we also have
freewill.
If you would have read the original post I
was asking for support about having an
belief inforced upon me and racist issues,
my husband has a hard time dealing with
racism but it hurts me to see him hurt.
As for giving baby alcohol most people do
it when baby is born, have you ever heard
of gripe water???
A dr would not recommend something if it
was harmful, my dr did not say drink all
you want he said I could have a beer or
two during the whole pregnancy. Before
you say oh well see you agree with the dr
"hollie" how many times have you take your
prescription meds??? If yes well your
calling the kettle black!!
Anyways im going to enjoy our snowfall
today with my daughter, I really hope some
of you wake up and smell the coffee and
thanks for all the posts
jess
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tigresacanela24
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 5261 Location: Treat your children well, eventually they'll choose your nursing home.
Re: Drinking & Pregnancy Posted: 11-22-05 09:41am
kksmith603
wrote:
for all of you that think
it's okay to drink while being pregnant;
would you give a newborn baby alcohol in a
bottle to drink? It's the exact same
thing!!! When you drink while being
pregnant, the alcohol passes through the
baby's tiny body as well!!! I actually
have a very young family member who is
mentally retarded, has seizures, can't
talk, etc... Because his mommy decided
to drink while pregnant it kills me to see
this. I am a nurse. I studied these
things in school! I have seen it first
hand! So, for all you pregnant women who
think it's okay to drink, please do more
research. I'm sure that you will all see
some things that will really change your
mind!! I wish I could show you my little
nephew!
how about I give you the name and
telephone number of my doctor so she can
tell you what she told me about it. She
actually recommended a glass of red wine
(one mind you) for the upcoming holidays.
Now that's not advice that i'm actually
going to take because I do not drink.
But it was doctor given advice because of
some issues i'm having with my heart rate
that i've actually had my whole life.
Again it's not advice that I am going to
take because I don't drink. But how dare
everyone jump in screaming at someone for
taking doctor given advice. You don't
know some people's whole stories or their
situations. Quite a few medications
cause birth defects but no one yells a
someone for taking them because of a
mother's medical condition. My point
again you don't know what someone's doctor
told them to do so mind your own business.
Do you know that pregnant heroin addicts
are not advised to detox while pregnant?
Doctors recommend that they take methadone
for the entire length of their pregnancy
because it is too dangerous for them to
detox. Now that's crucial. Are you
going to yell at the heroin addict because
she's actually saving her baby's life,
complications aside. I've seen
children of drinkers that are perfectly
normal and i've seen children of non
drinkers that have severe problems. Life
is chance. And in some doctor's opinions
the benefits to an occasional red wine or
beer outweigh the slim possibility that
the same one glass of wine or beer will
give a child fas. Whatever that's my
opinion, apparently i'm able to be a
little more open-minded (especially since
my own doctor recommended the same and I
trust her, have had her for years and she
helped me through everything) and I don't
even believe in drinking... The smoking
though has definitely got to go. I
smoked before I found out I was pregnant
and for about a month after before I could
finally quit. The earlier you can quit
the better it is for your child. Now
that's definitely been proven to have
immediate and lasting effects on your
child like low birth weight, respiratory
problems, premature birth, asthma,
weakened immune system, etc., etc. If
you ever want someone to talk to to help
you quit, e-mail me @ ti
gresacanela24@yahoo.Com. I'll give
you my # and we can talk.
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Jac05
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 1 Location: Hertfordshire. UK
Posted: 11-22-05 11:14am
Oh! My god!! Is the whole forum like
this?
When someone ask's for help and aid, that
is what you do, not have a go and judge,
pregnancy is stressful enough with out it.
We need each other to help us through
this, even those that have a loving family
around. No one knows what we go through,
except each other, even those who have had
children, because pregnancy blues and
pains are quickly forgotten.
So get your heads out your a**es (sorry
fanny, for you americans) and help a
fellow colleague in her hour of need.
My advice to you diamondsz is this:
1. Enjoy your occassional drink. Its
your body.
2. Ignore the ignorant cow, she's the one
with a problem, not you.
3. Next time give her the drink, right in
the face, then walk off. Lol
i don't know why you were on bedrest, but
I wish you well for the rest of the
pregnancy.
By the way your original post never
mentioned that you were smoking, so all
the other nasty comments that you have
read here, did not read it properly.
I also hope that all you that have not
reponed positively to diamondsz post, how
would you feel if you got the same type of
feed back that you gave to diamondsz when
you really need help.
Remember we reap what we sow.
Jac
39+4
xxx
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kksmith603
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 36
Posted: 11-22-05 19:56pm
I was not judging anybody. I just want
people to know that there are risks
involved with drinking while pregnant.
Some babies aren't affected at all by
this. But some are, and it's not a chance
that I would take. Our opinions were
asked. This is my opinion. I do wish you
the best of luck with your pregnancy!
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Lilypad
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 1043 Location: Ohio, USA
Posted: 11-23-05 08:53am
acoles70
wrote:
you don't deserve this
baby!!! Drinking and smoking?? You
deserve to have your child and your unborn
child taken away. Just because one of
your children is normal doesn't mean this
one will be. It is one thing to drink
before you find out you are preg, but are
willingly putting the baby at
risk.
you are an problem! Who the hell are you
to tell her she shoulf have her baby taken
away for having a glass of beer?? Her
doctor okayed it. This is exactly why
she is so pissed off in the first place,
people like you who think they are the
incredibly pregnancy police!
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Lilypad
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 1043 Location: Ohio, USA
Re: I'm With You Diamond! Posted: 11-23-05 08:54am
bleedeliciouscandy
wrote:
diamond, the people who are
putting you down on this sight are really
stupid. You never said that you went out
and guzzled down six beers and then smoked
a pack of cigarettes. One beer is not
going to hurt you or the baby, and
according to most doctors, quiting smoking
completely can actually be more harmful to
the baby than smoking itself. Nicotine
is the same as many other drugs, like
crack and heroin, if you quit without
weaning yourself off the baby will go
through withdrawal, whether it is nicotine
withdrawal or heroin withdrawal, it
doesn't matter.
And to the poster two above mine...Back in
the day, probably when our grandparents
were babies, their parents used to use rum
and other liquors to soothe the baby, and
some people still do that to this day!
I'm not saying this is right, but it
certainly isn't the same as filling a
bottle with beer.
Ahmen to that!
My advice to you diamond is to avoid doing
certain things in public. If you're
going to smoke, go somewhere private where
the world will not judge you. No matter
what people are going to have their
opinions and they are going to think they
are right. But the truth is, only you
know what is really right for your
baby.
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Lilypad
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 1043 Location: Ohio, USA
Re: I'm With You Diamond! Posted: 11-23-05 08:55am
lilypad
wrote:
bleedeliciouscandy
wrote:
diamond, the people who are
putting you down on this sight are really
stupid. You never said that you went
out and guzzled down six beers and then
smoked a pack of cigarettes. One beer
is not going to hurt you or the baby, and
according to most doctors, quiting smoking
completely can actually be more harmful to
the baby than smoking itself. Nicotine
is the same as many other drugs, like
crack and heroin, if you quit without
weaning yourself off the baby will go
through withdrawal, whether it is nicotine
withdrawal or heroin withdrawal, it
doesn't matter.
And to the poster two above mine...Back in
the day, probably when our grandparents
were babies, their parents used to use rum
and other liquors to soothe the baby, and
some people still do that to this day!
I'm not saying this is right, but it
certainly isn't the same as filling a
bottle with beer.
Ahmen to that!
My advice to you diamond is to avoid doing
certain things in public. If you're
going to smoke, go somewhere private where
the world will not judge you. No matter
what people are going to have their
opinions and they are going to think they
are right. But the truth is, only you
know what is really right for your
baby.
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i totally agree with
you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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britney0581
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 31 Location: n/a
People On This Forum Posted: 11-23-05 10:14am
People on this forum are absolutely rude.
Do you know how ugly and ignorant you guys
sound, calling somebody stupid because
they drank a beer while pregnant. If you
have something to say to her say it in a
manner that she might actually consider
listening to. If some one called me
stupid I wouldn't listen to their advice.
If her doctor told her it was fine that
shut the hell up. She didn't come on the
forum to get told by a bunch of arrogant
b*tches that she was an unfit mother. Of
course I dont recommend alcohol but for
some stupid a$$ b*tch to come up to me and
tell me how to "be" pregnant, I would flip
the frig out too. So diamondz, dont worry
about it....This forum obviously shows the
maturity level of the people on it ...And
I for one am not impressed at all.
However hun, I do recommend that you don't
drink too often, but from what you said it
certainly doesn't sound like you are.
Just be very careful because you don't
want something bad to happen to your baby.
As for the whole "husband" issue....Just
ignore it....People talk alot of you know
what...Don't let it get you down...I know
that being pregnant your emotions can be a
little of kilter...I was the same
way....So don't worry it's only normal to
want to defend and knock the boots off of
someone who says something ignorant about
your husband....Just don't listen to
people on this forum or anyone else who
isn't gonig to give you advice in a kind
matter, whether they are saying you are
doing something bad or not..
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bleedeliciouscandy
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 31 Location: Pennsylvania
Posted: 11-23-05 21:40pm
It's nice to see everyone on this page
(page 2) is supporting diamond. I am glad
that my post was also put on this page.
Page 1 was mostly suckers, page 2 is
filled with us supportive people who don't
have one nasty thing to say (except for
the first post)! Yay!
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diamondsz
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Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 3250 Location: , Candyland-Canada
Thanks: 87
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Posted: 11-23-05 21:51pm
Well thanks guys!!!
I guess I owe you all a hug lol!!! I
just wish people would actually stop
judging and not just me but with everyone
its so sickening.
Im off to bed almost 10 and well im
finally getting choclate out of my system
and I went and ordered another 15 lbs lol,
but I will share. I think im going to
church this weekend with elisa and say
thanks to you guys cause some of you
really deserve it as well as do some
praying lol!!
Have a good week!!
Jess
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 11-23-05 21:54pm
Please say some prayers for me as it is
hard in my situation to get to church
lately. Happy thanks giving to you and
you family.
Always
joanna
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cherrysodapop
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 72
Posted: 11-24-05 12:55pm
Ithink you should straight out tell her to
mind her own business!
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Lilypad
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 1043 Location: Ohio, USA
Posted: 11-24-05 13:29pm
Happy thanksgiving everyone!
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not perfect
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 135 Location: Illinois
Posted: 11-26-05 03:23am
I just saw this thread, even though i'm
almost 2 days late on replying.. I still
wanted to voice my opinion.
Diamondsz, I am completely with you on
this one. If it were me.. I would've
ordered another beer just to go over and
pour it on her head! Lol she should've
minded her own business.. Then her
getting racist is definitely way out of
line.
I have talked to my doctor just out of
curiousity about pregnancy. He has told
me that a glass of wine every now and then
is perfectly fine. I don't know about
beer though. He was telling me the yeast
in beer could be bad if you drink it
often, since they use the yeast to ferment
it faster unlike wine, they let it age on
its own. As with cigarettes, it's fine if
you smoke under 10 a day. But I don't see
how a beer once in a blue moon would be
harmful. Of course if a person is
drinking everyday and more than one glass
a day, it'll hurt your baby. That's only
common sense. If your doc says it's fine,
enjoy! I personally don't drink beer, I
like wine and champagne every so often
though.
People on here need to keep their mean
opinions to theirselves. If they don't
think drinking is right when pregnant,
then they shouldn't do it. That is their
opinion and should do how they think. Not
tell a person they're not good enough to
keep their baby because they don't have
the same beliefs. They are just
suckers.
As with the race thing.. We may be a
different color and look different on the
outside, but we are all the same color on
the inside, right? That's all that
matters. If one is happy with someone
that isn't "white", then let them be
happy. They're just jealous over the
others happiness. I have dated other
races, to me, they are all the same (well
different personalities of course).
People need to quit being stupid and look
past colors and see a person for who they
truly are.
So yes, that lady and a few others who
posted stepped over the boundries. I wish
you a happy pregnancy and enjoy it while
it lasts! But of course the real fun
starts after your baby is born. =)
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mum2bubba
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Joined: 29 Oct 2005 Posts: 256 Location: Australia
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Posted: 11-26-05 05:30am
Please do not drink or smoke when you're
pregnant, even if its only 1 beer a week
or whatever. I used to work in children
services (b4 I had my own daughter) and I
have seen little babie and children with
problems coz their mothers drank during
pregnancy. Its only 9 months of your life
where you should stop, everythng you
consume goes straight to your bubba, yes
there are millions of people who drink and
smoke and nothing happens to their babies,
but they are lucky, there a lots of people
who can't have children and would be
really angry if they knew a person was
putting her unborn child in danger (not
purposly though). Don't mean to be rude,
but you need to stop being selfish and
think about this little baby inside you.
My fiance's friend just gave birth to a
baby a few days ago, but unfortunenlty he
died 20 minutes later :(, his mother
smoked during pregnancy, but i'm not sure
if that was the cause of his death, but it
could have been. Please be careful. Good
luck. :)
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 11-26-05 10:03am
She had 1 beer during her pregancy, that
will not hurt the baby. She's not out
weekly drinking. A co-worker was
prescribed beer right before her daughter
was born to help bring on the milk, they'd
bring her a beer a day in the hosp the 3
days before she gave birth. And this was
only in 1989.
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 11-26-05 13:17pm
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
she had 1 beer during her
pregancy, that will not hurt the baby.
She's not out weekly drinking. A
co-worker was prescribed beer right before
her daughter was born to help bring on the
milk, they'd bring her a beer a day in the
hosp the 3 days before she gave birth.
And this was only in
1989.
wow .Now that is interesting. In case
you all missed it .I said the same thing.
A few beers will not hurt the baby. But
this is very interesting. Learn
something new everyday.