if you will read back
through numerous posts you will see that I
don't eat meat. I haven't eaten meat
since I realized what it was. Oh and I
don't wear fur or leather in case you are
wondering. I have a deep respect for
life.
do you wash your clothes? Take
showers? Ever take medication to help
you with a baterial infection? Then
you kill too.
i'm sorry but I don't equate bacteria and
germs with an animal or a human. It's
pretty stupid to do
so.
but we evolved from single celled
organisms! That germ cell you kill today
might have had descendants a billion years
from now that would be sentient! You just
killed a whole species... It's ridiculous
I know, but where is the line drawn?
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Carifairy
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Posted: 12-10-05 15:32pm
Eiri.. Thanks :) I think that people
throw around the selfish like it is always
a negative thing, when in fact "self care"
is very important. I donate to many
charities, and enjoy giving, but not
everyone has the means to do so. They
must act in a selfish way and consider
themselves and their family first, but
that is most important... Like I said, I
just think people throw that around around
a lot.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-11-05 01:46am
Yes there is selfishness that is good.
But one thing is being selfish and not
kill someone and other very different is
being selfish and kill someone.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 12-11-05 12:32pm
Exactly, many things in life are
subjective. Sure by having an abortion
you are killing, but it is justifiable in
my opinion because it violates my
autonomy. You may not think so, and thats
ok, but that doesn't make it law just
because you do not like it.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 12-11-05 12:42pm
Well said cairifairy, eiri, and
whatisupwiththat1. I get so tired of
hearing that someone is being selfish when
they have and abortion, when they do not
try to understand why, that is why alot of
women will not speak out about their
abortion plus it is really none of their
business why any way. It can be just as
selfish to have their own children instead
of adopt one, their are sooo many that
will never be adopted, that will never
know the basics of life, some of those
foster homes are no piece of cake and that
is what happens when so many of the
adoptions fail. You cannot prove that
the fetus zef will make it the 8-9 months
anyway. To many a zef is like a bad germ
or bad cancer, I would rather see them
aborted by a physician that knows what
he/she is doing, then self abort or have
the baby, abuse, neglect it or kill it
after it is born. I wish you could see
some of these babies and chidren brought
in to the hospital half beaten to death
some of them do not even make it,
sometimes because they were not wanted and
sometimes the parents, mainly mother's
mind just crack's, it is really sad!
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-11-05 22:24pm
whatisupwiththat1
wrote:
goodness is subjective.
You don't have the ultimate decision on
what is good or not.
surely not
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-11-05 22:25pm
carifairy
wrote:
sure by having an abortion
you are killing, but it is justifiable in
my opinion because it violates my
autonomy.
how sweet
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biancatooshort07
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Wait a Damn Minute Posted: 12-13-05 14:45pm
For thosw who asked is this pertaining to
pregnacy it is because it is a option for
pregnant women. I have seen the pics of
abortions and they are true, and if you
keep having abortions they will mess up
your body. If I have offeneded someone
sorry but 'm just trying to make people
aware of this epidemic. For those who got
raped then give it up for adoption you
still don't have to kill it. Hit me back
up
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oopoopoop
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Re: Wait a Damn Minute Posted: 12-13-05 16:13pm
biancatooshort07
wrote:
for thosw who asked is this
pertaining to pregnacy it is because it is
a option for pregnant women. I have seen
the pics of abortions and they are true,
and if you keep having abortions they will
mess up your body. If I have offeneded
someone sorry but 'm just trying to make
people aware of this epidemic. For those
who got raped then give it up for adoption
you still don't have to kill it. Hit me
back up
by the way, having a lot of children
really will mess up your body, so don't do
that either. In the meantime, if you get
raped, go ahead and keep the pregnancy.
Do what you like. Fortunately, you have
absolutely no more right to tell anyone
else what to do with their body than they
have to tell you what to do with yours. I
would have some great suggestions, though.
And they would not be very nice.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 12-13-05 17:32pm
Yes those pictures are doctored up..How do
I know? I assist in the abortion
procedure, and have seen what they look
like. You wana get raped and keep a baby?
More power to ya, but that's your choice
not mine.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-13-05 18:47pm
carifairy
wrote:
yes those pictures are
doctored up..How do I know? I assist in
the abortion procedure, and have seen what
they look like. You wana get raped and
keep a baby? More power to ya, but
that's your choice not
mine.
oh interesting...So carifairy are you an
ob/gyn nurse? Please tell us what you
have seen and what does it look like?
What term the babies were?
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Carifairy
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Posted: 12-13-05 20:38pm
I do not mind sharing. I had an abortion
at 7.5 weeks. It looks like a pool of
blood, you cannot see any pieces ect. You
see during an abortion the suction machine
basically liquifies the fetus, so
regardless of how far along you are it is
all blood and mush mostly. I have seen a
20 week abortion, and there is still
basically mush, but you can see fetal
parts. The 20 week aboriton I helped in
was a child with trisomy 18.
Abortions nowadays are all performed
basically the same way, with suction.
Unless the woman chooses labor and
delivery abortion. The baby is given a
shot into the heart which stops it, and an
early labor is induced. Many women with
fetal abnormalities choose this because
they want to babtise, and hold their baby.
For these women this is a horrible
situation, and a wanted pregnancy. They
may also get footprints and cremate the
remains and have a special urn.
**** the so called baby "malachi" pictures
are false because (the it would look like
ground up mush from the suction.
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Posted: 12-13-05 22:33pm
carifairy
wrote:
i do not mind sharing. I
had an abortion at 7.5 weeks. It looks
like a pool of blood, you cannot see any
pieces ect. You see during an abortion
the suction machine basically liquifies
the fetus, so regardless of how far along
you are it is all blood and mush mostly.
I have seen a 20 week abortion, and there
is still basically mush, but you can see
fetal parts. The 20 week aboriton I
helped in was a child with trisomy 18.
Abortions nowadays are all performed
basically the same way, with suction.
Unless the woman chooses labor and
delivery abortion. The baby is given a
shot into the heart which stops it, and an
early labor is induced. Many women with
fetal abnormalities choose this because
they want to babtise, and hold their baby.
For these women this is a horrible
situation, and a wanted pregnancy. They
may also get footprints and cremate the
remains and have a special urn.
**** the so called baby "malachi" pictures
are false because (the it would look like
ground up mush from the
suction.
oh, it is so sad women who have to abort
wanted babies because the child is in bad
condition! Yeah, i've seen the "baby
malachi" picture, and it is bunk.
I think it's sweet that those mothers have
special ways to mourn the baby they
couldn't have... Actually in japan there
is a practice that many mothers who
abort/miscarry perform called mizuyo kuyo,
which is basically making a little
figurine to represent the baby and placing
it at a buddhist temple. It helps them
deal with any feelings of guilt or loss
they may have afterwards.
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paganangel
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Posted: 12-13-05 22:40pm
Quote:
tr>
i have seen a 20
week abortion, and there is still
basically
mush
i've seen babies born at 20 weeks and they
don't look like mush...That's a sick thing
for you to say.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 12-13-05 23:02pm
paganangel
wrote:
Quote:
tr>
i have seen a 20
week abortion, and there is still
basically
mush
i've seen babies born at 20 weeks and they
don't look like mush...That's a sick thing
for you to
say.
there is a difference between born and
aborted. When aborted, they are turned to
mush. When born, they are whole.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 12-14-05 09:47am
carifairy
wrote:
i am in the nursing field
and work in abortion clinics, and do help
with the abortion procedure, and those
pictures are totally false. During an
early abortion the fetus is liquified, and
ground up, so there are no hands ect that
you would be able to
see.
liar. Keep lying and young girls can keep
coming to you filthy liars for abortions.
Ick.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 12-14-05 09:48am
carifairy
wrote:
riiiight. Has it ever
occured to you that not everyone believes
in "the lord"?? Also not everyone is
physically able to give birth, and some
people just may not want their bodies
wrecked.
you don't have to believe in the .Lord to
know that killing a child or anyone for
that matter is disgusting, immoral and
wrong. Pro-choice condones killing, that
is all there is to it. Stop debating it,
it's the simple fact. Your all killers.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 12-14-05 09:49am
eiri
wrote:
paganangel
wrote:
carifairy
wrote:
i am in the nursing field
and work in abortion clinics, and do help
with the abortion procedure, and those
pictures are totally false. During an
early abortion the fetus is liquified, and
ground up, so there are no hands ect that
you would be able to
see.
liquified and ground up boy that sure does
sound like a dignified death don't ya
think?
mmm hotdogs. You like hotdogs, don't
you? Or hamburgers? Ground up and
liquified. Do animals deserve dignified
deaths?
oh boooyyyyy.....Here we go again with cow
talk. We are above and superior to
animals. There is no wrong in killing
cows for meat. Get over it already will
you? Lol
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sunshine424
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Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 397 Location: New York
Posted: 12-14-05 09:51am
paganangel
wrote:
whatisupwiththat1
wrote:
paganangel
wrote:
if you will read back
through numerous posts you will see that I
don't eat meat. I haven't eaten meat
since I realized what it was. Oh and I
don't wear fur or leather in case you are
wondering. I have a deep respect for
life.
do you wash your clothes? Take
showers? Ever take medication to help
you with a baterial infection? Then
you kill too.
i'm sorry but I don't equate bacteria and
germs with an animal or a human. It's
pretty stupid to do
so.
....Or killing cancer in comparison to
killing a child. Oh .God help them! Lol
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Tazzy D
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Posted: 12-14-05 09:52am
carifairy
wrote:
i do not mind sharing. I
had an abortion at 7.5 weeks. It looks
like a pool of blood, you cannot see any
pieces ect. You see during an abortion
the suction machine basically liquifies
the fetus, so regardless of how far along
you are it is all blood and mush mostly.
I have seen a 20 week abortion, and there
is still basically mush, but you can see
fetal parts. The 20 week aboriton I
helped in was a child with trisomy 18.
Abortions nowadays are all performed
basically the same way, with suction.
Unless the woman chooses labor and
delivery abortion. The baby is given a
shot into the heart which stops it, and an
early labor is induced. Many women with
fetal abnormalities choose this because
they want to babtise, and hold their baby.
For these women this is a horrible
situation, and a wanted pregnancy. They
may also get footprints and cremate the
remains and have a special urn.
**** the so called baby "malachi" pictures
are false because (the it would look like
ground up mush from the
suction.
that is sad that a life could be
considered mush.... And at 20 weeks it
should be considered homicide... The
doctor should go to prison or whoever
administers the shot to stop the babies
heart.. At 20 weeks everything is pretty
much developed.. They can even identify
the sex of the baby at that point.. I
could never work in an abortion place.. I
agree with abortions to a point, but that
is really beyond pushing it..