tax brackets are stupid too. Just
like your 20 week
rule.
so you think everyone should be taxed the
same amount? Then the rich are getting
off easy, and the poor are hurt.
That's just lovely. And yeah, what
about your line, you draw it before the
egg implants, but it's already alive, it's
already dividing. You have your line,
I have mine. You have the right to
draw our line where you want, but you do
not have the right to draw my
line.
ideally, I wish nobody was taxed, period.
Im not going to debate who should be
taxed what. Yup, taxes suck but taxes
are not killing anyone innocent, like
abortion does. If you call what I
believe in a "line" so be it. At least
I am pro-life and value life, born and
unborn. Amen to
muah!
no you're not!! You're perfectly fine
with killing it via birth control or, I
bet, the morning after pill, just as long
as that living, dividing cell doesn't
implant!! You are the hypocrite!! You
are pro-"death" just like I am. You just
say it's illegal a lot sooner than I do.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 12-15-05 17:36pm
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
tax brackets are stupid too. Just
like your 20 week
rule.
so you think everyone should be taxed the
same amount? Then the rich are
getting off easy, and the poor are hurt.
That's just lovely. And yeah, what
about your line, you draw it before the
egg implants, but it's already alive, it's
already dividing. You have your line,
I have mine. You have the right to
draw our line where you want, but you do
not have the right to draw my
line.
ideally, I wish nobody was taxed, period.
Im not going to debate who should be
taxed what. Yup, taxes suck but taxes
are not killing anyone innocent, like
abortion does. If you call what I
believe in a "line" so be it. At least
I am pro-life and value life, born and
unborn. Amen to
muah!
no you're not!! You're perfectly fine
with killing it via birth control or, I
bet, the morning after pill, just as long
as that living, dividing cell doesn't
implant!! You are the hypocrite!!
You are pro-"death" just like I am. You
just say it's illegal a lot sooner than I
do.
no, your wrong. First off.....Birth
control has to fail for this "issue" of
the fertilizing egg not being implanted.
Considering the pill has a 3% failure
rate, this does not happen too often now
does it? And in the rarity it does, there
is not pregnancy until there is
implantation and that will not ever happen
on the pill. As we discussed.
And no....I do not believe in the morning
after pill. I have never taken that nor
ever will. I was on bc for 12 years. I
got off. I became pregnancy
unintentionally. I kept the pregnancy as
hard as it was to grasp at first. Now I
have a beyond beautiful, smart, energetic
little boy who has changed my life for the
best. Am I happy? You bet your buns!
;o)
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biancatooshort07
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Wait Another Damn Minute???? Posted: 12-16-05 10:30am
No I am not at all trying to tell anyone
what to do with their body but I would
like mrs. Poopoopoo to tell me what she
could say to me. Because all you're even
replying with is exactly what poopoopoo is
caca caca caca. Yo're acting really
ignorant to the fact is all we are
discussing is a very important issue and
if you can not deal with that then please
don not reply anymore
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Carifairy
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Posted: 12-16-05 12:22pm
Sunshine.. It is wonderful that you are
happy! It should not be any other way.
Thats kind of the point, to be happy with
each persons individual choice. I am
happy that I had my abortions, because if
was forced to carry a pregnancy my
depression would have worsened, and my
autonomy violated. You are happy with
your son, I am happy with my choice. I
would not take my choice back for
anything, and neither would you... I
respect your choice, all we are asking of
you is to respect our right to choose what
is best for us. You do not have to
respect our abortion, just our rights as
individual women to choose what is best
for us, and that includes keeping an
unplanned pregnancy.
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oopoopoop
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Re: Wait Another Damn Minute???? Posted: 12-16-05 12:36pm
biancatooshort07
wrote:
no I am not at all trying to
tell anyone what to do with their body but
I would like mrs. Poopoopoo to tell me
what she could say to me. Because all
you're even replying with is exactly what
poopoopoo is health question health
question health question. Yo're acting
really ignorant to the fact is all we are
discussing is a very important issue and
if you can not deal with that then please
don not reply
anymore
i guess on her planet that means
something. Lol.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 12-16-05 14:54pm
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
tax brackets are stupid too. Just
like your 20 week
rule.
so you think everyone should be taxed the
same amount? Then the rich are
getting off easy, and the poor are hurt.
That's just lovely. And yeah,
what about your line, you draw it before
the egg implants, but it's already alive,
it's already dividing. You have your
line, I have mine. You have the
right to draw our line where you want, but
you do not have the right to draw my
line.
ideally, I wish nobody was taxed, period.
Im not going to debate who should be
taxed what. Yup, taxes suck but taxes
are not killing anyone innocent, like
abortion does. If you call what I
believe in a "line" so be it. At
least I am pro-life and value life, born
and unborn. Amen to
muah!
no you're not!! You're perfectly fine
with killing it via birth control or, I
bet, the morning after pill, just as long
as that living, dividing cell doesn't
implant!! You are the hypocrite!!
You are pro-"death" just like I am.
You just say it's illegal a lot sooner
than I do.
no, your wrong. First off.....Birth
control has to fail for this "issue" of
the fertilizing egg not being implanted.
Considering the pill has a 3% failure
rate, this does not happen too often now
does it? And in the rarity it does,
there is not pregnancy until there is
implantation and that will not ever happen
on the pill. As we discussed.
And no....I do not believe in the morning
after pill. I have never taken that nor
ever will. I was on bc for 12 years. I
got off. I became pregnancy
unintentionally. I kept the pregnancy as
hard as it was to grasp at first. Now I
have a beyond beautiful, smart, energetic
little boy who has changed my life for the
best. Am I happy? You bet your buns!
;o)
i never said it happened often. But can't
you see that in the chances that this does
happen, the egg is dividing and is
alive?!? Don't you understand that fact?
No, it's not "technically" a pregnancy
because it has not implanted yet, but it
is still alive. I know that it does not
let the egg implant, duh, "sunshine",
that's how it kills the fertilized,
unimplanted egg. By flushing it out.
Hello, ms. Pro-death. "it's okay only
when I don't know i'm doing it!" gag.
Your fault for getting pregnant darlin',
since you're the one who went off birth
control. Don't preach how you're so
superior for suffering through having the
baby, you could have aborted. I hate
martyrs.
I am baby free, and i'm happy too! It is
possible to not procreate and still be
happy!
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-16-05 19:52pm
carifairy
wrote:
you do not have to respect
our abortion, just our rights as
individual women to choose what is best
for us, and that includes keeping an
unplanned
pregnancy.
carifairy I can see how ending the life of
someone else is best for you, but is your
decision the best for the baby?
I have not yet met a single woman that
have had an unintended pregancy that after
having the baby had wished she had
aborted. N.E.V.E.R.
You would think that you might had been
unhappy having the child but you know
maybe that child could have bringed you
much happiness. He/she could have been
someone important who could have made a
difference in this world and you would
have been very proud.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 12-17-05 01:00am
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
tax brackets are stupid too. Just
like your 20 week
rule.
so you think everyone should be taxed the
same amount? Then the rich are
getting off easy, and the poor are hurt.
That's just lovely. And yeah,
what about your line, you draw it before
the egg implants, but it's already alive,
it's already dividing. You have
your line, I have mine. You have
the right to draw our line where you want,
but you do not have the right to draw my
line.
ideally, I wish nobody was taxed, period.
Im not going to debate who should be
taxed what. Yup, taxes suck but
taxes are not killing anyone innocent,
like abortion does. If you call
what I believe in a "line" so be it.
At least I am pro-life and value life,
born and unborn. Amen to
muah!
no you're not!! You're perfectly fine
with killing it via birth control or, I
bet, the morning after pill, just as long
as that living, dividing cell doesn't
implant!! You are the hypocrite!!
You are pro-"death" just like I am.
You just say it's illegal a lot sooner
than I do.
no, your wrong. First off.....Birth
control has to fail for this "issue" of
the fertilizing egg not being implanted.
Considering the pill has a 3% failure
rate, this does not happen too often now
does it? And in the rarity it does,
there is not pregnancy until there is
implantation and that will not ever happen
on the pill. As we discussed.
And no....I do not believe in the morning
after pill. I have never taken that nor
ever will. I was on bc for 12 years.
I got off. I became pregnancy
unintentionally. I kept the pregnancy
as hard as it was to grasp at first.
Now I have a beyond beautiful, smart,
energetic little boy who has changed my
life for the best. Am I happy? You
bet your buns!
;o)
i never said it happened often. But
can't you see that in the chances that
this does happen, the egg is dividing and
is alive?!? Don't you understand that
fact? No, it's not "technically" a
pregnancy because it has not implanted
yet, but it is still alive. I know that
it does not let the egg implant, duh,
"sunshine", that's how it kills the
fertilized, unimplanted egg. By flushing
it out. Hello, ms. Pro-death. "it's
okay only when I don't know i'm doing it!"
gag.
Your fault for getting pregnant darlin',
since you're the one who went off birth
control. Don't preach how you're so
superior for suffering through having the
baby, you could have aborted. I hate
martyrs.
I am baby free, and i'm happy too! It is
possible to not procreate and still be
happy!
um...Did I say it wasn't my fault for
getting pregnant reject? No. Are you
delusional again? A martyr? Your a loon,
have you been told that before? I did not
suffer while I was pregnant nor while I
was delivering, thank you. I think i'm
normal for having the baby, not superior.
That's what normal woman do when they
become pregnant....Have the baby. Duh!
Boyeeeeeee.......What a concept!!!!!!!!!
You mean we are supposed to have those
babies???? Hahahahah what a fruitcake you
are eiri!
I loved every minute of feeling my sweet
nicolas move inside of me and I love every
minute of life with him now. I never put
suffer and nicolas in the same sentence,
it's just not possible. "could have had
an abortion" you say. .N.Ever, never
never. I'm not an evil, twisted, skanky,
loser beast killing woman, as so many
skanks out there are.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 12-17-05 10:53am
nightangel73
wrote:
i have not yet met a single woman that
have had an unintended pregancy that after
having the baby had wished she had
aborted. N.E.V.E.R.
i do. She was 17 and everyone told her
she should have the baby. Well, she did.
She feels her life is more or less ruined
now. Sure, she loves her daughter. And
she resents her every day.
But it's not socially acceptable to say
that to most people. This girl knew I
would not condemn her for admitting it,
although most other people would.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-17-05 11:51am
poopoopoo
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
i have not yet met a single woman that
have had an unintended pregancy that after
having the baby had wished she had
aborted. N.E.V.E.R.
i do. She was 17 and everyone told her
she should have the baby. Well, she did.
She feels her life is more or less
ruined now. Sure, she loves her
daughter. And she resents her every
day.
you can't love someone and wish he/she was
aborted at the same time dear. Now if she
is upset for the mistake she did of having
sex without protection and having to raise
a child as consequence that is a different
story. I could clearly see how she can
resent that.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 12-17-05 13:54pm
Nightangel you asked me a question, and
this is my answer :)
if a woman decides to keep an unintended
pregnancy, let's say for the sake of
argument I did, she(i) is making a
decision to be a mother. (unless of
course she adopts her child to an adoptive
family) if I said "okay, I am keeping my
baby!", then of course I would have to
make the best of it. That baby did not
ask to be born, it did not knock on my
ovary door and beg to be born, I chose it.
If I choose to give birth and become a
mother, then it is my responsibilty to do
whats best for that child. It would be my
responsibility to raise that child, and to
make sure it is healthy and happy... But
I would truly not be happy, I am
childfree. I like children, but my life
is great the way it is without them.
Children would put a huge inconvenience on
my life, and I am mature enough to admit
that. Yes women who have unplanned
pregnancies do not regret having the baby,
because they made a concious choice to
have the baby. Some women do regret
having babies so young, and some women
regret their abortions. Not all women
regret abortions, and not all women regret
having their unplanned babies. It is all
about choice, and doing what is best for
the woman. That is why they do not regret
having a baby, because they made a choice
that makes them happy. Some women do
regret though. That is why women are
happy after an abortion, because they made
a choice that they wanted, and yes some do
regret. But overall women who are allowed
to think for themselves are happy with the
results.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-18-05 00:21am
carifairy
wrote:
nightangel you asked me a
question, and this is my answer :)
if a woman decides to keep an unintended
pregnancy, let's say for the sake of
argument I did, she(i) is making a
decision to be a mother. (unless of
course she adopts her child to an adoptive
family) if I said "okay, I am keeping my
baby!", then of course I would have to
make the best of it. That baby did not
ask to be born, it did not knock on my
ovary door and beg to be born, I chose it.
If I choose to give birth and become a
mother, then it is my responsibilty to do
whats best for that child. It would be
my responsibility to raise that child, and
to make sure it is healthy and happy...
But I would truly not be happy, I am
childfree. I like children, but my life
is great the way it is without them.
Children would put a huge inconvenience on
my life, and I am mature enough to admit
that. Yes women who have unplanned
pregnancies do not regret having the baby,
because they made a concious choice to
have the baby. Some women do regret
having babies so young, and some women
regret their abortions. Not all women
regret abortions, and not all women regret
having their unplanned babies. It is all
about choice, and doing what is best for
the woman. That is why they do not
regret having a baby, because they made a
choice that makes them happy. Some women
do regret though. That is why women are
happy after an abortion, because they made
a choice that they wanted, and yes some do
regret. But overall women who are
allowed to think for themselves are happy
with the
results.
see carifairy this is what I don't
understand. If you choose to have sex you
are choosing a possible pregnancy because
a pregnancy is a direct consequence of
sex. Same as smoking if you get a lung
cancer when you choose to smoke you choose
to accept to have a lung cancer. That's
why the old phrase says "play with fire
and you will get burned" why can't we be
just responsible in making the right
choices? Why do we need to approve laws
that support irresponsability? For that
we will have more and more girls
recklessly having sex with a mindset of oh
well if I am pregnant I will abort the
child. How wonderful. I am sorry
carifairy i'm just disturbed by
irresponsability. Makes me sick.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 12-18-05 00:27am
poopoopoo
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
i have not yet met a single woman that
have had an unintended pregancy that after
having the baby had wished she had
aborted. N.E.V.E.R.
i do. She was 17 and everyone told her
she should have the baby. Well, she did.
She feels her life is more or less
ruined now. Sure, she loves her
daughter. And she resents her every
day.
But it's not socially acceptable to say
that to most people. This girl knew I
would not condemn her for admitting it,
although most other people
would.
she's 17. Any mature adult would not
blame the child for it being born for
pete's sake. What a joke to blame the
baby for being born. It didn't conceive
itself. :roll: at least we can give
her credit for not killing it. Score a
point there. :roll:
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sunshine424
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Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 397 Location: New York
Posted: 12-18-05 00:30am
nightangel73
wrote:
carifairy
wrote:
nightangel you asked me a
question, and this is my answer :)
if a woman decides to keep an unintended
pregnancy, let's say for the sake of
argument I did, she(i) is making a
decision to be a mother. (unless of
course she adopts her child to an adoptive
family) if I said "okay, I am keeping my
baby!", then of course I would have to
make the best of it. That baby did not
ask to be born, it did not knock on my
ovary door and beg to be born, I chose it.
If I choose to give birth and become a
mother, then it is my responsibilty to do
whats best for that child. It would be
my responsibility to raise that child, and
to make sure it is healthy and happy...
But I would truly not be happy, I am
childfree. I like children, but my life
is great the way it is without them.
Children would put a huge inconvenience on
my life, and I am mature enough to admit
that. Yes women who have unplanned
pregnancies do not regret having the baby,
because they made a concious choice to
have the baby. Some women do regret
having babies so young, and some women
regret their abortions. Not all women
regret abortions, and not all women regret
having their unplanned babies. It is
all about choice, and doing what is best
for the woman. That is why they do not
regret having a baby, because they made a
choice that makes them happy. Some
women do regret though. That is why
women are happy after an abortion, because
they made a choice that they wanted, and
yes some do regret. But overall women
who are allowed to think for themselves
are happy with the
results.
see carifairy this is what I don't
understand. If you choose to have sex
you are choosing a possible pregnancy
because a pregnancy is a direct
consequence of sex. Same as smoking if
you get a lung cancer when you choose to
smoke you choose to accept to have a lung
cancer. That's why the old phrase says
"play with fire and you will get burned"
why can't we be just responsible in making
the right choices? Why do we need to
approve laws that support
irresponsability? For that we will have
more and more girls recklessly having sex
with a mindset of oh well if I am pregnant
I will abort the child. How wonderful.
I am sorry carifairy i'm just disturbed
by irresponsability. Makes me
sick.
what you said is right on the money.
Society always promotes irresponsibility.
It's sickening. Nightangel you will find
that the pro-choice here say abortion is
responsible. Yup, I know, hard to grasp,
isn't it?
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sandyallen
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Posted: 12-18-05 00:35am
Yes, their are a lot of women that have
regretted having their babies, their are a
lot of women that have had their children
taken away because they do not want to
take care of them, their are some
grandparents that are raising their
grandkids because the mother does not want
to. Some mothers give them to foster
homes because they do not want the
children.
Just because you can become pregnant does
not make you a good parent.
I do agree that some women have regretted
having their abortions but a lot of them
feel that they were pushed into having the
abortions done and are a little naive and
do not realize that they had choices at
the time and their are also times that the
problem was before the abortion but they
blame it on the abortion their are some
women that feel bad and do not seek help,
even though their is help before and after
but they do not want to ask, we offer help
without them asking.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 12-18-05 03:39am
I have an iud, that is birth control. It
is still not 100% though. I am
responsible.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-18-05 10:39am
carifairy
wrote:
i have an iud, that is birth
control. It is still not 100% though.
I am
responsible.
you are responsible using the birth
control. Now be responsible to accept a
pregnancy using the birth control as you
know that it can happen.
I too am on birth control and I know the
pills aren't 100% therefore I am prepared
to have a baby.
I tell you this carifairy if you ever
become pregnant using your iud please
carry the baby to term and then give it to
me, I will take care of the baby for you
ok?
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Carifairy
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Posted: 12-18-05 14:52pm
A pregnancy with an iud has an 80 % chance
of miscarrying if you take the iud out.
It also has over a 60% chance of
miscarrying if you leave it in. It also
causes septic miscarriages. If I get
pregnant with this iud I will have it
removed, terminate the pregnancy, and have
another one put in.
Selfishness is expecting other people to
live the way you want them to, without
regards to their feelings, wants and
needs.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-18-05 15:37pm
carifairy
wrote:
selfishness is expecting other people to
live the way you want them to, without
regards to their feelings, wants and
needs.
you are absolutetly right about
selfishness and that is exactly our point
of us pro-lifer's. When you decide
to abort you are not taking into
consideration the feelings, wants and
needs of the baby in your womb!!!!That
baby doesn't want to be suctioned by a
medical vacuum cleaner and die, the baby
wants to live!! I or anyone would prefer
to live in a foster home for several years
intead of being killed.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-18-05 15:48pm
And by the way carifairy out of
curiousity..Why don't you get your tubes
tied or have your man have a vasectomy?
