Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
This Is Fatfamily--i Finally Got a Dr Appt Posted: 12-19-05 22:30pm
I have finally got a .Dr appt for my
pregnancy. Come to find out we have a
hospital here--county hospital and
university that has outpatient clinics and
maternity is one of them.
I told them my story and I told them if I
can just "prove I am indeed pregnant"
that I could get medical care for it.
They said it's okay--we can just bill you,
and when you get medicaid just call and
well, charge to them. Yeah!!!
The one nurse did say "that it is
possible not to get the .H.C.G" to come
out if it is ectopic pregnancy. (which
mine is--since it is 'outta place' in my
abdomen) she also said "why dint the
hospital do an ultra sound??? And the
other nurse told me too high risk
pregnancy have to go to university
of washingtom medical center. It is one
of the top 10 hospitals in the united
states---kewl huh??
I am so happy--dec 28th they got me in
for. Pretty fast--and she was
apologizing for waiting that long--nine
days --i cant wait.
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sweetbabyrae
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 88 Location: traverse city,mi
Posted: 12-19-05 22:37pm
So you have an ectoptic pregnancy? Im
sorry to hear about that! I hope all goes
well. Sounds like you are able to get
care for it...I thought though, that for
an ectoptic it was kind of an emergency to
get it taken care of? Anyway..Good luck
to you!
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 12-19-05 22:54pm
I have known from the beginning that if
dr's could find the baby--they would try
and kill it or take it out. I was
prepared for that and told them when I did
go in that "they better not touch my
baby"
but I have as of yet gotten one to listen
to me--cuz the .H.C.G did not come
out--even though I told them I feel it
move and I feel the heartbeat.
So I finally got a .Dr's appt to be seen.
For prenatal care and possible ultra
sound of my baby's. I believe it is 2
for I feel 2 seperate body's. I am 25
weeks pregnant in my abdomen. Not in the
tube--everyone just assumes tubal--when a
person says ectopic--but ectopic can be on
ovary, in the tube, on the cervix, on
other organs, or even on the bowel. I
believe they are attached to my ovary's
and surrounding organs.
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sweetbabyrae
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 88 Location: traverse city,mi
Posted: 12-19-05 23:00pm
I see. How can you tell that there are
two different babies? I wouldnt be able
to do that!!
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 12-19-05 23:13pm
If they were just in your abdomen you
would. I have felt everything. Felt
the bag around 5 weeks past ovulation--7
weeks pregnant. I felt movement before
9 th week. That baby was laying right
against my skin. Baby was almost in rib
cage by 10 weeks. It is totally
different than baby in uterus. Totally
different.
I feel one baby laying on my left
side--mostly towards the top of my skin.
The other one I feel in my back. (on
the right side) I feel his head arms and
body moving about just below my shoulder
blade and downward. When I put too much
pressure on them, I feel like little bones
poking me and I change positions. They
have both layed sideways in my belly at
one time or another. But now they dont
have enough room to flip different sides.
I feel like one is kinda head down,
while the other on my back is head up.
It is completely different--but I havent
really got to explain too much. Very
painful and if someone touches my stomache
anywhere- I feel like puking and almost
pass out. The baby on my back has hurt
my ribs on back and my body is deforming
to make room for them. My ribcage is
outta shape and hugh. Way different
from normal.
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Cambion
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Posted: 12-19-05 23:39pm
Wow, that's craziness that you have two
babies floating around in your body.
Definitely one hell of a rare thing to not
only have an abdominal pregnancy, but
twins too. I know with abdominal
pregnancies there are tremendous risks to
you, and i'm sure those risks are higher
with two babies developing. I sure hope
you'll be okay and your babies will be
okay too. I have only ever heard of one
case of an abdominal pregnancy being
carried to term, so hopefully your babies
will be delivered safely and in good
health.
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 12-20-05 00:17am
cambion
wrote:
wow, that's craziness that
you have two babies floating around in
your body. Definitely one hell of a rare
thing to not only have an abdominal
pregnancy, but twins too. I know with
abdominal pregnancies there are tremendous
risks to you, and i'm sure those risks are
higher with two babies developing. I
sure hope you'll be okay and your babies
will be okay too. I have only ever heard
of one case of an abdominal pregnancy
being carried to term, so hopefully your
babies will be delivered safely and in
good health.
yes, thank you here are some intersting
facts I have gathered about it.
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 12-20-05 08:04am
Thats right!!! Thanks
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 12-20-05 08:10am
Yes, me too. The first clinic I called
said, we cant see you here--go to
university of washington, too high risk we
can't see you here.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 12-20-05 09:44am
That's good joanna, did you tell them you
have no uterus or did you not say
anything?
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 12-20-05 14:16pm
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
that's good joanna, did you
tell them you have no uterus or did you
not say
anything?
yes, I did tell them. That is why they
say it is too high risk. And the nurse
also confirmed that in ectopic .H.C.G
doesnt always come out. They also asked
why the hospital did not do u/sound.
They said they should have done one!!! I
said---right!!
But they just called me back and said they
cancelled my appt. And I will have to
get medical then see a dr to be referred
to them.
She didnt even care. I said this is
university of washington---the appt I have
on the 28th---she says yes, I cancelled
it---i said thanks and hung up---
if my husband continues to get his
unemployment(which I think his ex-boss
just messed that up for him) we make just
a little too much to get medical. Unless
I prove I am indeed preg. And I called
the clinics they say I am too high risk to
see me!!! Whatever---never ending
circle that has no door.
I told her, I am 25 weeks preg with no pre
natal care---i started to cry---now my
heart s hurting---cant get stressed.
Now you are all gonna think im lying---im
not I swear ---they are treating me like
this.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 12-20-05 15:27pm
Well all I can say then is medical care in
the u.S.A absolutely sucks!!!! If
you're in seattle, drive up to british
columbia and go somewhere there!
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chrissy721
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Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 817 Location: Somewhere out there
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Posted: 12-20-05 16:57pm
I agree with you about medical care sucks!
It's not like the lady isn't paying them
to do the tests. I think she should be
taken care of and told exactly what's
going on with her body! If it's high
risk, can she go to the er and have them
do the test? I can't believe that they
would just turn you away like that!
Maybe there is another place like lilblaze
said to try. Good luck to you. There
is obviously something going on with your
body and you need to be able to have the
care you need.
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 12-20-05 19:21pm
lil_blaze2004
wrote:
well all I can say then is
medical care in the u.S.A absolutely
sucks!!!! If you're in seattle, drive
up to british columbia and go somewhere
there!
yes I am in seattle---never been in
another country lol
do you have to have passport to go into
canada??
Right by ya(canada) here!!!
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not perfect
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Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 135 Location: Illinois
Posted: 12-20-05 19:23pm
If you went there and they set up an
appointment for you because they did not
want to mess with thing because of high
risk, they cannot cancel it. I've read
more about abdominal pregnancies, and
there was even a show on discovery health
last night about them. One woman was
pregnant for 46 years and they finally
removed the baby when it was calcified.
By law they cannot turn you away. They
know there is always a chance for
pregnancy when you still have your ovaries
and tubes, whether you have a uterus or
not. I would go back in there, demand
them to do an ultrasound. Make sure you
tell them that if they refuse to do one or
treat you, if you die, your family will
own them and the hospital.
Abdominal pregnancies are nothing to mess
around with. Since the baby cannot attach
itself to the uterus, it attaches itself
to organs. If the body "rejects" the baby
being there because it doesn't recognize
and knows nothing is suppose to be on
there, it will release it. Which means it
will stop the blood supply to the
baby/babies and you will be bleeding
internally which could also kill the
mother.
If you are 6 months pregnant, in about
another month the baby/babies will need to
be removed and put in the icu. They take
the babies out at around 7 months because
the body cannot handle a child growing
full term in another place than the uterus
and causes things to rupture.
If your husband is on unemployment and you
do not work, you are able to get medical
assistance. It does not matter how much
unemployment he gets, you will still get a
medical card. Might have to pay a
deductible, but you can at least get into
a doctor instead of going to the er. My
mom made almost $100k a year at a job, was
laid off and got a good chunk for
unemployment. We still got medical
cards, just had to pay a deductible, which
is billed later.
I have read all of your posts but decided
to stay quiet about them. Now things are
starting to get serious with you being
closer to 7 months, you need to start
putting more effort into things. Not just
for your baby/babies health, but yours
too. You all can die if you don't try
hard enough.
Instead of saying "thanks" and hanging up,
you should've thrown a fit. If my life
and my childrens would've been in danger,
I sure as hell wouldn't have said thanks
and hung up. So storm in there, throw a
fit, and faint if you have to.
You say you're a woman of .God. But .God
would not do this, the devil would. But
.God is much more powerful, isn't he? I'm
sure .He would forgive you if you told a
little white lie just so they can attend
to you so you all don't die.
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 12-20-05 19:58pm
Thank you for a decent reply--seriously
i did throw a fit first. I was on the
phone for awhile and all she wanted was to
tell me she cancelled my appt. It was
the other low cost clinic that told me
they couldnt see me for it was too high
risk---they told me to call this hospital
and I did.
I have been to .Er 3 different times...And
they quit as soon as they realize .H.C.G
is not present. (even though it is
proven that .H.C.G doesnt always show up
with ectopic pregnancy) but if that is
what I will have to do---i will go again.
You dont understand though. I am in
horrible pain most of the time from
pressure in there. I cannot sit
straight up even to go to the toilet--i
have to stay in a leaned back position and
the car doesnt work too well for that.
I have pain while laying most of the time
now too--for the baby's lay and put great
pressure on my back. It is not like
just jump up and go in the car anywhere
anymore. And when I am experiencing
pains really bad all I want to do is find
some way to get comfortable.
So.... Sitting at the .Er for 6 hours
like last time is not even an option I
plan to endure again. That is why I am
trying to get someone to see me, so I can
"prove" I am indeed preg, so I can get
medical for this. I do throw a
fit---and that makes them offended with
me, and they are less responsive to me
then.
I am seriously trying to get help though.
Emails to the clinics, phone calls,
email to malpractice lawyer, I am
trying---i know I need to go in now---it
is time. And if they dont do something
other than .Er visit---that is what I will
do.
Oh and my own grandmother had a
petrified(calcified fetus) fetus for over
25 years in her uterus. Still having
periods and what signaled them to do
something she started bleeding every 2
weeks. I also have a link for abdominal
pregnancy. The lady said pregnancy was
fine and then nothing. She said she had
been pregnant 3 years ago.
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not perfect
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Nov 2005 Posts: 135 Location: Illinois
Posted: 12-20-05 20:35pm
I understand that you are in pain,
especially reading and hearing others
stories. But you need to do whatever you
can, which means lying since they don't
want to believe you. Tell them you think
you have a tumor or cysts that is huge,
let them feel it (which they will feel the
babies), they will do an ultrasound. I
had a couple small cysts on my ovaries,
and 2 days later they had me come in to
have a u/s done.
I didn't mean for you to take any of that
offensively. I mostly wanted some of the
other girls to read that so they can
*possibly* understand more as these things
do happen, actually happening more often
now days (now about 1 in 100 can have an
abdominal pregnancy). I don't care for
arguing with people over a forum that
much, which is never really why I posted a
while back with seeing your posts. But
now that it's gone on longer, things are a
lot more serious. The only things I don't
understand is how you really got
pregnant.. If they removed your uterus,
means they closed up your cervix, making
it impossible for sperm to fertilize the
egg. Unless they messed up and didn't
seal it all the way.. But you'd think
you'd be bleeding a lot of that were the
case. Still, anything can happen if it's
meant to be.
If you have to, call 911 and request an
ambulance. Tell them you think something
just burst in your stomach. Anything.
Anymore when it comes to going to the er,
you have to over exaggerate to be seen in
a prompt manner. Just do not tell them
about your pregnancy, since all they will
do are a urine and blood test and send you
on your way. It's amazing to me that
these people are actually telling you to
leave and go home without doing any
further tests to why your stomach is
getting bigger. Even if it turned out you
weren't pregnant after all of this, it is
a serious health problem that needs looked
at, and they're looking past that.
Good luck with everything. And don't
forget to lie if need be to be seen.
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 12-20-05 20:43pm
You did not offend me---i was pleased with
a productive--response, with support
behind it!!! Thank you
yes, I will do something soon you can
count on it. By the time I was suppose
to go for appt. Which would have been
the 28th. I was so happy they were gonna
help me, and I could actually get my meds
back and get to see my baby's like
everyone else gets too.
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Keekiluv
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Sep 2005 Posts: 98 Location: Tennessee
Fatfamily02's Pregnancy Posted: 12-21-05 01:22am
I believe that anything's possible and no
one should never question the work that
god is capable of, but joanna, you're
making it kind of tough. Like some
others, I have read your posts and have
never responded, because I never wanted to
say anything that would hurt your
feelings. I have seen on the
discovery channel and on talk shows that
it is possible to carry a child outside
your uterus, I hate when people say
hurtful things to you, but when I am
cheering for you, you come back and say
something that take that support away.
The charity hospitals and clinics in the
area that I live, do require that you have
a confirmed (positive test) pregnancy,
before they start the prenatal visits, but
I have never seen where the charity
hospitals turn someone down because of
what they are telling them what is going
on with their bodies. If anything
they would be running tests to prove the
person wrong. There is also a
situation as: tmi(too much info), when
instead of letting them tell you what is
going on, you're telling them. I
have read soooo many of your posts, i'm to
the point of researching on how much it
would cost for you to go to the doctors
and sending you the money to have the
pregnancy confirmed.
I have had (4) high-risk pregnancies and I
know that it is important that you are
monitored by health officials on a regular
basis, for the health of both the mother
and child. In one of my pregnancies,
my case was transferred from one doctor to
another because of the high risk, so I
know that much that you're saying is true.
Hospitals can be sued if they refuse
to treat a patient, if only to prep them
to be transferred to another facility.
I have never seen a person to be that
large at 25 weeks as you are in those
pictures and I am a large girl also, we
tend not to show as much as others who are
smaller. If you are pregnant, maybe
you are carrying twins, or if you're
diabetic, it's a "sugar baby", but if it's
either one of those you should be running
to the doctor's.
You should not be looking for anyone
approval here, you should be looking out
for the welfare of your child(ren) and
yourself. No one here can do
anything for you but offer an opinion
either good or bad. Really this
have turned into a "soap opera" to me, I
cannot wait to see what's going to happen
next. You do seem to have so much
compassion towards others, but is not
showing any for yourself or your family if
you allow for this pregnancy to kill you.
What good would you have served then?
You seem to be so well read on other
topics for others, use some of that to
help yourself. I believe that you
are on the internet enough to have
research ways of receiving help for
yourself.
illusion or hallucination? Cholecystitis
presenting as pseudopregnancy in
schizophrenia
jeffrey m. Benzick, m.D.,
neurobehavioral sciences flight, wilford
hall usaf medical center/university of
texas health sciences center at san
antonio, texas
to the editor: pseudopregnancy as the
presenting sign of a medical illness is a
rarely reported psychiatric condition.
However, it has been reported in
association with alcohol-induced liver
failure,1 systemic lupus erythematosus,2
abdominal neoplasia,3 persistent corpus
luteum,4 pituitary tumor,5 and
hyponatremia.6 there is only one reference
to pseudopregnancy as the presenting
symptom of abdominal surgery—in that
case, the patient swallowed open safety
pins.7 a nonpregnant woman presenting with
a fixed, false belief that she is pregnant
is often diagnosed with pseudocyesis.
However, in these cases the disorder of
thought content is limited strictly to the
insistence on being pregnant despite
medical evidence to the contrary. As
this patient's disorder was likely an
extension of her underlying schizophrenia,
it would not correctly be categorized as
pseudocyesis.8 I present here the case of
a patient who presented with a false
pregnancy and offer a discussion of the
misinterpretation of physical symptoms by
some psychiatric patients.
Case report
ms. W., a mildly obese african american
woman in her late thirties, presented to
the emergency room (er) screaming with
pain, stating she was 9 months pregnant
and about to deliver. Both the er
physician and the obstetrics resident
examined her. A quantitative b-hcg and
an ultrasound were obtained. The results
of both studies were negative. When ms.
W. Was told she was not pregnant, she
angrily cursed at the er staff, claiming
that they were colluding in a plot against
her and her baby. On physical
examination, she appeared of stated age
with a significantly distended abdomen.
Ms. W.'s umbilicus was inverted, and she
had normal bowel sounds. No abdominal
palpation was documented. Gynecologic
exam revealed no other changes associated
with pregnancy. The remainder of the
physical examination was unremarkable.
Psychiatry was consulted. Ms. W.'s
medical records indicated a long history
of schizophrenia treated with
trifluoperazine (stelazine), a typical
antipsychotic. As she persisted in her
belief of pregnancy, she was admitted to
the inpatient psychiatry unit.
On further interview, ms. W. Persisted
in her belief of being pregnant. She
stated she had been pregnant 10 or more
times and that "doctors from space" would
somehow remove these children from her
belly while she was asleep. Ms. W.
Did not know the name of her outpatient
psychiatrist and did not know the last
time she had taken her medication.
Mental status exam revealed a neatly
dressed and groomed woman who spoke with
normal rate, volume, and prosody. She
had very mild suppressible lip smacking,
otherwise no abnormal psychomotor
activity. Ms. W.'s thought processes
were circumstantial and her thought
content was dominated by the
aforementioned delusion. She was without
suicidal or homicidal ideation.
On intake physical examination, ms. W.
Had a murphy's sign (pain on inspiration
during palpation of the right upper
abdominal quadrant). A right upper
quadrant (ruq) ultrasound was ordered;
however, the evening before the study ms.
W. Experienced an episode of extreme
abdominal pain and was returned to the
emergency room. Once again, she believed
these were labor pains. A ruq ultrasound
showed evidence of cholecystitis and
several gallstones. Ms. W. Was
scheduled for cholecystectomy. When it
was explained to her that she had an
inflamed gallbladder as the cause of her
pain, she did seem to finally accept that
she was not pregnant. Ms. W. Did,
though, express that she hoped the surgeon
would "look around inside just to make
sure."
discussion
the most common physical signs present in
women with false pregnancy include
abdominal enlargement, menstrual
disturbance, quickening, a history of
infertility, breast changes, weight gain,
galactorrhea, cervical softening, and
uterine enlargement. The mechanism of
abdominal distention in false pregnancy is
unknown, but theories have included excess
bowel gas, gaseous uterine distention,
fecal impaction, bladder retention, or
abdominal wall muscle spasm. In contrast
to a normal pregnancy, the umbilicus
remains inverted, in the abdominal
distention of a false pregnancy (as in ms.
W.'s case).9
there is value in distinguishing
hallucination from illusion, particularly
in working with a chronically mentally ill
population. Hallucinations are false
sensory perceptions that have no basis in
actual external stimuli. In other words,
hallucinations are completely a construct
of the patient's mind. For example,
visual hallucinations do not disappear
when these patients close their
eyes—hallucinations are a creation of
the mind, not of the eyes. Illusions,
though, are misperceptions or
misinterpretations of very real stimuli.
Ms. W. Suffered from severe pain
secondary to an inflamed gallbladder. As
do many patients with schizophrenia, her
mind created an explanation that made
sense to her. This involved
incorporating her physical pain into a
bizarre delusion. Ms. W. Had
abdominal pain, and pregnant women have
abdominal pain, therefore she concluded
that she was pregnant. It did not occur
to ms. W. That she had not missed any
periods or not gained any weight in the
past 9 months and that pregnancy was
unlikely.
Psychiatric patients frequently suffer
from medical conditions not detected on
their first evaluation. Psychiatric
inpatients have associated medical
disorders on admission 24% to 60% of the
time, and the referring providers fail to
diagnose these ailments almost half the
time. Schizophrenic patients, in
particular, have concomitant medical
illness up to 80% of the time.10 on review
of 52 cases of false pregnancy, I found
that only 2 of the cases specifically
mentioned the examination of the ruq
(i.E., no hepatomegaly or murphy's
sign)—despite presentation to physicians
with significant abdominal complaints.
Given this information, physicians should
consider creatively the possible
etiologies of patients' fundamental
complaints or their observed behavior.
Psychotic patients do their best to
explain their symptoms given their
limitations. In this case, ms. W.'s
pain was an illusion, a misperception of a
very real condition. Future research in
the perception and treatment of pain in
schizophrenic patients is warranted.
Functional imaging can be applied to see
if schizophrenic patients process painful
stimuli in the same anatomical areas as
control subjects. A discrepancy might
suggest deficits in specific processing
pathways, like the dominant hemisphere
lesions observed in some patients with
conversion disorder or somatization
disorder.11 clinicians should be wary of
significant underlying medical illness in
patients presenting with false pregnancy
or any other state in which reality
testing is impaired and should perform
thorough physical
examinations—particularly in light of
any specific physical complaints.
The views expressed in this article are
those of the author and do not reflect the
official policy of the department of
defense or any other department of the
united states government.
Http:/
/psy.Psychiatryonline.Org/cgi/content/full
/41/5/450
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if this is not the case, i'm sorry and
forgive me, if it is seek help, before it
harm you. Stop trying to make others
believe you and start helping yourself.
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Why?????? Posted: 12-21-05 01:38am
We were having such a nice time, I cant
deal with more.............
I have been telling .God's story in my
life, and I have that right!!!!!
I dont need anyone's approval--i know im
pregnant--dont need ya'all opinions to
give me faith, or approval. If I were
going by everyone's opinion---i would be
in great trouble
what do you want me to say---""""all these
neglectful .Dr stories--it is all a lie.
And I am so confused. I must be
mistaken, the flipping flopping kickin
body's inside of me must be giant
worms.---yeah, that must be it!!!"""
praise .God, for .He is good. **** thank
you .God*****
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