A fetus feels pain earlier than pro-choice
would like to believe. Most of us know
this but for the crying sake of
pro-choicers, look up the literature.
Of course, let us not forget the real
concern here, the baby. Pain or no pain,
abortion is still killing an innocent
baby, it is taking the life of a potential
born human being. There is nothing you
nor any woman having an abortion can say
to change that, or make it right. So just
keep in mind, you can rant, you can rave,
but you will never win this debate nor
argument in the end, because you simply
just can't.
Take a look at:
cmdahome.Org/fastmedia/issues_abortion/...
/media/fetalpainwhitep
in all reality, you will find sites that
claim pain before 20 weeks and some that
claim it not to ever feel pain while in
the womb. I stated the bottom line
though. Abortion is killing, pain or no
pain. It does not change the true meaning
of it. So really the yelling and
screaming about pain pro-choice, is
irrelevant.
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Okay, so I agree with current unbiased
medical knowledge. I do believe that
fetal pain is an issue at 20+ weeks, but
of course when fetal surgery is done the
fetus gets anesthetics through the mother.
Fetal pain for me is not an issue in the
abortion debate, the womans pain and or
needs are the issue for me. Women who do
terminate at 20 weeks and beyond normally
do so because of defects. If there are
women here who have aborted past 20 weeks
for non medical reasons, I do not mean to
insult. But the majority of abortions
done past 20 weeks are because of fetal
deformity/disease, or the mothers health.
Anyway, my whole point is that for amny
pro choicers fetal pain does not matter,
because the woman is naturally more
important.
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Carifairy
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True indeed. During pregnancy a women
will experience far more pain than the
fetus ever will, but noone seems to care
about the womans aches and pains.
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paganangel
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Posted: 12-28-05 23:57pm
whatisupwiththat
wrote:
carifairy
wrote:
anyway, my whole point is
that for any pro choicers fetal pain does
not matter, because the woman is naturally
more important.
too bad simple minded people don't
understand that,
huh?
the fact that you don't care about fetal
pain shows that you have no respect for
humanity. Period. End of story.
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paganangel
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Posted: 12-28-05 23:58pm
whatisupwiththat
wrote:
carifairy
wrote:
true indeed. During
pregnancy a women will experience far more
pain than the fetus ever will, but noone
seems to care about the womans aches and
pains.
because the woman deserves it
<tic>
and I supposed that the fetus deserves to
be slaughtered?
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Carifairy
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It is inside of the womans body, if she
wants it "slaughtered", then yes it is her
right. Fetal pain is only an issue if the
child is wanted, and fetal surgery is
performed.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-29-05 07:57am
whatisupwiththat
wrote:
paganangel
wrote:
the fact that you don't care
about fetal pain shows that you have no
respect for humanity. Period. End of
story.
the simple fact that you hate women and
want them to suffer via pregnancy shows
you have no respect for humankind.
Period. End of story.
paganangel
wrote:
and I supposed that the
fetus deserves to be
slaughtered?
if the host doesn't want it in her?
Yes.
i am woman and I think being pregnant is a
miracle feeling, definetly not suffering.
Too bad you don't see pregancy as
something so incredibly wonderful like
most people do. That is why we have 21
forum boards here for pregnancy. Tell me
why do "you" think being pregnant is
suffering? I can only imagine that you
are a very young person who wants to live
like adults too quickly. When one enjoys
youth doing other things that are not sex
when you become an adult you will see
pregnancy as something wonderful.
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Posted: 12-29-05 22:47pm
whatisupwiththat
wrote:
too bad you seem to think because I am pro
choice that makes me anti pregnancy.
fool. How I feel about pregnancy
isn't how another woman would feel. I
don't expect everyone to feel/think/act
the same. Sorry you do. I allow
a woman her own thoughts and feelings.
And being pro choice doesn't make me
young, doesn't mean I am not a parent and
doesn't mean I am anti pregnancy.
Fool.
how old you are?
I do expect people to think the same
regarding the right to life and i'm sorry
you don't feel this way. I hope you
understand that somebody has to speak for
this defendless unborn children.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 12-30-05 11:23am
whatisupwiththat
wrote:
and someone has to speak up for the born
women you wish to enslave via punishment
for unwanted pregnancy. Pyscho.
i don't want to enslave them, I want them
to be responsible citizens. There is got
to be limits set up. Stealing is wrong
right? If poor people steal they would
have a better life but you can't accept
stealing. Same goes for killing
people.
If you don't want a child to happen then
don't have sex.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 12-30-05 12:16pm
It is being responsible, maybe not in a
way that you agree with, but it is.. I do
not agree with welfare, and women having
numerous babies on medicaid ect...
Because they are not paying for their own
children, they are asking other people to
pay for their kids. How is that
responsible? Making others pay for babies
that poor women have?
Having an abortion is being responsible,
maybe you do not like it, but it's still
responsible. How is it being a good
citizen to have a baby when you are poor
and cannot even afford your own food?
Many women who have abortions do so
because they are poor, and cannot have a
child yet.
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