For almost anything. Throw away your
drugs and pain.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 01-01-06 13:25pm
Please disregard this advice with as much
contempt as you can. Salt water is not a
safe way to treat legit medical
disorders!
I cannot stress enough, do not throw away
your medicine and do not start drinking
saltwater!!!!!
Print up materials from www.Watercure.Com
and bring them to your doctor, let him/her
have a few seconds to laugh and make jokes
and then ask them for the scientific
reasons that these nut jobs would tell you
to drink saltwater.
I was diagnosed with ibs over 12 years
ago, thankfully I did not drink saltwater
but I did quit smoking and drinking booze
all the time and dropped most of the
things tha stressed me out in life and my
ibs has all but disappeared.
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aura
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Joined: 17 Dec 2005 Posts: 33 Location: Belgium
Research Is Necessary Posted: 01-02-06 08:46am
No one is suggesting "salt water". It is
good to have a dialogue. The ama guards
an industry of competitive drug companies.
But throwing away essential drugs is not
the point. We live in a chemical factory
instead of a natural world. Having had
ms for almost 2 decades I have done a lot
of thinking and reading on the use of
drugs and their long-term effects on mind
and body. I am ambulant and highly
functional against all odds considering
the severity of attacks. Sea salt is a
crystal full of life-giving electrolytes -
like a snow flake that dissolves entirely
in the system. Table salt is a hard
crystal that does not. It could be
categorized as a poison. Before the turn
of the 19th century people had access to
natural salts. When drinking the amount
of pure water needed for a cure to many
diseases, you must replenish the body with
salt because, as everyone knows, our blood
is like the sea - very salty to the taste.
Maintaining the chemical balance is
vital if you increase fluids. So, the
point is not to drink salt water, of
course! It is that, should you decide to
take the water cure then you must add a
little more proper sea salt to your diet,
like sprinkling extra on foods.
Harmless. See www.Watercure.Com.
Sea salt is the "salt of life".
I have been cured radically of some
serious chronic internal problems lasting
years within a few months. It is simply
the truth that dehydration is the cause of
many diseases that then are treated with
harsh chemical drugs instead of proper and
controlled hydration. Think
independently, read and do not believe in
everything the drug companies throw at
you. They are in business with medical
doctors and have a strangle-hold over the
health industry and congress. There are
many good things that come from internal
medicine, but many evils too. I read one
report that indicated 1 in 400 people are
killed by medical mistakes annually.
Check the facts. Look how they are
competing like shoe salesmen for ms
patients to buy interferon products.
I use two light medications to prolong
sleep. One is natural with no possible
harm. Hydration protects my liver over
time because many drugs are assimilated in
the liver. Also, the blood stream clogs
up, especially in the brain, which is 80%
water, and requires refreshed circulation
from proper not extreme hydration.
I used one drug, amitriptyline, on a
regular basis for 8 years. This was
originally used as a powerful
antihistamine that dries up the system.
No one told me to drink a few extra
glasses of water a day over 8 years of
use! Why? Because there is definite
idiocy in the system as most of us have
experienced. This is one of the serious
problems with western medicine: targeting
one thing and ignoring the whole. It
almost destroyed my kidneys as well as
making my moods unnatural, harming
relationships. Anyway, the drugged world
is not the right way as a whole. They
are not only targeting the cns but also
every other cell in your body. You may
be relieved of a cns problem while having
internal discomfort and damage regularly,
especially using more than one drug
habitually. Moderation in using any
prescription is vital and chemical
medicines will have 10 times the ill
side-effects for every good one. This is
a fact we knew in the 60's and it still
goes on disregarded.
Again, hydration with pure water is vital,
and if you increase your liquid intake by
a quart/liter you dilute the bloodstream
slightly of essential salts. The
replacement salt should be harmless and
life-giving unrefined sea salt eliminating
table salts. This is logical. You can
buy it at health food store in normal dry
granule form. And it tastes a lot
better! If one is ill or over middle age
thennormal thirst is not always sensed
except through pain and, therefore,
conscious intake of pure water needs to be
considered. Does this really sound like
threatening nonesense?
Indeed, some drugs, especially in accute
phases, are useful or necessary. But the
human body is organic and created to heal
itself. Do doctors actually heal or are
they there to allow healing? Certain
natural means actually cause a cure in you
working with the body. They are not mere
therapies. And no bad effects. Why be
relieved of one thing and be sickened by
another? We have become programmed to be
drug dependent instead of eating and
thinking in harmony with nature. Again,
essential drugs are not a part of this
argument. I would, however, always
research what is considered essential. I
purposely did not use "essential" drugs
and got over everything just by mind and
body control. Not everyone can live like
this. But for those who can please do.
Lastly, I have a good general practitioner
- we like each other - and see specialists
when needed, at least for a good opinion.
Western scientific medicine is not to be
ignored - you don't see a naturopathe if
you get into a car wreck! - but most
certainly controlled, and I am not going
to take just anything a doctor throws at
me! It's all about independence and
balance. You have to respect anyone who
has gone through md studies. It's tough.
But there can be arrogance in medicine -
no really? - and a power trip operating
with the assumption that only one
authority over your health exists. That
is why so many counter-movements now are
flooding the media and internet. Things
will change in time. I recall the days
when you hardly ever saw a doctor! My
grandmother recently died at 100 and I
never saw a pill in her house when growing
up. It's an industry now and very much a
status and wealth thing. Few greats can
be found. They have grave
responsibilities, indeed, partially
because they deal with potentially lethal
products and instruments, but are no more
smarter than any other educated or
enlightened person, and we need to be
independent in our thinking. Sorry for
the length of this. I rest my case.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 01-02-06 09:42am
Your statement is in general a decent bit
of information. Hydration is essential
but at the same time, you are stating that
modern medicine is the core evil and since
the 60's the medical research industry has
known that there are 10 x's the ill
effects vs. Positive affect. (brain
washing with no actual fact based stance)
where are these numbers coming from? I
will not debate you that you are or are
not healed from the terror that ms can
bring into your life. I will however tell
you and anyone else reading this, don't
stop being treated for symptoms of ms and
start drinking water and sea salt. I have
been using sal maldon sea salt as a
topping salt for years and I do not know
of any research showing that I will be
cured of anything other than hunger
because I am seasoning my food before I
eat it.
I have said it before and I will continue
to say this to anyone that will listen,
cyanide, lead, arsenic, asbestos, and even
uranium is natural. That does not make
them good for you. Salt in cube form from
the salt mines in utah or from the marsh
of france from the sea are still salt and
in a molecular sense they dissolve the
same and they are basically the same wiith
the exception of the pollutants that are
in the salt from the sea. The salt mines
that are hundreds of feet under ground are
less likly to contain man created
pollutants than the salt gathered from the
sea.
Again, congrats for being the only human
being on earth to be totally healed from
the raveges of ms, I am glad you don't
have to deal with these issuses any more.
As for someone else, give it a try but
under no circumstance should anyone stop
taking the meds prescribed by thier
medical doctors, (even though they are
evil and go to 8 or more years of
reprogramming to make them keep thier
patients sick so people have to buy
medicine. Millions and millions of sick
minded physicians keeping the human race
sick.)
best regards,
brian
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 01-02-06 10:07am
I totally agree with natural cure, herbal
supplements, and total freedom from
chemical "symptom relievers"
.God put it all here for us, and the
chemists and scientists need to perfect
the natural "cures" that this planet has.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 01-02-06 10:51am
fatfamily02
wrote:
i totally agree with natural
cure, herbal supplements, and total
freedom from chemical "symptom relievers"
.God put it all here for us, and the
chemists and scientists need to perfect
the natural "cures" that this planet
has.
to clarify, are you saying that the
chemists that are already using remedies
based on sea life and rain forest plants
are not already rocognizing the benefits
of "natural" stuff?
I am a deacon in a southern baptist church
but I don't know what it has to do with
medicine. God has given the entire earth
to us to use for his glory, wether it is
by finding a particular cell in nature and
synthasizing it in the lab and making
medicine from synthitic materials.
I agree that natural is fine but there is
no evidence that natural anything is
always going to be better than something
that has been perfected in the lab by
scientists that have been give the gift of
creation to invent better more effective
products.
It is a sad day when throwing .God into
the discussion about advising truly sick
people to drink salt water for cure is
somehow legitimised. God has nothing to
do with this eastern medical "singular"
opinion. When a legit medical community
suggests drinking water seasoned with sea
salt to cure something other than thirst
with added elctrolyte properties, I will
begin to try it. Otherwise, I am throwing
the flag.
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 01-02-06 11:32am
I am not saying that some of the scientist
and chemist have not already found out
what we already know. That all the
"chemicals" we need are the ones found in
nature. I have seen a lot of stuff
about sea salt instead of iodized table
salt. I dont know the benefit or lack
of benefit. I am just saying, what
.God has put here is all we need.
Period.
And to add---the medical community(and
science) has never lined up with .God.
And they are more prone to mistakes and
mis-diagnosis, because they will not
listen to anything but their reasoning
and knowledge. and in .God we
learn to let down our reasoning to replace
it with his. Because without his
knowledge and his guidance we are
nothing--no matter how much we study.
They have been known, in my case to not
even listen to the patient, let alone
listen to the still small voice of .God.
And I was not neccessarily supporting this
theory but I would do some resaerch on it
for my own benefit. I was just saying,
.God has already put it all here for us.
If we go back to the old testament there
are a lot of guidelines we could follow on
eating that would benefit us greatly.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 01-02-06 12:02pm
Yes, even including the people he has put
here to develop products to help mankind.
And I will say it agin, don't throw .God
into this discussion unless you are going
to provide something substancial to the
conversation other than debate about
nothing. It is too easy to make the
regular christian look like a fool when
they misuse the holy name of .God to
justify thier argument when there is no
reason for that debate.
By no means is this an attack on your
faith because that is personel, your
relationship and only you and .God know
your heart. What I am saying is stop
using the blanket statement, .God gave us
all we need because you are right and
science is still looking for more of those
items that were put here from the begining
that we still have not found. Based on
the information given in many of the shows
on discovery, discovery times and science
as well as national geographic explorer
channel and there is a general consesus
that less than 2% of possible medicines
have been harvested from the seas. And it
takes natural human beings along with
natural submarines and other natural
mechanical robots to get to those natural
creatures and plants.
Brian
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 01-02-06 12:07pm
I dont misuse the name of .God--that is
judging me--you are wrong.. I did not
use .God. I said .God put it here.
How is that misuse????
I am not debating either I was adding my
opinion. You are the one debating, sir.
Not me. This was just my opinion,
and I clarified just that, for your
benefit, in my second post.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 01-02-06 12:13pm
fatfamily02
wrote:
and I was not neccessarily supporting this
theory but I would do some resaerch on it
for my own benefit. I was just saying,
.God has already put it all here for us.
If we go back to the old testament there
are a lot of guidelines we could follow on
eating that would benefit us
greatly.
so are we to throw out what jesus taught
us as he walked the earth and also throw
out what .God told peter in acts 10 to
"get up, kill and eat" before you throw
out old testament law, remember that we
have been freed from the law not set above
nor apart from it. As is told to peter,
acts 10:15 "do not call anything impure
that .God has made"
this is not supposed to be a
religous/theoretical debate but a debate
about doing what is right for your health
and stopping using the meds prescribed and
throwing them out for a glass of salt
water is a very bad idea!
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 01-02-06 12:29pm
I know I am freed from the law, and do not
call anything unholy that god has made.
You are not talkin to a 2 day old
christian.
I am spirit filled, speak in tongues, walk
in the miraculous, lay hands on the sick,
believer of .God. I know the word. And
I am still not the one debating. I
merely added my opinion.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 01-02-06 12:42pm
Well I am glad we got that straight. We
went from looking for evidencce about the
"healing power of saltwater" to your
"personal walk with .God"
for some lessons on tounges speaking, go
to acts chapter 2 where the apostles were
give the spirit and spoke in tounges that
were heard and understood (not confusing
babble) but actual language spoken and
translated at the instant the words were
spoken so that the jews representing every
nation, heard and understood what was
being said. That is tounges, babble is
just that, babble.
Again, no need to drag the father through
the mud but I am trying to assist you in
your "personal repationship" with .God.
Remember, just because we are discussing
theology doesn't mean you are any more or
less my sister in faith and so this is all
being said to allow you to explore your
faith. My time in luther rice seminary
really helped me to understand some of the
mysteries in scripture. One being
tounges, thousands heard and understood,
there was no p.A. System in those days
so how did mere men speak loud enough and
in every represented language. Tounges
is how, they did not hear and scratch
their heads wondering why these guys were
speaking in some undiscernable language.
Brian
p.S. Don't drink saltwater to cure your
digestive diesease. To stay on topic.
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steveandmarla
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 17 Location: North Texas
Posted: 01-20-06 20:13pm
Take any perscription or over the counter
medicine down and look at the possible
side effects. These are not there
because it might hapeen to someone, but
because it has happened to someone and
they believe it to be the fault of the
med. I'm in no way implying for anyone
to drop their medications, but I do
believe that in most cases one can be
cured of ailments by natural remedies.
Are we so full of ourselves as americans
to say that we've got it down pat? Look
at thailand and malasia for example.
Look at the way in wich they practice
medicine. Why is it that america (with
all our docors and drugs - one for every
symptom under the sun) is leading the
world in cancer, heart disease, and
obeseity. And we live shoter lives
because of it. We should take notes from
some of these "less fortunate" "less
civilized" countries. They use natural
remidies for most of their problems, and
they out live us...Why is that? Maybe
cause there' not a mcdonald's and a
walgreen's pharmacy on every corner
pushing poison. Once again i'm not
totally against drugs...But it has gotten
way out of hand when a doctor wants me to
take a purple pill for the rest of my life
for heartburn. A pill that may cause dry
mouth, vommiting, rectal bleeding,
constipation, dementia, impaired
vision...So on and so forth. No thanks.
Alittle viniger will do the trick every
time. And with no side effects. Just
look at how many new diseases (not
serious) have been invented, yes invented
in the last ten years. And how many
billions of dollars have been made by the
drug companies. And did you know that
many drug companies bribe doctors with
lavish gifts and lunches...All to push a
few pills.
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aura
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Dec 2005 Posts: 33 Location: Belgium
a Question of Balance Posted: 02-14-06 13:34pm
As we all have separate bodies and
separate lives it is not possible to
prescribe one system to all. When I
worked in a geriatric hospital before
student days, they distributed the same
sedative type drugs for all the men it
seemed and none. That I recall for the
women. The latter seemed to handle old
age better while men would get aggressive.
Why the system? Convenience for doctors,
lack of funding to take individual care
for separate lives. The time will come
when we will turn our attention to making
weapons of mass healing instead of
stockpiling and renewing wmd, when we put
hundreds of billions into taking care of
humanity instead of ways to kill each
other. There needs to be a paradigm shift
of a magnitude you nor I can imagine, and
it must be global - just like in the
eradication of polio. There is a great
teacher of the late 19th and early 20th
century called 'abdu'l-bahá (no, not
islamic but bahá'í) who said that in
20th century medicine is in its infancy,
and basically we have the same system now.
In future cures and treatments will be
natural with sweet herbs and the like.
The body becomes ill when it is out of
balance. A house cat will roam about
searching for a particular herb
instinctually to balance out some diseased
state. We have lost this instinct. It is
only logical that customized inorganic
chemicals cannot be the ultimate way for
biological organisms.
Lately, I was hospitalized due to weeks of
collapse following a series of ms attacks.
I had not been sleeping full nights for
many years. They tested various drugs and
found a combination that worked, and I am
sleeping soundly full nights. I accept
this, even though my preference is the
natural. It is by far the lesser of two
evils. But I remain conscious and will
certainly wean myself off the medications
eventually. There just are not the
affordable facilities to take care of my
condition. Ms is a very powerful disease,
with its own mind it would seem. It can
kill you easily just by the collapse of
your diaphragm, which was part of what I
was experiencing. I was, at one moment,
given a choice to breath or not as the
world around me turned into glowing violet
and golden energy with my wife holding my
hand silhouetted by pure light. There was
no panic, and just I decided to breath.
Perhaps I would not stay in that wonderful
world and my were damaged through lack of
oxygen instead of dying. So, I will
bridge things now with the help of the
neurological community until stronger. I
will keep up my water diet - to flush out
impurities - as well as eat enough and
take natural vitamins. This is the time
we are living. But I am researching
"vibrational medicine of the 21st
century", a book that covers much of the
ground. The future of medicine is in
bringing true natural equilibrium to the
body. Much love and tranquility of heart
to everyone. I just see life afresh now,
and I feel enormous love for you all.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 02-14-06 14:07pm
So I guess you can recind your first
statement about throwing away all of your
medicine and drink water?
Drinking water is a great idea, thought up
the day life began here on earth but to
date I havent heard of a real case of
diesease solved from drinking water.
Unless of course you live in a 3rd world
country where the water is poisoned and
you have to drink bottled water from the
big bad americans or whatever the problem
is with america and medicine.
I am glad you found b'hai and love
everyone but please allow this oppurtunity
to recind and advise properly, do not
throw away your meds and do not stop
taking them, they can and will probably
save your life.
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hardeng
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 34 Location: FL- USA
Posted: 10-11-06 12:07pm
Kind of an off-subject question-
does anyone the medical term used to
define death caused by drinking too much
saltwater?