Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 13932 Location: everythings better in, texas USA
Posted: 09-13-07 22:05pm
everyday_struggle
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
everyday_struggle
wrote:
the_girlfreind
wrote:
everyday_struggle
wrote:
seems like you are suffering
from depression. Weed is known to cause
depression when your coming off the high.
Why dont you take up a hobby that makes
you feel good about yourself? I mean the
only way to feel about life is if you have
purpose and you seem like you dont. Just
take it one day at a time. You may have
smoke 4 to 5 joints a day. But i smoke
that much in blunts. I can guarantee you,
that you havent smoked as much as me and i
dont get bummed. I suggest handling your
other issues before tackling
weed.
you guarentee they havent smoked as much
as you...
i buy weed by the p0unds h0ney, get a
clue. suzy
homemaker.
does you DAUGHTER know this?...
my daughter is 4, would u also like me to
give her the details on how she was
concieved? I hope that you when your kid
is born, you become a mom and not your
kids best freind. My daughter does not and
will not know the things that i do. You
should learn that now before you start
being buddy buddies with your kid. You
have a lot to grow up and a lot more to
experiance before you can start commenting
on such subjects, i dont care even if you
google it.
As a wise man once said..
The only
source of knowledge is
experience.
watch elizabethtown and THEN let me know
what you think about being buddies with
your children
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Elo515
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 14 Sep 2007 Posts: 1
Marijuana Withdrawals Posted: 09-14-07 02:33am
OK Anyway, whoever says marijuana
withdrawals aren't real then havent really
smoke enough for their body to recognize
that its missing something, So i've been
smokin everyday for 7months...like at
least 3 blunts a day and on weekends like
10 blunts with friends and caca, and i
decided to quit because i needed to get a
job and most jobs make you drop, so i quit
weed and cigarettes on the same day and by
the 4th day i had an anxiety panic attack,
from like the 5th to 10th day i felt
depression, for the first two weeks i had
nightmares and now im just really
irritated and nothing seems real, very
paranoid about things for no damn reason,
and its not addictive, i dont need it
because when you are going through this,
the last thing on your mind is smoking
because u know if u smoke, you will have
to go through it again, so might as well
just go through it, but its been day 36
and i still have some withdrawals, mostly
paranoia and feeling out of place and
things seeming unreal, so if anyone knows
how long this will last??, please help me
out, and tell me what could help these
withdrawals??, and its become so bad that
its all I think about, so what can i do to
get it off my mind??
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everyday_struggle
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 304
Posted: 09-14-07 13:36pm
the_girlfreind
wrote:
watch elizabethtown and THEN
let me know what you think about being
buddies with your
children
sorry, but unlike you, i dont confuse
movies/tv with real life.
OK Anyway, whoever says
marijuana withdrawals aren't real then
havent really smoke enough for their body
to recognize that its missing something,
So i've been smokin everyday for
7months...like at least 3 blunts a day and
on weekends like 10 blunts with friends
and health question, and i decided to quit
because i needed to get a job and most
jobs make you drop, so i quit weed and
cigarettes on the same day and by the 4th
day i had an anxiety panic attack, from
like the 5th to 10th day i felt
depression, for the first two weeks i had
nightmares and now im just really
irritated and nothing seems real, very
paranoid about things for no bless reason,
and its not addictive, i dont need it
because when you are going through this,
the last thing on your mind is smoking
because u know if u smoke, you will have
to go through it again, so might as well
just go through it, but its been day 36
and i still have some withdrawals, mostly
paranoia and feeling out of place and
things seeming unreal, so if anyone knows
how long this will last??, please help me
out, and tell me what could help these
withdrawals??, and its become so bad that
its all I think about, so what can i do to
get it off my
mind??
sounds like your mind is not being
occupied. Start occupying your mind with a
hobbie or working out. I think working out
right now would be perfect. Just give it a
month and if you dont like it, then try
something new. But learn to workout dont
just do it.
OK Anyway, whoever says
marijuana withdrawals aren't real then
havent really smoke enough for their body
to recognize that its missing something,
So i've been smokin everyday for
7months...like at least 3 blunts a day and
on weekends like 10 blunts with friends
and health question, and i decided to quit
because i needed to get a job and most
jobs make you drop, so i quit weed and
cigarettes on the same day and by the 4th
day i had an anxiety panic attack, from
like the 5th to 10th day i felt
depression, for the first two weeks i had
nightmares and now im just really
irritated and nothing seems real, very
paranoid about things for no bless reason,
and its not addictive, i dont need it
because when you are going through this,
the last thing on your mind is smoking
because u know if u smoke, you will have
to go through it again, so might as well
just go through it, but its been day 36
and i still have some withdrawals, mostly
paranoia and feeling out of place and
things seeming unreal, so if anyone knows
how long this will last??, please help me
out, and tell me what could help these
withdrawals??, and its become so bad that
its all I think about, so what can i do to
get it off my
mind??
I have all the same things your talking
about and I hate to tell you this but it's
still happening to me and it's been almost
8 months. I still have nightmares
sometimes. If I drink alcohol I almost
always have nightmares in the mornings.
They are so real I don't even know if i'm
asleep half the time. They usually are
actually me in my bed and I just like see
someone attacking me or something then I
try and wake up it takes what seems like
forever (probably only 15 seconds at most
though) and nothing is there I hope in your case
the withdrawls won't last this long
though. Sound like you smoked about as
heavy as me, but I did it for about 2
years. Got up to 3-4 grams a day
sometimes up to 6 if I was smoking blunts
and I honestly wish I could go back in
time I would never touch the stuff this
has been the worse time of my life. But
you just gotta hang on. Working out seems
to help, but my motivation is not very
good right now so I don't do it enough,
but when I do I seem better for a while.
I'm wondering what kind of wierd dreams
you all have cause I hear it's common for
people to have these wierd dreams, but
mine almost seem like a hallucination
which just scares the hell out of me. I
have not had this kind of thing happen
outside of my bed so I'm hoping i'm
actually asleep but it's truly hard to
even tell. I was drinking lots of coffee
for about 6 months while all this smoking
was going on too i'm sure that didn't
help. I actually had my first vivid
nightmare/dream while I was still smoking,
and it got so bad I decided to quit as
well as for other reasons.
And yes I have all the mood swings and
everything else you talked about,
sometimes i'm out of it and it seems like
the world is just not real, it's really
wearing on me. My vision is terrible now
I seem high even though I haven't smoked.
Cars drive by and It looks like it's
almost in frames as if I smoked a huge
blunt...I really wish someone who has
dealt with all the stuff I am would show
up and say ya I got better eventually and
you will to, but all the people who smoked
as heavily as me still do =(
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acabanas19
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Posts: 1
Marijuana Withdrawals Posted: 09-20-07 18:34pm
I quit exactly 1 week and 4 days ago. I
have smoked for 6 years since I was 14.
Almost every week. The longest I ever went
without smoking since had been 3 weeks and
I only quit because I was caught by my
brother, afterwords, I was cornered by all
my family and pretty much exercised. It
blew but I did quit untill I just fell
under peer pressure to smoke with my
co-worker and manager while on the job.
Since then my longest time quitting was
2-4 days. But this time around I tried a
very new approach. I wanted to quit. I was
having sexual problems, social problems,
self-esteem problems, school, work,
family, you name it, I had it. So
immidiately after quitting, on the
following Monday, I meet a very beautiful
girl and I managed to carry on a good
conversation, which I was incapable of
when I smoked. Since then I have started
talking to a whole lot of people. Anyways,
I have gone through majority of
withdrawals, I also got in a fight with
some guys over some girls, even though I
am a very calm guy. I sleep on avg. 3
hours a day now, and that is hell for me
especially since I've doubled the amount
of time at the gym to make up for so much
time gained from quitting. All I can say
guys, dont give up. You are gonna have
some problems which you would have
normally dealt with by smoking. The
reality is, you never dealt with those
problems. Now you are in a situation
where you have no other choice but to face
the problem and fix it or face the
consequences and resist turning to
marijuana to deal with it. Weed is very
addictive. Not chemically but
psychologically. So I wish you guys good
luck. And keep in mind. Mind over matter.
Stay strong.
I quit exactly 1 week and 4
days ago. I have smoked for 6 years since
I was 14. Almost every week. The longest I
ever went without smoking since had been 3
weeks and I only quit because I was caught
by my brother, afterwords, I was cornered
by all my family and pretty much
exercised. It blew but I did quit untill I
just fell under peer pressure to smoke
with my co-worker and manager while on the
job. Since then my longest time quitting
was 2-4 days. But this time around I tried
a very new approach. I wanted to quit. I
was having sexual problems, social
problems, self-esteem problems, school,
work, family, you name it, I had it. So
immidiately after quitting, on the
following Monday, I meet a very beautiful
girl and I managed to carry on a good
conversation, which I was incapable of
when I smoked. Since then I have started
talking to a whole lot of people. Anyways,
I have gone through majority of
withdrawals, I also got in a fight with
some guys over some girls, even though I
am a very calm guy. I sleep on avg. 3
hours a day now, and that is hell for me
especially since I've doubled the amount
of time at the gym to make up for so much
time gained from quitting. All I can say
guys, dont give up. You are gonna have
some problems which you would have
normally dealt with by smoking. The
reality is, you never dealt with those
problems. Now you are in a situation
where you have no other choice but to face
the problem and fix it or face the
consequences and resist turning to
marijuana to deal with it. Weed is very
addictive. Not chemically but
psychologically. So I wish you guys good
luck. And keep in mind. Mind over matter.
Stay strong.
Dude your so right. Especially the part
about it's not chemically but
psychologically. All it took was a good
understanding of what was going on and
things got so much better, and i'm
stronger then ever. I was having panic
attacks everyday. I would love to say
your advice did it for me, but I had lots
of people telling me this including my
family. I have finally gotten over it all
about 9 months after quitting. The mind
is a powerful powerful thing. All the
dreams have stopped. I was having what i
thought was poor circulatation or maybe
even worse things like schizophrenia
(thought i was feeling things that weren't
real), but was actually panic attacks
causing blood to rush to the center of my
body from all the stress I was dealing
with in my own head from quitting pot.
Which makes sense me because I have had
high anxiety for my whole life and now
have found plenty of real info that
explains I shouldn't use things like pot
it was not an addiction as much as just my
already real problems being amplified. I
still think pot is more dangerous then
some will say, but it does depend on the
person. anyone dealing with similar
things please do your best to believe it
is all in your head. Your brain really
can control what you feel, and think is
actually happening. Just think about how
you find a cut or a bruise that you don't
know how you got and once you know it's
there it hurts...it's very similar. I will say
this though I will never smoke pot after
what I have gone through. I know i'm
better of without it. Even if the
withdrawls didn't happen. I remember what
I was like on it. I didn't care while I
was still doing it and made myself sure it
was not like it really was, but I never
want to be like that again. But to anyone
still struggling stay strong and do your
best to tell yourself it's in your head
cause it is. I had to actually tell
myself over and over that is was and It
seemed stupid but it has worked! Also I
really feel like I have more control of my
life and any anxiety I had before this
then I would have if I hadn't gone through
it. It has forced me to learn to live
with it and fix it. Good luck to alll
you.
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WShep
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 67 Location: SoCal, USA
Posted: 10-04-07 16:50pm
Just wanted to add my similar experience
for those wishing to find comfort in
shared experiences. Ill also add a few
tips ive heard from doctors and friends.
I have smoked every day for 9 years ( with
one 6 month break). I usually averaged
about an O every 3-4 weeks of Nor Cal
weed. Im on my 6th day of quitting and it
is indeed harder than the last time I
stopped. The 6 months was about 3 years
ago and I am amazed at how much that three
year period added to the difficulties in
getting off of it. In short, go for the
gold the first time around, it just gets
harder.
I dont care what the cause of my symptoms
are, night sweats, depression, passive
suicidal thoughts, lack of motivation,
boredom, frustration, lack of appetite,
rage etc are all very very real. People
are not hear to debate if its physical or
mental, we are hear looking for support.
The one guy that offered his key to
success, "I just told myself it was all in
my head." was great, he wasn't debating
the issue, just offering what worked for
him, thanks for the input. For those that
are here to argue, please go away.
The hardest part of attempting to quit for
me was the time frame. Other water
soluble drugs can be flushed out of the
body faster, but the way your body stores
the toxins makes getting clean a very long
process. I quit for 6 months before cold
turkey and it took at least 4 months to
get rid of all the symptoms. Even after
that four months, I still craved the mind
numbing relaxation that accompanied
smoking. For the type of person that I
am, very very very very intense, the
calming effect was bliss. I am now
searching for other ways to achieve that
same sense of inner peace without altering
reality, but instead learning to manage
real life.
I found myself crying a few times in the
past few days, im honestly not sure why, a
part of me thinks its just my minds
inability to deal with reality. Emotions
are a strong thing and when confronted
with unaltered emotions after years of
dampening them, I was not prepared. My
body needs to address emotions head on and
these feelings may be pent up issues from
years of substance abuse and the anxiety
that surrounds the type of life you lead
while addicted. I cant imagine that these
fluctuations in emotions will last. I
will soon develop the tools to cope with
these emotions by actually thinking about
them and letting my mind do what brains
have done since we started developing as a
species. REM sleep and or dreams are also
a crucial part of analyzing things from
our day that our mind needs to revisit and
process, i havnt read any studies, but I
truly believe i was inhibiting my minds
ability to process emotions and
experiences in a healthy way as it was
meant to. This is a serious part of our
mental workings and I cant believe I
risked mental health to smoke pot.
For those looking for a natural high, work
out! The body releases endorphins which
have an OPIATE like effect on the body.
For those that don't know, opiate like
effect literally means it acts like opium
or heroin(to a lesser degree). Personally
im still in the depression/lack of drive
phase, but I know from past attempts at
quitting and from friends that getting
HIGH from working out is a very real
thing. If all else fails go run your ass
off, or maybe cut your arm off severe pain
causes the release of endorphins as well.
My brother and I are both very addictive
people. I chose drugs to quench my
thirst, he chose working out. I have
nothing to show for it, hes a ripped,
healthy, active, positive person at Penn
state on his way to being a doctor. Hmmmm
which is the better drug O-o
"en·dor·phin (ěn-dôr'fĭn)
n. Any of a group of peptide hormones
that bind to opiate receptors and are
found mainly in the brain. Endorphins
reduce the sensation of pain and affect
emotions. "
What luck, we can actually get a sense of
euphoria similar to taking drugs, just
from working out. The best part is that
exercise may (pretty much a sure thing)
help your appetite, sex drive, decrease
detox duration, relieve some physical pain
and even build some self confidence or
gratification from being healthier. I
dont know about anyone else, but my least
favorite part of being ON pot, was a
decreased sex drive. To think of all
those nights i turned down romance and
connection with another to "smoke pot at
night and watch DVDs" That was pretty
much my life as well.
Ok im just gonna keep writing because its
making me feel better
For all those smart people out there that
think pot enhances their mental abilities
or makes them better at <insert
task>, just imagine what you could do
with a clear mind. Its a fact that THC
migrates to the fat in the brain, it even
clogs the little circuits that run in our
brain (synapses?). Just imagine what we
might accomplish if we allow our brains to
reach their full potential. Quick minded
people gravitate towards pot, ironic i
know, because it can calm the neurotic
part of our brains, allowing us to
actually relax, or be brain dead. I keep
telling myself that I can do great things
if I allow myself to reach my full
potential, im excited to see if this is
indeed true.
OK im done, thanks for giving me a place
to express what Im going through. Many of
your posts were very helpful and I thank
you.
Good Luck peeps!
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mayan2012
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Oct 2007 Posts: 1
Yes, Virgina - There Are Physical Symptoms Posted: 10-04-07 21:50pm
After getting bronchitus and having to
stop smoking like usual i had a terrible
withdrawal. Girlfriend you are
misinformed if you are quoting the
"establishement doctorine" I had pains
all in my body that felt almost like a
heartattack. I kept coughing up stuff for
A MONTH - which was me cleansing gunk out
of myself. I'm a full on organic crunchy
chick and eat healthy and do everything to
be well. There are horrible physical side
affects - and any conscious person knows
the difference when they feel it. For you
all working through the slowing down
period having sleep problems - try a
homeopathic valarian/ melitonin blend. It
was very restoritive and it will heal you.
The lack of sleep can cause serious
depression and anxiety. BUt don't go cold
turkey - because there are physical side
effects - much like the man said it acts
as an opiate and will numb you - so pains
you might not have felt, old injuries, ect
will suddenly appear - because they were
being covered up before with the pain
killing aspect of maryjane. Just be kind,
go slow, I guess a little bit is the way
to go with all drugs....but for depression
- remember cannabis has an amazing
spiritual connective quality that raises
your frequency closer to the divine source
energy - so of course it's a quick fix as
a buffer against a cold cruel world. Just
remember what starts out as an ally can
turn to an enemy if overused....good luck
and i think it helps of you take up a new
hobbie that thrills your spirit and moves
your body toward overall better
health/mind/body/spirit....
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Fairy*Godmother
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the -girlfriend Posted: 10-04-07 22:06pm
Not sure who the people here think of
themselves as GOD......but it is possible
to be a Mother and a best
friend..............my daughter and I have
been in this relationship for 24 years. I
tried to shiled awway the bad parts of
life when she was little, but as she grew
and developed she sknoew she could come
and asl her mother and find the
truth........................My Mother is
71 and she is my Mother and my best
freind.......................who could
askfor better trust or
advice????????????????
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Extinct
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 3
Posted: 10-06-07 15:05pm
There is a lot of misinformation in this
thread. Most of the links posted are 3rd
party, with typos, some printed by
students in colleges taking classes in
health education. For instance:
Quote:
No one would
argue that marijuana is as addictive as
alcohol or cocaine; however, it is wrong
to say that marijuana is not at all
addictive.
How its supposed to read:
Quote:
No one would argue that marijuana is NOT as
addictive as alcohol or cocaine; however,
it is wrong to say that marijuana is not
at all addictive.
These typos are EVERYWHERE. Do you know
why? because its caca. There are no facts,
no references, nothing. its just caca that
someone jotted from their head without
research.
I, on the other hand, have done my
research.
Lets start with this:
The DEAS Administrative Law Judge,
Francis Young, concluded:
In strict medical terms, marijuana is far
safer than many foods we commonly consume.
For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can
result in a toxic response.
By comparison, it is physically impossible
to eat enough marijuana to induce death.
Marijuana in its natural form is one of
the safest therapeutically active
substances known to man.
Drug enforcement agency, "In the matter of
Marijuana Rescheduling Petition"
September 6, 1988, p.57
Docket #86-22
The guy who quoted that in 1988 was the
administrative JUDGE for the drug
enforcement agency.
THATS how you supply factual information:
with a reference and a date.
Alot of the info you see on the web is
outdated.
How about WHY is marijuana illegal to
begin with? WHY DOES IT COST MONEY? Why
isn't it like cigarette's, available on
every corner?
-excerpts from Harry J. Anslinger's
testimony before Congress in 1937, when
marijuana was made illegal based on these
testimonies
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers
in the US, and most are Negroes,
Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers.
Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing,
result from marijuana use. This marijuana
causes white women to seek sexual
relations with Negroes, entertainers, and
any others."
"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana
is its effect on the degenerate races."
"Smoke a joint and you'll likely kill your
brother.
-excerpts from Harry J. Anslinger's
testimony before Congress in 1937
As a side note, Anslinger wrote numerous
"papers" outlining that the reason that
marijuana was the "Devil's Crop", because
when jazz musicians smoked it time was
distorted and they were able to fit in
extra notes in their music. This of course
was unnatural, therefore the work of
Satan.
See you guys probably dont remember a time
when it was legal, and its probably been
pounded into your brains that its SO bad
over the years with school and d.a.r.e.
and all that other caca they feed kids
these days.
The fact is, and no one can argue with
this, I dont care who you are, president
of the united states, whatever, the plain
fact of the matter is YOU are responsible
for your own body and what you put in it.
That said, who gets to tell you whats safe
and what isnt? They let us poison
ourselves with cigs and alcohol, which
even the DEA agrees is far worse than
Marijuana. what. I can legally go to a bar
and legally drink myself to death in one
night but If I am caught with 1 gram of
marijuana I go to jail?
I love the anti drug slogans.
" If you buy a joint...you are promoting
TERRORISM!"
It should read:
"If you buy a joint... you are helping
your supplier to pay his car insurance!
and house payments! " I know MANY growers
where I live. They are regular people like
you and me, not terrorists. And when they
get busted, for non-violent crime (growing
some plants?) they are thrown in jail with
the murders, and rapists, robbers,
criminals of all kinds. And heres this guy
who is only guilty of growing some plants
in his house,
oh and heres the best part: He gets a
harsher sentence for growing than the
murderers and rapists do. I could grand
theft auto + attempted homicide in my
state, and be out in less time, with less
of a fine, than if I grew ONE SINGLE
MARIJUANA PLANT. Tell me thats not messed
up.
Talk to a coke addict. then talk to
another one. ask as many as you want, they
will all explain REAL addiction... and in
the same way. Same goes for any REAL
addicting drug in the world...
It isnt anything like that for MJ, because
there is no such thing as a dependency on
THC, or anything in Marijuana for that
matter.
There was even a legal drug made from 100%
synthetic THC, its called "Marinol" and
was used to help treat cancer patients!
Quote:
Marinol Isn't Marijuana
The problem with this synthetic strategy
was most quickly evident to patients.
Marinol isn't marijuana. The synthetic
solution failed because Marinol is only
marginally effective.
"The difference between marijuana and
Marinol was apparent from the outset.
Cancer patients quickly discovered smoking
marijuana is far more effective than
swallowing oral THC pills.(45) During the
DEA hearings before Judge Young, one
researcher, Norman Zinberg, M.D.,
testified that during his 1974 research
nearly half the patients quit his legal,
THC-based study in order to obtain
illegal, but more effective,
marijuana.(46) "
-http://www.marijuana-as-medicine.org/Over
view%20-%20Part%20IV.htm
I find it hard to believe the DEA allows
100% THC in the form of a pill to be
issued out and at the same time you hear
claims that ""Parents are often unaware
that today's marijuana is different from
that of a generation ago, with potency
levels 10 to 20 times stronger than the
marijuana with which they were familiar."
-- U.S. Drug Czar John P. Walters, The
Myth of 'Harmless' Marijuana, Washington
Post, May 1, 2002, p.A25 "
Quote:
The principle
psychoactive ingredient of marijuana (THC)
is available as a prescription medicine.
It is 100 percent THC by definition. If it
isn't scary when it comes in concentrated
form from your local pharmacy, one has to
wonder how it can be so "dangerous" in its
weaker, natural forms. Indeed, one has to
really wonder why the concentrated
synthetic form qualifies as a Schedule III
medicine, while the natural form (plant)
is a Schedule I "dangerous drug" with no
medical
purpose
Lets go one step further- THC is not the
only item in MJ that gets you high. This
is fact. not every plant contains the
same things! marijuana is the most diverse
plant on the planet to date. Its landrace
varieties are found on every single
continent, (besides freezing where no
plants grow) in nearly every climate, and
its always a different "strain" of plant,
totally independent of all others. It
grows from seed to maturity in just 3
months! some finish in 2! Trees (for
instance the ones used to make paper) take
YEARS to reach maturity for paper
production. YEARS. A single marijuana
plant can provide years worth of paper in
just 3 months!
the declaration of independence is written
on paper made from marijuana!
Now to the meat and potatoes. I've been
smoking for 10 years. Im 31.
I've had to stop plenty of times, either
because I was moving or couldnt get it for
reason, or was on a business trip. I am
what I consider successful, I have more
than one house, many cars, I am no
millionaire but I have saved up enough to
live comfortably and I still take business
trips. Never has marijuana come between me
and my business. thats not because it
couldn't; its because I wouldn't let it. I
know the difference between being a
medical question off and a productive
person. I think whats happening here is
lazy ass people shouldn't be smoking MJ.
If you live at home with your parents
(i.e. no real bills to pay) and have no
responsibility whatsoever, then smoking
weed is the worst possible thing you could
do. Why? Its primary purpose is to get
high. And when you are high, if you were
already a lazy medical question to begin
with, your just going to be an even MORE
lazy medical question when your high. Your
going to eat junk food, not exercise, sit
in front of the TV/computer and vegetate.
You know its true! The ones that work for
a living, and support their families, that
aren't lazy and do actual productive
things, should consider their health as
the culprit, I guarantee with 100% fact
the problems you face are only related to
marijuana in that you let it get that way
to begin with. No one has these problems
with their bodies without due reason and
its not because there is THC in your body~
if anything the THC was responsible for
keeping you on your feet the whole time.
Now you just feel like crap because thats
how you let yourself get!
So lets take MJ out of the equation for a
split second. If you spent your time in
front of a TV constantly, ate junk food,
and didnt get any exercise, I Would feel
like complete caca too! who wouldnt! How
many of these smokers experiencing this
"withdrawal" symptoms maintain healthy
productive lifestyles of their own,
especially while high? and you know damn
well if you smoke a lot and get high alot
your going to be sitting on your ass all
the damn time doing nothing. this is far
more dangerous to your health than the
actual smoking habit! Especially the junk
food! Obesity in America kills enough as
it is.
I have to stop smoking for 6 weeks at a
time out of every other year for my job.
That means I get 1.3 years of steady daily
smoking, then I have to stop for 6 weeks
to go on a business trip. I've never had a
problem leaving it and forgetting about it
till I got back. The ONLY thing I note is
that my tolerance to marijuana will
subside during the 6 week "sober" period,
and I wind up using far less of it when I
get back than normal.
Quote:
Drugs are not evil or good. They can't
be. They don't have a soul or spirit to be
evil or good. Drugs are chemicals and
plants. When a child is not raised
properly, s/he grows up with serious
issues. The serious issue is what causes a
person to commit the crimes...not the
drug! Jeffery Dohmer, the man who ate
kids, was a chronic alcoholic but his acts
are never blamed on alcohol. If he were a
meth addict the headlines would have read
"Meth Causes Man to Eat Children." Jeffery
Dohmer had serious issues causing him to
be evil...this is what caused him to
commit his insane acts. Get it?
I hate D.A.R.E. and know it is a joke. It
is propaganda. If you tell a kid marijuana
will make you crazy and cause you to
commit crimes and continue teaching in the
same fashion about coke, meth and heroin,
more than half the kids won't believe you
because their parents or uncles smoke pot
without becoming crazy or committing
crimes. The other half will experiment
with marijuana at least once and realize
it did not make them go crazy or commit
crimes leading the students to realize the
D.A.R.E. officer lied. The kid then begins
to reason: "They lied about marijuana so
they must have lied about meth also. Let's
try it!"
But the lies are slowly being realized for
what they were and individual states are
slowly beginning to lessen penalties for
weed possession. Hell, even one of the
states that led the charge to outlaw weed,
my home of Texas, has recently downgraded
possession of small amounts.
if I sit down and smoke MJ every minute
of everyday I am the one responsible when
I wake up the next morning and realize I
didnt get anything done the day before,
and now i feel like caca from eating all
that junk and sitting in a chair all day.
I have done this before, but not smoking,
playing video games! EXAMINE YOUR LIFE
STYLE.
Marijuana is nothing more than a hobby.
its about as addictive as video games.
When I stop playing world of warcraft I
also get "withdrawal" symptoms, similar to
what you all describe. vivid dreams of
playing WoW in my brain, cold sweats at
night thinking about epics. Its silly,
really is, to compare this to an actual
addiction. go smoke coke for a week then
tell me how you feel. Marijuana is more
harmless than potatoes, even the DEA says
so, get a grip, exercise, eat right, you
wont have a problem putting off
Marijuana.
And I am not a clouded person. I've got a
degree in mechanical engineering, and
didn't even use it in life, because I
didn't have to. I started and ran my own
business, work 70 hours a week to maintain
it, and marijuana has not slowed me down
one bit in the 13 years I've been working
at it. You have to use common sense. I
dont go to work stoned off my ass. I didnt
pass my final exam stoned either. You cant
be unrealistic and expect to be able to
function normally in life if you run
around high!
I Properly enjoy coming home after a hard
day of work and being able to take a hit,
relax, and have a good night and a good
sleep. I wouldnt be able to do that
WITHOUT marijuana.
In fact, I believe some have already
discovered their "withdrawal" symptoms to
be nothing more than "reality". Marijuana
was just helping them cope with their
problems, mentally. Its all up in your
head. The difference from drug USE to drug
ABUSE is where your lifestyle comes into
play. When I get up in the morning, I dont
take a hit and watch TV, I workout, cook
breakfast, do my dishes, and get my ass to
my shop before 8AM so I can start my
business up for the day. Stop blaming
marijuana for your problems. If you have a
problem getting motivated then you need to
find another hobby, or stop using it so
much. Even though it cant kill you,
Anything in huge amounts is not good for
your body. Eat apples, everyday, as much
as you smoked MJ, for as long as you
smoked MJ, then suddenly stop one day.
Wheres my apple? (cold sweats break out)
Ill leave you with one last thing.
http://www.world-m
ysteries.com/marijuana1.htm
* All schoolbooks were made from hemp or
flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper
Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974.
* It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in
America from 1631 until the early 1800s;
LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.
* REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during
the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST
THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia
for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to
1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M.
Herdon.
* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and
other founding fathers GREW HEMP;
Washington and Jefferson Diaries.
Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China
to France then to America.
* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first
paper mills in America and it processed
hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought
over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off
Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears
No Clothes, Jack Herer.
* For thousands of years, 90% of all
ships' sails and rope were made from hemp.
The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis;
Webster's New World Dictionary.
* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes,
linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made
from hemp until the 1820s with the
introduction of the cotton gin.
* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy
Ross's flag, the first drafts of the
Declaration of Independence and the
Constitution were made from hemp; U.S.
Government Archives.
* The first crop grown in many states was
hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky
producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the
largest cash crop until the 20th Century;
State Archives.
* Oldest known records of hemp farming go
back 5000 years in China, although hemp
industrialization probably goes back to
ancient Egypt.
* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as
well as most early canvas paintings were
principally painted on hemp linen.
* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted
that by the 1940s all paper would come
from hemp and that no more trees need to
be cut down. Government studies report
that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of
trees. Plans were in the works to
implement such programs; Department of
Agriculture
* Quality paints and varnishes were made
from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons
of hemp seeds were used in America for
paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams
Paint Co. testimony before Congress
against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.
* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to
run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF
WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large
estate, Ford was photographed among his
hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the
soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose
impact strength was 10 times stronger than
steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.
* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It
was the first time a cash crop had a
business potential to exceed a billion
dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.
* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb.
1938) published an article entitled 'The
Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that
Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was
cultivated using 20th Century technology,
it would be the single largest
agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest
of the world.
The following information comes directly
from the United States Department of
Agriculture's 1942 14-minute film
encouraging and instructing 'patriotic
American farmers' to grow 350,000 acres of
hemp each year for the war effort:
'...(When) Grecian temples were new, hemp
was already old in the service of mankind.
For thousands of years, even then, this
plant had been grown for cordage and cloth
in China and elsewhere in the East. For
centuries prior to about 1850, all the
ships that sailed the western seas were
rigged with hempen rope and sails. For the
sailor, no less than the hangman, hemp was
indispensable...
...Now with Philippine and East Indian
sources of hemp in the hands of the
Japanese...American hemp must meet the
needs of our Army and Navy as well as of
our industries...
...the Navy's rapidly dwindling reserves.
When that is gone, American hemp will go
on duty again; hemp for mooring ships;
hemp for tow lines; hemp for tackle and
gear; hemp for countless naval uses both
on ship and shore. Just as in the days
when Old Ironsides sailed the seas
victorious with her hempen shrouds and
hempen sails. Hemp for victory!'
Certified proof from the Library of
Congress; found by the research of Jack
Herer, refuting claims of other government
agencies that the 1942 USDA film 'Hemp for
Victory' did not exist.
Hemp cultivation and production do not
harm the environment. The USDA Bulletin
#404 concluded that hemp produces 4 times
as much pulp with at least 4 to 7 times
less pollution. From Popular Mechanics,
Feb. 1938:
'It has a short growing season...It can be
grown in any state...The long roots
penetrate and break the soil to leave it
in perfect condition for the next year's
crop. The dense shock of leaves, 8 to 12
feet above the ground, chokes out weeds.
...hemp, this new crop can add
immeasurably to American agriculture and
industry.'
In the 1930s, innovations in farm
machinery would have caused an industrial
revolution when applied to hemp. This
single resource could have created
millions of new jobs generating thousands
of quality products. Hemp, if not made
illegal, would have brought America out of
the Great Depression.
William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and
the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of
Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of
timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied
most paper products. Patty Hearst's
grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his
own personal profit, stood to lose
billions because of hemp.
In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to
make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's
Annual Report urged stockholders to invest
in its new petrochemical division.
Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane,
celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron,
etc., could now be made from oil. Natural
hemp industrialization would have ruined
over 80% of Dupont's business.
aha, one last thing. quotes from the
Bible:
Quote:
"I will raise up for them a plant of
renown, and they shall be no more consumed
with hunger in the land, neither bear the
shame of the heathen any more." (Ezekiel
34:29) A healing plant. On either side of
the river, was there the tree of life,
which bare 12 manner of fruits, and
yielding her fruit every month; and the
leaves of the tree were for the healing of
the nations. (Revelations 22:1-2) A gift
from God.
Cannabis was used 12 ways: clothing,
paper, cord, sails, fishnet, oil, sealant,
incense, food, and in ceremony, relaxation
and medicine.
Quote:
For so the Lord said unto me, "I will take
my rest and I will consider in my dwelling
place like a clear heat upon herbs. For
afore harvest, when the bud is perfect and
the sour grape is ripening in the flower,
he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning
hooks and take away and cut down the
branches." (Isaiah 18:4-5)
Ive been smoking weed for about 12
years.Its the first thing Ive tried and
now the last thing I have to give up. Im
also on methadone for Opiate addiction (80
mlg's a day). I never thought quitting
smoking weed would be so hard. I also
dident think there were withdrawls from
weed but I was wrong about that as well.
This is my second day without it and Im
shaky,restless,cant keep anything
down,etc. Ive done so many drugs and they
have ruined my life but I always said that
there was nothing wrong with having a puff
every now and then.But 7-8 joints a day is
not every now and then and I cant make
myself believe that it is anymore.I spend
40 dollers every 2 days on it....and i
dont have alot of money.Im not working or
anything,just waiting to go back to
school. And because of all the weed I
smoke I spit up that much caca its not
even funny.I mean this is nuts what Im
coughing up all the time. I know people
who smoke a pack of cigarettes a day and
dont cough up nothing like this....Ive
also recently gotten acid reflux and I
dident think it had anything to do with me
smoking weed but I just read a post from
someone els and they said they have acid
reflux bacause of smoking weed.Mayby thats
why I have it too....I dident think it
would be this hard and I thought the
methadone would help but its not.....mayby
its just in my head...I dont know
anymore.....this is tougher than I ever
thought it would be but I have 2 do it.I
dont know if I should have weened myseld
down instead of just stopping all together
or not.I want to go get something so bad
but I know I have to do this and I really
want to!!I just pray to God he'll give me
the strength again.If it wasent for him Id
still be shooting up all day long and
eating pills all the time.
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krystineM
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Oct 2007 Posts: 1355 Location: mississauga, ontario Canada
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Posted: 10-14-07 19:27pm
marijuana is like smoking cigarettes.
its harmless compared to all the other
drugs out there.
but...if you're having withdrawls...all i
have to ask is how much do you smoke a
day???
Weed is one of those drugs where it gives
you that little mellow high
How long have you been smoking for?
i've been smoking weed for 3 years now, i
get some cravings for it now and then, but
i can go a few days without it. i just
keep myself busy.
maybe you should try that too so it gets
the thought of smoking weed off your mind
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Joneserer
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 1
Withdrawals From Weed Posted: 10-29-07 21:43pm
I was definitely one of those who would
have said that Weed was a non-addictive
drug. I treated it like the gospel,
constantly telling everyone to smoke, or
smoke more, smoking as much as I could
myself. Now I find that it is addictive. I
only smoked smoked for about 6 months, but
I hit it f*@*king hard as is the common
expression down here in Australia, smoking
at my peak probably a deal a day. That's
not including what I borrowed, pinched
etc. for the sake of "expanding my mind"
which I truly believed it was doing. I had
originally taken a short break for the
sake of my singing voice, and I am having
visual lag, intense depression, INTENSE
anxiety, sleeplessness, heart palpitations
(you have no idea how bad, BOOM BOOM BOOM
BOOM it freaks the sh*t out of me, its
like my hearts gonna wear out) and mild
appetite loss. I have decided to quit
permanently, I can assure you all that I
am not convincing myself of these
symptoms, as I am one of the most
level-headed, non-depressing, happy,
secure people I know, or at least I was,
before I smoked pot. Now I freak out when
I'm by myself, watching lights, I
constantly fret about whether or not I'm
going insane, it's awful. I would
recommend to any pothead to moderate their
intake. It's not worth doing what I did,
the pot doesn't do anything to you anyway
because you're so tolerant, and when you
quit no doctor can help you because there
is caca-all research done on weed. This
site reassured me that I was not in fact
going insane when I read other's symptoms
which indeed matched my own. Could the
wankers who go on about the "fact" that
weed's not addictive please give it a
rest, the brain gains tolerance to
endorphins, anandamide and aceylcholine
when you pump it full of THC. You can't
say that a drug like weed is non-addictive
if you know anything about
neuropharmacology. Sure, some people would
have less symptoms, and weed is not as
habit-forming as say cigarettes or Heroin,
but when you upset your natural balance to
the extent that hard-core stoners like
myself have, your body has to compensate
when if/when you wisen up. I'm not
preaching that everyone should be a
teetotaller, nothing wrong with occasional
partying! Just don't f*%ck yourself over,
because from my point of view having come
out the other side, it's SOOO not worth
it. If anyone wants to email me, I'd be
glad to chat, I know it's been hard for
me, and talking about it chills me out a
heap. Also, my symptoms are slowly
withering, so don't anyone freak out that
they don't go away, but from my
experience, they persist for a while, more
than a month in my case. I was reading on
the internet that it usuallyu takes about
3 months!
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messedupbigtime
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 2
Posted: 11-08-07 22:05pm
hi i'm new to this been smoking pot every
day for the past 22 years and now having
to give up for the sake of my chest . Ive
been addicted to many drugs over the years
and managed to kick them in the end except
pot over the years ive become more and
more withdrawn i stopped 2 days ago and my
mental state is getting rather bad now
plus sweating and lack of sleep aint
helping im just hoping the state of my
chest will give me the kick up the bum i
need to finally quit.hope you all manage
it to.
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PenguinsRus
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Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 1211 Location: New York, NY United States
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Posted: 11-09-07 10:40am
The only thing I feel when I don't is a
lack of ability to sleep. To me, its odd
that you feel anxious when you don't
smoke. I feel anxious when I DO smoke. I
guess its different for everyone!
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messedupbigtime
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 2
Posted: 11-10-07 08:30am
its been 3 days since i stopped smoking it
and to be honnest i think its like a mild
heroin come down i really wish this would
end i need to feel better to get on with
my life.
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missweeble
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Posts: 2
Pot Withdrawals Posted: 11-15-07 20:37pm
hey all, congrats if u'r reading this as
it means u've taken the 1st step in
realising u have a problem & that its
time to come off weed!
I have been reading some of the posts
& some of u guys r going thru sum
nasty withdrawals but stick with it guys
coz it gets easier with time. I have been
smoking for the past 7yrs, averaging say
10-15 cones per day.
A few yrs ago i came off rehab drugs for
heroin & honestly, coming off weed is
a doing it walk thru the park compared to
that...i guess in my head i was always
worried that coming off weed would give me
the same withdrawal symptoms as smack but
after day 4 of not smoking its not too bad
so far.
What's doing my head in is no sleep- i've
contemplated sleeping pills & booze
but i keep telling myself that im trying
to clean up my act,not just get another
addiction. Today is the worse day for me
so far- i feel like my skeleton wants to
jump outa my skin..have no energy, am
irritable & just generally feel like
caca. But the thing that keeps me going is
that at the end of the day wats worse-
going thru a few weeks of crap sleep,
being snappy & no appetite or spending
the rest of my life as an addict?
also, to those contemplating "weaning
off", that was the advice my rehab doctor
gave me too- after 3yrs of being on
"weaning off" medication, something
clicked in my head & i just
stopped...(funny thing was i only used
smack for a few months then got hooked on
that bup crap-go figure) i guess what i'm
trying to get across is that, eventually u
will go cold turkey & personally i
think weaning is just a way of making it
ok to smoke
just think about the reason u wana quit in
the 1st place & let that be ur
inspiration to be strong & persevere
with it
good luck <3
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missweeble
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Posts: 2
the Girlfriend Posted: 11-16-07 05:13am
Question for the girlfriend- have u ever
actually been on weed? smoked in day in &
out for yrs on end? Obviously from ur
posts i take it u haven't.
Studies- most studies r written by people
that have prob never even touched so much
as a glass of wine. If you were full of
THC, tI wonder if you'd tell me theres no
physical dependancy
OK Anyway, whoever says
marijuana withdrawals aren't real then
havent really smoke enough for their body
to recognize that its missing something,
So i've been smokin everyday for
7months...like at least 3 blunts a day and
on weekends like 10 blunts with friends
and health question, and i decided to quit
because i needed to get a job and most
jobs make you drop, so i quit weed and
cigarettes on the same day and by the 4th
day i had an anxiety panic attack, from
like the 5th to 10th day i felt
depression, for the first two weeks i had
nightmares and now im just really
irritated and nothing seems real, very
paranoid about things for no bless reason,
and its not addictive, i dont need it
because when you are going through this,
the last thing on your mind is smoking
because u know if u smoke, you will have
to go through it again, so might as well
just go through it, but its been day 36
and i still have some withdrawals, mostly
paranoia and feeling out of place and
things seeming unreal, so if anyone knows
how long this will last??, please help me
out, and tell me what could help these
withdrawals??, and its become so bad that
its all I think about, so what can i do to
get it off my
mind??
WOW. I have quit smoking weed a number of
times and it hasn't caused anything like
this! Quitting alcohol did, though. I
would wake up in the middle of the night
and it seemed as if I was, I don't know,
floating around in a world which I was
just barely connected to. I think it is
the harsh reality of actually being in the
world that is bearing down on you like a
speeding train. When I first smoked weed
I remember going into daydream land and
then coming back and being surprised and
saying, "WOW! I'm....... here!" It was
just unbelievable to me that I was here,
now, in this body, in this world, in this
universe! I think you are experiencing a
reverse effect. You are coming out of
lala land and you are now back in the
world and it is hard for you to grasp.
I think you are beginning to see life for
what it actually is but your mind is not
ready for it. The best thing to do is
just relax! Look around and tell yourself
that there is nothing wrong with what is
going on in your life because THERE ISN'T!
EVERYTHING IS FINE! Take each craving,
strange sensation, withdrawal symptom and
look at every one of them as a little bump
in the road, not as a crossroad where one
way is back to pot and the other is back
to sobriety. You are now sober and going
back is not an option, if this desision is
real in your mind, make it real in your
life or it will never be so. Do you want
it? THEN TAKE IT! IT IS YOURS!
I hope in your case
the withdrawls won't last this long
though. Sound like you smoked about as
heavy as me, but I did it for about 2
years. Got up to 3-4 grams a day
sometimes up to 6 if I was smoking blunts
and I honestly wish I could go back in
time I would never touch the stuff this
has been the worse time of my life. But
you just gotta hang on. Working out seems
to help, but my motivation is not very
good right now so I don't do it enough,
but when I do I seem better for a while.
I'm wondering what kind of wierd dreams
you all have cause I hear it's common for
people to have these wierd dreams, but
mine almost seem like a hallucination
which just scares the hell out of me. I
have not had this kind of thing happen
outside of my bed so I'm hoping i'm
actually asleep but it's truly hard to
even tell. I was drinking lots of coffee
for about 6 months while all this smoking
was going on too i'm sure that didn't
help. I actually had my first vivid
nightmare/dream while I was still smoking,
and it got so bad I decided to quit as
well as for other reasons.
I will say
this though I will never smoke pot after
what I have gone through. I know i'm
better of without it. Even if the
withdrawls didn't happen. I remember what
I was like on it. I didn't care while I
was still doing it and made myself sure it
was not like it really was, but I never
want to be like that again. But to anyone
still struggling stay strong and do your
best to tell yourself it's in your head
cause it is. I had to actually tell
myself over and over that is was and It
seemed stupid but it has worked! Also I
really feel like I have more control of my
life and any anxiety I had before this
then I would have if I hadn't gone through
it. It has forced me to learn to live
with it and fix it. Good luck to alll
you.
