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to Sunshine Posted: 01-10-06 23:17pm
I know it is demoralizing when we read
posts of people aborting babies. I know
when your read such things you ask
yourself but how it is possible that
someone could possibly want to terminate
the life of their own unborn children?
This is the world we live in. Not only
that but if we click on the news we read
more horrible things. Drugs, more
murders, roberies, war. Where is the
hope??? Our hope sunshine does not lie in
laws or a new president. Our hope
sunshine lies in god changing the hearts
of people.
Most of these girls who abort children
don't know god. They were not raised in a
christian home, nor they received a
christian education. Most of them for
sure did not had parents who watched them
neither. If this is the case how they
learn then? Through mistakes. When they
have an unintended pregnancy, when they
get an std, when their bf leaves them etc.
Therefore sunshine we can't judge them.
I have to say that I admire you for not
giving up on your child when you got
pregnant. You chose to take the narrow
road and that is admirable. For so many
years I saw my friends and so many others
taking the wide road and I questioned
jesus why do I have to be good when
everybody seems to not care? But jesus
didn't told us to follow them sunshine, he
told us to follow .H.I.M. Hope you
always have faith in .Him
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Re: to Sunshine Posted: 01-11-06 07:29am
whatisupwiththat
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
most of these girls who
abort children don't know god. They
were not raised in a christian home, nor
they received a christian education.
Most of them for sure did not had parents
who watched them
neither.
i'm sure you have proof of this moronic
statement, right bible
thumper?
i don't need to have any proof, I have
made this statement for what I have
seeing, you see it right here.
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Posted: 01-11-06 14:21pm
Nightangel.
We have freedom of religion.. I am not
christian, but both of my parents raised
me well. I never saw the inside of a
daycare facility. I went to preschool 3
hours a day, and that is it. My mother is
a nurse, my dad a professor in college
pt... My parents worked their schedules
to make sure that they raised us, and not
some strangers. I don't think abortion is
ok because my parents did not raise me, I
think abortion is okay because what I do
inside of my body is my business.
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Posted: 01-11-06 16:21pm
Nightangel, you are just further proof of
the small-mindedness that christianity
breeds. Look around the world; look
outside your window for real. Stop
viewing the world through the sinful lens
of christianity; and see the people of the
world and their choices as part of the
wonder of being human.
Just because you believe that christianity
is right absolutely does not mean
that it is. I can believe that the grass
is orange all I want; but it is still
green. You, my friend, believe the grass
is orange. The world is not always
perfect; and "imperfect" desicions do not
make us lesser beings; they are
expereinces we grow from.
Do you believe everything you see in the
news; do you take to heart every single
word you read, every single word a person
in power says? Of course you don't. So
why do you believe every word in the
bible? It was written by humans, not god.
Even if he was dictating what he wanted
written, that doesn't necessarily mean it
was written correctly.
Even our constitution is "interpereted",
and not taken literally. Do not believe
what they tell you! Explore the more of
the world as I have, and see truth with
your own eyes!
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Posted: 01-11-06 21:59pm
carifairy
wrote:
nightangel.
We have freedom of religion.. I am not
christian, but both of my parents raised
me well. I never saw the inside of a
daycare facility. I went to preschool 3
hours a day, and that is it. My mother
is a nurse, my dad a professor in college
pt... My parents worked their schedules
to make sure that they raised us, and not
some strangers. I don't think abortion
is ok because my parents did not raise me,
I think abortion is okay because what I do
inside of my body is my
business.
carifairy
i do not have any doubt that your parents
did raised you well. Raising a child well
has nothing to do with raising a child
with religion. I went to church since
birth. The church was a walking distance
to my house. Growing up I went to a
private protestant school and I was always
member of the youth groups at church, went
to numerous retreats and then in college
joined I praying circles groups and so on.
As you can see that's a lot of christian
education and it made me whom I am now :)
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Posted: 01-11-06 22:59pm
eiri
wrote:
nightangel, you are just
further proof of the small-mindedness that
christianity breeds. Look around the
world; look outside your window for real.
Stop viewing the world through the sinful
lens of christianity; and see the people
of the world and their choices as part of
the wonder of being human.
Just because you believe that christianity
is right absolutely does not mean
that it is. I can believe that the grass
is orange all I want; but it is still
green. You, my friend, believe the grass
is orange. The world is not always
perfect; and "imperfect" desicions do not
make us lesser beings; they are
expereinces we grow from.
Do you believe everything you see in the
news; do you take to heart every single
word you read, every single word a person
in power says?
Of course you don't. So why do you
believe every word in the bible? It was
written by humans, not god. Even if he
was dictating what he wanted written, that
doesn't necessarily mean it was written
correctly.
Even our constitution is "interpereted",
and not taken literally. Do not believe
what they tell you! Explore the more of
the world as I have, and see truth with
your own eyes!
eiri I don't understand well what you mean
about seeing the world for real and see
the people of the world and their choices
as a wonder of being human. Let me tell
you what I have seeing eiri. I saw my
brother with a bright future an engineer
graduated with honors getting into being
homosexual and making the choice of using
drugs, real bad ones and then see him
laying in a bed at a comma waiting for
certain death at the age of 33. I'm
going to be 33 in a few months and it
makes me want to cry to think this is all
that my brother lived. Unfortunatelty he
did not had a second chance. I don't
think of him as a lesser being, not of him
and not anyone else. I believe we do are
all the same.
Regarding the bible well that is the word
of god. And you are right it was written
by humans but with t he big difference is
that it was inspired by the holy spirit.
The bible is not a book that it is meant
to be interpretated by the exact words.
To understand the messages you need to
have knowlede of the life at the time, the
culture at the time and all that. The
amazing thing of the bible I personally
find is how it covers everything. Any
doubt that I could possibly have regarding
anything in life the answer is right
there. It is impressive to me. See eiri
in science 1+1+1 =3 but in the christian
religion 1+1+1=1. I think we the
christians are then the ones who are more
open minded.
I am a person of faith eiri and if you
look at the definiton of the word faith it
is about believing in what you can't see
or prove. All I can only tell you is that
I love the .Lord and that .He fullfills my
life. And nothing is this world can
replace this fullfillment for me. :)
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Posted: 01-11-06 23:05pm
There are many religions, and people of
many different faiths. I happen to
believe in buddhist teachings, and it has
helped me to be a more open minded and
patient woman. Buddhists have respect for
all beliefs and cultures. It is different
from believeing in a "god" , but we do
believe people will recieve punishment
from evil doing. Aka karma.. What goes
around comes around.. A simplified way of
saying it, but still very true.
Regardless of religion, being raised in a
loving home is most important.
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Posted: 01-11-06 23:08pm
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
nightangel, you are just
further proof of the small-mindedness that
christianity breeds. Look around the
world; look outside your window for real.
Stop viewing the world through the
sinful lens of christianity; and see the
people of the world and their choices as
part of the wonder of being human.
Just because you believe that christianity
is right absolutely does not mean
that it is. I can believe that the
grass is orange all I want; but it is
still green. You, my friend, believe
the grass is orange. The world is not
always perfect; and "imperfect" desicions
do not make us lesser beings; they are
expereinces we grow from.
Do you believe everything you see in the
news; do you take to heart every single
word you read, every single word a person
in power says?
Of course you don't. So why do you
believe every word in the bible? It
was written by humans, not god. Even
if he was dictating what he wanted
written, that doesn't necessarily mean it
was written correctly.
Even our constitution is "interpereted",
and not taken literally. Do not
believe what they tell you! Explore
the more of the world as I have, and see
truth with your own
eyes!
eiri I don't understand well what you mean
about seeing the world for real and see
the people of the world and their choices
as a wonder of being human. Let me tell
you what I have seeing eiri. I saw my
brother with a bright future an engineer
graduated with honors getting into being
homosexual and making the choice of using
drugs, real bad ones and then see him
laying in a bed at a comma waiting for
certain death at the age of 33.
you homophobe!! You edit homophobe! I
know a lot of homosexuals who are not into
drugs, and who are not dying. Go shove
yourself in a hole, edit. You are a
despicable excuse for a person. It is
people like you who come over to my group
of friends and tell them they are going to
hell just because they're in love, because
they're gay. God doesn't give a edit
about your gender preference in love.
Quote:
i'm going to be
33 in a few months and it makes me want to
cry to think this is all that my brother
lived. Unfortunatelty he did not had a
second chance. I don't think of him as
a lesser being, not of him and not anyone
else. I believe we do are all the same.
you think less of him because he's gay.
Quote:
regarding the
bible well that is the word of god. And
you are right it was written by humans but
with t he big difference is that it was
inspired by the holy spirit. The bible
is not a book that it is meant to be
interpretated by the exact words.
then why do so many of you do just that?
Quote:
to understand
the messages you need to have knowlede of
the life at the time, the culture at the
time and all that. The amazing thing of
the bible I personally find is how it
covers everything.
it covers stem cell research and planetary
exploration? Where? Where?
Quote:
any doubt that I
could possibly have regarding anything in
life the answer is right there. It is
impressive to me. See eiri in science
1+1+1 =3 but in the christian religion
1+1+1=1.
so, that just means you christians don't
know how to add.
Quote:
I think we the
christians are then the ones who are more
open minded.
sure! In your minds, everyone
who isn't you is going to hell! Very
non-discrimanatory there!
Quote:
i am a person of
faith eiri and if you look at the
definiton of the word faith it is about
believing in what you can't see or prove.
my mother is a woman of faith, but she's
not a fool.
Quote:
all I can only
tell you is that I love the .Lord and that
.He fullfills my life. And nothing is
this world can replace this fullfillment
for me. :)
i love what I believe to be some kind of
force up there too. I call him god
because i'm used to calling it that, but
maybe it doesn't have a name. I feel
peace when talking to it, even if i'm just
talking to myself. Faith in something is
very strong, but unfortunatly it's hard to
change a belief, and far easier to change
a thought. You can learn new things that
change your thoughts and the facts of
things. Changing a belief is far harder
because you're asking people to stop
believing in something they've had to put
so much blind faith into. When you
blindly believe in something, the last
thing you want is to be disproven.
People kill over beliefs.
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Posted: 01-11-06 23:19pm
carifairy
wrote:
there are many religions,
and people of many different faiths. I
happen to believe in buddhist teachings,
and it has helped me to be a more open
minded and patient woman. Buddhists have
respect for all beliefs and cultures. It
is different from believeing in a "god" ,
but we do believe people will recieve
punishment from evil doing. Aka karma..
What goes around comes around.. A
simplified way of saying it, but still
very true. Regardless of religion,
being raised in a loving home is most
important.
yes carifairy and god is all about love.
There is no biggest love than that of whom
gives his life for their friends. And
this is what jesus did. As a christian I
respect all believes and religions except
the islam one from the al queda I admit.
All religions are cut the same. Do good
and not evil.
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Posted: 01-12-06 17:51pm
eiri
wrote:
nightangel, you are just
further proof of the small-mindedness that
christianity breeds. Look around the
world; look outside your window for real.
Stop viewing the world through the
sinful lens of christianity; and see the
people of the world and their choices as
part of the wonder of being human.
Just because you believe that christianity
is right absolutely does not mean
that it is. I can believe that the
grass is orange all I want; but it is
still green. You, my friend, believe
the grass is orange. The world is not
always perfect; and "imperfect" desicions
do not make us lesser beings; they are
expereinces we grow from.
Do you believe everything you see in the
news; do you take to heart every single
word you read, every single word a person
in power says? Of course you don't.
So why do you believe every word in the
bible? It was written by humans, not
god. Even if he was dictating what he
wanted written, that doesn't necessarily
mean it was written correctly.
Even our constitution is "interpereted",
and not taken literally. Do not believe
what they tell you! Explore the more of
the world as I have, and see truth with
your own eyes!
you dear, could not see truth if it bit
you in the edit. You just sit back and
discredit any religion that is of topic
and bash .Jesus. You call people who
respect religion "bible thumpers" or
whatever you have it on the given day.
You continue to disrespect religion. You
edit and moan that people constantly refer
to religion regarding the topic of
abortion, but really, your the one
bringing it up more than anyone here.
Zip it would you please?
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sunshine424
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Posted: 01-12-06 17:55pm
eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
nightangel, you are just
further proof of the small-mindedness that
christianity breeds. Look around the
world; look outside your window for real.
Stop viewing the world through the
sinful lens of christianity; and see the
people of the world and their choices as
part of the wonder of being human.
Just because you believe that christianity
is right absolutely does not mean
that it is. I can believe that the
grass is orange all I want; but it is
still green. You, my friend, believe
the grass is orange. The world is not
always perfect; and "imperfect" desicions
do not make us lesser beings; they are
expereinces we grow from.
Do you believe everything you see in the
news; do you take to heart every single
word you read, every single word a person
in power says?
Of course you don't. So why do you
believe every word in the bible? It
was written by humans, not god. Even
if he was dictating what he wanted
written, that doesn't necessarily mean it
was written correctly.
Even our constitution is "interpereted",
and not taken literally. Do not
believe what they tell you! Explore
the more of the world as I have, and see
truth with your own
eyes!
eiri I don't understand well what you mean
about seeing the world for real and see
the people of the world and their choices
as a wonder of being human. Let me
tell you what I have seeing eiri. I
saw my brother with a bright future an
engineer graduated with honors getting
into being homosexual and making the
choice of using drugs, real bad ones and
then see him laying in a bed at a comma
waiting for certain death at the age of
33.
you homophobe!! You fuking
homophobe! I know a lot of homosexuals
who are not into drugs, and who are not
dying. Go shove yourself in a hole,
christian slave. You are a despicable
excuse for a person. It is people like
you who come over to my group of friends
and tell them they are going to hell just
because they're in love, because they're
gay. God doesn't give a damn about your
gender preference in love.
Quote:
i'm going to be
33 in a few months and it makes me want to
cry to think this is all that my brother
lived. Unfortunatelty he did not had a
second chance. I don't think of him as
a lesser being, not of him and not anyone
else. I believe we do are all the
same.
you think less of him because he's gay.
Quote:
regarding the
bible well that is the word of god.
And you are right it was written by humans
but with t he big difference is that it
was inspired by the holy spirit. The
bible is not a book that it is meant to be
interpretated by the exact words.
then why do so many of you do just that?
Quote:
to understand
the messages you need to have knowlede of
the life at the time, the culture at the
time and all that. The amazing thing
of the bible I personally find is how it
covers everything.
it covers stem cell research and planetary
exploration? Where? Where?
Quote:
any doubt that I
could possibly have regarding anything in
life the answer is right there. It is
impressive to me. See eiri in science
1+1+1 =3 but in the christian religion
1+1+1=1.
so, that just means you christians don't
know how to add.
Quote:
I think we the
christians are then the ones who are more
open minded.
sure! In your minds, everyone
who isn't you is going to hell! Very
non-discrimanatory there!
Quote:
i am a person of
faith eiri and if you look at the
definiton of the word faith it is about
believing in what you can't see or prove.
my mother is a woman of faith, but she's
not a fool.
Quote:
all I can only
tell you is that I love the .Lord and that
.He fullfills my life. And nothing is
this world can replace this fullfillment
for me. :)
i love what I believe to be some kind of
force up there too. I call him god
because i'm used to calling it that, but
maybe it doesn't have a name. I feel
peace when talking to it, even if i'm just
talking to myself. Faith in something
is very strong, but unfortunatly it's hard
to change a belief, and far easier to
change a thought. You can learn new
things that change your thoughts and the
facts of things. Changing a belief is
far harder because you're asking people to
stop believing in something they've had to
put so much blind faith into. When you
blindly believe in something, the last
thing you want is to be disproven.
People kill over
beliefs.
woah lucy, settle edit down. Maybe you
should take something to calm you woman.
Nightangel never said all homosexuals take
drugs . She said her brother turned to
homosexual and started drugs. Shame on
you for making such an assumption. I
believe you owe nightangel an apology for
calling her a homophobe. Goodness! And
to acuse her of seeing her brother of less
of a person is putting words in her mouth
and making you look like a edit. Please
think before you speak in order to avoid
annoying, explosive behavior. Thanks.
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Re: to Sunshine Posted: 01-12-06 18:00pm
nightangel73
wrote:
i know it is demoralizing
when we read posts of people aborting
babies. I know when your read such
things you ask yourself but how it is
possible that someone could possibly want
to terminate the life of their own unborn
children? This is the world we live in.
Not only that but if we click on the news
we read more horrible things. Drugs,
more not a nice acts, roberies, war.
Where is the hope??? Our hope sunshine
does not lie in laws or a new president.
Our hope sunshine lies in god changing the
hearts of people.
Most of these girls who abort children
don't know god. They were not raised in
a christian home, nor they received a
christian education. Most of them for
sure did not had parents who watched them
neither. If this is the case how they
learn then? Through mistakes. When
they have an unintended pregnancy, when
they get an std, when their bf leaves them
etc. Therefore sunshine we can't judge
them.
I have to say that I admire you for not
giving up on your child when you got
pregnant. You chose to take the narrow
road and that is admirable. For so many
years I saw my friends and so many others
taking the wide road and I questioned
jesus why do I have to be good when
everybody seems to not care? But jesus
didn't told us to follow them sunshine, he
told us to follow .H.I.M. Hope you
always have faith in
.Him
i don't believe that these woman who abort
do not know .God. Catholics abort
everyday along with people of all
religion. I reference .God sometimes when
talking of abortion but I do not oppose
abortion because i'm .Catholic. I oppose
it because I feel killing another human
being is disgusting and wrong. It's not
even about religion. Just like abortion
is not about a stupid "woman's right".
Maybe I should not judge them, but I do.
Maybe that's right, maybe it is wrong. I
never claimed to be perfect or not to sin.
It's how I feel. I obviously don't hide
my feelings regarding abortion. And yes,
I do judge these skanks who kill their
babies. I have a right to, whether it's
right or wrong. I will take that "wrong"
over the wrong of killing another human
being.
I will always have faith in .God. I love
.God and he is the reason I am here, along
with everyone else. My love only grows
stronger. He brought my son to me and for
that among many other things, i'm forever
grateful, and loving.
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Posted: 01-12-06 22:50pm
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
nightangel, you are just
further proof of the small-mindedness that
christianity breeds. Look around the
world; look outside your window for real.
Stop viewing the world through the
sinful lens of christianity; and see the
people of the world and their choices as
part of the wonder of being human.
Just because you believe that christianity
is right absolutely does not mean
that it is. I can believe that the
grass is orange all I want; but it is
still green. You, my friend, believe
the grass is orange. The world is not
always perfect; and "imperfect" desicions
do not make us lesser beings; they are
expereinces we grow from.
Do you believe everything you see in the
news; do you take to heart every single
word you read, every single word a person
in power says?
Of course you don't. So why do you
believe every word in the bible? It
was written by humans, not god. Even
if he was dictating what he wanted
written, that doesn't necessarily mean it
was written correctly.
Even our constitution is "interpereted",
and not taken literally. Do not
believe what they tell you! Explore
the more of the world as I have, and see
truth with your own
eyes!
eiri I don't understand well what you mean
about seeing the world for real and see
the people of the world and their choices
as a wonder of being human. Let me
tell you what I have seeing eiri. I
saw my brother with a bright future an
engineer graduated with honors getting
into being homosexual and making the
choice of using drugs, real bad ones and
then see him laying in a bed at a comma
waiting for certain death at the age of
33.
you homophobe!! You fuking
homophobe! I know a lot of homosexuals
who are not into drugs, and who are not
dying. Go shove yourself in a hole,
christian slave. You are a despicable
excuse for a person. It is people like
you who come over to my group of friends
and tell them they are going to hell just
because they're in love, because they're
gay. God doesn't give a damn about your
gender preference in love.
Quote:
i'm going to be
33 in a few months and it makes me want to
cry to think this is all that my brother
lived. Unfortunatelty he did not had a
second chance. I don't think of him as
a lesser being, not of him and not anyone
else. I believe we do are all the
same.
you think less of him because he's gay.
Quote:
regarding the
bible well that is the word of god.
And you are right it was written by humans
but with t he big difference is that it
was inspired by the holy spirit. The
bible is not a book that it is meant to be
interpretated by the exact words.
then why do so many of you do just that?
Quote:
to understand
the messages you need to have knowlede of
the life at the time, the culture at the
time and all that. The amazing thing
of the bible I personally find is how it
covers everything.
it covers stem cell research and planetary
exploration? Where? Where?
Quote:
any doubt that I
could possibly have regarding anything in
life the answer is right there. It is
impressive to me. See eiri in science
1+1+1 =3 but in the christian religion
1+1+1=1.
so, that just means you christians don't
know how to add.
Quote:
I think we the
christians are then the ones who are more
open minded.
sure! In your minds, everyone
who isn't you is going to hell! Very
non-discrimanatory there!
Quote:
i am a person of
faith eiri and if you look at the
definiton of the word faith it is about
believing in what you can't see or prove.
my mother is a woman of faith, but she's
not a fool.
Quote:
all I can only
tell you is that I love the .Lord and that
.He fullfills my life. And nothing is
this world can replace this fullfillment
for me. :)
i love what I believe to be some kind of
force up there too. I call him god
because i'm used to calling it that, but
maybe it doesn't have a name. I feel
peace when talking to it, even if i'm just
talking to myself. Faith in something
is very strong, but unfortunatly it's hard
to change a belief, and far easier to
change a thought. You can learn new
things that change your thoughts and the
facts of things. Changing a belief is
far harder because you're asking people to
stop believing in something they've had to
put so much blind faith into. When you
blindly believe in something, the last
thing you want is to be disproven.
People kill over
beliefs.
woah lucy, settle the medical question
down. Maybe you should take something to
calm you woman. Nightangel never said
all homosexuals take drugs you nut. She
said her brother turned to homosexual and
started drugs. Shame on you for making
such an assumption. I believe you owe
nightangel an apology for calling her a
homophobe. Goodness! And to acuse her
of seeing her brother of less of a person
is putting words in her mouth and making
you look like a nutjob. Please think
before you speak in order to avoid
annoying, explosive behavior.
Thanks.
thank you sunshine, totally agreed.
Even if I were truly a homophobe why do
you judge me? If you respect people that
have abortions then you should respect
homophobic people too. Homophobes are
human beings too that make mistakes just
like everyone else.
But let me tell you a word about gays for
the record. There is good gays and there
is bad gays. I never had a problem with
my brother being gay, I never told him he
was going to hell or anything like that.
You have a very wrong idea about
christians judging homosexuals. I am
catholic and the church I go has a
ministry for gays. Made by gays/lesbians
and for gays/lesbians. True christians do
not reject homosexuals, or abortionits
etc. Christians are not perfect people
neither. I am sorry that you think so bad
about christians.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-12-06 23:08pm
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
nightangel, you are just
further proof of the small-mindedness that
christianity breeds. Look around the
world; look outside your window for real.
Stop viewing the world through the
sinful lens of christianity; and see the
people of the world and their choices as
part of the wonder of being human.
Just because you believe that christianity
is right absolutely does not mean
that it is. I can believe that the
grass is orange all I want; but it is
still green. You, my friend, believe
the grass is orange. The world is not
always perfect; and "imperfect" desicions
do not make us lesser beings; they are
expereinces we grow from.
Do you believe everything you see in the
news; do you take to heart every single
word you read, every single word a person
in power says? Of course you don't.
So why do you believe every word in the
bible? It was written by humans, not
god. Even if he was dictating what he
wanted written, that doesn't necessarily
mean it was written correctly.
Even our constitution is "interpereted",
and not taken literally. Do not believe
what they tell you! Explore the more of
the world as I have, and see truth with
your own eyes!
you dear, could not see truth if it bit
you in the a.Ss. You just sit back and
discredit any religion that is of topic
and bash .Jesus. You call people who
respect religion "bible thumpers" or
whatever you have it on the given day.
You continue to disrespect religion. You
health forum and moan that people
constantly refer to religion regarding the
topic of abortion, but really, your the
one bringing it up more than anyone here.
Zip it would you
please?
i continue to disrespect religion? All
religion? Oh no, wait... You meant just
your religion. Sorry
darling, but I still feel extremely strong
relations to christianity, and I really
wish people would stop ruining it. Jesus
wants his religion back; the one where
people didn't go around telling gays that
they were going to hell, the one where
people actually practiced real compassion.
I've been to a christian youth camp, i'm
been to a christian program called aquire
the fire, and I attended church in my
youth. Trust me, I have met a lot of
really wondeful christians. My mother is
one, and she is pro-life through
expereince but guess what? We still get
along just fine. I sound like i'm
repeating myself, but that's because I
have to re-state on about three different
topics my feelings on true acceptance.
I defined "bible-thumper" elsewhere. Go
look for it. I only ever mention god
after someone else has already started
it.
And for the last freaking time, I have
never bashed jesus! I continually say he
was a brilliant man, just not the savior.
I love many of the things he taught. He
died on a cross, and the way he was
treated was atrocious. The .Passion of
the .Christ made me cry as an outrage to
human dignity. How any human can treat
another human like that horrifies me. ((a
zef is not human the way jesus or you or
me is human... We are born!))
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-12-06 23:12pm
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
nightangel, you are just
further proof of the small-mindedness that
christianity breeds. Look around the
world; look outside your window for real.
Stop viewing the world through the
sinful lens of christianity; and see the
people of the world and their choices as
part of the wonder of being human.
Just because you believe that christianity
is right absolutely does not mean
that it is. I can believe that the
grass is orange all I want; but it is
still green. You, my friend, believe
the grass is orange. The world is not
always perfect; and "imperfect" desicions
do not make us lesser beings; they are
expereinces we grow from.
Do you believe everything you see in the
news; do you take to heart every single
word you read, every single word a person
in power says?
Of course you don't. So why do you
believe every word in the bible? It
was written by humans, not god. Even
if he was dictating what he wanted
written, that doesn't necessarily mean it
was written correctly.
Even our constitution is "interpereted",
and not taken literally. Do not
believe what they tell you! Explore
the more of the world as I have, and see
truth with your own
eyes!
eiri I don't understand well what you mean
about seeing the world for real and see
the people of the world and their choices
as a wonder of being human. Let me
tell you what I have seeing eiri. I
saw my brother with a bright future an
engineer graduated with honors getting
into being homosexual and making the
choice of using drugs, real bad ones and
then see him laying in a bed at a comma
waiting for certain death at the age of
33.
you homophobe!! You fuking
homophobe! I know a lot of homosexuals
who are not into drugs, and who are not
dying. Go shove yourself in a hole,
christian slave. You are a despicable
excuse for a person. It is people like
you who come over to my group of friends
and tell them they are going to hell just
because they're in love, because they're
gay. God doesn't give a damn about your
gender preference in love.
Quote:
i'm going to be
33 in a few months and it makes me want to
cry to think this is all that my brother
lived. Unfortunatelty he did not had a
second chance. I don't think of him as
a lesser being, not of him and not anyone
else. I believe we do are all the
same.
you think less of him because he's gay.
Quote:
regarding the
bible well that is the word of god.
And you are right it was written by humans
but with t he big difference is that it
was inspired by the holy spirit. The
bible is not a book that it is meant to be
interpretated by the exact words.
then why do so many of you do just that?
Quote:
to understand
the messages you need to have knowlede of
the life at the time, the culture at the
time and all that. The amazing thing
of the bible I personally find is how it
covers everything.
it covers stem cell research and planetary
exploration? Where? Where?
Quote:
any doubt that I
could possibly have regarding anything in
life the answer is right there. It is
impressive to me. See eiri in science
1+1+1 =3 but in the christian religion
1+1+1=1.
so, that just means you christians don't
know how to add.
Quote:
I think we the
christians are then the ones who are more
open minded.
sure! In your minds, everyone
who isn't you is going to hell! Very
non-discrimanatory there!
Quote:
i am a person of
faith eiri and if you look at the
definiton of the word faith it is about
believing in what you can't see or prove.
my mother is a woman of faith, but she's
not a fool.
Quote:
all I can only
tell you is that I love the .Lord and that
.He fullfills my life. And nothing is
this world can replace this fullfillment
for me. :)
i love what I believe to be some kind of
force up there too. I call him god
because i'm used to calling it that, but
maybe it doesn't have a name. I feel
peace when talking to it, even if i'm just
talking to myself. Faith in something
is very strong, but unfortunatly it's hard
to change a belief, and far easier to
change a thought. You can learn new
things that change your thoughts and the
facts of things. Changing a belief is
far harder because you're asking people to
stop believing in something they've had to
put so much blind faith into. When you
blindly believe in something, the last
thing you want is to be disproven.
People kill over
beliefs.
woah lucy, settle the medical question
down. Maybe you should take something to
calm you woman.
no, because drugs are .America's cure for
everything. Learn to deal with your
problems by yourself.
Quote:
nightangel never
said all homosexuals take drugs you nut.
She said her brother turned to homosexual
and started drugs.
and why was mentioning the fact that he
was homosexual necessary? It really
brings out the fact to me that his coming
out of the closet deeply traumatized her
morally. Because she believes it is evil.
((note that I respond to these one at a
time, and I have not read her reply to
this post yet.))
Quote:
shame on you for
making such an assumption. I believe you
owe nightangel an apology for calling her
a homophobe. Goodness! And to acuse
her of seeing her brother of less of a
person is putting words in her mouth and
making you look like a nutjob. Please
think before you speak in order to avoid
annoying, explosive behavior.
Thanks.
hey, she's the one who made it appear as
such. I found it completely unnecessary
to mention his sexual preference in her
list of things that he did that she is now
sad about him for doing.
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Posted: 01-12-06 23:21pm
nightangel73
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
nightangel, you are just
further proof of the small-mindedness that
christianity breeds. Look around
the world; look outside your window for
real. Stop viewing the world
through the sinful lens of christianity;
and see the people of the world and their
choices as part of the wonder of being
human.
Just because you believe that christianity
is right absolutely does not mean
that it is. I can believe that the
grass is orange all I want; but it is
still green. You, my friend,
believe the grass is orange. The
world is not always perfect; and
"imperfect" desicions do not make us
lesser beings; they are expereinces we
grow from.
Do you believe everything you see in the
news; do you take to heart every single
word you read, every single word a person
in power says?
Of course you don't. So why do you
believe every word in the bible? It
was written by humans, not god.
Even if he was dictating what he wanted
written, that doesn't necessarily mean it
was written correctly.
Even our constitution is "interpereted",
and not taken literally. Do not
believe what they tell you! Explore
the more of the world as I have, and see
truth with your own
eyes!
eiri I don't understand well what you mean
about seeing the world for real and see
the people of the world and their choices
as a wonder of being human. Let me
tell you what I have seeing eiri. I
saw my brother with a bright future an
engineer graduated with honors getting
into being homosexual and making the
choice of using drugs, real bad ones and
then see him laying in a bed at a comma
waiting for certain death at the age of
33.
you homophobe!! You fuking
homophobe! I know a lot of
homosexuals who are not into drugs, and
who are not dying. Go shove yourself
in a hole, christian slave. You are a
despicable excuse for a person. It is
people like you who come over to my group
of friends and tell them they are going to
hell just because they're in love, because
they're gay. God doesn't give a damn
about your gender preference in love.
Quote:
i'm going to be
33 in a few months and it makes me want to
cry to think this is all that my brother
lived. Unfortunatelty he did not had
a second chance. I don't think of
him as a lesser being, not of him and not
anyone else. I believe we do are all
the same.
you think less of him because he's gay.
Quote:
regarding the
bible well that is the word of god.
And you are right it was written by humans
but with t he big difference is that it
was inspired by the holy spirit. The
bible is not a book that it is meant to be
interpretated by the exact words.
then why do so many of you do just that?
Quote:
to understand
the messages you need to have knowlede of
the life at the time, the culture at the
time and all that. The amazing thing
of the bible I personally find is how it
covers everything.
it covers stem cell research and planetary
exploration? Where? Where?
Quote:
any doubt that I
could possibly have regarding anything in
life the answer is right there. It
is impressive to me. See eiri in
science 1+1+1 =3 but in the christian
religion 1+1+1=1.
so, that just means you christians don't
know how to add.
Quote:
I think we the
christians are then the ones who are more
open minded.
sure! In your minds, everyone
who isn't you is going to hell! Very
non-discrimanatory there!
Quote:
i am a person of
faith eiri and if you look at the
definiton of the word faith it is about
believing in what you can't see or prove.
my mother is a woman of faith, but she's
not a fool.
Quote:
all I can only
tell you is that I love the .Lord and that
.He fullfills my life. And nothing
is this world can replace this
fullfillment for me.
:)
i love what I believe to be some kind of
force up there too. I call him god
because i'm used to calling it that, but
maybe it doesn't have a name. I feel
peace when talking to it, even if i'm just
talking to myself. Faith in something
is very strong, but unfortunatly it's hard
to change a belief, and far easier to
change a thought. You can learn new
things that change your thoughts and the
facts of things. Changing a belief is
far harder because you're asking people to
stop believing in something they've had to
put so much blind faith into. When
you blindly believe in something, the last
thing you want is to be disproven.
People kill over
beliefs.
woah lucy, settle the medical question
down. Maybe you should take something
to calm you woman. Nightangel never
said all homosexuals take drugs you nut.
She said her brother turned to
homosexual and started drugs. Shame on
you for making such an assumption. I
believe you owe nightangel an apology for
calling her a homophobe. Goodness!
And to acuse her of seeing her brother of
less of a person is putting words in her
mouth and making you look like a nutjob.
Please think before you speak in order
to avoid annoying, explosive behavior.
Thanks.
thank you sunshine, totally agreed.
Even if I were truly a homophobe why do
you judge me? If you respect people
that have abortions then you should
respect homophobic people too.
Homophobes are human beings too that make
mistakes just like everyone else.
because I don't respect people who don't
respect others. I'm not christian, and I
believe people should be judged for things
such as hating other humans for being in
love.
Quote:
but let me tell
you a word about gays for the record.
There is good gays and there is bad gays.
no there aren't. There are gays, and
there are gays, and that's it. Some
flaunt it more than others, some are more
quiet about it. And that's just like
straight or bisexual people. You can't
be a "bad staight person" because
of your sexuality, so how the hell can you
be a bad gay?
Quote:
I never had a
problem with my brother being gay, I never
told him he was going to hell or anything
like that. You have a very wrong idea
about christians judging homosexuals.
i go off of expereince. Even my mother,
god bless her, is slightly homphobic.
She really isn't comfortable with them at
all, and really sorta doesn't want them
getting married. She called .R.E.N.T the
"musical with the gay people and .A.I.D.S
in it.
Quote:
i am catholic and
the church I go has a ministry for gays.
Made by gays/lesbians and for
gays/lesbians. True christians do not
reject homosexuals, or abortionits etc.
Christians are not perfect people neither.
I am sorry that you think so bad about
christians.
i'm glad your church is open. I know
that the official catholic church
excommunicates all gays upon notification
of their sexual orientation.
I only think bad about the ones that come
and tell my friends they're going to hell.
I know a lot of christians who are
accepting no matter what, but they are far
from devoted members of the church. I
once went to a baptist youth meeting, and
had to sit through an anti-gay propaganda
video. I couldn't leave, I was only in
ninth grade and those people would have
flayed me (probably not, but in ninth
grade, all girls care about is "being
cool", and those losers were the only
friends I had at the time. I'm glad i'm
much braver and smarter now.)
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 01-16-06 03:43am
eiri
wrote:
no there aren't. There are
gays, and there are gays, and that's it.
Some flaunt it more than others, some are
more quiet about it. And that's just like
straight or bisexual people. You can't be
a "bad staight person" because of your
sexuality, so how the hell can you be a
bad gay?
ever heard of peadophiles/rapists so yes
you can be a bad straight person because
of your sexuality.My best mate is
homosexual and even he admits that some
gays give others a bad name.
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Posted: 01-16-06 20:27pm
cowboys
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
no there aren't. There are
gays, and there are gays, and that's it.
Some flaunt it more than others, some are
more quiet about it. And that's just
like straight or bisexual people. You
can't be a "bad staight person" because of
your sexuality, so how the hell can you be
a bad gay?
ever heard of peadophiles/rapists so yes
you can be a bad straight person because
of your sexuality.My best mate is
homosexual and even he admits that some
gays give others a bad
name.
very true. My brother said the same and I
remember he telling about how he had to be
careful because there were gays that just
wanted him to have sex and that's it and
then dump him. Just exactly like hetero
men use women for sex and then dump them.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-18-06 22:15pm
nightangel73
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
no there aren't. There
are gays, and there are gays, and that's
it. Some flaunt it more than others,
some are more quiet about it. And
that's just like straight or bisexual
people. You can't be a "bad staight
person" because of your sexuality, so how
the hell can you be a bad gay?
ever heard of peadophiles/rapists so yes
you can be a bad straight person because
of your sexuality.My best mate is
homosexual and even he admits that some
gays give others a bad
name.
very true. My brother said the same and
I remember he telling about how he had to
be careful because there were gays that
just wanted him to have sex and that's it
and then dump him. Just exactly like
hetero men use women for sex and then dump
them.
ah, you're right, that's true... But it's
not being straight that makes them bad,
and it's not being gay that makes them
bad. It's being horny in bad ways that
makes them... Bad!! Lol.
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jenn_smithson
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Re: to Sunshine Posted: 01-19-06 00:49am
nightangel73
wrote:
most of these girls who
abort children don't know
god.
first, according to the
.A.G.I, 56% of .Women in the .U.S who
obtain an abortion are in their 20's.
They aren't "girls" but are .Women.
Quote:
they were not
raised in a christian home, nor they
received a christian
education.
