I haven't figured out how to contract it
yet, just got the book today.
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icdfight
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Posted: 01-17-06 04:50am
Dear den71
if you got the book please let us know:
there is a real vip muscle?
Does it work?
How can you identify that muscle?
Please help alll of us!
Thanks.
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den71
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Posted: 01-17-06 15:16pm
I have the book but haven't found it yet.
Near tailbone. Others here have claimed
to have success with it but I am still not
there.
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icdfight
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Posted: 01-18-06 04:33am
Dear den71
we are all very anxious.
Please let us know some pormenors:
how to find the muscle, etc... So we also
can try.
Thanks
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Bluelq
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Vip Posted: 09-18-06 20:18pm
I am not alan ritz.. Lets clarify that
upfront, although my grammar is probably
on the same level.
A bit of an introduction is probably in
order. I have sex rarely (once every 3
months) as my situation
(marriage-separation) is not allowing for
much more. But the last encounter I came
across was not that pleasing. Not only
did I finish in under a minute but the
next erection, which took 4-5 minutes to
get there, was not nearly as strong. I
had sex next night and a few nights in a
row (was real happy). But the same was
happening, 2-4 minutes on first time and a
semi-erection thereafter with a max 10-15
minutes. Not exactly pe but close
enough. So I decided to get the book
after reading reviews. The pe was
probably the most important factor. I
had also tried a bit of tantra practicing
in the past, which had helped (breath is
important) but had not taken me to the
point I wanted to be. I have not taken
any of the supplements yet, but will be
doing so soon.
Now as for the vip...
I will point out that I tried it 3 times
in the past week. I only got results the
first time and slightly the 2nd but not
noticeable. The first it was intense,
not groundbreaking but different. I
practiced it by peeing without stopping
the pee, as opposed to the pc clench.
But I could not really find that the two
were that different, its just that the vip
was less of a pc clench. You will
recognize the difference from the penis
action, first make sure your abs are in
and also try the masturbation based on the
knees up version. When exercising in
flaccid mode the penis seems to pull in!!
I always felt a full pc clench tended to
extend out the penis. You can even feel
the pc muscle a bit. I tried as well to
find some diagram of that muscle group but
could not come up with anything.
Either way, first I noticed that even
though I was very close to climaxing it
would somehow fade, still there but
without the need to come. Maybe it
extended time by 10-15% max, here is where
it got funny. Prior to climaxing I
started feeling really orgasmic, like
sensations. Next thing I know while
climaxing a feeling coming from the base
of my spine was ohhh so awesome.. I mean
moaning while alone awesome.. :o I
have never experienced a prostate orgasm,
but this was not internal, it was from the
outside, and it was not from the anus...
I am sure of this guys, and would not be
taking all this effort to post if I didn't
think that there might be something to
this. I smoke way too much and my diet
lately has been awful so I haven't really
been trying, also note that the position
really made a difference on this. How
one can do it with a woman is beyond me
but I will start practicing more and let
you guys know how it goes. For the
record it did not produce multiple orgasms
or orgasms without ejaculating,, but none
the less it was different and intense..
Felt like a super flow of energy from the
base of the spine, it was very localized,
and breathtaking. The 2nd time I barely
felt it, the third nothing. Tried a few
times afterward but with no success. I
hope to figure this out even if its only
that feeling it was really strong enough
to warrant more into the subject. The
key I found is not to overdue the clench
its very subtle and quick. I also
noticed that massaging that area, avoiding
the anus, will still produce an erection.
Will try some more and let you know..
:roll:
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dr_kaydub
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Thanks Bluelq -- a Few More Specifics On the Vip Muscle? Posted: 10-01-06 17:12pm
Bluelq:
can you describe a little more
specifically please how and where to
locate the "vip muscle?"
and also, how ritz says to massage it, or
stretch it or otherwise work with it?
Thanks,
dr. Kaydub
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Bluelq
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Sure Posted: 10-05-06 15:34pm
The muscle is located right between the
anus and the tail bone. Ritz claims
that it also between anus and pc muscle
and that part of the pc muscle is actually
the vip. To locate it I used his
technique, sit on the floor on your knees,
and place your but cheeks on each foot.
Then place your hand to locate it while
trying to contract it. It is a very
light feeling but it is there. I have
been doing some practice sessions and
although I never got that feeling again, I
do get a stronger orgasm, and a general
feeling of higher climaxing much prior to
actual climax. So at this point I have
concluded that indeed it is there and
indeed it does something. Altough by no
means a master. I must say I did not
get that feeling from pc muscle tryouts.
This actually gives you a inner feeling of
pleasure it is very slight still but
there. I smoke heavily and my diet is
awfull so once I go on a healty regiment I
expect much stronger results. Hopefully
this year. Keep in mind that the actual
pulling or flexing of that muscle is like
a light pc muscle flex, but very light and
of a quick duration. I also noticed
that I flex my pc muscle when I get
nervous, on the street and so on. This
might actually give ritz some credibility
that indeed it engages the sympathetic
nervous system. Will let you know..
Had to edit this in. He sais to contract
it while mastrubating, one for each hand
movement. There might also be something
to this. I even felt something just by
contracting, semi erection etc..
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Bluelq
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Ok I Took the Research Seriously.. Posted: 10-05-06 16:18pm
I wondered if there is a muscle group
there.. Indeed there is a group called
levator ani.. Some sub muscles actually
aid in erection. This is a extensive
illistration but if there is a doctor in
the house please comment on how deep they
run or they very near the skin. Either
way the vip or some muscle there does
exist.. You alan ritz..
Yes, How May I Assist You? Posted: 10-30-06 09:55am
No, I am joking. Why do I only have to
turn my back and a competitor of mine
immediately starts posting nonsensical
things about my book on this site? Maybe
because they have nothing better to do.
Anyway, levator ani is not the correct
anatomical name of the small group of
muscles that I collectively named in my
book. The reason is that levator ani
deals exclusively with the anus while it
has nothing to do with my method for
multiple orgasms.
Please, read carefully the book. I
stated it very clearly that you cannot and
should not use that muscle before you have
eliminated all deficiencies of key
biochemical substances in your body!
This includes acetylcholine, serotonin and
dopamine. If you have premature
ejaculation then you must follow the
advice and override the overproduction and
effect of adrenalin in your body.
Otherwise, no exercises will help you out.
Please, avoid posting copyrighted content
from my book online as well as lies. I
studied and worked long and hard to
provide this crucial research in a book
format. Moreover, 4 pills viagra cost
$50 and will help you to have 4 erections.
My book is times cheaper and solves such
problems completely and permanently. I
think that it is fair enough.
Http://www.Amazon.
Com/scientifically-guaranteed-multiple-org
asms-ultimate/dp/159800168x
have a nice day.
A. Ritz
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mycle3
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Vip Muscle Posted: 03-14-07 16:01pm
Check out this site for more info on the
muscle of the genital area.
Why do I only have to turn
my back and a competitor of mine
immediately starts posting nonsensical
things about my book on this site? Maybe
because they have nothing better to
do.
No. I doubt it. It is far more likely,
in my
opinion, that it is a reaction to a
need. If I am typical of an average
reader, the reason is because many of
those who have bought the book feel very
let down and are desperate for a better
written explanation of the system. The
book promises so much but, for me at
least, dramatically fails to deliver.
I have owned the book for very nearly
12 months now.
I have a college degree and an IQ of
over 140.
After High School I studied
Chemistry, Biology and Maths.
I have read the book at least four times.
I have made Mind Maps from it. It has
highlighter pen and notes all over it. I
have bought GABA and 5-HTP. I take three
teaspoons of lecithin a day as well as a
great multi-vitamin and whey protein
powder formula. I drink a lot of water, am
aerobically fit and go to the gym four or
five times each week.
Despite all of that - I am still unable to
make the system work despite having tried
to learn it several times.
Assuming that Mr Ritz is correct in his
belief that focused contraction of the
'VIP Muscle' results in stimulation of the
local parasympatheic nerves and prevents
ejaculation, and also assuming that the
loading of the body with appropriate
amounts of choline, vitamins/minerals and
neurotransmitter precursors allows for
sustained strong erections - I can only
assume that I have failed to understand
which substances I should be consuming and
how to perform the exercises correctly.
I have to say that I have found Mr
Ritz’s writing style extremely difficult
to understand. I think that it needs to be
completely re-written in a clear and easy
to understand form. Whether this is done
by Mr Ritz working with a professional
‘ghost writer’ or by some other
individual who is able to explain the
system well, I don't really care. I would
very happily pay anyone $50+ for a book
that is able to teach me the knowledge and
technique that are promised on the back
cover of Mr Ritz's book.
Mr Ritz must have made a lot of money from
the sale of his book. I would be very
grateful if he would use some of it to
employ a professional writer to help him
produce the Second Edition of his volume.
I would certainly buy it.
PS This forum seems to be converting a lot
of letters from the upper case versions
that I have typed to their lower case
equivalents. I have tried to correct it
but without success. Please be assured
that where an errant lower case letter
appears, I typed the upper case version!
Last edited by Matt_Jeffers on 06-01-07 12:13pm; edited 2 times in total
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Tylanas
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Posted: 06-01-07 11:18am
Hmn, yes... Well, all I'll say is on the
subject of letters and their cases.
This forum has coding that tries to
prevent people from typing in all capital
letters, the equivalent of "yelling"
online. Unfortunately, this makes it very
frustrating to have words in a sentence
that are supposed to be capitalized. it
also has the habit of decapitalizing
letters at the beginning of a paragraph.
The coding will also capitalize any letter
after sentence-ending punctuation marks.
Normally the letter "i" will be correctly
capitalized as the singular pronoun, but
not always.
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Matt_Jeffers
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Posted: 06-01-07 11:34am
[quote="Eiri"]Hmn, yes... Well, all I'll
say is on the subject of letters and their
cases.[quote]
Thanks Eiri - I thought I was going mad! I
could see my capital letters in the edit
window but they went missing after I
clicked Submit!
Anyway ... I've just been to the site that
is linked in the post before Alan Ritz's
and looked at their diagrams.
There are no pictures in Mr Ritz's book
... maybe he needs some because I am now
even more confused.
If Mr Ritz reads this I would really like
to know this:
I know that, according to Mr Ritz, I
shouldn't be contracting the PC muscle.
Whether the other guy is correct in
identifying the bulbocavernosus as the one
that we are really contracting when we
think we are contracting the PC or not, I
don't know and it's not really important
if you are following Mr Ritz's technique.
My question is - is the 'VIP Muscle' the
iliococcygeus or the muscle that actually
attaches to the coccyx and passes around
the anal sphincter?
Maybe this is where I have been going
wrong all this time!
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HealthySex
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Joined: 09 Jan 2007 Posts: 414
Posted: 06-01-07 15:49pm
What I garnered from the book (and I agree
it's poorly written, and poorly delivers.
The main topic of the book is skimmed
over, while the majority is filled with
other stuff) is that the VIP is the muscle
above the anus and on or below your tail
bone.
Trail your finger down your spine until
you're at the very bottom of any bone,
that's your tail bone. Now the muscle
between that and your anus is what I
believe to be the reported, VIP muscle.
What muscle is it technically? I don't
know.
I haven't really worked it other than when
I first read the book, but I would say
that it definitely heightens sensations.
The difficulty is contracting it without
contracting other muscles. Usually when
you have exercised muscles, you gain
better control, so if you kept working at
it maybe you could contract it alone. The
best way I found to isolate it was to lay
on your side and knees pulled in to about
90's with your torso. Then try to exercise
only the muscle between your anus and
tailbone.
To get a feel of how it effects orgasms
you can lie on your back knees up and feet
flat on the surface you're lying on. Then
masturbate slowly. The book says to
contract it each stroke. I found this
rather difficult to do without contracting
others. So what I did was isolate it,
contract it and hold it, then masturbate.
While I did so great orgasmic feelings
built without too much direction towards
ejaculation. However, it'd eventually
build to ejaculation.
Why I stopped, I don't know. I should get
back to it, because it was good.
Perhaps exercising the muscle any old time
during the day will help build it faster
and allow you to better isolate it.
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Matt_Jeffers
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Posted: 06-05-07 03:40am
Thanks 'HealthySex', that is useful. I had
also experienced the problem of
synchronizing strokes with contractions
and wasn't able to get beyond that - your
tip has helped at lot. I discovered the
knees at 90° position too while lying in
bed one night - and agree that, in my case
at least, it's better than the one
described in the book.
I was rather hoping that Alan Ritz would
respond to all of this (assuming it really
was him who moaned about the others who
were trying to bring clarity to his work).
I would dearly like him to refine the
teaching of this technique as it promises
so much. As is evidenced by this thread,
if Ritz doesn't improve it soon, someone
else will and earn the money that Ritz
could have made.
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Elysiumfire
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Regarding the Vip Muscle When Pertaining to Sexual Activity. Posted: 10-15-07 21:22pm
VIP is an acronym for 'vasoactive
intestinal peptide' and is thought to be
the primary relaxant transmitter in
gastric muscle and tenia coli. It has a
half-life in the blood of about two
minutes. Now, I don't know about you guys,
but with these statements I am picking up
some quite intuitive clues...
The VIP muscle is not (I feel) a real
muscle, but a site where the 'vip' peptide
is released at climax to relax penile
muscle and induce flaccidity...I would
suggest that the number of 'variables'
involved during sexual activity are
mechanisms that 'switch on' and 'switch
off' chemical inducements around the
genital area...it is simply a system of
excitations and inhibitions.
Perhaps, it is probable that the 'vip'
peptide (and possibly other chemicals) is
what is involved in creating the intense
pleasurable feelings during climax at
which point the muscles around the
genitalia are in full contraction...and
thence they go into relaxation under the
peptide influence.
The reason for this is a natural
biological throwback to primeval
times...for if the organism remained too
long in the throes of climax, they would
be vulnerable to predators and other
competitors for the female? (hence the
peptides half-life of only two minutes).
Any stimulation of the site of the
so-called VIP Muscle, would probably
encourage both the production and the
release of the 'vip' peptide, and judging
from some of the comments on this thread,
this would plausibly be the case.
Other factors involved would be one's
level of health, particularly in the
intake of oxygen, and also, on the
proficiency of one's electrolytes which
are fired during climax.
Will look more deeper into this for a
greater depth of understanding...what I
have provided here is quite basic, but
probably on the right track.
