Chiropractor Or Massage Therapist Posted: 01-12-06 04:44am
Hi all, I have an important
situation/question that I am looking for a
bit of insight on. It is not for me but
for my girlfriend. Me and her parents
both have different opinions on the
matter. I am biased towards massage
therapy because my mom is a therapist, and
her parents are biased towards
chiropractors.
Now I will tell you what is wrong with my
girlfriend before you tell me what her
best choice would be. First off she has
degenerative disk disease, and she is 21
years old by the way. This last memorial
day she was climbing a tree at my
grandparents and fell 30 ft. Out of it
and cracked a vertabrae in her back, t7 to
be exact. She also got a concussion from
the fall. She healed up as best as
possible having already had back problems.
Recently she started getting dizzy
spells when she turns her head...Up, down,
left, or right. Not everytime, but it
happens quite a bit. She has been to the
chiropractor within the last week and had
some sort of muscle inflamation test thing
that he did with his computer. It showed
that her shoulder and neck area were
"inflamed" and her lower back, which I
believe is due to the ddd. My mother has
offered to work on her twice a week, 1 day
doing massage work and 1 day doing
(spelling) cranial sacral. Knowing all
this...What would you recommend?
Massage, or chiropractic work?
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Tamadrummer
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Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 01-12-06 16:40pm
Take her to and orthopedic surgeon and
allow them to take some pics of her back
and see if she is operative or in need of
medicines and pt.
There is no way on earth I would allow
some chiro touch my back if it had not
been fixed by someone that went to school
in a real university and interned in the
field of specialty that was needed to fix
me.
Massage or chiro can do serious harm if
the vertabrae is still fractured. She is
likly in need of kyphoplasty and possibly
other serious surgery. She doesnt need to
fooled around with by people that learned
what they know in very limeted amounts and
in a practice that has little to no
recognition for fixing problems.
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brettesman
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Joined: 12 Jan 2006 Posts: 3
Posted: 01-12-06 16:43pm
Well I guess I forgot to mention that she
did go to the hospital...The ambulance
came and all that. She saw a doctor and
basically healed on her own. They sent
her home the next day with pain meds and
that was basically it. But they said
that it would heal on its own.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 01-12-06 19:40pm
I would still get her to a real spine
doctor if she still has pain from that
accident because she is obviously not
healing correctly.
The doc may prescribe massage therapy as
well as pt and meds but just treating her
without seeing inside, just seems too
risky.
Check out,
www.Spineuniverse.Com
to find a reputable ortho/neuro surgeon in
your area. She is too young to risk more
injury.
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ADenverDC
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Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 4
Posted: 01-19-06 14:28pm
As a dc I would agree that she needs to
have xrays taken, not the surface emg. A
chiropractor can help as long as the bones
are not broken, but this needs to be
addressed before she is treated.
As most people are aware medicine is good
for catastrophic cases, ie broken bones,
etc., and when the time comes for surgery
then obviously medicine is the best thing
going, particularly in the west. With
that said I take alot of offense at this
other poster that said that we have no
evidence for fixing anything. Either you
are completely uneducated and have not
read any research in spine or by the
united states agency for health care
policy and research, or you are just
another bigoted self-righteous drug
pusher.
Which is it? Your degree does not
intimidate me or the public. Have some
respect. The majority of md's do not
know anything about musculoskeletal
injuries, if you want the proof I would be
happy to post it.
Good luck to your girlfriend. Find a
good chiropractor, and dont listen to
people who have only bad things to say
about something that they do not know
anything about.
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style44
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Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 21
Posted: 02-01-06 18:09pm
Well said adenverdc! I total believe in
both massage therapsit and chiropractors.
If you find a good chiropractor or massage
therapist, they will be able to tell if
they can help her. This is alternative
medicine board is it not?
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gimbeliyah
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Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 24
Did You Ever Consider Magnets And Supplements Posted: 02-09-06 21:21pm
Magnetic and infared technology is a great
alternative and non evasive inexpensive
road to recovery. Millions have seen very
profound effects with this technology and
science backs it up. The body is made up
of magnetic energy and where the magnetism
is not alligned or balanced there in lies
the pain. While the magnetic technolgy
balances the body giving the body its
natural ability to heal itself and the
infrared technolgy works on a cellular
level to work out the root of the chronic
inflammation and pain. Please pm me as I
would love to help your situation. I have
been using magnetic and infrared tech on
myself for a year now and have seen great
results.
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 02-09-06 21:26pm
If magnets are good for healing, then why
are mri machines not used for treatment?
They are about the most powerful magnets
that the human body is exposed to.
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gimbeliyah
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Joined: 10 Nov 2005 Posts: 24
Mri Posted: 02-09-06 22:10pm
Mri's are used to detect the magnetic
alignment in the body ..It essentially is
taking a picture of the magnetism on one's
body where the pain is located. The
success of magnets on the body was
originally conceived through mri's. The
one reason this is not publicized is
because 98% of the world lives in the
sickcare industry and only cure sickness
and illness rather than prevent it. Why
would the healthcare industry chop of
their profits by explaining to the world
that the best method of healing is through
prevention and alternative medicine and
therapy...They wouldn't . 3 answers
money money and money.
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Tamadrummer
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Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 02-09-06 22:20pm
I bet you have nothing to do with nikken
do you?
I would absolutly love to see substaniated
evidence that even 2% of medical science
believes that mri can be used to cure.
Establisted, reputable medical research.
Not a link back to the nikken website and
a nikken miracle story.
I have hadd no less then 15 mri's and not
one has made my bad back feel better. I
can no longer go in an mri because I have
a cobalt chrome artificial disc in my back
but if there is a cure in mri's I missed
it.
Maybe I have to believe in it for it to
work?
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gimbeliyah
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Placebo Effect Posted: 02-09-06 22:36pm
Maybe so? Tell that to the repaired
tendons in my hand !!!!!
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Re: Placebo Effect Posted: 02-10-06 23:39pm
gimbeliyah
wrote:
maybe so? Tell that to the
repaired tendons in my hand
!!!!!
maybe you had a healing but can you
substantiate the healing of these tendons
with magnets?
Again, I have had so many mri's for my
back and right knee that if magnets were
useful for anything other than sticking
stuff to the fridge and making power,
there would be a better market for them
other than pyramid scheme franchise
business for the stuff.
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Hristos
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Joined: 18 Jan 2007 Posts: 10
Posted: 01-19-07 15:44pm
tamadrummer
wrote:
take her to and orthopedic
surgeon and allow them to take some pics
of her back and see if she is operative or
in need of medicines and pt.
There is no way on earth I would allow
some chiro touch my back if it had not
been fixed by someone that went to school
in a real university and interned in the
field of specialty that was needed to fix
me.
Massage or chiro can do serious harm if
the vertabrae is still fractured. She is
likly in need of kyphoplasty and possibly
other serious surgery. She doesnt need
to fooled around with by people that
learned what they know in very limeted
amounts and in a practice that has little
to no recognition for fixing
problems.
hello everyone,
i happened to stumble upon this forum
while doing some research and I was
offended at the comment that was made
about chiropractic physicians (dcs,
doctors of chiropractic) not having
adequate schooling or not being able to
treat or manage a patient with a fractured
vertebra at l5. I am currently a fourth
year chiropractic intern at an accredited
university and assure you that I have been
through rigorous schooling to be able to
get into chiropractic school and
especially while in chiropractic school.
I started my schooling in 1997 and
graduated from uconn with a b.S. In
biology; I then continued my schooling
with pre-medical (or) pre-chiropractic
requirements to even be able to apply for
school. I will be graduating in december
of 2007 and that would make it 10 years of
schooling since I entered. I am not done
though because if I pursue a specialty I
will be in school for another 2 ½ to 3
years depending on that specialty. So
let me assure you that dcs are qualified
if not overqualified to handle
neuromusculoskeletal problems more so then
regular primary care mds (more info at the
end).
The fracture was diagnosed at a hospital
and then the patient was merely tossed
aside and was told that this fracture will
heal on itself. While it is true that
the body has its own capabilities to heal
itself, there should be some intervention
of treatment while this is going on and
the patient is in pain. Taking pain
killers everyday is not a way to live and
it also has consequences attached to it.
Some of these pain killers are habit
forming and who wants to be addicted to
pain killers anyways. These nsaids (non
steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) are
also bad for your stomach as it has been
clearly shown in multiple clinical trials
that they cause gastritis or ulcers
altogether. This is not to say that
nsaids might be warranted sometimes but
that should not be the only way to treat
someone.
That is where chiropractors come into the
picture and we treat or co-treat
neuromusculoskeletal ailments by natural
means that don’t cause any side effects.
Talking in general terms and not
particularly about the above case with the
fractured vertebra; we adjust the spine or
extremities, perform physiotherapies,
consult on lifestyle issues such as
stress, and give nutritional consults
about diet or general health.
Here is a description from the aca
(american chiropractic association)
website for those of you in the forums
that don’t know exactly what
chiropractors do.
What is chiropractic?
Chiropractic is a health care profession
that focuses on disorders of the
musculoskeletal system and the nervous
system, and the effects of these disorders
on general health. Chiropractic care is
used most often to treat
neuromusculoskeletal complaints, including
but not limited to back pain, neck pain,
pain in the joints of the arms or legs,
and headaches.
Doctors of chiropractic – often referred
to as chiropractors or chiropractic
physicians – practice a drug-free,
hands-on approach to health care that
includes patient examination, diagnosis
and treatment. Chiropractors have broad
diagnostic skills and are also trained to
recommend therapeutic and rehabilitative
exercises, as well as to provide
nutritional, dietary and lifestyle
counseling.
The most common therapeutic procedure
performed by doctors of chiropractic is
known as “spinal manipulation,” also
called “chiropractic adjustment.”
the purpose of manipulation is to restore
joint mobility by manually applying a
controlled force into joints that have
become hypomobile – or restricted in
their movement – as a result of a tissue
injury. Tissue injury can be caused by a
single traumatic event, such as improper
lifting of a heavy object, or through
repetitive stresses, such as sitting in an
awkward position with poor spinal posture
for an extended period of time. In either
case, injured tissues undergo physical and
chemical changes that can cause
inflammation, pain, and diminished
function for the sufferer. Manipulation,
or adjustment of the affected joint and
tissues, restores mobility, thereby
alleviating pain and muscle tightness, and
allowing tissues to heal.
Chiropractic adjustment rarely causes
discomfort. However, patients may
sometimes experience mild soreness or
aching following treatment (as with some
forms of exercise) that usually resolves
within 12 to 48 hours.
In many cases, such as lower back pain,
chiropractic care may be the primary
method of treatment. When other medical
conditions exist, chiropractic care may
complement or support medical treatment by
relieving the musculoskeletal aspects
associated with the condition.
Doctors of chiropractic may assess
patients through clinical examination,
laboratory testing, diagnostic imaging and
other diagnostic interventions to
determine when chiropractic treatment is
appropriate or when it is not appropriate.
Chiropractors will readily refer
patients to the appropriate health care
provider when chiropractic care is not
suitable for the patient’s condition, or
the condition warrants co-management in
conjunction with other members of the
health care team.
Lastly, I would like to post a comparison
of the average curriculum of a
chiropractic school (www.Cce-usa.Org, www.Cceintl.Org )
versus an average curriculum of medical
school as published by the ama (american
medical association) in 2000, in the first
2 years of schooling in basic sciences and
pre-clinical studies. For more true and
valid information in general go to the aca
website at www.Amerchiro.Org
so the lesson for the day for everyone
including myself is to keep an open mind
about all the health care options that are
out there and to go to the doctor that you
think is best! If the problem is outside
their scope of practice or they need to
co-manage with some other profession, then
a referral is on order.
