It makes sense to me to have the choice of
abortion. It makes sense to keep it
legal. Just think of what women would do
if abortion was not legal...It would be a
scary sight.
Everyone makes their own choices in life.
Some of those choices are mistakes and we
regret them with guilt and pain. It is
important to remember that the person who
makes those choices also has to live with
them. No woman goes to bed and thinks "i
would like to have an abortion one day".
Abortion is a choice that woman do not
like to make... A lot of pro lifers seem
to think that pro choicers like abortion
or that they try to glorify it. Abortion
is not nice and it isn't enjoyable to
anyone...But it happens.
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Carifairy
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True... I was on birth control, and would
rather have my pill work and me not get
pregnant in the first place.
I think we need better birth control and
condom use education for teens.
I think we also need more health centers
that cater to the needs of our young teen
population.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-15-06 19:26pm
I definately agree, and recent political
suggestions of making birth-control
education illegal in high schools really
frightens me. Education is key.
The current forms of birth control also
need to advance. Condoms are hopefully
becoming more dependable, and as we've all
seen in the last few years, there are
better and better ways to control the
women's cycle. Hopefully, in the next few
years an even better, more dependable (and
fool-proof) pill will come out. The
current one is 98% effective... When
taken perfectly. Unfortunately, none of
us is perfect.
So that's what i'm looking forward to!
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sunshine424
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Posted: 01-15-06 22:07pm
eiri
wrote:
i definately agree, and
recent political suggestions of making
birth-control education illegal in high
schools really frightens me. Education
is key.
The current forms of birth control also
need to advance. Condoms are hopefully
becoming more dependable, and as we've all
seen in the last few years, there are
better and better ways to control the
women's cycle. Hopefully, in the next
few years an even better, more dependable
(and fool-proof) pill will come out. The
current one is 98% effective... When
taken perfectly. Unfortunately, none of
us is perfect.
So that's what i'm looking forward
to!
not sure where you got 98% effective from.
More like over 99%. It's very rare to
become pregnant on the pill. More rare
then you pro-choice bomb throwers make it
out to be. Try again.
it makes sense to me to have
the choice of abortion. It makes sense
to keep it legal. Just think of what
women would do if abortion was not
legal...It would be a scary sight.
Everyone makes their own choices in life.
Some of those choices are mistakes and
we regret them with guilt and pain. It
is important to remember that the person
who makes those choices also has to live
with them. No woman goes to bed and
thinks "i would like to have an abortion
one day". Abortion is a choice that
woman do not like to make... A lot of
pro lifers seem to think that pro choicers
like abortion or that they try to glorify
it. Abortion is not nice and it isn't
enjoyable to anyone...But it
happens.
so glad it all makes sense to you. Too
bad your edit in your thoughts! I will
tell you what woman would do. Stupid
woman would probably still abort, only
illegally and therefore, more dangerously.
But guess what? That is not my
problem, nor my stupid decision. To go
and botch up your baby and you body with
an illegal abortion is complete stupidity
and that woman has got coming whatever
comes to her. You sound like one of
those nuts that blames society for
everyone else. Your a classic crying
example of blaming something else for
individual actions. If a woman aborts
illegally, it's her own stupid fault, not
the judicial systems for making it
illegal. I'm sorry I had to explain the
obvious to you. Are we done now?
And if a woman doesn't like to choose
abortion, she shouldn't. But as us
pro-life all know, the needs and wants of
herself outweight the life of her precious
child. Why you ask? Because some woman
are worthless, selfish low-lifes.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 01-15-06 22:13pm
carifairy
wrote:
true... I was on birth
control, and would rather have my pill
work and me not get pregnant in the first
place.
I think we need better birth control and
condom use education for teens.
I think we also need more health centers
that cater to the needs of our young teen
population.
boohoo. I would have rather you have
taken responsibility for your actions and
not have killed your son or daughter.
I think we need smarter woman that are
more concerned about others than with
themselves. I think we need a legal
system that punishes people who kill their
children. Guess we all want huh? :roll:
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-15-06 22:26pm
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
i definately agree, and
recent political suggestions of making
birth-control education illegal in high
schools really frightens me. Education
is key.
The current forms of birth control also
need to advance. Condoms are hopefully
becoming more dependable, and as we've all
seen in the last few years, there are
better and better ways to control the
women's cycle. Hopefully, in the next
few years an even better, more dependable
(and fool-proof) pill will come out.
The current one is 98% effective...
When taken perfectly. Unfortunately,
none of us is perfect.
So that's what i'm looking forward
to!
not sure where you got 98% effective from.
More like over 99%. It's very rare to
become pregnant on the pill. More rare
then you pro-choice bomb throwers make it
out to be. Try
again.
well, i've seen anywhere from 95% to 99%
effectiveness for the pill, so i'm only
going off what i've seen. I do have a
question though... My pills say that I am
protected during the sugar-pill week. I
assume this is because the pill has
prevented any ovulation from taking place,
so that even if you have sperm inside of
your vagina, because it is the week your
period is due to start, you shouldn't get
pregnant. But I know of women who, not on
the pill, have become pregnant one day
before their period's due date. So my
question is, what are the chances after
your period is over? I start sugar pills
on mondays, and I don't have my period
until wednesday. I never have unprotected
sex before my period even though i'm on
the pill because the risk is just not
worth it to me. However, after a woman's
period, the uterus is bare... There is no
lining at all. So, even if an egg somehow
ovulated in that little amount of time
(which it isn't supposed to, not until day
10 I thought) then there isn't any lining
for it to implant on, so even if you
weren't taking the pill and had sex the
two to three days after your period, your
chances of pregnancy would be very low.
And I am on the pill... And i've
already done this once, and my period came
the next month just like it always does...
I guess my point is that, even at 21 years
of age, and a pill user for more than 6
months, I still don't know for sure when I
am safe and not safe. People, including
me, need to be more educated on this. -_-
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Cambion
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Posted: 01-16-06 00:06am
Abortion damn well needs to be kept legal.
I see far too many news articles about
women neglecting, abusing, and murdering
their children. These women usually have
more than one child and are not exactly
upper-class...So they probably couldn't
afford an abortion (from what I know, they
are not cheap).
Making abortion illegal would mean in
increase in child abuse from women who
could not legally end their pregnancies
and could or would not put the child up
for adoption for any number of reasons.
I'll admit straight-out that I hate kids,
but it's not the fault of the child for
being conceived and born. I hate kids,
but I also hate seeing them being hurt and
killed by the people who are supposed to
be showing them unconditional love and
taking care of them.
Quote:
well, i've seen
anywhere from 95% to 99% effectiveness for
the pill, so i'm only going off what i've
seen.
i have read this as well, but as we all
know, each woman's body is different,
especially when it comes to her
reproductive health. Some women can take
the pill faithfully and not screw up with
it once, and they will still get pregnant.
I believe the statistic is that 1 in 100
women will conceive while correctly using
the pill.
Sadly, too many women depend solely on
birth control as their main and only
contraception, and when it fails, they
wonder what went wrong. People put too
much faith in contraception anymore,
thinking its foolproof.
Abortion is not pleasant experiene for
anyone - no woman (that I know of anyway)
would go get pregnant on purpose just to
have an abortion. But when birth control
fails or the woman is not ready for
parenthood, abortion is an open window for
that woman. I have never seen fairness in
making a woman keep a child against her
will. It's more responsible [in my
opinion] for a woman to abort an unwanted
pregnancy than to keep a child she doesn't
want and possibly subject an innocent
child to abuse.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 01-16-06 03:07am
cambion
wrote:
abortion damn well needs to
be kept legal. I see far too many news
articles about women neglecting, abusing,
and not a nice acting their children.
These women usually have more than one
child and are not exactly upper-class...So
they probably couldn't afford an abortion
(from what I know, they are not cheap).
Making abortion illegal would mean in
increase in child abuse from women who
could not legally end their pregnancies
and could or would not put the child up
for adoption for any number of reasons.
I'll admit straight-out that I hate kids,
but it's not the fault of the child for
being conceived and born. I hate kids,
but I also hate seeing them being hurt and
killed by the people who are supposed to
be showing them unconditional love and
taking care of them.
can you prove this?.Can you prove that the
abusers wanted to have an abortion.?I
think this is just bs children are being
abused daily and abortion is legal. In
fact here you go an a passage from the
future of children.
Quote:
the child
protective services (cps) system,
initiated in the 1960s and 1970s to
receive and investigate reports of child
abuse and neglect, has grown rapidly. In
1967, fewer than 10,000 reports of abuse
and neglect were made to child protective
services, but by the mid-1990s, more than
3 million reports were being made each
year. This article examines how reports,
investigations, and services are currently
handled in cps, and then reviews several
proposals for reforming the system.
this seems to prove that since abortion
was legalized child abuse has risen not
dropped.
pretty much an unbiased site neither pro
choice nor pro life just pro child [living
]
please decapitalize.
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Cambion
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Posted: 01-16-06 09:28am
"seems" is the key word in your closing
statement, cowboys. Nowhere in that
excerpt did it say anything about
abortion. Perhaps the abusers did not
want an abortion, but they also obviously
didn't want the pregnancy.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 01-16-06 10:31am
cambion
wrote:
"seems" is the key word in
your closing statement, cowboys. Nowhere
in that excerpt did it say anything about
abortion. Perhaps the abusers did not
want an abortion, but they also obviously
didn't want the
pregnancy.
please check the date,the figures are from
before it was legalized, yet now there are
more children abused.Do you have proof
that every one who abuses a child wanted
an abortion or prove that abuse would
rise, I have proven that since abortion
was legal ie: 1969 child qabuse has risen
whereas you claim that to make it illegal
will result in more abused children yet
the figures disprove what you said.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 01-16-06 14:26pm
Nowadays you cannot spank your kids in
public without getting in trouble and
being labeled a child abuser, along with
spanking them at home. Their are far too
many kids telling there parents what to
do!
Sex ed is taught in the schools and
condoms and b/c are free for those that
ask but most of the young girls say that
getting pregnant will not happen to them,
just like some of the older women and
poof, they fall preg.
Their should always be a choice instead of
having to self-abort and risking all of
the after problems or going to the
back-alley butcher. A friend of mine in
the 60's needed an abortion and the dr's.
Would not touch her because it being
illegal and of all the red tape and it
killed her, like it did many others, that
is why it should remain a choice, that and
many other reasons. No one has a right
to tell someone what to do with their
bodies.
Her body, her choice, whether it be
continuing on with the pregnancy, aadopt
or abort.
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Cambion
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Posted: 01-16-06 16:47pm
Okay, i'll bend with my previous statement
somewhat - perhaps not all women who abuse
their children wanted an abortion, but
they surely didn't want the child (at
least, not for the right reasons).
I'll admit I don't know the definite
reason why child abuse is on the rise (i
guess parenthood is getting screwed up
along with the rest of the world), but I
reiterate - if a woman gets pregnant and
doesn't want the child and doesn't want to
give birth, she would have the option of
abortion. If that option is made illegal,
we'll be seeing foster homes packed even
tighter with unwanted kids as well as more
cases of women taking out their
frustrations on their children because the
kids are unwanted.
If abortion is made illegal, there should
be a law put into action that requires
people to be sterilized after having a
certain number of children. We need to do
something to keep the population under
control. China adopted a wise policy of
forced abortions if a woman conceives
after already having a child. We would
benefit from such a law here, but since
america has "morals", and america is too
good to control the population to keep it
from raping the earth's disappearing
resources, I don't see it happening in my
lifetime.
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only my opinion, but I stand by it.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-16-06 17:16pm
cowboys
wrote:
cambion
wrote:
"seems" is the key word in
your closing statement, cowboys.
Nowhere in that excerpt did it say
anything about abortion. Perhaps the
abusers did not want an abortion, but they
also obviously didn't want the
pregnancy.
please check the date,the figures are from
before it was legalized, yet now there are
more children abused.Do you have proof
that every one who abuses a child wanted
an abortion or prove that abuse would
rise, I have proven that since abortion
was legal ie: 1969 child qabuse has risen
whereas you claim that to make it illegal
will result in more abused children yet
the figures disprove what you
said.
did it ever occour to you that perhaps
these days (sine abortion has been
legalized, and along with strong actions
on the feminist movement) that more cases
of child abuse are being reported, thus making the
rate appear to go up, when in actuality
just as many abuses were happening before
but no one was saying anything about it?
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-16-06 17:23pm
cambion
wrote:
okay, i'll bend with my
previous statement somewhat - perhaps not
all women who abuse their children wanted
an abortion, but they surely didn't want
the child (at least, not for the right
reasons).
I'll admit I don't know the definite
reason why child abuse is on the rise (i
guess parenthood is getting screwed up
along with the rest of the world), but I
reiterate - if a woman gets pregnant and
doesn't want the child and doesn't want to
give birth, she would have the option of
abortion. If that option is made
illegal, we'll be seeing foster homes
packed even tighter with unwanted kids as
well as more cases of women taking out
their frustrations on their children
because the kids are unwanted.
If abortion is made illegal, there should
be a law put into action that requires
people to be sterilized after having a
certain number of children. We need to
do something to keep the population under
control. China adopted a wise policy of
forced abortions if a woman conceives
after already having a child. We would
benefit from such a law here, but since
america has "morals", and america is too
good to control the population to keep it
from raping the earth's disappearing
resources, I don't see it happening in my
lifetime.
-----------------------------------
only my opinion, but I stand by
it.
well yes, but the forced abortions in
china are rather cruel, and they don't
care how far along the mother is in her
pregnancy, even if she's just a few weeks
away from giving birth!!
I don't know about mandatory sterilization
either, but I do think that tubal
litigations should be easier for young
women to get. Hospitals don't like doing
them to young women who have never given
bitrth because they think the woman will
change her mind later and then be pissed.
Well, then she can go adopt, is my
opinion. She wanted it in the first
place, so she needs to either have the
reversal surgery (which doesn't always
work) or adopt.
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Cambion
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Posted: 01-16-06 20:16pm
Quote:
i don't know
about mandatory sterilization either, but
I do think that tubal litigations should
be easier for young women to get.
Hospitals don't like doing them to young
women who have never given bitrth because
they think the woman will change her mind
later and then be pissed. Well, then she
can go adopt, is my opinion. She wanted
it in the first place, so she needs to
either have the reversal surgery (which
doesn't always work) or
adopt.
this angers me off to no end that most
doctors refuse to perform tubal ligations
on women who have not given birth and/or
are very young. A woman doesn't know her
own body well enough to decide that she
doesn't want children? It's amazing how a
young woman who says she wants kids knows
what she wants, but a young woman who
wants to be sterilized is being stupid.
Yeah, reversals are expensive, but if the
woman wants a biological child badly
enough, she'll go that length. I agree
with you, eiri - a woman can adopt if she
feels a child is the missing piece in her
life. We need to work on finding homes
for the kids who are already here instead
of bringing more into existence.
Quote:
did it ever
occour to you that perhaps these days
(sine abortion has been legalized, and
along with strong actions on the feminist
movement) that more cases of child abuse
are being reported, thus making the rate
appear to go up, when in actuality just as
many abuses were happening before but no
one was saying anything about
it?
that never even crossed my mind. I keep
forgetting - everything these days is
about the children. If someone shoots an
adult and another person shoots a child on
the same day, guess what headline gets
more attention? The one with the child,
of course. Child abuse is most likely
happening just as much as it was 20 years
ago, but more people are reporting it. I
mean, hell...If spanking is looked at as
being child abuse, more cases of genuine
abuse are being reported.
Quote:
no, there
shouldn't. A woman's reproductive system
is not yours or the governments. How many
children a woman has is her business and
hers only.
okay, i'll be gentler - how about a law
that says a family can only have a certain
number of children (example: 2 kids per
family), and the family will be taxed for
having more than 2 children. Besides
having to pay for all the children need,
the parents will have to pay a certain
amount of money to the government. The
tax wouldn't be the same dollar amount for
each family...It would be a percentage out
of total family income per additional
child, just so there wouldn't be
low-income families with a litter being
forced to fork over so much money that
they starve and live in poverty.
That would probably discourage the serial
breeding to some extent.
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Posted: 01-16-06 20:49pm
America is very far from becoming over
populated like china. America has been
for a long time a country of low mortality
rate and low natality rate.
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Posted: 01-16-06 21:02pm
eiri
wrote:
I start sugar pills on
mondays, and I don't have my period until
wednesday. I never have unprotected sex
before my period even though i'm on the
pill because the risk is just not worth it
to me.
so you use condoms during the sugar pill
week? Reason why your period comes until
wednesday is because when you take your
last cycle pill then the hormones in you
body drop down (since you are not taking
the pills) and this is what causes your
uterus to shed. It is totally safe to
have sex on the sugar pill week.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 01-16-06 21:13pm
cambion
wrote:
Quote:
i don't know
about mandatory sterilization either, but
I do think that tubal litigations should
be easier for young women to get.
Hospitals don't like doing them to young
women who have never given bitrth because
they think the woman will change her mind
later and then be pissed. Well, then she
can go adopt, is my opinion. She wanted
it in the first place, so she needs to
either have the reversal surgery (which
doesn't always work) or
adopt.
this angers me off to no end that most
doctors refuse to perform tubal ligations
on women who have not given birth and/or
are very young. A woman doesn't know her
own body well enough to decide that she
doesn't want children? It's amazing how
a young woman who says she wants kids
knows what she wants, but a young woman
who wants to be sterilized is being
stupid.
Yeah, reversals are expensive, but if the
woman wants a biological child badly
enough, she'll go that length. I agree
with you, eiri - a woman can adopt if she
feels a child is the missing piece in her
life. We need to work on finding homes
for the kids who are already here instead
of bringing more into existence.
Quote:
did it ever
occour to you that perhaps these days
(sine abortion has been legalized, and
along with strong actions on the feminist
movement) that more cases of child abuse
are being reported, thus making the rate
appear to go up, when in actuality just as
many abuses were happening before but no
one was saying anything about
it?
that never even crossed my mind. I keep
forgetting - everything these days is
about the children. If someone shoots an
adult and another person shoots a child on
the same day, guess what headline gets
more attention? The one with the child,
of course. Child abuse is most likely
happening just as much as it was 20 years
ago, but more people are reporting it. I
mean, hell...If spanking is looked at as
being child abuse, more cases of genuine
abuse are being reported.
Quote:
no, there
shouldn't. A woman's reproductive system
is not yours or the governments. How
many children a woman has is her business
and hers
only.
okay, i'll be gentler - how about a law
that says a family can only have a certain
number of children (example: 2 kids per
family), and the family will be taxed for
having more than 2 children. Besides
having to pay for all the children need,
the parents will have to pay a certain
amount of money to the government. The
tax wouldn't be the same dollar amount for
each family...It would be a percentage out
of total family income per additional
child, just so there wouldn't be
low-income families with a litter being
forced to fork over so much money that
they starve and live in poverty.
That would probably discourage the serial
breeding to some
extent.
cambion, you are like a breath of fresh
air! You do make some good points...
Although most american families seem to be
around 3 children, so maybe that's a
better limit, since america is far from
over populated at the moment?
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Posted: 01-16-06 21:23pm
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
I start sugar pills on
mondays, and I don't have my period until
wednesday. I never have unprotected
sex before my period even though i'm on
the pill because the risk is just not
worth it to me.
so you use condoms during the sugar pill
week? Reason why your period comes
until wednesday is because when you take
your last cycle pill then the hormones in
you body drop down (since you are not
taking the pills) and this is what causes
your uterus to shed. It is totally safe
to have sex on the sugar pill
week.
actually, we don't have sex at all, until
my period is over on saturday or sunday.
And then the sex is unprotected. He
insists on not having sex before my period
:) he's very sweet.
