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Pro-choice Views Posted: 01-24-06 18:15pm


They have one, so let's have one, and define what we consider pro-choice. 1. A zygote/embryo/fetus is alive, and we are thoughroully aware of that. 2. A zef is not a person (at least not im my opinion, what about you guys?) 3. Murder applies only to people. 4. That said, abortion does kill the zef. Obviously it does. Do pro-lifers think we're retarded or something? It is killing, but not murder. 5. The life of the mother outweighs the life of the zef. The life of any born person outweighs the life of a zef, and especially the mother, since it's her body that is being used. 6. A zef is developing into a human being, but in my opinion it isn't one yet, not until it can survive outside the womb by itself; known also as "viability". 7. My views are not based in religion. God has nothing to do with my knowledge and ethical feelings about abortion. 8. Abortion is not just a way to avoid being a parent. It is also a way to avoid remaining pregnant. If you do not want to be pregnant, then "why not give it up for adoption?" is an irrelevant question. (poopoo's) murder is bad because it is taking away a born person's life without their permission; it is removing them and their experiences and it hurts everyone around them. A zef does not have experiences. It does no know anyone. It doesn't even have a personality yet. Babies can't even smile at birth, they don't have emotions yet. If there is anything you would like to add please do so! a personal opinion on when abortion is okay and when it's not: i believe in on-demand abortions for all fetuses under the age of about 20 weeks ie 5 months. After about 27 weeks, it has been found that the thalamus (the center of the brain that is key in feeling pain) connects to the rest of the brain, thus possibly allowing the fetus to feel pain. Because of this, and also because preemies born at 5 months have a 50-60% chance of survival, I feel that on-demand abortions are not ethical at this age. However, if the mother is in danger or if the fetus is found to be severely deformed/ill, then abortion is fine. Also, if the mother is a victim of rape of incest and has not been able to get to a clinic until this time, then I also feel that the abortion should be allowed. Last edited by Tylanas on 10-25-06 11:13am; edited 5 times in total

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Posted: 01-24-06 22:13pm


I totally agree.

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Posted: 01-25-06 05:44am


I agree, but would also add: abortion is not just a way to avoid being a parent. It is also a way to avoid remaining pregnant. If you do not want to be pregnant, then "why not give it up for adoption?" is an irrelevant question.

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Posted: 01-26-06 22:17pm


That is a good point :)

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Posted: 02-06-06 18:57pm


I am 23 years old and have lost a baby before. That was one of the most horrible experiences of my life (thus far).. But I do agree with prochoice. I do not believe abortion should be used as a form of birth control, but if god forbid I or someone else is raped and gets pregnant, caca ya, there is nothing wrong with having an abortion. And if a young girl makes a mistake and ends up pregnant and knows she can not take care of a child, well...? But as I mentioned before, it is not a form of birth control. If a woman is just a "loose" kind of gal and tends 2 get pregnant and have abortions alot, that I believe is wrong...

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Posted: 02-06-06 20:29pm

curious_girl82 wrote:

i am 23 years old and have lost a baby before. That was one of the most horrible experiences of my life (thus far).. But I do agree with prochoice. I do not believe abortion should be used as a form of birth control, but if god forbid I or someone else is raped and gets pregnant, health question ya, there is nothing wrong with having an abortion. And if a young girl makes a mistake and ends up pregnant and knows she can not take care of a child, well...? But as I mentioned before, it is not a form of birth control. If a woman is just a "loose" kind of gal and tends 2 get pregnant and have abortions alot, that I believe is wrong...

i believe that too; but they do of course still have the choice to get the abortion. Still, I wish that women would not use abortion as their sole form of birth control.

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Posted: 02-07-06 18:23pm


Hi, I am new here. I wanted to say I am very much for prochoice. I had an abortion two years ago. I wasn't raped or molested or anything like that, it was just the wrong time in my life to have a baby. I was four months away from being married, we didn't have a house or any money to support ourselves let along a baby. Now two years later I have such guilt. I think "what if" all the time. I have my days where I wish I could take it all back and do it again. But most of all, I think god is going to punish me and never give me kids now. Sorry to vent, I just wanted to get it all out.

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Posted: 02-07-06 18:48pm


I do not believe that the man above will punish you! You did what was right at the time, you need to forgive yourself, heck who knows, maybe the fetus might not have made it thru the pregnancy anyway, did you ever think that maybe you might have done the fetus a favor, it's possible. I had two abortions because the dr's felt that it was medically a better thing to do, you don't forget but you forgive and you cannot go thru life thinking "what if". We are here for you! The very best to you!

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Posted: 02-07-06 19:00pm


I also feel that we are not walking in these pregnant females shoes. We do not live in her life we do not know what the whole picture is most of the time, she could be living in total hell, we do not know. We have no right to judge someone that we hardly or do not even know so therefor it is not our body and it is not our choice and if it is our body, it is our choice.

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Hi Eiri! Posted: 02-07-06 19:46pm


I see they have such nice judgemental things to say about us(pl that is) the question is is that will this be deleted like my morality one was, no biggy deal, aye. At least I can say it over and over pro-choice are understanding and open-minded about situations and not judgemental, willing to help and allow choices.

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Posted: 02-07-06 21:17pm

sandyallen wrote:

i see they have such nice judgemental things to say about us(pl that is) the question is is that will this be deleted like my morality one was, no biggy deal, aye. At least I can say it over and over pro-choice are understanding and open-minded about situations and not judgemental, willing to help and allow choices.

where was your morality one???

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Posted: 02-07-06 21:20pm


I would also like to advise that all pro-choice people stay off the pro-life forum!! There is at least one of you over there, and it's a new person too. None of the older members are doing it, not really. Seriously, they are giving us our space, we need to give them theirs. If something they say angers you off, or you want to talk about it, then post it here or on the debate forum. You are setting a very bad example for the rest of it! It does look like thoe of you who went over there to argue with them have realised your mistakes; and I too realised my mistake of going over there and trying ot help the pro-lifers out. They don't care if you're on their side on any issue; if you're pro-choice, you're the enemy. Nah, that's not really true ;) I have had some very good discussions with some of them. I do think that these forums have helped to heal a rift... People seem to be attacking each other less. Or maybe it's just in a lull for the moment.

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Posted: 02-07-06 23:29pm


Thanks, sandy. Actually, I had sever cramping in the beginning of the pregnancy. I was only 6 weeks along when the abortion took place and a part of me always felt that I would miscarry. Thanks for being so sweet with your words.

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Posted: 02-08-06 21:20pm


No problem, sorrow, that is what I am here for, I totally understand! Eiri, the morality/pro-choice was posted from here and was posted from me. I am pretty sure you posted to it, poopoopoo posted to it, tazzy posted to it saying that she would leave it here for now. I was just kind of venting from the post over there on morality or just kind of doing what you are doing with this topic. I even stated that if someone wants to move it that it is fine with me and then later it was gone but that is ok because I do not feel that it is my fault. I went over there by accident, I wish they were not so close together it is very easy to hit the wrong button. That is why I said what I said. I have no plans to go to the pro-life side. I would rather say them here but why should we say them if they are just going to be deleted w/o explaination? The best to you!

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Posted: 03-06-06 21:47pm


I've updated this post topic with my personal opinion on when during pregnancy an abortion becomes unethical. Go check it out :)

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Posted: 03-07-06 20:53pm

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i do think that these forums have helped to heal a rift... People seem to be attacking each other less. Or maybe it's just in a lull for the moment.

no you lot just do it behind their backs now, slyly and deviously calling them anti woman anti choice anti everything at every possible oppurtunity, these seperate forums are just wrong has it harbours suspision and sly comments.

who is this jack off? These forums don't harbor anything, since it is very easy to copy/paste a topic to the debate or pro-life forum and chat it out there.

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Posted: 03-08-06 21:56pm


Got a problem with me? Anyway, i'm sick of the debate forum. Jimmy edit doesn't listen, and you're just as bad, taking his side in regards to homosexuality.

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Posted: 03-09-06 02:26am


Eri you are soooo right about that jimmy(whatever), just ignore him, he is just a little boy. We are what we are and they will never understand or be open minded enough to. They feel we are 100% for abortion so let them think that way, it is their stupidity that leads them that way. The are just little sheep anyways! Have a good night!

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Posted: 03-09-06 08:33am


They dare call us sheep when their "lord" is their "shephard"!

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Posted: 03-09-06 13:57pm


That jimmy whatever guy really p*sses me off, he just doesn't seem able to comprehend anything other than what the bible says (and his interpretation seems somewhat literal, not like most of the christians I know). He never addresses points raised and he's just stuck back in the 1800's