Let me first say that I am not in favor of
abortions on the whole, but I do feel it's
a necessary service that is needed in
specific cases. I also feel that nobody
has the right to tell a woman what she can
or cannot do with her own body, and any
that she has created. I have seen many
unwanted pregnancies where the women did
not terminate, and those children later
became abused, sexually molested and in
some cases even killed by parents who
never wanted them in the first place. A
fetus cannot survive outside the womb in
the very early stages, so therefore it is
not alive without the support of it's
mother. It is much better to terminate
at that time, than to bring a child into
this world that is unwanted, uncared for,
and unloved. Pro lifers like to picket
the clinics with huge pictures of what a
terminated pregnancy looks like, for the
sheer sake of shock and awe, but did they
ever see a crime photo of a child with his
or her head bashed in, because a parent
got sick of hearing them cry? I don't
like to see women using abortion as a form
of birth control, but I do feel that given
to certain situations, where a mother
feels she is incapable of raising a child,
or there is a rape, illness, or chance of
birth defects involved, then abortion can
prove to be an alternative for these
women. In a perfect world, all children
should be loved, wanted and cared for, but
unfortunately this is not a perfect world.
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jenn_smithson
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Nov 2004 Posts: 808 Location: Texas
Posted: 02-11-06 18:29pm
Thank you for posting. You may want to
post this instead in either the abortion
debate forum or in the abortion prochoice
forum. This forum is specifically for
supporting .Women who are either thinking
about an abortion or who have had an
abortion.
Peace,
jenn
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raven53
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 51
Abortion & Choice Posted: 02-11-06 21:55pm
That is the purpose of my post. I am
totally in support of women who need this
service.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 02-12-06 00:28am
I think it's probably a nice post to add
to the pro-choice forum though :)
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Cambion
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Posted: 02-12-06 07:08am
I've said this before and i'll say it
again - if pro-life people love fetuses
and babies so much, there should be a law
made to take the unwanted children of
women who shouldn't get an abortion and
give them to all the pro-lifers. They
love life so much, then they can take in
the kids that were not wanted. Perhaps
maybe that would make them shut their
mouths.
But I agree with you, raven53 - unwanted
kids that are kept usually end up ignored,
neglected, abused, or killed. I wonder
what pro-lifers would like to see more -
abortions when the fetus is not developed
enough to register pain in its brain, or
more news stories about children being
killed by their parents. Oh well. I
think some of them are lobbying for the
latter choice since south dakota recently
banned all abortions, without exceptions
for cases of rape and incest. Go figure.
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raven53
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 51
Abortion & Choice Posted: 02-12-06 10:53am
You hit it right on. Where are the
abortion protesters when these kids are
being abused, neglected, and worse?
They talk about religion, and say it is a
sin, and try and make women feel guilty,
but in life, people die at the hand of
god every day. Ever ask yourself why
and how this service even came to be?
And why, in the animal kingdom, do some
parents reject, and/or destroy their
young? Why does god make that happen?
I don't know the answers, but I do know
that is the way of life as god created it,
and there are instances where a pregnancy
should not come to term, for the mother
and in most cases, I believe even more so
for the child. God only knows what fate
awaits a child born unwanted, but from
what I have seen, it is far worse for some
than what happens in those clinics.
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raven53
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 51
Abortion & Choice Posted: 02-12-06 10:59am
And one more thing for all the pro-lifers
that read these posts...Nothing is worse
than coming into this world unwanted and
unloved. You're finished before you even
begin...
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backhome22
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 195 Location: MN
Posted: 02-12-06 14:04pm
I know there are cases of child abuse and
neglect, but may I just ask why adoption
is not a good option in your opinion? I
can see pro-choice reasons for aborting
like when it puts the mother's life in
danger, but what if it's a totally healthy
pregnancy? I know people who were put up
for adoption that live great, happy lives
with thier adoptive families. So I would
just like to hear your opinion as to why
abortion is better than adoption.
(not saying you are right or wrong, just
interested in others' point of view)
also, just to give my experience and
opinion- to the person that wrote to give
the unwanted babies to the pro-lifers and
then see how they feel about it: my mom
actually offered to take the baby of her
friend's 14 year old daughter, so there
are some people out there that would be
willing to do it. I know she is only one
person, but maybe there are more out
there.
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raven53
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 51
Abortion & Choice Posted: 02-12-06 14:42pm
I have seen both sides of this fence, and
from my experiences, I can tell you that a
great many adoptions do not end up as
happy endings. Many, if not all of these
kids have that strong need to find their
real parents, and learn why they were
given up. No matter how much you tell an
adopted child they might have been wanted,
in their heart there is always that
nagging doubt, "why wasn't I good enough
to keep?" I have seen some real horror
stories about adopted kids. My cousin,
for one was a very much wanted adopted
child, but unfortunately, his mother died
of cancer when he was very small, and he
never got over it. When he grew, he got
into a life of drugs and booze,n became
homeless, and eventually ended up throwing
himself out a third story window. There
are cases of adopted and foster children
being abused by their new parents, and
worse every day. Not to say that there
aren't a good many happy stories, but it
is far better that there is a choice.
Many adoptive parents do not want to be
found, and this creates even deeper
emotional feelings of inadaquacy in some
kids. I could go on and on here, but all
you have to do is read the papers and
watch the news. There are enough sad
stories out there to convince most clear
thinking people.
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backhome22
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 195 Location: MN
Posted: 02-12-06 15:43pm
I guess there are both happy and sad
stories, but such is life. I don't agree
though, that you can't be a clear thinker
if you give a child up for adoption. I
don't think most end up in bad situations.
I don't think people who hate kids are
going to go through all that legal and
financial work just to have a kid to
abuse. Obviously, some do or there would
not be cases like the ones you mentioned.
The only thing is, the media only shows
the bad cases, not all the good ones out
there. I also don't think that a person's
life isn't worth living just because they
wonder about their birth parents. My dad
never met his father, and I know it
bothered and still does bother him, but
despite that, he's a happy person with a
lot of good in his life, and everbody's
got problems but that doesn't mean they
wish they were never born. Nobody knows
what is going to happen, I just think
giving the chance to live is the better
choice for me. I realize that
pro-choicers and pro-lifers will never
agree, but I do think this debate forum is
good, so if any girl on here is looking
for advice on what she should do she can
get all sides of the story. :)
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raven53
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 51
Posted: 02-12-06 16:29pm
You misunderstood me when I said any clear
thinking person would understand that by
just watching the news,with all it's
horror stories about what happens to some
of these children, there should be reason
enough for having a choice in the matter
of bearing children. I also, did not say
that a person who didn't know their
parents would wish they were never born,
or their life wasn't worth living. Some
people live very happy lives, but as I
said, and you referenced it about your
dad, there is always that nagging
question... It would be great if every
baby who came into the world was loved and
wanted, but sadly, some aren't, and the
resentment those parents feel having been
forced to bear that child can manefest
itself is many different ways, many not
for the better. Early term abortion can
sometimes be the best alternative. But it
should be for good reasons only. In this
day and age, when there is birth control
everywhere, there is no excuse for as many
unwanted pregnancies as there are.
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backhome22
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 195 Location: MN
Posted: 02-12-06 18:27pm
Sorry if I misunderstood what you were
saying, too. I'm not trying to cause any
nastiness, just debate. You have some
good points and reasons, also.
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 02-12-06 19:31pm
Again b/c methods are not 100% even if
they are taken the correct way and we all
know that and no one is perfect, we are
human, we do forget.
Raven I totally agree with you, I work
with these neglected and abused children,
some will never come back no matter how
hard we try.
Yes their are some good foster homes but
there are too many bad one's just like
regular homes or houses, and older people
foster homes and rest homes. It is just
sad when these young girls have to go
looking for love in a different way
because they cannot get the love and
attention in a proper way at home.
When women fall pregnant, they should have
the right to abort, it should not be a
political thing, heck, their are some
pro-lifer's that have chosen abortion for
themselves or their daughters.
What is this, south dakota does not care
about the women if they die during
pregnancy, it is all about the fetus or
the women that will die doing their own
abortion, heck, I lost a friend of the
family in the early 60's because abortion
was illegal and the dr's would not give
her an abortion that she needed and she
bled to death. This is getting
political. Next thing you know is that
women will not be allowed to vote. How
rediculous!
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lsipes
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 325
Posted: 02-12-06 20:52pm
Quote:
they talk about
religion, and say it is a sin, and try and
make women feel
guilty
that's what angers me off the most.
---excuse me while I rant for a minute--
they use religion as a means of argument
for being "pro-life". They say it's a
sin to abort/kill/whathaveyou. Ok.
But they are judging those that have
either had an abortion, or support the
choice to have an abortion. The bible
clearly states that all sin is equal.
No sin is greater than another and they
all must be repented. So, by them
judging, they're just as "bad" (in their
opinion it's bad) as those that
abort/support abortion. It just angers
me off how condescending and hypocritical
it all is. To tell people they're going
to hell is *not* a "christian" thing to
do. God decides, right? "god will
deal with you". Give me an effing
break.
Edited because I forgot my quote!!!
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lsipes
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Jan 2006 Posts: 325
Re: Abortion & Choice Posted: 02-12-06 20:55pm
raven53
wrote:
and one more thing for all
the pro-lifers that read these
posts...Nothing is worse than coming into
this world unwanted and unloved. You're
finished before you even
begin...
wow. That is thought provoking.
Kudos!! =)
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curious_girl82
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 89 Location: new mexico
Posted: 02-15-06 00:01am
lsipes
wrote:
Quote:
they talk about
religion, and say it is a sin, and try and
make women feel
guilty
that's what angers me off the most.
---excuse me while I rant for a minute--
they use religion as a means of argument
for being "pro-life". They say it's a
sin to abort/kill/whathaveyou. Ok.
But they are judging those that have
either had an abortion, or support the
choice to have an abortion. The bible
clearly states that all sin is equal.
No sin is greater than another and they
all must be repented. So, by them
judging, they're just as "bad" (in their
opinion it's bad) as those that
abort/support abortion. It just
angers me off how condescending and
hypocritical it all is. To tell
people they're going to hell is *not* a
"christian" thing to do. God decides,
right? "god will deal with you".
Give me an effing break.
Edited because I forgot my
quote!!!
there is so much being stated here that I
totally agree with..Some of you ladies
take the thoughts and words right out of
my mouth..It is nice to know you ladies
exist...Right on :) (even if some of you
have been a bit angry with me..)
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sandyallen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 02-15-06 00:46am
Curious_girl82, I am not angry at you why
should I be angry at you, I do not get
angry, as it is a waste of my time, heck,
I do not even get mad anymore just do not
go over to the pro-life forum, that was
decided on, I believe before you came
aboard, it just causes problems that we do
not need, just go to the abortion forum
board for support or the debate board or
the pro-choice forum or any-where else but
not the pro-life forum.
The best to you!
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curious_girl82
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 89 Location: new mexico
Posted: 02-15-06 01:04am
Yes ma'am! (ma'am I assume) :) no, I
really do agree and I do apologize for
going into a forum I do not belong in :)
and as far as you not getting angry
anymore, how does that work out? I am
being totally serious :) I am trying to
make some changes in my life starting with
that...Silly question, but do you go to
any of the paranormal/spiritual forums
online?
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acoles70
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 191 Location: KY
Posted: 02-15-06 11:28am
Life is not a choice, it is a gift. I
can only speak for myself, but my religion
is a big part of who I am. I am no
hypocrite. I have never killed anyone,
don't lie, etc. I make my mistakes, just
like everyone else. But when you are
asking people to debate a hot button topic
like this their religion is going to be
brought into it. That is common sense.
That is my choice. I don't care if you
like it or not, it is a debate forum. It
is not the "only do what pro-choice people
want" forum. I'm sorry that you all keep
coming up with these half a$$ excuses for
mass homicide. There are children that
are brought into this world that are
unloved and neglected, and there parents
planned their pregnancy. So what makes
an unplanned pregnancy any different?
Don't say "you have never been in there
shoes". I have. I was 18, just
graduated high school when I found out I
was preg with my son. There was no
decision to be made. He is 3 and he is
my life. I just wish young pregnant
women knew they could do it. I went to
night school and graduated with my nursing
degree. Women can still be successful
and live out there dreams without killing
their babies.
Ashlee
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acoles70
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 191 Location: KY
Posted: 02-15-06 12:27pm
bahahahahahaha123
wrote:
backhome22
wrote:
so I would just like to hear
your opinion as to why abortion is better
than adoption.
it is the woman's choice to make that
decision. Support her choice, not
yours.
i will never support someone's choice to
kill someone else. No thanks.
Ashlee
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