there is nothing homophobic or hateful
about the love of jesus christ
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Posted: 03-05-06 02:39am
lsipes
wrote:
Quote:
when will pro
choice learn that all human beings are
created equally and put aside their
biggoted
views
i was liking your post until this. And
I rather resent it. Since when is "pro
choice" associated with anti
homosexuality?
yeah! Notice that it was a pro-lifer
being edit and saying homosexuality was
bad! And all the pro-choicers .A.N.D
pro-lifers got on his case!
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Posted: 03-05-06 02:46am
izzy
wrote:
"i was liking your post
until this. And I rather resent it.
Since when is "pro choice" associated with
anti homosexuality?"
look closer, try to understand the post,
eiri has seemed to grasp what I meant.
It didnt mean pro choice were anti
homosexuality, it showed the christian
view on homosexuals and unborn children on
you and every human being in the whole
world, we are truely loved by god and we
truely love all human beings as our
brothers and sisters even the most
wretched, not a nice persons, theieves,
homosexuals, rapists and pedophiles, no
human being is refused the mercy and love
of christ, everyone has their cross to
bare.
Eiri if you have no trouble accepting and
believe we should love one another surely
you must see that loving human beings,
means loving all human beings, you say you
have trouble accepting that the bible is
truth... Forget the bible, its just a
book... Look to jesus and his message of
love and mercy for all human beings, if
you believe in that... If you love that
message, you dont need the bible, you will
automatically know the truth when you see
and hear it.
no one automatically "knows" the truth.
Jesus doesn't tell me the truth. I do
like jesus' message, but many other
historical (and fictional) people have the
same message. I do have love and mercy
for all. That does not make me christian,
and it never will. I assume that you
meant by "loving human beings means loving
all human beings" that I should love the
fetus. Well, it is human genetically, so
I guess I should rephrase myself. I love
all people. And a fetus is not
a person.
However, I still find it very, very
offensive that you listed homosexuals with
pedophiles, thieves and murderers.
Gays and lesbians have love for all people
just as you do. They just want the
freedom to love the person they are in
love with. Why do you want to deny them
that? Why do you want them to live a fake
life, even though they never can and never
will love someone of the opposite gender?
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Izzy
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Posted: 03-05-06 06:16am
"i still find it very, very offensive that
you listed homosexuals with pedophiles,
thieves and murderers."
and what is wrong with murderers, theives
and peodophiles if they repent?
I would not condemn the mur de rer of my
family if he repented and I do not condemn
him now, I pray for him.
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Posted: 03-05-06 08:40am
lsipes
wrote:
Quote:
in fact
homosexuality is wrong morally, logically,
theologically, scientifically and
biologically, it is clearly wrong in every
single dimension you care to
observe.
i'd like for you to specifically tell me
how it's wrong theologically. Well...
And scientifically and biologically.
If you're talking about sodom, I can tell
you before you even bother to give a
meager dispute that you're wrong. As
far as biological, etc. We, as humans
are given many orifices. We are
allowed to use them as we see fit!!!
Homosexuals are children of your god too,
are they not? So you have no right to
damn them to hell or say that their
behavior is in any way abomination.
It's your duty as a christian to love them
and leave it up to your god. Is it
not? Seems that the agnostics and
atheists know more about your religion
that you do.
Boohoo.
lpsies:
1. He is not talking about sodom
2. He is not saying that homosexuals are
not children of god.
3. He is not damning homosexuals to
hell.
4. He is not saying he doesn't love
them.
Just because he says homosexuality is
wrong you can't assume anything of what
you have just expressed in this post.
There is many agnostics that hate
homosexuality okay. The dissaproval of
homosexuality is not only a thing of
christians. Homosexuality is considered
wrong to most of the people in this planet
whether they are christians, jews,
agnostics, hindus, budists, communists etc
etc. Get that into your head.
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Posted: 03-05-06 11:17am
nightangel73
wrote:
[
the dissaproval of homosexuality is not
only a thing of christians.
Homosexuality is considered wrong to most
of the people in this planet whether they
are christians, jews, agnostics, hindus,
budists, communists etc etc. Get that
into your
head.
would you care to back this up? Just
wondering as we live in a pretty tolerant
society where people do not discriminate
on the basis of race/gender/sexual
preference. Obviously there are those who
cannot seem to grasp that being gay is not
"wrong".
Why is it wrong, in your opinion?
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Posted: 03-05-06 11:29am
izzy
wrote:
"i still find it very, very
offensive that you listed homosexuals with
pedophiles, thieves and not a nice
persons."
and what is wrong with not a nice persons,
theives and peodophiles if they repent?
I would not condemn the mur de rer of my
family if he repented and I do not condemn
him now, I pray for
him.
that's because you believe in sin. I,
however, believe that everone is solely
responsible for their actions. I also
don't believe in hell; in my belief, we're
all going to the same place in the end,
because we are all the same thing. We are
the universe, and it is us. So the only
reasons for bad actions and punishment for
them comes from the living. And those who
do bad should be punished for their
actions. Can they be forgiven?
Obviously; remember, hate the crime, not
the criminal. But they still have a debt
that they must pay during their lives;
because no one knows what the after life
is like, or if it even exists. Individual
souls certainly don't, since we are all
part of the whole.
Repenting means nothing to me. Paying for
your crime does. Spend your time doing I
was before you made your mistake. Or,
take responsibility for what you've done,
somehow.
What is wrong with a murderer?
He or she killed someone; he removed them
from life so that they can no longer enjoy
it. Yet, then again, it's just like
popping a bubble on top of water. The
bubble was part of the water, so it just
returned to thw water. It was never
really a separate entity.
The pedophile is sick, sick sick. He or
she has mental problems and needs to see a
psychiatrist. Unfortunately, even if he
goes to jail, sees help, or "repents", 90%
of pedphiles relapse upon release, and go
back to their sickening ways, which is why
they have to register in communities.
Stealing is bad on principle; taking that
which is not yours. But at least an
actual person is not harmed (physically),
unlike pedophilia or homicide. And most
material things can be replaced; and we
should not be so attatched to them in the
first place.
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Posted: 03-05-06 11:35am
nightangel73
wrote:
lsipes
wrote:
Quote:
in fact
homosexuality is wrong morally, logically,
theologically, scientifically and
biologically, it is clearly wrong in every
single dimension you care to
observe.
i'd like for you to specifically tell me
how it's wrong theologically.
Well... And scientifically and
biologically. If you're talking
about sodom, I can tell you before you
even bother to give a meager dispute that
you're wrong. As far as biological,
etc. We, as humans are given many
orifices. We are allowed to use them
as we see fit!!! Homosexuals are
children of your god too, are they not?
So you have no right to damn them to
hell or say that their behavior is in any
way abomination. It's your duty as a
christian to love them and leave it up to
your god. Is it not? Seems
that the agnostics and atheists know more
about your religion that you do.
Boohoo.
lpsies:
1. He is not talking about sodom
2. He is not saying that homosexuals
are not children of god.
3. He is not damning homosexuals to
hell.
4. He is not saying he doesn't love
them.
Just because he says homosexuality is
wrong you can't assume anything of what
you have just expressed in this post.
There is many agnostics that hate
homosexuality okay. The dissaproval of
homosexuality is not only a thing of
christians. Homosexuality is considered
wrong to most of the people in this planet
whether they are christians, jews,
agnostics, hindus, budists, communists etc
etc. Get that into your
head.
there are also many agnostics who hate
christians, more-so than who hate
homosexuals, i'd be willing to bet.
Buddhists absolutely, positively do .N.O.T
hate homosexuality on basis of their
religion. Nowhere in our doctrines does
it say that homosexuality is bad, and
buddha himself nver mentioned it. Now,
are there people, who hate
homosexuals, who also happen
to be buddhist? You'd be very hard
pressed to find one, but there might be
someone out there. But he wouldn't hate
homosexuals because he's buddhist, he'd
hate them because he's an fool who thinks
he's buddhist.
And communism isnt' a religion, edit.
It's an economic/political belief. Like
capitalism.
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Posted: 03-05-06 16:50pm
moo
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
[
the dissaproval of homosexuality is not
only a thing of christians.
Homosexuality is considered wrong to most
of the people in this planet whether they
are christians, jews, agnostics, hindus,
budists, communists etc etc. Get that
into your
head.
would you care to back this up? Just
wondering as we live in a pretty tolerant
society where people do not discriminate
on the basis of race/gender/sexual
preference. Obviously there are those
who cannot seem to grasp that being gay is
not "wrong".
Why is it wrong, in your
opinion?
there is great discrimination, maybe not
so much in terms of race/gender/sexual
preference, but people are still dieing in
the millions because some individuals
don’t believe other individuals are in
fact people.
The people discriminated against are the
unborn.
Homosexuality is wrong on every level, and
we are increasingly seeing testimonies of
reformed homosexuals who are continually
reaffirming this opinion.
Besides what is good about homosexuality?
-nothing, and if there are any benefits
does it actually out weight the millions
of disadvantages, such as aids? I think
not.
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lsipes
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Posted: 03-05-06 17:29pm
Ignorance abound. Abosolute ignorance.
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Posted: 03-05-06 17:40pm
jimmyjackers
wrote:
there is great
discrimination, maybe not so much in terms
of race/gender/sexual preference, but
people are still dieing in the millions
because some individuals don’t believe
other individuals are in fact people.
The people discriminated against are the
unborn.
they're not people and it's nothing to do
with discriminating against the fetus - I
don't hate fetuses, I don't advocate that
all fetuses be aborted because of what
they are :roll:
it's about allowing women to have a
.C.H.O.I.C.E to continue her pregnancy or
not.
jimmyjackers
wrote:
homosexuality is wrong on
every level, and we are increasingly
seeing testimonies of reformed homosexuals
who are continually reaffirming this
opinion.
can you back this up please, exactly why
is homosexuality wrong "on every level"?
I'm also dubious about "reformed"
homosexuals, I don't believe that
homosexuality is a choice so I don't see
how you can decide to not be gay
jimmyjackers
wrote:
besides what is good about
homosexuality? -nothing, and if there
are any benefits does it actually out
weight the millions of disadvantages, such
as aids? I think
not.
.H.I.V is predominantly spread by
heterosexual sex. What other
"disadvantages" are there to being gay
(other than the biggoted views of narrow
minded individuals such as yourself)?
What is good about it? The fact that
people are allowed to live their lives the
way they want without being shamed or
guilted about their sexual orientation.
I'm not homosexual but i'm sure those who
are could give you a long list about what
is "good" about it!
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sandyallen
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Posted: 03-05-06 18:23pm
Izzy, you judge homosexuals when regular
people do th same thing.
Jimmyjackers, it soundsto me like you are
not only non-educated but you also
discriminate and judge, you have soooooo
much to learn, just like so many other
pro-lifers that I have known. Book
learning is fine but their is the real
world too, you need to get out more and
see what is going on, honestly, my jobs,
traveling and the war has taught me more
than what you will ever learn and also my
relationships.
Good luck!
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jimmyjackers
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Posted: 03-05-06 18:48pm
moo
wrote:
they're not people and it's
nothing to do with discriminating against
the fetus - I don't hate fetuses, I don't
advocate that all fetuses be aborted
because of what they are :roll:
it's about allowing women to have a
.C.H.O.I.C.E to continue her pregnancy or
not.
foetuses are people until they are proven
not to be people, and since no one has or
ever will then you will always be guilty
of discrimination, and genocide.
moo
wrote:
can you back this up please,
exactly why is homosexuality wrong "on
every level"?
well, to put it simply, there is nothing
good about it, just as there is nothing
good in paedophilia.
moo
wrote:
i'm also dubious about
"reformed" homosexuals, I don't believe
that homosexuality is a choice so I don't
see how you can decide to not be gay
well if a man chooses to be a pervert do
you still believe that he has not chosen
to be a pervert?
moo
wrote:
.H.I.V is predominantly
spread by heterosexual sex.
that is because heterosexuals make up 95%
of the population, yet homosexuals who
only make up 5% of the population account
for 50% of hiv cases. Shocking!
moo
wrote:
what other "disadvantages"
are there to being gay (other than the
biggoted views of narrow minded
individuals such as yourself)?
well, recent studies show homosexuals have
a substantially greater risk of suffering
from a psychiatric problems than do
heterosexuals. We see higher rates of
suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial
personality disorder, and substance
abuse.
moo
wrote:
what is good about it?
The fact that people are allowed to live
their lives the way they want without
being shamed or guilted about their sexual
orientation. I'm not homosexual but
i'm sure those who are could give you a
long list about what is "good" about it!
funny that you claim that they should be
allowed to live their lives the way they
want to, when I have never said they
should not? I simply give the opinion
that it is wrong. However, you don’t
allow foetuses to live the way they want,
do you? If I was to consider
homosexuals as subhuman in the same way
you see foetuses as subhuman, you would
really disapprove, yet the situation is
the same. Except I don’t kill
homosexuals for what they are, unlike your
attitude towards foetuses because of what
they are.
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Posted: 03-05-06 18:56pm
sandyallen
wrote:
jimmyjackers, it soundsto me
like you are not only non-educated but you
also discriminate and judge,
well you are mistaken, i’m well
educated, besides you discriminate against
the unborn and you have just judged me,
-hypocrite!
sandyallen
wrote:
you have soooooo much to
learn, just like so many other pro-lifers
that I have known. Book learning is fine
but their is the real world too, you need
to get out more and see what is going on,
honestly, my jobs, traveling and the war
has taught me more than what you will ever
learn and also my relationships.
Good luck!
really, has it taught you more then I will
ever learn? How can you know or even
prove this? Well let me tell you, this
cannot be proven, so it seems you are the
one with lots to learn, fool!
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Posted: 03-05-06 20:17pm
jimmyjackers
wrote:
well, recent studies show homosexuals have
a substantially greater risk of suffering
from a psychiatric problems than do
heterosexuals. We see higher rates of
suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial
personality disorder, and substance
abuse.
and I know first hand this is true because
if my brother wasn't homosexual we would
be alive today. Homosexuality lead him to
substance abuse, psychicatric problems and
death.
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Posted: 03-05-06 23:45pm
nightangel73
wrote:
jimmyjackers
wrote:
well, recent studies show homosexuals have
a substantially greater risk of suffering
from a psychiatric problems than do
heterosexuals. We see higher rates of
suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial
personality disorder, and substance
abuse.
and I know first hand this is true because
if my brother wasn't homosexual we would
be alive today. Homosexuality lead him
to substance abuse, psychicatric problems
and death.
no; his family and friends shunning him
for simply loving is what killed him. You
are all the murderers, for not caring
about him. Love knows no gender, age, or
race. Being gay did not lead him to
substance abuse; being hated and having to
leave his loved ones and turn to anything
he could in order to feel happy led him to
drugs and pyschiatric problems, which lead
to his death.
Some of the nicest, happeist, and
well-adjusted people I know are gay. My
mother on the other hand has depression
problems, yet she's a good olde christian.
I know a lot more straight people with
mental problems than gay people. And I
know a lot of gay people.
Also, I don't know of that many gay people
who are drug abusers because
they are gay. In fact, I don't know any.
No one becomes a drug abuser because they
are any specific thing.
That's as bad as saying black people are
led to drug use just because they're
black. It's false and sickening. They
are led to drug abuse because of those
eblack born into poverty (and whites, and
mexicans, etc), they have more acess to
illegal drugs.
I bet your brother ran away, because your
family was close minded and hated him. He
may have been an adult, but if he moved as
far away from you all as he could, he was
still running from you.
Mental and drug abuse problems happen to
everyone, and sexual orientation is not a
factor. If it is, then it's only for the
same reason that black people have more
mental disroders: discrimination.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 03-06-06 01:02am
You do not have to be gay to have hiv, it
can be rec'd by bad blood, a dirty needle,
you should learn to not label(sp) people
like you do that shows what kind of person
you truly are and I am not naming names as
you know who I am talking about, you will
learn what payback is!!! For such
religious people you seem very
hypocritical, I help, not judgeand I know
when I cannot help andwhen it takes more
of a professional!
Good night!
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sandyallen
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Posted: 03-06-06 01:27am
Yes, that is right jimy jackers, you are
so religious, you help people by calling
them a fool, as I said before. You need
seerios help as their are younger kids
reading this and I am sure that admin will
not appreciate your, rudeness!
Bye-bye!
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Posted: 03-06-06 03:01am
jimmyjackers
wrote:
foetuses are people until they are proven
not to be people, and since no one has or
ever will then you will always be guilty
of discrimination, and genocide.
wrong, they're not people and will not be
until the law recognises them as such.
I do not discriminate against fetus es
(explained above)
i do not want to eradicate all fetuses,
there is no genocide
jimmyjackers
wrote:
well, to put it simply,
there is nothing good about it, just as
there is nothing good in paedophilia.
who mentioned paedophiles? No-one, what
is wrong with two consenting adults in
homosexual activity?
Quote:
well if a man chooses to be a pervert do
you still believe that he has not chosen
to be a pervert?
i don't believe homosexuals are perverts,
please stop being so biggoted and actually
think of logical replies that aren't based
on your hatred
Quote:
that is because heterosexuals make up 95%
of the population, yet homosexuals who
only make up 5% of the population account
for 50% of hiv cases. Shocking!
Well, recent studies show homosexuals have
a substantially greater risk of suffering
from a psychiatric problems than do
heterosexuals. We see higher rates of
suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial
personality disorder, and substance
abuse.
show me the studies that say this, links
or i'm assuming you're making it up.
I've already addressed the depression
factor you're suggesting
Quote:
funny that you claim that they should be
allowed to live their lives the way they
want to, when I have never said they
should not? I simply give the opinion
that it is wrong.
if you could state it's an opinion, and
just that (i.E stop making ludicrous
claims and admit that it's your narrow
minded view) then i'd leave it at that
Quote:
however, you
don’t allow foetuses to live the way
they want, do you?
they are not capable of "want", I have
nothing against fetuses, I simply believe
a woman should be allowed to abort if she
wishes - it's not all about the fetus,
remember the woman for once could you??
Quote:
if I was to
consider homosexuals as subhuman in the
same way you see foetuses as subhuman, you
would really disapprove, yet the situation
is the same.
i don't see fetuses as sub-human, please
refrain from making things up. If you
cannot grasp what's been said then simply
ask, don't make wrong assumptions like
that above.
Quote:
except I don’t
kill homosexuals for what they are, unlike
your attitude towards foetuses because of
what they
are.
what have you been reading here? Clearly
not the pro-choice posts - your lack of
understanding is phenomenal
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 03-06-06 07:11am
moo
wrote:
wrong, they're not people
and will not be until the law recognises
them as such
were slaves people before the american law
said they were, if not what were they.The
law once said that black africans were not
people but chattels to be bought and sold,
your arguments have been used before by
slavers to legitimize what they did to the
slaves.
