Real Unreal Chemical Spiritual Posted: 03-17-06 01:48am
Hi, I would like to say that we as
humans, have been altering our
conciousness for alot longer than we have
tried to remain sober. Look at the number
one, jesus christ, I am not saying that he
did dugs, but he deffinitly was not
normal, talking to god, involved with
angels, and I bet you if he was alive
today, instead of crusifying him they
would of sent him to a padded room and
gave him enough drugs to break his spirit
and make him drool, all by the ones that
are respected and thought of as having the
answer, like todays doctors.
I am not saying that doctors dont help,
but I am saying that , there are no
straight lines, and that reality is not
definable, and that somtimes things are
not as they seem.
Buddha, deffinitly into tripping out,
walt disney, probably was pretty far out
the early hindus, into taking mushrooms,
pretty much every culture has their , drug
use, their poets, their artist, their
saints, and their , crazies,
i often wonder as us here in america ( the
country with the highest number of mental
disorders ) do not have a rich enough
culture, being only a few hundred years
old, and the combination of 20th century
doctor / drug technology, have replaced
the old ways, of understanding, religous
or shamanic experiences, s with our doctor
drug gods, that dish out, pills to make us
all lock steped into a reality that is not
nesicarily, true,
then there are those who say , oh yeah its
a disease like diabetes and you better
take your meds. Maybe it is , but maybe
it not
i bet if ghandi, jesus, leonardo, mozart,
da vincci, buddha, einstein, columbus, etc
etc etc. Lived in 21st century america,
they would of been beleived to have some
mental disorder, and been , counseled ,
drugged, and eventually become somone,
that they were not , and I am willing to
bet these people would not have
contributed to our world in the great ways
that they did.
Always take into account,, that drugs
change you, effect reality, and alter your
perception, yet it be lithium, acid,
asprin, weed, depikote, or mushrooms, we
have been doing drugs , since the
beggining of time, to alter our
conciousness,,,far longer than we have not
been doing drugs, or doing drugs to become
normal,,,,,, remember adam and eve. Eat
this apple and your reality will change...
The serpant was the first drug pusher.
It has only been the last few decades that
our minds have been directed by tests,
clinical trials and other humans, as if
they absolutly know what true, or false,
up, or down, when we live on a spinning
sphere
also life allot of times is f ed up,,, we
are scarred by situations, child abuse,
crappy hormones in the chicken, the god
of oprah, how about, the influx of
information,,,,,,, look up somthing, and
you can find information leading you in 10
different dirrections. What is true, what
is right,what is real, is seeming to me to
become more and more, difficult to now the
truth, and less desired / important, as we
let the status quo , become what we difine
ourselves and our world by,,,
like now you say you see visions or hear
voices talking to you ,,,
you are crazy, see a doctor, and he will,
with authority, define you.
But if you had visions and heard voices,
in a south american tribe, or were john of
the bible, you may be known as a holy man
there has been stories and voices for
along time, and it is only recent that we
have labled, medicated, and found it to be
incorrect. Maybe is that our society
says for us all to be the round peg to
fit in the round hole, when we all where
made all kinds of shapes, but for some
reason, differences where not accepted,
the status quo was created, and the term
wako was implied.
I am just saying, things are still
undecided ,,, what is right,,, what is
wrong, and what is real, what is unreal,
have always been changing, and reality is
not static
and somtimes , some doctors, therapy, and
meds, do a world of good, and are huge
help,
i think it is important to try to think
deeper than our current, set of values and
ideas,,, rather than, midlessly accepting
what you are fed.
Are you a vsionary or are you krazy
these are just some ideas I think about,
and welcome your feedback, conversation
and ideas, because I think these types of
thought are not discussed with an open
enough mind, in most situations.
Doctors, family, whoever.
Are you the next. Picaso, einstein,
prophet,
or
not perfect, incorrect, and out of wack
the poles could shift, any moment
adam
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fatfamily02
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 03-17-06 02:11am
I pretty much agree with all you have
said. How do we know what a person
sees--whether it is a gift from .God or if
he has just wasted too many brain cells
and his reality is not quite right. I
believe myself, more times than not, it
is just some sort of spiritual gift that
he has never learned to use to the ability
it was given.
And I know that most all pple could be
called crazy and put on meds if the psychs
knew about it. Everyone can see things,
or has at one time or another heard
voices. So....Are we all crazy? I also
know of pple who use street drugs just so
they dont see or hear so many things.
And I still believe it is a gift that they
have not the patience to deal with at that
time in their life, or running scared from
this gift.
How do we know what is real, unreal, from
.God or from somewhere else??? We dont
and only .God knows "the thoughts and
intents of the heart."
i know this is one of those things that
will never completely clear itself up, in
this life---but maybe someday when we can
ask .Jesus .Himself--.He will have the
answers our hearts so long for.
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HappyHappy
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Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 41
Gift From God Eh? Posted: 06-29-07 15:19pm
Prophets are beheaded.
Saints are overcome.
Artists and poets starve.
Shamans are murdered.
How did buddha die?
"bet if ghandi, jesus, leonardo, mozart,
da vincci, buddha, einstein, columbus, etc
etc etc. " (from your post)
You know what ghandi had to do.
Jesus, the son of god, hung on a cross
with nails driven through his hands and
feet for days.
einstein invented the dam nuclear bomb,
screw him, he is a person.
"But if you had visions and heard voices,
in a south american tribe, or were john of
the bible, you may be known as a holy man
"(from your post)
John of the bible, beheaded. And probably
with rusty weapons.
south american tribes will soon not
exist.
holy men are also killed. Probably on a
daily basis.
"visionaries"=killed
So there you have it.
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zmind
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 Jun 2007 Posts: 3
Posted: 06-30-07 05:52am
pretty much
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Philo
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Posted: 07-01-07 12:02pm
there's a difference between visions and
hallucinations. if my voices are a gift
from god, why don't they make any sense
and put me down all the time? why do they
make me feel like stuff you can't equate
sickness with illumination. they're very
different.
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HappyHappy
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 41
It Isn't a Gift. Posted: 07-02-07 12:15pm
Gifts are to be accepted by the recipient,
not forced upon them.
You know when you get freakin stupid crap
for christmas, because the person buying
it for you doesn't care what you want.
And you are forced to act like you like
the gift. It's kinda like that.
So, in conclusion, if this was a "gift"
from god, then what does that make god?