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seemlesstech

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Real Unreal Chemical Spiritual
Posted: 03-17-06 01:48am

Hi, I would like to say that we as humans, have been altering our conciousness for alot longer than we have tried to remain sober. Look at the number one, jesus christ, I am not saying that he did dugs, but he deffinitly was not normal, talking to god, involved with angels, and I bet you if he was alive today, instead of crusifying him they would of sent him to a padded room and gave him enough drugs to break his spirit and make him drool, all by the ones that are respected and thought of as having the answer, like todays doctors.


I am not saying that doctors dont help, but I am saying that , there are no straight lines, and that reality is not definable, and that somtimes things are not as they seem.


Buddha, deffinitly into tripping out,

walt disney, probably was pretty far out

the early hindus, into taking mushrooms,

pretty much every culture has their , drug use, their poets, their artist, their saints, and their , crazies,

i often wonder as us here in america ( the country with the highest number of mental disorders ) do not have a rich enough culture, being only a few hundred years old, and the combination of 20th century doctor / drug technology, have replaced the old ways, of understanding, religous or shamanic experiences, s with our doctor drug gods, that dish out, pills to make us all lock steped into a reality that is not nesicarily, true,



then there are those who say , oh yeah its a disease like diabetes and you better take your meds. Maybe it is , but maybe it not


i bet if ghandi, jesus, leonardo, mozart, da vincci, buddha, einstein, columbus, etc etc etc. Lived in 21st century america, they would of been beleived to have some mental disorder, and been , counseled , drugged, and eventually become somone, that they were not , and I am willing to bet these people would not have contributed to our world in the great ways that they did.

Always take into account,, that drugs change you, effect reality, and alter your perception, yet it be lithium, acid, asprin, weed, depikote, or mushrooms, we have been doing drugs , since the beggining of time, to alter our conciousness,,,far longer than we have not been doing drugs, or doing drugs to become normal,,,,,, remember adam and eve. Eat this apple and your reality will change... The serpant was the first drug pusher.

It has only been the last few decades that our minds have been directed by tests, clinical trials and other humans, as if they absolutly know what true, or false, up, or down, when we live on a spinning sphere


also life allot of times is f ed up,,, we are scarred by situations, child abuse, crappy hormones in the chicken, the god of oprah, how about, the influx of information,,,,,,, look up somthing, and you can find information leading you in 10 different dirrections. What is true, what is right,what is real, is seeming to me to become more and more, difficult to now the truth, and less desired / important, as we let the status quo , become what we difine ourselves and our world by,,,

like now you say you see visions or hear voices talking to you ,,,
you are crazy, see a doctor, and he will, with authority, define you.

But if you had visions and heard voices, in a south american tribe, or were john of the bible, you may be known as a holy man


there has been stories and voices for along time, and it is only recent that we have labled, medicated, and found it to be incorrect. Maybe is that our society says for us all to be the round peg to fit in the round hole, when we all where made all kinds of shapes, but for some reason, differences where not accepted, the status quo was created, and the term wako was implied.


I am just saying, things are still undecided ,,, what is right,,, what is wrong, and what is real, what is unreal, have always been changing, and reality is not static

and somtimes , some doctors, therapy, and meds, do a world of good, and are huge help,

i think it is important to try to think deeper than our current, set of values and ideas,,, rather than, midlessly accepting what you are fed.

Are you a vsionary or are you krazy




these are just some ideas I think about, and welcome your feedback, conversation and ideas, because I think these types of thought are not discussed with an open enough mind, in most situations. Doctors, family, whoever.


Are you the next. Picaso, einstein, prophet,

or

not perfect, incorrect, and out of wack



the poles could shift, any moment





adam
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fatfamily02

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Posted: 03-17-06 02:11am

I pretty much agree with all you have said. How do we know what a person sees--whether it is a gift from .God or if he has just wasted too many brain cells and his reality is not quite right. I believe myself, more times than not, it is just some sort of spiritual gift that he has never learned to use to the ability it was given.

And I know that most all pple could be called crazy and put on meds if the psychs knew about it. Everyone can see things, or has at one time or another heard voices. So....Are we all crazy? I also know of pple who use street drugs just so they dont see or hear so many things. And I still believe it is a gift that they have not the patience to deal with at that time in their life, or running scared from this gift.

How do we know what is real, unreal, from .God or from somewhere else??? We dont and only .God knows "the thoughts and intents of the heart."

i know this is one of those things that will never completely clear itself up, in this life---but maybe someday when we can ask .Jesus .Himself--.He will have the answers our hearts so long for.
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HappyHappy

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Gift From God Eh?
Posted: 06-29-07 15:19pm

Prophets are beheaded.
Saints are overcome.
Artists and poets starve.
Shamans are murdered.
How did buddha die?
"bet if ghandi, jesus, leonardo, mozart, da vincci, buddha, einstein, columbus, etc etc etc. " (from your post)
You know what ghandi had to do.
Jesus, the son of god, hung on a cross with nails driven through his hands and feet for days.
einstein invented the dam nuclear bomb, screw him, he is a person.
"But if you had visions and heard voices, in a south american tribe, or were john of the bible, you may be known as a holy man "(from your post)
John of the bible, beheaded. And probably with rusty weapons.
south american tribes will soon not exist.
holy men are also killed. Probably on a daily basis.
"visionaries"=killed

So there you have it.
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zmind

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Posted: 06-30-07 05:52am

pretty much
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Philo

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Posted: 07-01-07 12:02pm

there's a difference between visions and hallucinations. if my voices are a gift from god, why don't they make any sense and put me down all the time? why do they make me feel like stuff you can't equate sickness with illumination. they're very different.
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HappyHappy

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It Isn't a Gift.
Posted: 07-02-07 12:15pm

Gifts are to be accepted by the recipient, not forced upon them.
You know when you get freakin stupid crap for christmas, because the person buying it for you doesn't care what you want. And you are forced to act like you like the gift. It's kinda like that.

So, in conclusion, if this was a "gift" from god, then what does that make god?
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