I am 18 weeks pg w/ twins. I broke a
tooth a few weeks ago and have been trying
to avoid my dentist, which I no longer
can. However I cannot go in for another 3
days. The broken tooth has an exposed
nerve causing a lot of pain. Does anyone
know if it is safe to take tylenol 3?
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fiorastar
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 22 Location: Oregon
Posted: 04-08-06 20:23pm
Ouch! That sounds pretty painful!
As far as using tylenol 3, I would avoid
it in pregnancy especially. If you go to
a doctor they will tell you otherwise,
because tylenol seems to have spent a lot
of money with the ama.
However, tylenol is one of the most
dangerous pain relievers there is,
especially in pregnancy, because it
powerfully taxes the liver. Your liver
is strenously worked during pregnancy,
since it's job is to "cleanse" the blood
of any toxins/wastes. There are many
cases of people dying or suffering
permanent liver damage from taking as
little as a double dose of tylenol.
For most women who experience what used to
be called "toxemia" in later pregnancy,
the issue is the liver being overworked.
If you need pain relievers, and they must
be pharmaceutical, I would strongly
suggest ibuprofen rather than tylenol.
Also, if you live anywhere where you can
get access to a natural health food store
or you can contact a bee keeper, one of
the best things i've ever used for a
broken or abcessed tooth is bee propyllis.
It is a waxy, antibiotic and antiviral
substance. Beehives are the most clean
environments practically on earth! You
can make a small ball out of propyllis and
push it into a hole in your tooth that is
hurting, and the pain and swelling will
dissipate.
Blessings,
fiora
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Expecting_Two
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 18 Location: Colorado
Posted: 04-08-06 20:31pm
Wow thanks flora for all the info. The
bee propyllis sounds facinating! Do you
know if that has an adverse effects on
people w/ bee allergies? It sounds like a
great alternative!
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fiorastar
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 22 Location: Oregon
Posted: 04-08-06 21:22pm
From what I understand, an allergic
response to a bee sting is quite different
from a food allergy, so I doubt that it
would be a problem. If there were a
person allergic to honey, that would be a
concern for any internal use of other bee
products, but otherwise, I wouldn't think
so.
However, a bee allergy can be pretty
serious, so you might want to check it out
more thoroughly if you are allergic to bee
stings.
Hope your tooth gets better soon.
Fiora
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 04-08-06 22:54pm
You might want to check with the dr or
pharmacist and let them know that you are
pregnant but I would say that tylenol 3
was out(just my opinion).
Aleve is the most dangerous thing anyone
could take-pregnant or not. My mom is a
nurse and she tells me about aleve and how
it is linked to so many cases of
heartattack and sudden unexplained deaths.
Ibprofen is not safe for pregnancy as it
can cause bleeding in the fetus. The
safest is plain tylenol-as long as you
keep the dose under 500mg.
Also, the issue with the liver being
overworked is overexaggerated. This only
applies to people who would be using
excessive amounts of tylenol for an
extended period of time. Basic tylenol is
the safest pain reliever for pregnant
women.
Tylenol 3 prob not bc it has codeine. But
you dont necessarily need something that
strong.
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sshao168
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 12 Location: NY
Posted: 04-08-06 23:47pm
Hi, I can't offer any advice in regards to
how any pain relievers would affect the
pregnancy, but I have been in the exact
situation where I chipped a tooth and the
nerve was exposed and there was constant
throbbing pain that was unbearable! It
would get worse at night to the point
where I couldn't sleep. The only solution
was a root canal. Pain relievers such as
ibuprofen only provides temp relief. You
really need to get this done because
bacteria will infect the nerve and before
you know your nerve would be infected and
that won't do any good obviously. I even
took vicodin which I overdosed and passed
out in a restaurant only because I wanted
to pull my tooth out because I was in such
pain. :(
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 04-08-06 23:51pm
You can take t3 and be just fine. After
years of study and more clinical trials,
many of todays ob's are prescribing
tylenol 3 and even vicodan to their
patients.
As long as you take it exactly to the
letter of the instructions, you will be
just fine. My wife had to have t3 for
headaches durring pregnancy and then
darvon for post preggers pain. Neither
will hurt the baby if taken properly.
Obviously check with your ob and ask for a
prescription but they should have no
problems giving it to you.
Remember, the more you suffer while
pregnant the more the baby suffers, they
are totally tied to your emotional and
physical self and they are affected just
like you. You should be making sure that
you are not in pain and that the world is
treating you like a queen because you are
going through the toughest part of your
life.
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fatfamily02
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Joined: 20 Jul 2005 Posts: 3050 Location: Georgia, USA
Posted: 04-09-06 00:01am
nataliachick7
wrote:
aleve is the most dangerous
thing anyone could take-pregnant or not.
My mom is a nurse and she tells me about
aleve and how it is linked to so many
cases of heartattack and sudden
unexplained deaths. Ibprofen is not
safe for pregnancy as it can cause
bleeding in the fetus. The safest is
plain tylenol-as long as you keep the dose
under 500mg.
totally agree----advil or any ibuprophen
for that matter can cause bleeding in the
mother also. My gramma almost died from
bleed--after taking advil. I do not
agree if doc says take ibuprophen while
pregnant--i dont believe they really know
about it's affect on a fetus yet. I
would not trust it. I would not give it
to my child either. It is tylenol all
the way or nothing. This is just my
opinion--
tylenol3 is acetametaphine with codeine in
it. I was prescribed codeine one time
while we were trying to prevent a
miscarraige. And doc explained to me it
would not harm the baby---but I would seek
you doc approval before taking it.
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map
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Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 267 Location: Eugene
Posted: 04-09-06 11:50am
tamadrummer
wrote:
you can take t3 and be just
fine. After years of study and more
clinical trials, many of todays ob's are
prescribing tylenol 3 and even vicodan to
their patients.
As long as you take it exactly to the
letter of the instructions, you will be
just fine. My wife had to have t3 for
headaches durring pregnancy and then
darvon for post preggers pain. Neither
will hurt the baby if taken properly.
Obviously check with your ob and ask for a
prescription but they should have no
problems giving it to you.
Remember, the more you suffer while
pregnant the more the baby suffers, they
are totally tied to your emotional and
physical self and they are affected just
like you. You should be making sure that
you are not in pain and that the world is
treating you like a queen because you are
going through the toughest part of your
life.
i agree tylenol is safe I took it with
all 3 of my pregnacies and with this one
asprain is not safe tylenol is safe if so
worried ask your doc I took t3 with my
last pg
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 04-09-06 13:13pm
It always depends on the person to as we
are all different!
Good luck
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fiorastar
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 22 Location: Oregon
Posted: 04-09-06 15:28pm
I will stick by what I said before.
Tylenol (acetominophen) is taxing to the
liver. Pregnancy is also taxing to the
liver-it simply is part of the process.
Doesn't mean a pregnant woman with a
normal, healthy pregnancy, well nourished
and feeling good is in any danger of her
liver being damaged. Just means that the
process of pregnancy-the normal natural
functions that the body is actually doing
while growing another body within
itself-does make for an extra work load on
the liver.
The old term, "toxemia", is what is now
called "pre-eclampsia". There are very
few obstetricians who have the nutritional
training to understand the actual process
that is going on which can lead to the
high blood pressure and dangerous liver
overwork of this late pregnancy syndrome.
What midwives the world over (and in many
other westernized, modern countries, it is
the midwives who are the primary care
providers for pregnancy-only calling on
the surgical specialists-the
obstetricians-to work under their referral
in a situation that goes beyond normal)
know well is that, especially in late
pregnancy but also throughout the
pregnancy, nutrition to support the liver
function is one of the most important
things one can do to ensure a healthy
pregnancy and birth. Midwives
statistics, by the way, on birth outcomes
and overall health for both mother and
baby, are far better than the american
westernized medical version of care.
Ibuprofen being a "blood thinner" is not
an issue unless you are about to actually
give birth. I'm not even certain that it
is, frankly, but unless you have some type
of clotting disorder (as many elders
do-for that person who made the comment
about their grandparent) a normal amount
of ibuprofen for a short term pain issue
such as a hurt tooth is perfectly safe.
The blood volume of a pregnant woman goes
way up anyway, to support the extra tissue
being built both by her baby and by her
uterine muscles in readiness for birth.
It is this added blood volume, by the way,
that requires more work of the liver.
Just because an obstetrician would tell
you to use tylenol does not make it safe
or appropriate. If you ask them about
liver effects, the only american doctors
who will tell you anything are the ones
who deal regularly with people who have
long term liver diseases, and if they know
what they are talking about
nutritionally-some do, some don't-they
will say the same thing i've said.
Blessings,
fiora
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 04-09-06 22:27pm
fiorastar
wrote:
i will stick by what I said
before.
Tylenol (acetominophen) is taxing to the
liver. Pregnancy is also taxing to the
liver-it simply is part of the process.
Doesn't mean a pregnant woman with a
normal, healthy pregnancy, well nourished
and feeling good is in any danger of her
liver being damaged. Just means that
the process of pregnancy-the normal
natural functions that the body is
actually doing while growing another body
within itself-does make for an extra work
load on the liver.
The old term, "toxemia", is what is now
called "pre-eclampsia". There are very
few obstetricians who have the nutritional
training to understand the actual process
that is going on which can lead to the
high blood pressure and dangerous liver
overwork of this late pregnancy syndrome.
What midwives the world over (and in
many other westernized, modern countries,
it is the midwives who are the primary
care providers for pregnancy-only calling
on the surgical specialists-the
obstetricians-to work under their referral
in a situation that goes beyond normal)
know well is that, especially in late
pregnancy but also throughout the
pregnancy, nutrition to support the liver
function is one of the most important
things one can do to ensure a healthy
pregnancy and birth. Midwives
statistics, by the way, on birth outcomes
and overall health for both mother and
baby, are far better than the american
westernized medical version of care.
Ibuprofen being a "blood thinner" is not
an issue unless you are about to actually
give birth. I'm not even certain that
it is, frankly, but unless you have some
type of clotting disorder (as many elders
do-for that person who made the comment
about their grandparent) a normal amount
of ibuprofen for a short term pain issue
such as a hurt tooth is perfectly safe.
The blood volume of a pregnant woman goes
way up anyway, to support the extra tissue
being built both by her baby and by her
uterine muscles in readiness for birth.
It is this added blood volume, by the way,
that requires more work of the liver.
Just because an obstetrician would tell
you to use tylenol does not make it safe
or appropriate. If you ask them about
liver effects, the only american doctors
who will tell you anything are the ones
who deal regularly with people who have
long term liver diseases, and if they know
what they are talking about
nutritionally-some do, some don't-they
will say the same thing i've said.
Blessings,
fiora
if ob's are uncapable of directing a women
through the medical needs of pregnancy,
than who in the world is qualified?
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Lalee
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Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 991 Location: South Carolina
Posted: 04-09-06 22:31pm
fiorastar
wrote:
midwives statistics, by the
way, on birth outcomes and overall health
for both mother and baby, are far better
than the american westernized medical
version of care.
and i'm sure that has .N.O.T.H.I.N.G at
all to do with the fact that, as soon as
something goes wrong with a delivery, the
midwives have to turn the mother and baby
over to real doctors....
"f ob's are uncapable of directing a women
through the medical needs of pregnancy,
than who in the world is qualified?"
"and i'm sure that has .N.O.T.H.I.N.G at
all to do with the fact that, as soon as
something goes wrong with a delivery, the
midwives have to turn the mother and baby
over to real doctors...."
thank you! I was goint to post the same
points.
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QueenBee2_3
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 194 Location: CT U.S.
Posted: 04-10-06 09:22am
You can't take .Tylenol 3 but you can take
extra strenth .Tylenol as long as you take
it exactly as directed. No other pain
meds unless you get the ok from your ob
first.
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tigresacanela24
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Joined: 11 Nov 2005 Posts: 5261 Location: Treat your children well, eventually they'll choose your nursing home.
Posted: 04-10-06 10:12am
nataliachick7
wrote:
also, the issue with the
liver being overworked is overexaggerated.
This only applies to people who would be
using excessive amounts of tylenol for an
extended period of time. Basic tylenol
is the safest pain reliever for pregnant
women.
Tylenol 3 prob not bc it has codeine.
But you dont necessarily need something
that strong.
i so disagree. I do not use tylenol at
all. My grandfather died from tylenol.
He did not use "excessive amounts". My
ex-boyfriend's daughter died from tylenol.
He gave her one childrens tylenol tab
and 2 teaspons of a children's cold
medicine that contained tylenol. That
was her first dose of each and it proved
to be too much for her. I have another
relative who died from tylenol in her
20's. Tylenol is not safe for everyone.
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Sunflower_pie81
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Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 5041 Location: to hell with this crap
Posted: 04-10-06 10:57am
fiorastar
wrote:
i will stick by what I said
before.
Tylenol (acetominophen) is taxing to the
liver. Pregnancy is also taxing to the
liver-it simply is part of the process.
Doesn't mean a pregnant woman with a
normal, healthy pregnancy, well nourished
and feeling good is in any danger of her
liver being damaged. Just means that
the process of pregnancy-the normal
natural functions that the body is
actually doing while growing another body
within itself-does make for an extra work
load on the liver.
The old term, "toxemia", is what is now
called "pre-eclampsia". There are very
few obstetricians who have the nutritional
training to understand the actual process
that is going on which can lead to the
high blood pressure and dangerous liver
overwork of this late pregnancy syndrome.
What midwives the world over (and in
many other westernized, modern countries,
it is the midwives who are the primary
care providers for pregnancy-only calling
on the surgical specialists-the
obstetricians-to work under their referral
in a situation that goes beyond normal)
know well is that, especially in late
pregnancy but also throughout the
pregnancy, nutrition to support the liver
function is one of the most important
things one can do to ensure a healthy
pregnancy and birth. Midwives
statistics, by the way, on birth outcomes
and overall health for both mother and
baby, are far better than the american
westernized medical version of care.
Blessings,
fiora
i just wanted to say that I was having
wisdom tooth problems and spoke with my ob
about it and she said that she could give
me something but nothing is as safe to
take as tylenol. So I did take extra
strenght tylenol. I am not too sure what
pre-eclamsia has to do with the whole
converstaion. Because I did have it,
there was nothing wrong with my liver.
There aren't any studies on what is safe
for pregnant wemon to take bacause they
can't do tests on pregnant wemon. I
would just go by what your doctor said to
do and do that. I wouldn't take anything
without asking your ob first. As long as
my ob says that it's ok....I dont' have a
problem taking tylenol. I guess it's up
to you and your doctor. Also I am taking
a low dose baby asprin because of the
whole blood clot issue. But I am taking
one pill a day 50mil. Ibuprofen isn't
safe, but then again I am going on what my
doc has told me.
I guess every doc and patient is differnt.
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fiorastar
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 22 Location: Oregon
Posted: 04-10-06 14:05pm
lalee
wrote:
fiorastar
wrote:
midwives statistics, by the
way, on birth outcomes and overall health
for both mother and baby, are far better
than the american westernized medical
version of care.
and i'm sure that has .N.O.T.H.I.N.G at
all to do with the fact that, as soon as
something goes wrong with a delivery, the
midwives have to turn the mother and baby
over to real
doctors....
actually, no it doesn't have anything to
do with that.
The statistics I am speaking of are for
normal, healthy pregnancy and childbirth.
They do not include complications that
require the help of a specialist.
Midwifery care is nonmedical care for
assistance with normal, healthy women who
have normal, healthy pregnancies.
Midwives are very well trained to not only
help a woman maintain her health, but also
to recognize a situation that is
developing outside the range of normal.
Very few situations do, by the way.
There is a wide range of care provided
that can keep a developing condition from
getting to a "high risk" category that
would preclude home birth or birth with a
midwife in hospital.
Because a midwife works nonmedically, the
amount of time she spends with a client
prenatally and during labor is crucial.
A normal prenatal visit with a midwife
will last for 1-2 hours, and the midwife
will not only take all the necessary
vitals-heart tones of the baby, blood
pressure of the mom, etc-she will also
check urine for a complete list of
possible conditions. She also spends
time discussing any concerns with both
parents, explaining and training in
excellent nutrition and good care, and
preparing the parents for childbirth.
Before the birth itself, there will be at
least one home visit to the parents home
to just look over the situation-get a
sense of where the birth will take place,
make any recommendations, etc.
She will be available to the parents 24/7
by phone, or if there seems to be a need,
in person, throughout the pregnancy and
postpartum, as well as being there in
person throughout the labor and for a
couple of hours at least after the baby is
born.
Try to get that kind of attention from an
obstetrician!
This is the reason the statistics are so
good-the midwife becomes almost a member
of the family and gets to know the family
so well that she can see things developing
early-and intervene appropriately.
An ob is a surgical specialist. If
something beyond the scope of midwifery
care is needed, an ob is a valuable member
of the birth team and very necessary if
the pregnancy becomes high risk or surgery
is needed. However, in the majority of
pregnancies, the woman is not in a medical
condition-she is in a normal process that
the human body (as all mammals) was
designed to do, and does extremely well.
Intervention of a medical nature when it
is not necessary tends to lead to a
snowball effect that then leads to more
medical intervention.
Again, if you question my years of
training and experience, that's fine.
There are several books on the subject.
I would recommend anything by anne frye,
as I said before.
Also michel odent-a french obstetrician
who set up a birth hospital in france
according to midwifery principals and who
speaks at a number of midwifery
conventions.
Ina may gaskin was a pioneer of the modern
midwifery movement, and her book
"spiritual midwifery" is a classic from
the 70's, but has been recently updated.
Ina may has been instrumental in beginning
and developing mana-the midwives alliance
of north america, to create a national
certification system since the laws
governing midwifery practice are extremely
varied in this country (everything from
legal and funded by state health care, in
oregon, to illegal in illinois, and a wide
range in between).
Again, the statistics I speak of have to
do with normal healthy pregnancies, and do
not include "high risk" pregnancies that
do and should go to medical
professionals.
Check it out.