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Meandering Away

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Posted: 04-22-06 12:15pm


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sandyallen

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Posted: 04-22-06 19:59pm


I do not care what anyone says their are those that feel as if it is like it is a bad cancerous tumor that needs to come out and if you are not living in that person's shoes you will not understand. For those of you pro-lifer's, you are looking at more unnecessary deaths, especially those that need abortions because you have to wait until after you go through all of the red tape(poltics) and by then a lot of times you will find that it will be too darn late, so you just say let the mother and the fetus die, that is how pro-life and understanding you are aandif they ar saved then they can die after they are born because a lot of these mothers do not want them and don't want them later either and they do not want to put them up for adoption either amd when they get sick they do not want to take care of them or feed them or clean them up. Yes, you don't want abortion but you don't understand that a lot of these babies and kids cannot survive on no care or love. I know what awaits you after a termination! Someone said that they have had one surgery, try, 23, and assisted with several and have seen death, several and have had surgeries where they have put you on a breathing machine and have seen un-loved children beaten todeath and females tryng to perform their own abortion and have been in a war and have seen their friends blown-up, losing body parts, that freak-out and cannot handle the war and will never be the same. Half of you do not realize what you do have, when we are given choices for reasons that a lot of you do not understand. That is why I still stand on my ground that a baby is not a baby until he/she enters that birth canal or the doctors give them time of birth, I do not care how others feel this is me. I do care about how they feel about there feelings, when they are hurt, sick and upset but I do not judge either and I do have my own feelings because I am me and I am more understanding then most because I am for choice. So good luck to you all

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Posted: 04-23-06 08:57am

sandyallen wrote:

for those of you pro-lifer's, you are looking at more unnecessary deaths, especially those that need abortions because you have to wait until after you go through all of the red tape(poltics) and by then a lot of times you will find that it will be too darn late, so you just say let the mother and the fetus die

again sandyallen we never debate here about the medically necessary abortions. What we pro-lifers are against is the perfectly healthy pregnancies (which are over 90% of all abortions)

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Posted: 04-23-06 12:40pm

lolbahlolbah147 wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

what we pro-lifers are against is the perfectly healthy pregnancies (which are over 90% of all abortions)

you can prove this? Just because she terminates an upp, doesn't mean it was "healthy" either. 30% to 50% of all pregnancies end in non viable fetuses. Can you really claim 100% of the 90% are going to gestate to term with no physically/mental problems to the fetus?

can you prove that they won't carry a perfevtly healthy offspring to full term?

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Posted: 04-23-06 19:17pm


Yes, you can, when a fetus is not maturing when a fetus is pretty well smashed to death and when you see it it is pretty well factual. I would rether see a fetus injured than a baby injured and killed. If you work in a hospital and in social services and have to do both jobs in a hospital you might understand especially after living in an abusive relationship.

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Posted: 04-23-06 19:21pm

cowboys wrote:

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nightangel73 wrote:

moo I don't understand what is your problem. I mean we are real people and what she reads here is what people will tell her in the real world. She should know everything, she should know what awaits for her, how people will think about her etc, how she may feel etc..I'm actually saying in the forum, you should think of the number of people emailing her. I'm sorry if I dissapointed in the forum but what this lady is going to do aborting a baby at 15 weeks is awful and no way in the world I could reinforce (if this what you call support) her decision on doing such a brutal thing.

yeah and so it's right to show a 16 week old fetus when the one she wants to abort is only 15 weeks old....

yes seeing has it will be of that gestation or older when she has the abortion.

you did not read her post right. She was aborting at 15 weeks, when she posted she was at 13 or 14 weeks. Her fetus was not going to be 16 weeks, it was only going to be 15 weeks.

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Nightangel Posted: 04-23-06 19:31pm


What I am talking about is that if abortion were to become illegal such as my friends abortion with no exceptions that dies as she needed one and no dr would give her one because it was illegal at the time, she was told that she had to go through the red tape to get one and due to the fact that it took so long that they both dies and if it is illegal again(abortion) it will happen again. Their are times when people need an abortion that they cannot wait, that it nees to bee done soon and they cannot wait and it will either be a yes or a no vote just like before, even though it was still done it could not be done illegally for her and some of the others with her bleeding and all, thaat is why so many died with the illegal abortions and that is why their were soo many botched abortions. Not all were necessary in that era, that is why their needs to remain a choice.

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Posted: 04-23-06 19:41pm

sandyallen wrote:

I would rether see a fetus injured than a baby injured and killed.

i would rather see none of them injured.

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Posted: 04-23-06 22:16pm

nightangel73 wrote:

sandyallen wrote:

I would rether see a fetus injured than a baby injured and killed.

i would rather see none of them injured.

so would we all, but the world is not a perfect place.

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Posted: 04-24-06 05:55am

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so would we all, but the world is not a perfect place.

that's why I am christian. God promised us a perfect place after we die.

and he said, "jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." and he said to him, "truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise." luke 23:35-43

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Posted: 04-24-06 10:00am

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eiri wrote:

so would we all, but the world is not a perfect place.

well then wait for that life. But while you're here, remember that the rest of use live a far more practical life; because we believe that life is the greatest gift, and life is what we should be living for, not death.

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Posted: 04-24-06 10:14am


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Posted: 04-24-06 12:23pm

cowboys wrote:

eiri wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

eiri wrote:

so would we all, but the world is not a perfect place.

unless of course you are fetus hey eiri.

yes. Remember the "be practical" part of that post? Sometimes, life ain't perfect.

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Posted: 04-24-06 15:24pm

lolbahlolbah147 wrote:

diamond splinter wrote:

lolbahlolbah147 wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

what we pro-lifers are against is the perfectly healthy pregnancies (which are over 90% of all abortions)

can you prove that they won't carry a perfevtly healthy offspring to full term?

can'y answer the question, hjuh fundie?

i will say this nicely and I will say this once please do not directly post to me as I refuse to debate with somebody who hasn't a civil bone in their body.

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Posted: 04-24-06 22:14pm

eiri wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

eiri wrote:

so would we all, but the world is not a perfect place.

definetly I wait for paradise. Meanwhile I do my best so that I earn the paradise. It aint that easy to get there.

I totally agree that life is the greatest gift, gift from god! Fetuses should not be aborted so they too can have the greatest gift. We shouldn't look for their death, but their living.

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Posted: 04-24-06 23:36pm

nightangel73 wrote:

eiri wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:

eiri wrote:

so would we all, but the world is not a perfect place.

we don't purposly look for their death; but the life of the mother is far more important to us, since she is already in life, completely part of the world.

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Posted: 04-25-06 06:12am

eiri wrote:

we don't purposly look for their death; but the life of the mother is far more important to us, since she is already in life, completely part of the world.

for you pro-choicers the mother is more important, for us pro-lifers every life is important, whether we are fetus or not.

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Posted: 04-25-06 15:50pm


Nightangel73 wrote: for you pro-choicers the mother is more important, for us pro-lifers every life is important, whether we are fetus or not. Lemme get this straight, if the mother will die then the baby should die too right? I mean the mother is sick and she is just as important as the baby and since you can't save them both your option should be for both of them to die right? No i'd bet you'd save the unborn child even if the mother had a 90% for recovery if she aborted. You don't give a crap about the mother all you care about is breeding like crazy. For what purpose i'll never know.

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Posted: 04-25-06 17:23pm

draken wrote:

nightangel73 wrote:
for you pro-choicers the mother is more important, for us pro-lifers every life is important, whether we are fetus or not.

Lemme get this straight, if the mother will die then the baby should die too right? I mean the mother is sick and she is just as important as the baby and since you can't save them both your option should be for both of them to die right? No i'd bet you'd save the unborn child even if the mother had a 90% for recovery if she aborted. You don't give a crap about the mother all you care about is breeding like crazy. For what purpose i'll never know.

draken why the anger?
As a mother I should expect to give my life in exchange of that of my baby it is called being a mum.

Who are you to tell me whether I care about the woman or not you don't know me and I assume that by breeding like crazy you mean taking responsibility for a live created within you then yes we breed like crazy and I make no apology for it.

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Posted: 04-25-06 19:19pm


When you lose your mother at a young age it makes a big difference in life! My .Mother had a life before I came along I would have gladly been aborted if she would have had a longer happier life. She started getting sick when I was 5 years old, they said it was a slipped disk and then told her it was melonoma cancer, she became bed-ridden and wanted to die at home, which she did. My mother was christmas, my birtday and all the other holidays that I can remember, my .Dad was the .Easter bunny and .Santa claus. I would have rather had been aborted to this day than my .Mom giving birth to me and you can call me anything you want, that is my feelings because I loved my mother. I have talked to women that have lost their mother in birth and you do not know the guilt they feel. So maybe you pro-lifer's should put feelings 1st. If I would hve been aborted it probably would have given my mom and their mom's some value time because those of you that are mother's knows what giving natural birth takes out of you.