Can Gout Be Triggered By Activity? Posted: 05-02-06 09:22am
I am 33, have had gout for about 3.5 years
that I know of. Might of had it for 5-6
years if I think back to times when my
feet / toes were sore after long days on
them.
1st let me say that doctors are tools.
The 1st time I was diagnosed with this the
doctor printed something directly off of
the internet for me to read. Simple,
here ya go, have a nice day, take this
medicine kind of answer. The next doctor
saw that there was something more here and
sent me for therapy in thought that it may
have been an injury that never healed
properly. Next I went through a chain of
specialists including a podiotrist and
ruematologist (sp?). I was diagnosed for
several things that never stuck. The
only real one that they all concluded on
was gout but could never explain the
constant pain that I had even with
treatment. Had an mri and several blood
tests but never a test of the fluid in the
joint affected (my right ankle). Ua
levels in blood always come back elevated
but in the normal range. I don't
remember the numbers but that is what I
was told. I think that it is gout and
maybe something else. Maybe even damage
to the joint though xrays and the mri have
showed up fine except for the excessive
fluid that forms in my ankle.
Took colchicine for 1 year. Seemed to
help out but I always have a soreness /
off pain in my right ankle. It is more
of an uncomfortable annoying pain than a
painful one if that makes any sense. I
take indocin for attacks but probably
don't take it long enough. As soon as I
feel it gone I stop and I hear that you
should go 7-10 days no matter what. Same
with colchicine I take it when I feal an
attack coming on (3 on day 1, 2 on day 2,
and 1 a day for a couple of weeks). I
have been trying the bs but have not been
measuring any ua levels and don't know
that I have been taking it steadily
enough. I was doing 1/2 teaspoon in the
am and very rarely 1/2 in the afternoon.
I still need to try this more and keep up
with it for a better assesment.
Now for my question. Can gout be
initiated by activity or heavy use of the
joint that later is affected? My
experience is yes but is this really 100%
gout since I have soreness and discomfort
in that joint even when I don't feal an
attack? Could an attack untreated have
caused much bigger damage to this joint?
Has anyone ever had surgery to correct
this?
Lastly, is is possible that I have
crystals that have found a nice home to
live in my ankle and can I evict them?
:? If so how? I understand that
alklizing the blood will help this but is
there a faster way?
This really stinks that medical science
can do all that it can in certain areas
and yet some diseases and problems are so
low on the radar screen of interest to fix
them. Makes sense though as they can
make more money off of drugs and doctor
visits for ilnesses that are not life
threatening.
I wanted to punch the ruematologist square
in the face when he said it was not about
fixing the problem rather it was about
managing the pain. I was very ready to
give him some pain to manage. Sorry for
the violent outbreak there, I just want
the pain to stop - it is not manageable
until it is gone.
Thanks. I have seen your site and find it
very informative. Regarding the baking
soda, I have tried it briefly and worked
about a month ago so well that I stopped
taking it a very short time after the pain
was gone. I have been taking it for 1.5
days now (as I have a pretty bad attack
right now). We'll see. I will give it
more of an effort this time.
I literally just got back from having my
ankle drained just now. Well, what they
could anyways. This was be my 1st crystal
test. For those needing to get one done,
it is not that bad. I envisioned a giant
cattle needle and a mad scientist holding
it up with two hands saying (don't move
this one is a little tricky). :)
i was pretty upfront with the doctor this
time. Told him that all i'm interested in
is getting that test done and that was it.
I also asked him the same old questions
looking for contradiction. I did ask him
about bs and he said there is not
scientific research that proves that
works. Great then I guess if there is no
research on something that it is not true?
That is the kind of mentality that stops
science from progressing.
I eat well and avoid most of the foods on
the don't touch list, don't drink, but do
work long hours sometimes (note: I have an
office job). Never the less I do burn
myself out and sometimes forget to get a
good nights sleep.
The more I learn about gout, the more I
hate it. Everytime I think i'm doing good
I get a good kick in the pants lesson from
gout. Don't eat this or that, don't move
around too much, don't drink, don't take
cold medication, etc.
Here is something strange... Everytime I
go for an xray (got another today) they
always point out this chip of bone that is
loosly floating in my ankle. Then they
say it is nothing. Well duh! I'm not a
doctor but some clues are just right there
in your face. Maybe they are right
though.
Gas prices rising, taxes rising, and gout!
All things that I can count on in life.
Brian
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nremondelli
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Posted: 05-06-06 07:03am
I am in a similar boat. Thirty-one and
have had it for about six years. Just
lingering pain in my toe. Enough to stop
me from running. My doctors told me (2
now) that working the joint does not cause
gout only diet and of course bad genes.
I disagree. Every ime I start to
excersize again it hurts again. I am
startin to think however, that I am not
giving it enough time to heal first. I
wait until it doesn't hurt anymore and
then I think I am cured.
Good luck
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kokako88
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Legendary Herbal Formula For Gout Posted: 05-07-06 22:41pm
Wild lingzhi formula stops pain, cleanses
uric acid & crystals in blood steams
and joints, and disposes them as toxic
wastes naturally. Herbs and correct
natural foods that's all, no drugs.
To be "master" not "slave" of gout, an
effective natural approach.
I found this little bit about lactic acid,
the same tyope of acid muscles produce
when excersizing heavily
*when alcohol is digested, a form of acid
(called lactic acid) is produced. Heavy
alcohol intake leads to enough lactic acid
in the blood that it competes with uric
acid for excretion by the kidney. If
levels of lactic acid are high enough, the
blood level of uric acid rises.
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Haresh
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Posted: 10-27-07 13:33pm
yes, heavy use of joint can trigger gout.
crystals accumulated during a prolonged
gouty attack can be removed with a surgery
but it can gather again in future attacks.
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Sloth97
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Exercise And Gout Posted: 12-11-07 00:23am
I'm no doctor but have suffered gout for
over 10 years. I'm a runner and it stinks
when I get gout in my foot. I've had it
in my foot, elbow, finger, toes, ankles,
shoulder and possibly my hips and knees
but it's hard to tell if it's gout of just
general pain. I tend to get it only on my
left side which is strange.
As far a excerise, I get it a lot less
often when I exercise regularly. The
longest times without gout is when I'm
able to run all the time. Sometimes, my
knees won't allow me to run so I ride a
stationary bike but that's not the same.
I've actually experimented and gone
running when I have gout. It's torture
when I start and I have to start walking
first and then build up to a jog. It
definitely helps for a short period but It
comes back when I sit for periods of time
or when I sleep. What does help though is
exercising when I first feel the gout
coming on. If its in my finger, I will
used some sort of squeezing device to get
movement in that area. I work on a
computer at work and if it's in my foot, I
will bring a baseball, take off my shoe
and press it to the floor with my foot and
role it around. This seems to help stop
the gout from becoming acute. When it's
acute, it's too late. Colchicine is my
friend in those cases.
My gout attacks at night when I sleep and
sometimes I don't know it's coming until
it's too late. I know most people die
between the hours of 2am to 5am and that's
when your acid levels are the highest
which is probably why gout comes on at
those times.
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Makoto
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Posted: 12-21-07 11:11am
I think working out and gout are
connected. But I also think that a lack of
hydration is a factor. Latic acid build up
might be a consideration, but I think lack
of water is more of a concern. I also
think heavy pounding on a joint can bring
on attack there if conditions are right.
To prevent this, make sure you have lots
of water in your body. When you sweat
alot, make sure you also use your baking
soda. It works well.
For me, summer is a time when I sweat
alot, and it is a time when I get a few
attacks. While winter, is not a time where
I get many attacks.
I wonder also if lack of sleep or being
tired affects gout. I think it does.
that was interesting. i have suffered from
gout for over twenty years. i retired from
the fire department cause of it. due to
steroid treatment i have gained over 200
lbs, this was also caused from my
inactivity due to extreme pain. i was
misdiagnosed for 5 years when it started.
i had an incident when i was an emt. i got
food poisoning and had the worst case in
my life. i almost lost my left foot
because of no circulation. after extensive
steroid treatment it went away. i had a
bone scan done four years ago and it
revealed that gout had deteriorated my
joints in my ankles, knees and wrist. i
have a huge gouty legion on my right wrist
and my wrist is deformed. two days ago i
had swelling around my eye socket and jaw
and i had fluid drained from it and low
and behold it was gout. i was one in one
million to get in in my face. i am the
exception i guess. i am currently on
colchicine and naproxin. they help alot
better than anything else i was on. if i
get sick, dehydrated or hurt myself i
usually get the worst cases of gout. more
so than when i eat or drink the wrong
thing. i don't drink alcohol, and i
definitely dont eat right. stress and
things of that nature also cause severe
gout in me. it has gotten the best of me
and i am only 38 years old. i am due for
joint replacements in the next few years.
it is a very scary illness that cause
severe pain and malice. i wish doctors
would quit saying that it is just what you
eat or drink and actually do more
research. also your uric acid levels do
not have to be elevated to have an attack.
sometimes it is only in the joint that is
affected. it would have to be drained to
find it. just wanted to pass along some
info.
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stanl
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Posted: 12-28-07 20:12pm
>
> i had an incident when i was an emt.
i got food poisoning and had the worst
> case in my life.
This is interesting. About 10 days before
I got my very first gout attack (3 weeks
ago) I got food poisoning. (The suspect
was fresh ginger from China which might
have been sprayed with a pesticide called
aldicarb.)
I lead a pretty healthy lifestyle so I was
surprised I got gout and have been trying
to figure out what could have caused it.
Food poisoning was on my list of
suspects.
Stan
By the way, what is emt?
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Arnie Bean
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All 3 Teas = Green; White Tea And Oolong Posted: 12-29-07 01:59am
WHITE TEA IS RESEARCHED AS BEING
UN-PROCESSED SO IT GETS HIGH REMARKS FROM
RESEARCH...
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TallMikey
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Soreness From Exercising Posted: 01-11-08 20:44pm
I am SURE that it has something to do with
lactic acid.
I am 37 now, used to play pro basketball,
and when I am out of shape and go
exercise, the "sore days" (i.e. the day
after and day after that) I have an
attack. It's happened so many times I can
count on it. Those are the days that I am
sore (which is caused by Lactic Acid in
muscles.) Guess it is a good reason to
stay either in shape or out of shape!!!
Thing is I am rail thin. I don't
understand why I have this gout.
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JYY2
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Re: Soreness From Exercising Posted: 01-12-08 01:01am
Hi TallMikey,
Read that long distance cyclists take
baking soda in water with them for the
trip. The purpose is to neutralize the
extra lactic acids produced during the
long ride. It may help prevent gout
attacks triggered by heavy exercise too.
If you try, would you let us know if
baking soda in water works? Check with a
doctor before trying.
May I ask what is your blood uric acid
level and the amount of uric acid excreted
in 24 hours? Thanks.
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TallMikey
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Re: Soreness From Exercising Posted: 01-12-08 11:04am
JYY2
wrote:
May I ask what is your blood uric acid
level and the amount of uric acid excreted
in 24 hours?
Thanks.
How do I find this out? I'm just getting
into this self-regulationand treatment, so
if you could kindly point me to some
resources. I would also like to test my
blood PH levels. Thanks!
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JYY2
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Posted: 01-12-08 15:25pm
The blood UA test, 24-hour urine UA
excretion test, and blood pH test, are
normally ordered through doctor's office.
The (arterial) blood pH test is rarely
done unless a person is under certain
medical emergency. You can test the urine
pH yourself using a pH paper.
The blood UA level and the amount of UA
excreted in urine a day, are very useful
info in managing gout. Studies have shown
that if we can maintain the blood UA level
under 5~6 mg/dL, the crystals will
dissolve thus can prevent future gout
attacks. This usually requires medication
and may take months or years for the
crystals to disappear.
The pH and the amount of UA in urine can
tell us if steps are needed to increase UA
excretion and to prevent kidney stones and
kidney failure. If the amount of UA
excretion is too low, it is beneficial to
increase the excretion rate using
Sulfinpyrazone, Probenecid, Losartan, etc.
However, if UA excretion is too high and
the urine pH is too low, one needs to cut
these medicines and alkalize the urine to
prevent UA kidney stones and kidney
failure.
"The pH of the body" is a general and
vague expression. Medically, the pH of
the arterial blood and anion gap (AG)
obtained from blood electrolyte test , are
used to diagnose acidosis and alkalosis,
the serious medical conditions. For
others, "the pH of the body" may mean the
pH of the urine, or some other general and
value conditions. While the pH of the
urine is normally positively correlated
with the pH of the blood, it is not always
so. For patients whose kidneys are unable
to excrete acids in the urine, they will
have normal or high urine pH and lower
than normal blood pH, i.e., acidosis, a
serious condition. As for gout patients,
it is important to keep the pH around the
joint at normal level to avoid gout
attacks. Heavy exercise, as well as lack
of exercise, can both cause changes of the
pH around the joints and trigger gout
attacks.
More gout info can be found at
ICuredMyGout.org . Take care.
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JYY2
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Posted: 01-12-08 20:20pm
Hi ralftheeskimoboy,
Sorry you have such sever gout.
you said you are taking colchicine and
naproxin. But aren't you also taking uric
acid (UA) lowering drugs such as
Allopurinol, Probenecid, or
Sulfinpyrazone? If you can keep your
blood UA level under 5~6 mg/dL, the urate
crystals will dissolve and prevent your
joints from further damages.
Rasburicase is a very potent injectable
which can lower the blood UA level down to
less than 1 mg/dL and clean out a lot of
UA from the body. More info can be found
at:
A similar drug, PEG-uricase is in Phase 3
study and may be available in the near
future.
If you haven't, I strongly suggest that
you see a good rheumatologist. Good luck
and take care.
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TallMikey
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Posted: 01-12-08 22:35pm
Thanks JYY2, your info is very helpful! I
think mine has a lot to do with my PH
level. I'm going to try to really lower
this. I was living in Europe for a few
years where my Gout subsided, however I
was eating and drinking "worse" than I am
now from a purine standpoint. However I
drank "sparkling water" (i..e. club soda)
all the time, which might have been a
simple thing but lowered my PH enough to
not have Gout affect me.
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Panache
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Intense exercise DOES trigger gout! Posted: 01-20-08 22:54pm
I am 31 yrs old and have had gout for 7
yrs now. For the first 6 years, I could
not find a significant link between
exercise and gout, probably because my ua
level was still 'relatively' low. A year
ago, my attacks became more frequent and I
noticed a pattern to it. After an intense
bout of aerobic exercise (HR 180 for 15-20
min), I will get an acute attack 80% of
the time within the next 2 days, despite
ample hydration and being on allopurinol.
I came across the above paper last month.
Since then, I have resumed regular
exercise (3X a week), but at reduced
intensity (HR 150 for 30 min). I also
stopped allopurinol. I have not had an
attack in 2 weeks now. If as the paper
says, ua level is elevated by 40% for 2
days after intense exercise, then this is
not only a trigger point for acute gout,
but could also have been contributory to
my ua buildup over the past 7 years! Geez!
I wish someone told me earlier!
If you too suffer from exercise-induced
gout, please try lowering the intensity of
your workout and publish your results! I
will update again soon.
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Gwalch
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Posted: 01-22-08 07:34am
Exercise definitely does it to me. In
fact, for a few years before I was
diagnosed, I had some symptoms that would
appear after beginning to exercise (sharp
pains in foot when I woke up that went
away after I warmed up) after being out of
shape for a while. At the time, I figured
it was because I'm kind of a big guy
(210-220 pounds when in decent shape) and
ran on less than ideal terrain, but in
hindsight they were probably warning signs
that I was developing gout.
I have discovered something called
"soda-loading" that athletes use before an
intense competition. The amount of lactic
acid that builds up in the blood from
heavy exercise can cause serious fatigue
and less efficient removal of waste, so
athletes take large doses of baking soda
before races as a ph buffer. Something
like 5 teaspoons. Tests were done, and it
was shown that 800 meter runners gained a
significant advantage (several seconds)
from soda loading. The 800 is a grueling
race that combines both aerobic and
anaerobic ability, so it builds up a lot
of lactic acid from the combination of
effort and time.
My guess would be that the combination of
acid formation from lactic acid and
carbonic acid, stress to the joint and
dehydration caused by exercise could all
contribute to gout. But this doesn't mean
you can't exercise -- only that you should
be careful and take precautions. Perhaps
take a teaspoon of baking soda in water
before exercise (ask doctor first), be
careful to rehydrate after you have
finished, and then take a warm footbath
and a little more baking soda before bed.
If you're really worried maybe take a
couple hundred milligrams of ibuprofen
before going to bed, too. I've found that
a half teaspoon of baking soda and 200
milligrams of ibuprofen before bed is
usually enough to avoid a gout attack even
if I feel one coming on.
BTW, has anyone noticed that taking baking
soda decreases one's craving for salt? I
hardly salt my food at all when using it.
I'm actually starting to wonder whether
the practice of using table salt doesn't
contribute to gout, because it substitutes
for natural sources of sodium that are
found in more alkaline food and water. I
think JYY2 may be on to something that has
implications far beyond just gout.
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