trina1
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Posted: 05-23-06 23:47pm
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If there was a birth control method out
there that was 100% all the time...Do you
think this would mean there would be an
end to all abortions...Except those done
out of medical necessity????
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Carifairy
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Posted: 05-24-06 00:26am
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It would not end all abortions no...
There will always be women who cannot use
hormones if it is a hormonal method, like
me, I cannot use hormones..I use an iud.
There may be women who depending on the
method do not qualify for health reasons
etc.. Some women may also not be able to
afford it, which would be a pity.
I believe a 100% birth control method
would be wonderful, but it would not stop
all abortions.
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trina1
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Posted: 05-24-06 00:38am
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I am thinking there would also be the
women who don't like to mess with any kind
of birth control....And the women who
either use it improperly or forget to use
it. So while we talk birth control and
education on bc.....We still would have a
certain percentage of abortions for no
other reason than choice....Even if the
birth control available was 100%.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 05-24-06 06:07am
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We will definetly keep having abortions
left and right. If you use condoms and
birth control pill at the same time it is
no way to be pregnant but you see the huge
number of abortions we have regardless.
Nature will always favor procreation so
it's difficult to go against nature.
Sterilization is available but then a
great number of women who abort want to
have children later in life when they are
ready. If we had better parenting and
people could just wait a little longer to
have sex when they are more mature and in
a good relationship abortion rates would
hugely decrease.
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Posted: 05-24-06 07:47am
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I assume you mean hormonal birth control,
in which case not every woman would be
able to use it, as the previous replies
have stated. I myself am not entirely
crazy about putting hormones into my body,
and I had a horrible time remembering to
take the pills. Nature doesn't like us
screwing with her, so no matter what,
she'll probably always find a way through
human barriers. Foolproof birth control
would not stop all abortions - it might
make the number of abortions go down, but
not disappear. I'm really trying to
imagine foolproof birth control - I mean,
sterilization sometimes fails.
I would assume that such effective birth
control would cost a pretty penny, and it
begs the question of how many women could
afford it. Since the idiots who run this
country have passed the law that doesn't
allow birth control to be covered by
insurance, women might get screwed over
when it comes to a price to pay. Even if
birth control was foolproof, women would
still need to have the abortion option
available.
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Posted: 05-24-06 15:18pm
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wrote: | I mean, sterilization
sometimes fails.
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that is extremely rare. I knew of one
that did and it was because the surgeon
didn't cut well the tubes. That's for a
woman for a man that is sterilized, with
sperm counts that are zero is no way he
can get a woman pregnant. Sterilization
well done is foolproof and is not
expensive.
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Posted: 05-24-06 15:41pm
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The failure rate for female sterilization
is aroun 1 in 200 and male sterilization
is 1 in 2000 in the years following the
operations so, whilst it's by far the most
effective way to prevent pregnancy, nothing
is foolproof.
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trina1
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Posted: 05-24-06 16:51pm
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The originial question was "if" there was
a fullproof method....Would it change
anything? Obviously....Both sides seem to
agree that even if there was a birth
control method out there (other than
abstinence) that was 100%....There would
still be women that "chose" not to use it,
used it improperly, forgot to use it, or
couldn't use it. So while a fullproof
method might cut the amount of
abortions....It is pretty much general
consensus that some women would still feel
the need for abortions other than out of
medical necessity. Thank you all for
answering.
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Posted: 05-24-06 17:13pm
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Allright seriously, enough with this name
calling!!!!!'
trina1...
I believe that better bc education is
going to be a great start, especially if
we could get a 100% fool proof method!!
I have an iud, and while it is the most
effective contraception out there,
technically there is always a chance.
I would take a 100% birth control method
if it was not hormonal..Like say they made
a new iud that was 100%
somehow..Fabulous!
I think better education is going to be
necessary.. I work at planned parenthood
pt, and I would say 100% of women I see
daily are using birth control, or come to
get it.. So these women are truly being
educated, and are being proactive.
I think that we need a better education
policy for women who sink below the cracks
so to speak, women who do not know much
about sex or sex ed.
I believe that being proactive about your
health means being proactive about birth
control, if you do not want to concieve
that is.. I certianly would not call
women who are ttc babies un proactive..
I also believe we need more funding for
low income women to get low cost and free
birth control education..We also need a
way to let them know they can get it for
free!!! So many women do not know how to
get it for free
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trina1
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Posted: 05-24-06 17:30pm
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Cari....I agree totally and always
have....That education is the key. It is
amazing how many women on both sides of
the issue are really uneducated about
their own bodies or how they can protect
themselves. This very question was
brought up on another site....And while
some thought that a birth control method
that was 100% would be the solution to
dramatically decreasing the number of
abortions....Most felt like here....That
there would always be that percentage that
even fullproof birth control wouldn't work
for.
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Posted: 05-24-06 18:03pm
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| carifairy
wrote: | allright seriously, enough
with this name calling!!!!!'
trina1...
I believe that better bc education is
going to be a great start, especially if
we could get a 100% fool proof method!!
I have an iud, and while it is the most
effective contraception out there,
technically there is always a chance.
I would take a 100% birth control method
if it was not hormonal..Like say they made
a new iud that was 100%
somehow..Fabulous!
I think better education is going to be
necessary.. I work at planned parenthood
pt, and I would say 100% of women I see
daily are using birth control, or come to
get it.. So these women are truly being
educated, and are being proactive.
I think that we need a better education
policy for women who sink below the cracks
so to speak, women who do not know much
about sex or sex ed.
I believe that being proactive about your
health means being proactive about birth
control, if you do not want to concieve
that is.. I certianly would not call
women who are ttc babies un proactive..
I also believe we need more funding for
low income women to get low cost and free
birth control education..We also need a
way to let them know they can get it for
free!!! So many women do not know how to
get it for
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i would like that the price of birth
control is lower or free. Unfortunatetly
that is not going to happen as that is big
business and companies want to make good
money. Planned parenthood I know have low
birth control rates but in no heavens way
I will ever step my feet in such a place
to get birth control pills. What would
like is that pharmacies everywhere do have
such rates. Carifairy is there any other
place aside planned parenthood or any
other abortion facility where one can get
birth control pills at a discounted
rate?My insurance actually covers it
(generic is free but I can't use generic)
if you know let me know.
Even if low cost birth control won't help
much to lower abortion rates it will help
for the ones using it :)
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Posted: 05-24-06 18:58pm
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Actually not all planned parnethood
locations perform abortions..But if you do
have an aversion to pp I do have some
advice...
Local county health departments have
'family planning' services, they do paps,
mammograms etc...
They also accept insurance too if you
have it! My ins does'nt cover name brand
or iud's, so I bought mine at pp and they
gave me a discount=)
you could get a pap at the health
department, and explain to the doc that
you cannot take generics.. They actually
give free birth control at the charlotte
mecklenburg health department.. You get
the exam, and they stock you up! The
problem is that the health department can
take a few weeks to get into. But there
are a few women I know who have ins who
get their bc free from health department
because they do not like generics..It is
not uncommon, generics are slightly
different..
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Carifairy
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Posted: 05-24-06 19:06pm
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Trina..
I do think abortion rates would fall with
100% bc, definately, I am not saying that
it won't...
I don't mean this in a negative way, but
I feel you will know what I am getting
at.... There are always going to be women
who are 'fools' about their healthcare and
bodies, perhaps they have some inner
issues or soemthing, but there will be
women 'hard to reach'.. Hopefully this
will be few and far between in the future,
because I really hate to see women who do
take care of their bodies. You know, some
people have to learn lessons the hard way,
and as much as I do not like seeing that,
I realize it happens.
Like young women who have lots unprotected
promiscuous sex, I try and educate people
on safer sex with condoms etc... I am not
promiscuous, I cannot say that I like the
idea for myself, but I realize that others
may choose that. So I try and educate
them.. They may get a disease and learn
the hard way that they need condoms.
You know when I got pregnant on the pill
I was shocked, i'll admit I was 18 and
married, and thought "i am one smart
cookie".. I knew about birth control,
thought I was smart... I also have
athsma, no doctor told me anti biotics
decreased bc pills, not even the
pharmacist. I learned..
I think that sex ed should be a constant
venture, people should always be trying to
get the word out about safe sex.
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trina1
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Posted: 05-24-06 20:52pm
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Cari...I know exactly what you are saying.
Even if the education and the 100% birth
control were out there....There would
still be those that ignored it....Or
didn't care. I think really that is the
way it is with everything.
Funny you should mention anti-biotics and
the pill. I have a friend who has been on
the bill for well over 20 years and her
Dr. Just recently told her that
anti-biotics can decrease the pill. I
think pehaps that should be something
women are told up front. Unfortunately
most aren't.
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Posted: 05-24-06 22:24pm
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Yes the birth control package says that
anti biotics and birth control do
interact, but at 18 I did not read that
info, I though I was smart enough to know
what I needed to know.
My planned parenthood office has memos
etc..In the waiting room that says that
birth control and anti biotics interact.
I believe that this is something that is
very common knowledge right now for most
women, although there will be some
uninformed women. Being uninformed
does'nt make them stupid, we just need to
get them informed.
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trina1
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Posted: 05-25-06 08:21am
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| carifairy
wrote: | yes the birth control
package says that anti biotics and birth
control do interact, but at 18 I did not
read that info, I though I was smart
enough to know what I needed to know.
My planned parenthood office has memos
etc..In the waiting room that says that
birth control and anti biotics interact.
I believe that this is something that is
very common knowledge right now for most
women, although there will be some
uninformed women. Being uninformed
does'nt make them stupid, we just need to
get them
informed. |
exactly...And back when my friend started
taking them....Package info didn't come
with the pills....So she had taken them so
long....She never even paid attention to
the package info when they started
including it. Like she said when her Dr.
Was telling her about
anti-biotics.....Even if you think you
know what you are taking....It never hurts
to read.
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Posted: 05-25-06 09:01am
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A society that promotes contraception
promotes sexual intercourse between two
human beings unwilling or not ready for a
possible child, the result can only serve
to increase abortion numbers.
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Posted: 05-25-06 09:01am
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tr> | i would like that
the price of birth control is lower or
free. Unfortunatetly that is not going to
happen as that is big business and
companies want to make good
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contraception is free in this country but
the abortion rate is still high and I
personally believe that it's the lack of
decent sex education which mainly
contributes to this. The information
available at family planning clinics is
amazing and when I first started taking
birth control I was told everything which
could possibly affect it's efficiency.
If there were a birth control which were
100% effective then I do believe the
number of abortions would fall but it
certainly wouldn't eradicate it
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Posted: 05-25-06 15:00pm
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I do agree with you moo that abortion has
been around for many of years and will be
aroud for many more unless they put the
100% proof b/c in the water system for
both men and women.
Their are some students that will listen
to sex-ed and their will be others that
can not be bothered, thinking that it will
not not happen to them, that they will not
get pregnant or get someone pregnant or
end up with std's, I mean it is great for
those that do listen but it is kind of
like like b/c it is not 100%. Look at
some of those that have had sex-ed that
still get pregnant and still get std's,
even some of the older one's.
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Posted: 05-25-06 15:42pm
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Not true izzy.. Swedeb has th lowest
abortion rates, and lowest maternal
mortality rates.
Sweden allows abortion on demand.. Sweden
also has the highest contrceptive usage
for teenagers...
Yet their teen abortion and teen pregnancy
rates are lower than anywhere else...
This is common knowldge you can find on
the internet.
Married couples do not always want to have
children.
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