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trina1

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Posted: 05-23-06 23:47pm

If there was a birth control method out there that was 100% all the time...Do you think this would mean there would be an end to all abortions...Except those done out of medical necessity????
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Posted: 05-24-06 00:26am

It would not end all abortions no...

There will always be women who cannot use hormones if it is a hormonal method, like me, I cannot use hormones..I use an iud. There may be women who depending on the method do not qualify for health reasons etc.. Some women may also not be able to afford it, which would be a pity.

I believe a 100% birth control method would be wonderful, but it would not stop all abortions.
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Posted: 05-24-06 00:38am

I am thinking there would also be the women who don't like to mess with any kind of birth control....And the women who either use it improperly or forget to use it. So while we talk birth control and education on bc.....We still would have a certain percentage of abortions for no other reason than choice....Even if the birth control available was 100%.
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Posted: 05-24-06 06:07am

We will definetly keep having abortions left and right. If you use condoms and birth control pill at the same time it is no way to be pregnant but you see the huge number of abortions we have regardless. Nature will always favor procreation so it's difficult to go against nature. Sterilization is available but then a great number of women who abort want to have children later in life when they are ready. If we had better parenting and people could just wait a little longer to have sex when they are more mature and in a good relationship abortion rates would hugely decrease.
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Posted: 05-24-06 07:47am

I assume you mean hormonal birth control, in which case not every woman would be able to use it, as the previous replies have stated. I myself am not entirely crazy about putting hormones into my body, and I had a horrible time remembering to take the pills. Nature doesn't like us screwing with her, so no matter what, she'll probably always find a way through human barriers. Foolproof birth control would not stop all abortions - it might make the number of abortions go down, but not disappear. I'm really trying to imagine foolproof birth control - I mean, sterilization sometimes fails.

I would assume that such effective birth control would cost a pretty penny, and it begs the question of how many women could afford it. Since the idiots who run this country have passed the law that doesn't allow birth control to be covered by insurance, women might get screwed over when it comes to a price to pay. Even if birth control was foolproof, women would still need to have the abortion option available.
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Posted: 05-24-06 15:18pm

cambion wrote:
I mean, sterilization sometimes fails.



that is extremely rare. I knew of one that did and it was because the surgeon didn't cut well the tubes. That's for a woman for a man that is sterilized, with sperm counts that are zero is no way he can get a woman pregnant. Sterilization well done is foolproof and is not expensive.
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Posted: 05-24-06 15:41pm

The failure rate for female sterilization is aroun 1 in 200 and male sterilization is 1 in 2000 in the years following the operations so, whilst it's by far the most effective way to prevent pregnancy, nothing is foolproof.
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Posted: 05-24-06 16:51pm

The originial question was "if" there was a fullproof method....Would it change anything? Obviously....Both sides seem to agree that even if there was a birth control method out there (other than abstinence) that was 100%....There would still be women that "chose" not to use it, used it improperly, forgot to use it, or couldn't use it. So while a fullproof method might cut the amount of abortions....It is pretty much general consensus that some women would still feel the need for abortions other than out of medical necessity. Thank you all for answering.
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Posted: 05-24-06 17:13pm

Allright seriously, enough with this name calling!!!!!'

trina1...

I believe that better bc education is going to be a great start, especially if we could get a 100% fool proof method!!
I have an iud, and while it is the most effective contraception out there, technically there is always a chance.
I would take a 100% birth control method if it was not hormonal..Like say they made a new iud that was 100% somehow..Fabulous!

I think better education is going to be necessary.. I work at planned parenthood pt, and I would say 100% of women I see daily are using birth control, or come to get it.. So these women are truly being educated, and are being proactive.

I think that we need a better education policy for women who sink below the cracks so to speak, women who do not know much about sex or sex ed.
I believe that being proactive about your health means being proactive about birth control, if you do not want to concieve that is.. I certianly would not call women who are ttc babies un proactive..

I also believe we need more funding for low income women to get low cost and free birth control education..We also need a way to let them know they can get it for free!!! So many women do not know how to get it for free
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Posted: 05-24-06 17:30pm

Cari....I agree totally and always have....That education is the key. It is amazing how many women on both sides of the issue are really uneducated about their own bodies or how they can protect themselves. This very question was brought up on another site....And while some thought that a birth control method that was 100% would be the solution to dramatically decreasing the number of abortions....Most felt like here....That there would always be that percentage that even fullproof birth control wouldn't work for.
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Posted: 05-24-06 18:03pm

carifairy wrote:
allright seriously, enough with this name calling!!!!!'

trina1...


I believe that better bc education is going to be a great start, especially if we could get a 100% fool proof method!!

I have an iud, and while it is the most effective contraception out there, technically there is always a chance.

I would take a 100% birth control method if it was not hormonal..Like say they made a new iud that was 100% somehow..Fabulous!


I think better education is going to be necessary.. I work at planned parenthood pt, and I would say 100% of women I see daily are using birth control, or come to get it.. So these women are truly being educated, and are being proactive.


I think that we need a better education policy for women who sink below the cracks so to speak, women who do not know much about sex or sex ed.

I believe that being proactive about your health means being proactive about birth control, if you do not want to concieve that is.. I certianly would not call women who are ttc babies un proactive..


I also believe we need more funding for low income women to get low cost and free birth control education..We also need a way to let them know they can get it for free!!! So many women do not know how to get it for free


i would like that the price of birth control is lower or free. Unfortunatetly that is not going to happen as that is big business and companies want to make good money. Planned parenthood I know have low birth control rates but in no heavens way I will ever step my feet in such a place to get birth control pills. What would like is that pharmacies everywhere do have such rates. Carifairy is there any other place aside planned parenthood or any other abortion facility where one can get birth control pills at a discounted rate?My insurance actually covers it (generic is free but I can't use generic) if you know let me know.

Even if low cost birth control won't help much to lower abortion rates it will help for the ones using it :)
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Posted: 05-24-06 18:58pm

Actually not all planned parnethood locations perform abortions..But if you do have an aversion to pp I do have some advice...

Local county health departments have 'family planning' services, they do paps, mammograms etc...
They also accept insurance too if you have it! My ins does'nt cover name brand or iud's, so I bought mine at pp and they gave me a discount=)

you could get a pap at the health department, and explain to the doc that you cannot take generics.. They actually give free birth control at the charlotte mecklenburg health department.. You get the exam, and they stock you up! The problem is that the health department can take a few weeks to get into. But there are a few women I know who have ins who get their bc free from health department because they do not like generics..It is not uncommon, generics are slightly different..
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Posted: 05-24-06 19:06pm

Trina..

I do think abortion rates would fall with 100% bc, definately, I am not saying that it won't...

I don't mean this in a negative way, but I feel you will know what I am getting at.... There are always going to be women who are 'fools' about their healthcare and bodies, perhaps they have some inner issues or soemthing, but there will be women 'hard to reach'.. Hopefully this will be few and far between in the future, because I really hate to see women who do take care of their bodies. You know, some people have to learn lessons the hard way, and as much as I do not like seeing that, I realize it happens.
Like young women who have lots unprotected promiscuous sex, I try and educate people on safer sex with condoms etc... I am not promiscuous, I cannot say that I like the idea for myself, but I realize that others may choose that. So I try and educate them.. They may get a disease and learn the hard way that they need condoms.

You know when I got pregnant on the pill I was shocked, i'll admit I was 18 and married, and thought "i am one smart cookie".. I knew about birth control, thought I was smart... I also have athsma, no doctor told me anti biotics decreased bc pills, not even the pharmacist. I learned..
I think that sex ed should be a constant venture, people should always be trying to get the word out about safe sex.
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Posted: 05-24-06 20:52pm

Cari...I know exactly what you are saying. Even if the education and the 100% birth control were out there....There would still be those that ignored it....Or didn't care. I think really that is the way it is with everything.
Funny you should mention anti-biotics and the pill. I have a friend who has been on the bill for well over 20 years and her Dr. Just recently told her that anti-biotics can decrease the pill. I think pehaps that should be something women are told up front. Unfortunately most aren't.
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Posted: 05-24-06 22:24pm

Yes the birth control package says that anti biotics and birth control do interact, but at 18 I did not read that info, I though I was smart enough to know what I needed to know.


My planned parenthood office has memos etc..In the waiting room that says that birth control and anti biotics interact. I believe that this is something that is very common knowledge right now for most women, although there will be some uninformed women. Being uninformed does'nt make them stupid, we just need to get them informed.
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Posted: 05-25-06 08:21am

carifairy wrote:
yes the birth control package says that anti biotics and birth control do interact, but at 18 I did not read that info, I though I was smart enough to know what I needed to know.
My planned parenthood office has memos etc..In the waiting room that says that birth control and anti biotics interact. I believe that this is something that is very common knowledge right now for most women, although there will be some uninformed women. Being uninformed does'nt make them stupid, we just need to get them informed.


exactly...And back when my friend started taking them....Package info didn't come with the pills....So she had taken them so long....She never even paid attention to the package info when they started including it. Like she said when her Dr. Was telling her about anti-biotics.....Even if you think you know what you are taking....It never hurts to read.
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Posted: 05-25-06 09:01am

A society that promotes contraception promotes sexual intercourse between two human beings unwilling or not ready for a possible child, the result can only serve to increase abortion numbers.
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Posted: 05-25-06 09:01am

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i would like that the price of birth control is lower or free. Unfortunatetly that is not going to happen as that is big business and companies want to make good money

contraception is free in this country but the abortion rate is still high and I personally believe that it's the lack of decent sex education which mainly contributes to this. The information available at family planning clinics is amazing and when I first started taking birth control I was told everything which could possibly affect it's efficiency.

If there were a birth control which were 100% effective then I do believe the number of abortions would fall but it certainly wouldn't eradicate it
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Posted: 05-25-06 15:00pm

I do agree with you moo that abortion has been around for many of years and will be aroud for many more unless they put the 100% proof b/c in the water system for both men and women.
Their are some students that will listen to sex-ed and their will be others that can not be bothered, thinking that it will not not happen to them, that they will not get pregnant or get someone pregnant or end up with std's, I mean it is great for those that do listen but it is kind of like like b/c it is not 100%. Look at some of those that have had sex-ed that still get pregnant and still get std's, even some of the older one's.
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Posted: 05-25-06 15:42pm

Not true izzy.. Swedeb has th lowest abortion rates, and lowest maternal mortality rates.

Sweden allows abortion on demand.. Sweden also has the highest contrceptive usage for teenagers...

Yet their teen abortion and teen pregnancy rates are lower than anywhere else...

This is common knowldge you can find on the internet.

Married couples do not always want to have children.
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