my mom has me forbidden to
have an abortion, she has been clear on
that topic with
me.
so what? Your mom can forbid you to do
many things. It isn't her choice.
Whjat a great mother you will be...
Not! Hopefully, you will be cursed with
failed pregnancy after failed pregnacy.
No child deserves to be brought up knowing
they are not allowed free will to choice
things they want. Going to forbid them
to go to a college of their choice?
Going to forbid them to marry a person you
don't like? What else are you going to
control in your child's life under the
cover of "if you don't do what I want, you
will be
unloved?"
of course I am not going to forbid them to
go to the college of their choice. If I
don't like the person whom they going to
marry, no I wouldn't forbid them to marry
them, I just would not give of my money
for such wedding if they ask. The love
will be there for them no matter what.
And no absolutetly with me my kids won't
do whatever they want like that. I was
raised not being able to do whatever I
wanted and today I am succesful woman.
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Posted: 05-28-06 19:44pm
carifairy
wrote:
your parents can forbid you
to eat prok if they do not believe in
eating pork, but does that mean you cannot
have your own beliefs????
Yes sure you can have your own beliefs.
Look, what would you rather have your
daughter do nightangel? All teens pretty
much know you do not need parental cosnent
for an abortion, you get a judicial
bypass. Would you rather them tell you,
and you be informed? Or would you rather
them hide behind your back?
If it is abortion, I prefer they rather
not tell me. Hey you know my mom don't
want to hear if I have sex with my bf so I
never tell her.
Hide behind your back then later in life
say "mom I wanna be a better parent than
you because you could not be there for me
no matter
what"...
hey my kid wouldnt be able to say that
because I will be there to support the
grandchildren and the pregnancy. But
abortion you are talking about my child
going to kill my grandchild, this is
different. I can't let that happen, im
not going to be accomplice of that
killing. If they think I am a bad parent
for not supporting the abortion decision
so be it, I don't care one bit cause I
know that is the correct thing.
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Cambion
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Posted: 05-28-06 23:10pm
Quote:
my mom has me
forbidden to have an abortion, she has
been clear on that topic with
me.
how can your mother forbid you from
controlling your own body? Do you live
under her roof, and she has made you
promise not to abort or something like
that? Does she track you wherever you go
to make sure you don't go near any
abortion clinics? Saying your mother
allegedly forbids you from seeking an
abortion is like saying your mother
forbids you from going to work or taking a
shower. If it makes you happy that your
mother cares so little about your body,
then I won't protest. But geez if my mom
was like that, i'd be sticking her in the
cheapest and worst possible nursing home I
could possibly find, and then move as far
away as I could get.
Quote:
if they think I
am a bad parent for not supporting the
abortion decision so be it, I don't care
one bit cause I know that is the correct
thing.
wowww...I pity any children you have or
may have if you would go so much out of
your way to ensure they didn't abort any
unwanted children. So you would rather
have your daughter give birth to a child
she doesn't want just so you can be happy,
rather than consider how the daughter will
feel? I hate to tell you, but forced
birthing doesn't save babies - it just
paves the way for them for a life of
neglect and abuse, and I don't blame women
one bit who were forced to keep their
children and they neglect or beat them.
Maybe said daughter would want to keep the
child, and you'd be peeing your pants with
joy over that...But if the girl didn't
want to keep the child, you'd go off on a
tizzy because, heaven forbid, she would
want to keep her life and her sanity
intact when she wasn't ready for a child.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 05-29-06 04:41am
cambion
wrote:
how can your mother forbid
you from controlling your own body? Do
you live under her roof, and she has made
you promise not to abort or something like
that? Does she track you wherever you go
to make sure you don't go near any
abortion clinics? Saying your mother
allegedly forbids you from seeking an
abortion is like saying your mother
forbids you from going to work or taking a
shower. If it makes you happy that your
mother cares so little about your body,
then I won't protest. But geez if my mom
was like that, i'd be sticking her in the
cheapest and worst possible nursing home I
could possibly find, and then move as far
away as I could
get.
are you having a laugh here or what, you
yourself said you would basically do what
her mother would but the other way round,
you would love your daughter for aborting
but kick her out for having a child.What a
freaking hypocrite you are.If you have
children and I pray that you never do, I
hope they feel the same and stick you who
wishes to control their bodies into the
cheapest nastiest care home ever, you have
no respect for anyone but yourself, you
really do remind me of that other child
hater myra hindley.
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Cambion
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Posted: 05-29-06 08:48am
Quote:
are you having a
laugh here or what, you yourself said you
would basically do what her mother would
but the other way round, you would love
your daughter for aborting but kick her
out for having a child.What a freaking
hypocrite you are.If you have children and
I pray that you never do, I hope they feel
the same and stick you who wishes to
control their bodies into the cheapest
nastiest care home ever, you have no
respect for anyone but yourself, you
really do remind me of that other child
hater myra hindley.
the stupidity of some of the people on
this board is sometimes scarily
incredible. You're missing one little
point, though - in my other post you spoke
of, I said I would be supportive of an
abortion. I never said I would force it
on my [imaginary] daughter, nor did I ever
say I would forbid her to keep the child.
She could keep it if she wanted, but she'd
get kicked out of my home. Why don't you
actually try reading what I post instead
of making things up and throwing names at
me?
Apparently, you have little respect for
anyone but yourself either, so perhaps you
shouldn't be telling other people what
they may or may not be when you aren't
exactly a paradigm of perfection yourself.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 05-29-06 14:42pm
cambion
wrote:
Quote:
are you having a
laugh here or what, you yourself said you
would basically do what her mother would
but the other way round, you would love
your daughter for aborting but kick her
out for having a child.What a freaking
hypocrite you are.If you have children and
I pray that you never do, I hope they feel
the same and stick you who wishes to
control their bodies into the cheapest
nastiest care home ever, you have no
respect for anyone but yourself, you
really do remind me of that other child
hater myra hindley.
the stupidity of some of the people on
this board is sometimes scarily
incredible. You're missing one little
point, though - in my other post you spoke
of, I said I would be supportive of an
abortion. I never said I would force it
on my [imaginary] daughter, nor did I ever
say I would forbid her to keep the child.
She could keep it if she wanted, but
she'd get kicked out of my home. Why
don't you actually try reading what I post
instead of making things up and throwing
names at me?
Apparently, you have little respect for
anyone but yourself either, so perhaps you
shouldn't be telling other people what
they may or may not be when you aren't
exactly a paradigm of perfection
yourself.
you are right your stupidity knows no
bounds, you would throw your daughter out
if she kept the child, hers would throw
her out if she had an abortion, you would
let her stay if she aborted the child,
hers would let her stay if she kept the
child, sounds exactly the same stupid
controlling mentality, so why dont you
stop trying to twist what you say to back
pedal because your hypocrisy as been
exposed.By the way threatening to kick her
out of the house if she does keep the
child is forcing her to have an abortion,
just how stupid are you.So how about you
type what you mean and stop trying to
backpedal when you have been caught.I have
respect for those that have earned my
respect as I expect to be respected by
those whose respect I have earnt, you I do
not care about, you are some person on the
internet I do not want nor do I need your
respect.
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Posted: 05-29-06 15:37pm
After the past few posts here and I am not
talking about cambion and I am not
mentioning anyother names here that a lot
of teens, pre-teens, etc, cannot go to
there parents about such things as
abortions, dating, too many parents are
not open-minded enough or understanding
enough when it comes to even their own
kids being pregnant, sure, it may be your
grandkids but it is their baby-to be and
they should have their choice 1st they had
something to do about it 1st, it should be
their choice, if the parents could open
up, the kids could talk to them instead of
these laws being made to where the kids
going behind the parents back getting an
abortion, my kids friends came to me
before they went to their own families
because they knew that I was open and
understanding, to me, you are not only
their parents, you are also their friend,
someone to talk to, someone that
understands and you can say you disagree
but it is thre life and they must make the
decision, right or wrong.
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Posted: 05-29-06 15:45pm
Quote:
you are right
your stupidity knows no bounds, you would
throw your daughter out if she kept the
child, hers would throw her out if she had
an abortion, you would let her stay if she
aborted the child, hers would let her stay
if she kept the child, sounds exactly the
same stupid controlling mentality, so why
dont you stop trying to twist what you say
to back pedal because your hypocrisy as
been exposed.By the way threatening to
kick her out of the house if she does keep
the child is forcing her to have an
abortion, just how stupid are you.So how
about you type what you mean and stop
trying to backpedal when you have been
caught.I have respect for those that have
earned my respect as I expect to be
respected by those whose respect I have
earnt, you I do not care about, you are
some person on the internet I do not want
nor do I need your respect.
you seem to have something against fully
reading anything I write, so i'm not going
to explain anything again, considering
your skull is far too thick for anything
to penetrate. What nightangel's mother
seems to be doing, according to her post,
is forcing birth by forbidding abortion
(even if nightangel has no problem with
this) - where in my post did I ever say I
would try to force my daughter to do
anything? I would not force her to abort,
nor would I force her to keep the child -
the choice would be hers, and if she chose
the one I am against, she would have to
pay the price. Simple as that. Also, how
in the world would I be "forcing" her to
have an abortion if I threw her out of the
house for keeping the child? Would a coat
hanger magically rape her as she sat
outside, wondering what to do? Yet
another one of your two-watt comments that
makes absolutely no sense.
All i'd be doing is giving her a swift
kick into adulthood, even if she wasn't
ready; as I said before, if she felt she
was enough of an adult to handle being a
parent, then she can do what most adults
do and find her own place to live and get
a job. I absolutely would refuse to be a
free babysitter or pay for all the stuff
the child would need because the teen girl
would have been too dumb to take necessary
action to avoid screwing her life up for
the next few years. Sorry, but I have
absolutely no pity for teens who are dumb
enough to get knocked up and think life
will be all perfect and beautiful with a
baby in it. It's not stupidity - it's
called "teaching a stupid teen a hard
lesson".
Just as I am little more than an internet
entity to you, you are as much to me. I
don't care whose respect I earn - i'm not
here to earn respect from anyone. I come
here to post, and if people agree with me,
then great. If they don't, well, that's
fine because, unlike some stupid people on
here, I know and understand that people
will always have differing opinions from
mine. I don't care if you don't respect
me, and since you can't accept the simple
fact that my opinion is different from
yours, I have no respect for you, either.
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Cambion Posted: 05-29-06 16:23pm
Hopefully that nightangel never has a rude
awakening where she has to decide whether
to abort or allow the fetus to be born and
to suffer the rest of its life when it
could have been aborted or that she has a
rebellious child because we do know that
their is that chance. It kind of reminds
me of some guys that I have known in my
lifetime that cannot let go of there
mothers apron strings and then one day,
they are not there for the guys and they
are totally lost because they never had a
mind of their own as it was always ther
mom who ran there lives. It is really
kind of sad, that is why I have pretty
much allowed my kids to make their own
decisions. She would not even pay for
her daughters wedding if she did not like
the guy, heck, this guy could be great,
she is not sleeping with him, however, it
is her choice, (lol), just imagine how her
daughter would feel. Nightangel, you
have sooooo much to learn, my son-in-law
would not be marrying me, he would be
marrying my .Daughter and all I could do
is hope for the best, heck, I sure would
not want to see the one my parents picked
out for me. The best to you nightangel!
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Re: Cambion Posted: 05-29-06 20:59pm
sandyallen
wrote:
hopefully that nightangel
never has a rude awakening where she has
to decide whether to abort or allow the
fetus to be born and to suffer the rest of
its life when it could have been aborted
or that she has a rebellious child because
we do know that their is that chance.
It kind of reminds me of some guys that I
have known in my lifetime that cannot let
go of there mothers apron strings and then
one day, they are not there for the guys
and they are totally lost because they
never had a mind of their own as it was
always ther mom who ran there lives. It
is really kind of sad, that is why I have
pretty much allowed my kids to make their
own decisions. She would not even pay
for her daughters wedding if she did not
like the guy, heck, this guy could be
great, she is not sleeping with him,
however, it is her choice, (lol), just
imagine how her daughter would feel.
Nightangel, you have sooooo much to learn,
my son-in-law would not be marrying me, he
would be marrying my .Daughter and all I
could do is hope for the best, heck, I
sure would not want to see the one my
parents picked out for me. The best to
you
nightangel!
sandyallen in my case I could only have an
abortion if it is medically necessary. I
would not abort even if they tell me that
the baby will come to earth with down
syndrome. As having a rebellious child I
have seeing that first hand with my
brother who was homosexual and drug addict
and died at my young age. I do sure can
learn more with more experience. I said I
would not pay for my daughter wedding if I
don't like the guy, but realize that I
will have a good reason, should I not
approve such wedding I must see real bad
signals for example that I discover he is
a drug addict or womanizer. This is of
course a hypothethical example because my
plan is to have enough friendship with a
future daugther where we are able to talk
openly about everything. Like abortion
will be same way. My plan is to openly
talk about sex to them, tell them what has
happened to me, what I have learn etc. So
something like having an abortion on my
back will not be likely to happen. I will
for sure give my children my opinion on
their relationships like my parents always
have given me opinions about my bf's.
They have always made an accurate
judgement. I have had bf's where my dad
has said watch it that guy is going to
leave you and exactly that has happened.
I still yet have to prove my dad wrong!
Sandyallen I can honestly tell you that
since my parents live in my house they
tend to be a bit controlling but it is
nothing like they run my life and that
without them I would be lost. I have
barely ever met people like that in my
life anyways. I dated a guy one time who
was living with his mother and was afraid
to date gals because he was afraid of
being judged like you describe. In my
country it is so different. It is parents
nature that you want that they do what you
would because you have more experience and
know better and you want the best for your
children. My bf's dad said to me this
weekend that there is a common trait in
all succesful young adults. That is that
they listen to their parents. I agreed
with him.
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Posted: 05-30-06 04:35am
cambion
wrote:
where in my post did I ever
say I would try to force my daughter to do
anything? I would not force her to abort,
nor would I force her to keep the child -
the choice would be hers, and if she chose
the one I am against, she would have to
pay the price.
.
This in itself is a threat, do as I want
or pay the price.
You really cannot see can you.Take off
your im right all the time glasses and see
that threatening to kick a child out if
she does not make your choice, not her
choice, does constitute forcing her to
make your choice, just because you are
against having a child just has her mother
is against having an abortion, if you
cannot see this then you are wasting my
time by posting to me, you are threatening
her that if she does not make the choice
you want then she will have to pay the
price, but should she kill her baby to
please you then everything will be ok,
when will you stop trying to wriggle out
of it, you made the statement and I read
it fully it is you who is trying to
backpedal so you do not appear to be as
controlling as nightangels mother, when it
is fact that you are.As for you having no
respect for me, like I care what you
think, I cannot understand people like you
who would force their choice onto their
child wether it be to keep or abort the
child.I am pro life and as I have stated
before I would support my daughter 110% in
whatever choice she
decided to make.I would give her the same
love either way, I would not threaten her
to make her chose to keep the child, that
is tantamount to child abuse, what next if
you don't like her choice of
man/clothes/tv are you going to kick her
out because she has a mind of her own and
does not blindly follow you.
Ps you will not explain it again because
you cannot explain it away, you wish to
controll your daughters reproductive
system and that is the fact.
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Posted: 05-30-06 04:45am
cambion the dictator
wrote:
also, how in the world would
I be "forcing" her to have an abortion if
I threw her out of the house for keeping
the child? Would a coat hanger magically
rape her as she sat outside, wondering
what to do? Yet another one of your
two-watt comments that makes absolutely no
sense.
.
Are you really that stupid, did you
complete your education, to throw a
pregnant child out of your house onto the
streets with no money no house no job and
you think that by telling her this is
going to happen if she decides to keep the
child and that if she aborted the child
then she could stay in the warmth and
security of her home does not constitute
forceing her to do what you want, then you
really are too stupid to debate with, so
how about you grow the medical question up
and accept that you are just has
controlling has those you go on about.You
are has bad as those pro lifers who think
the only moral abortion is my abortion.So
pray tell me how would a pro lifer kicking
their daughter out of the house for having
an abortion be them forcing her to keep
the child, is a baby going to magically
get into her womb whilst she is wandering
the streets.You are as dim as a two watt
light bulb and insulting me will not
detract from your do as I want or else
attitude.
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Posted: 05-30-06 06:03am
cowboys
wrote:
i am pro life and as I have
stated before I would support my daughter
110% in whatever choice she decided to make.I
would give her the same love either way, I
would not threaten her to make her chose
to keep the child, that is tantamount to
child abuse, what next if you don't like
her choice of man/clothes/tv are you going
to kick her out because she has a mind of
her own and does not blindly follow you.
cowboys if you support your daughter
having an abortion you are not pro-life
sorry. Pro-life looks after saving lifes
from abortion so if you support the
abortion of your daughter that is a being
entirerly pro-choice. I would definetly
do all in my power for my daughter to keep
the child even if she doesn't want it,
what I will say to her is to give the
child to me, I would raise it myself and
she can continue on with her life.
Cowboys in my judgement day I don't want
that god says to me that I saw a child of
mine, which I am responsible for, going to
have an abortion and that I did nothing to
prevent that from happening.
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Posted: 05-30-06 07:52am
Quote:
you really cannot
see can you.Take off your im right all the
time glasses and see that threatening to
kick a child out if she does not make your
choice, not her choice, does constitute
forcing her to make your choice, just
because you are against having a child
just has her mother is against having an
abortion, if you cannot see this then you
are wasting my time by posting to me, you
are threatening her that if she does not
make the choice you want then she will
have to pay the price, but should she kill
her baby to please you then everything
will be ok
i'm sorry, but fool logic is something
beyond me. I ask again - where in any of
my posts did I ever say I would force my
daughter to abort? If she wanted to keep
her child, that's just fine and dandy -
she just wouldn't be living with me is
all. If the will is strong enough to be a
teen mum, then she won't abort just to
make me happy. Teens have absolutely no
business keeping kids anyway.
Quote:
when will you
stop trying to wriggle out of it, you made
the statement and I read it fully it is
you who is trying to backpedal so you do
not appear to be as controlling as
nightangels mother, when it is fact that
you are.As for you having no respect for
me, like I care what you think, I cannot
understand people like you who would force
their choice onto their child wether it be
to keep or abort the
child.
i'm not "backpedaling" anything - i've
backed up everything i've said.
Apparently, you simply can't read. I'm
not controlling - I would not say to my
daughter "you're going to have an abortion
whether you like it or not!" I would very
well give her a choice in the matter
considering it is, in fact, her body and
her life. However, if her decision is the
one that will cost me more than the $400
abortion fee, then she can handle it all
by herself.
Quote:
i am pro life and
as I have stated before I would support my
daughter 110% in whatever choice she
decided to make.I would give her the same
love either way, I would not threaten her
to make her chose to keep the child, that
is tantamount to child abuse, what next if
you don't like her choice of
man/clothes/tv are you going to kick her
out because she has a mind of her own and
does not blindly follow
you.
once again, I allow my daughter to make
her own choices. I have never once said I
would force her to do anything. I'm not a
parent, but even I know that when a kid
does something the parent doesn't want
them to do, that parent will make it clear
that there will be consequences to pay.
That is no different from what I have
stated. I don't agree with having another
child in the house - figure it out from
there. I never said I wanted my daughter
to follow me - I don't need her to agree
with every last thing I believe. But when
there's a pretty strong possibility that
i'd become a free babysitter and would be
buying near everything for a child that is
not mine, I refuse to allow it to happen.
If my daughter felt she could be
responsible for an infant, then she would
get her chance to prove it when she got
her behind thrown out.
Quote:
ps you will not
explain it again because you cannot
explain it away, you wish to controll your
daughters reproductive system and that is
the fact.
if I wanted to do that, i'd force her to
get an iud. I can't control her
reproductive system, nor can I control her
decisions. Once again, you fail to read
my posts and you continue to make things
up. I figured i'd learn by now that
you're an imbecile, but somehow i'm highly
amused at how you use fool logic (tm) to
fight a battle you will never win.
Quote:
are you really
that stupid, did you complete your
education, to throw a pregnant child out
of your house onto the streets with no
money no house no job and you think that
by telling her this is going to happen if
she decides to keep the child and that if
she aborted the child then she could stay
in the warmth and security of her home
does not constitute forceing her to do
what you want, then you really are too
stupid to debate
with
like I said before, if she thinks she's
enough of an adult to have a baby, then
she should have no problem finding a job
and a home, which are nothing compared to
raising a child. So, since she thinks she
could be just so mature, finding work and
lodgings should be no problem for her,
right? She's not a "child" if she's
"responsible" enough to care for a child.
Children don't care for children - adults
care for children, and if my daughter
wanted to act like an adult, then fine.
She'd be doing it anywhere but in my
house. It's called tough love, and I
think you're the one who is too stupid to
debate since you think your opinions are
facts. Typical baby-humping fundie
pro-lifer.
Quote:
so how about you
grow the medical question up and accept
that you are just has controlling has
those you go on about.You are has bad as
those pro lifers who think the only moral
abortion is my abortion.So pray tell me
how would a pro lifer kicking their
daughter out of the house for having an
abortion be them forcing her to keep the
child, is a baby going to magically get
into her womb whilst she is wandering the
streets.You are as dim as a two watt light
bulb and insulting me will not detract
from your do as I want or else
attitude.
and how about you grow up an accept the
fact that some people have opinions that are
different from yours? if you just
can't go on another day knowing that
someone strongly opposes your views, then
perhaps you could do the mature thing and
ignore this topic. Oh wait, I forgot -
fool logic. I don't mind at all - I love
a good debate and I am not prone to giving
up. Like most people, I prefer to defend
my opinions, rather than having a person
tell me i'm wrong for *gasp* having my
own beliefs. Heaven forbid
I don't follow your thoughts.
And why in the world would you compare a
girl getting kicked out for keeping a
child to a girl getting kicked out for
aborting? Those are perfect opposites.
You really can make some eccentric
analogies. You say i'm "dim as a two watt
bulb", yet you can't seem to figure out
what a period is or the purpose it serves,
nor can you get it through your thick
skull that your opinions aren't facts. In
the case of the latter, I expect no less
from a woman hater.
Keep the stupidity coming - your attempts
at trying to convince me i'm wrong for not
agreeing with your beliefs are hilarious.
I hope you're not trying to be serious in
your posts, because you're failing
miserably.
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nightangel73
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Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 2607 Location: ,
Thanks: 17
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Posted: 05-30-06 08:39am
cambion
wrote:
once again, I allow my daughter to make
her own choices. I have never once
said I would force her to do anything.
I'm not a parent, but even I know that
when a kid does something the parent
doesn't want them to do, that parent will
make it clear that there will be
consequences to pay. That is no
different from what I have stated. I
don't agree with having another child in
the house - figure it out from there.
I never said I wanted my daughter to
follow me - I don't need her to agree with
every last thing I believe. But when
there's a pretty strong possibility that
i'd become a free babysitter and would be
buying near everything for a child that is
not mine, I refuse to allow it to happen.
If my daughter felt she could be
responsible for an infant, then she would
get her chance to prove it when she got
her behind thrown out.
Quote:
ps you will not
explain it again because you cannot
explain it away, you wish to controll your
daughters reproductive system and that is
the fact.
if I wanted to do that, i'd force her to
get an iud. I can't control her
reproductive system, nor can I control her
decisions. Once again, you fail to
read my posts and you continue to make
things up. I figured i'd learn by now
that you're an imbecile, but somehow i'm
highly amused at how you use fool logic
(tm) to fight a battle you will never
win.
Quote:
are you really
that stupid, did you complete your
education, to throw a pregnant child out
of your house onto the streets with no
money no house no job and you think that
by telling her this is going to happen if
she decides to keep the child and that if
she aborted the child then she could stay
in the warmth and security of her home
does not constitute forceing her to do
what you want, then you really are too
stupid to debate
with
like I said before, if she thinks she's
enough of an adult to have a baby, then
she should have no problem finding a job
and a home, which are nothing compared to
raising a child. So, since she thinks
she could be just so mature, finding work
and lodgings should be no problem for her,
right? She's not a "child" if she's
"responsible" enough to care for a child.
Children don't care for children -
adults care for children, and if my
daughter wanted to act like an adult, then
fine. She'd be doing it anywhere but
in my house. It's called tough love,
and I think you're the one who is too
stupid to debate since you think your
opinions are facts. Typical
baby-humping fundie pro-lifer.
Quote:
so how about you
grow the medical question up and accept
that you are just has controlling has
those you go on about.You are has bad as
those pro lifers who think the only moral
abortion is my abortion.So pray tell me
how would a pro lifer kicking their
daughter out of the house for having an
abortion be them forcing her to keep the
child, is a baby going to magically get
into her womb whilst she is wandering the
streets.You are as dim as a two watt light
bulb and insulting me will not detract
from your do as I want or else
attitude.
and how about you grow up an accept the
fact that some people have opinions that are
different from yours? if you just
can't go on another day knowing that
someone strongly opposes your views, then
perhaps you could do the mature thing and
ignore this topic. Oh wait, I forgot -
fool logic. I don't mind at all - I
love a good debate and I am not prone to
giving up. Like most people, I prefer
to defend my opinions, rather than having
a person tell me i'm wrong for *gasp*
having my own beliefs. Heaven
forbid I don't follow your thoughts.
And why in the world would you compare a
girl getting kicked out for keeping a
child to a girl getting kicked out for
aborting? Those are perfect opposites.
You really can make some eccentric
analogies. You say i'm "dim as a two
watt bulb", yet you can't seem to figure
out what a period is or the purpose it
serves, nor can you get it through your
thick skull that your opinions aren't
facts. In the case of the latter, I
expect no less from a woman hater.
Keep the stupidity coming - your attempts
at trying to convince me i'm wrong for not
agreeing with your beliefs are hilarious.
I hope you're not trying to be serious
in your posts, because you're failing
miserably.
why I am critiziced if I don't want to pay
for a daugther wedding if I don't like the
guy she is marrying? I won't forbid my
daughter to marry the guy of their choice,
but I won't just give her my money to
marry the guy if I don't like it. She
can do on her own if that's what she
wants. It is exactly like cambion say
there are consequences if kids do what we
don't want them to do. With abortion
same way if she wants to have that she
will have to do on back and I abosolutetly
won't give her one dime for it. I
figure that if she thought she was old
enough to have sex then she could figure
on her own how to get the money for it.
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diamond splinter
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 611 Location: ,
Posted: 05-30-06 09:58am
Cambion you are indeed forcing your
daughter into making the choice you want
by the fact that you would make her
homeless if she continued the pregnancy
yet be the same loving mother if she
aborted. How is that not forcing your
daughter to comply with your wishes? You
should be ashamed of yourself forced
abortion is disgusting which in effect is
what you would do to your daughter in your
own words if she aborted then all is fine
if she continued the pregnancy then she is
out in the gutter homeless you disgust me
as a human .
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emeraldcitydweller
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 10
I Would Do the Same Thing Posted: 05-30-06 12:15pm
Choosing to have a child is a decision
that an adult makes.
An adult also holds a job and lives
outside of his or her parents’ house.
In a hypothetical situation, if I had a
teenage daughter who became pregnant, she
would have three choices: abort, give it
up for adoption, or keep it and move out.
The emphasis here is choice. She chose
to have sex and get pregnant therefore she
can choose between those three options as
a result.
If she chose to keep the child, then she
would no longer be living in my house.
If she feels she is mature and responsible
enough to give birth and have a child,
then she can be mature and responsible
enough to be on her own and hold down a
job.
Of course, i'm 100% pro-choice and i'm all
for sex education in the schools (not just
abstinence-only crap) and I really don’t
think parents communicate enough with
their kids on anything, much less sex.
They think if they don’t talk about it
or they simply tell their child not to do
it and forbid them to use birth control,
they’ll keep them from having sex and
their kids will stay innocent little
angels forever. I wonder when these
parents will wake up and realize that
method is not working? Anyway, having
said that, any daughter I would have in a
hypothetical situation would probably not
end up pregnant because she would have the
protection and contraceptives she needs
and there would be an open communication
policy. Teenagers, for the most part,
end up pregnant as a result of dishonest
or negligent parenting.
Nobody is forcing anyone into abortion,
here. Adoption is a perfectly viable
option. Teenagers have no business
having and raising children, whether they
have the help of their parents or not.
Too often, they dump off the baby with
their parents and go partake in the
activities suitable for their age they
would otherwise be enjoying had they not
ended up pregnant. The children of
teenage mothers often grow up to be
teenage mothers themselves because they
are raised in such an unfavorable, awkward
environment.
I find it ironic that so many pro-life
people trumpet the adoption solution, but
then freak at the notion that a young girl
should have to give her baby up for
adoption in order to stay in the good
graces of her parents.
For what it's worth, some of the people in
this forum who are opposing cambion's
opinion may come across as a bit more
credible if they could figure out how to
use proper grammar and punctuation.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Re: I Would Do the Same Thing Posted: 05-30-06 12:40pm
emeraldcitydweller
wrote:
choosing to have a child is
a decision that an adult makes.
An adult also holds a job and lives
outside of his or her parents’ house.
In a hypothetical situation, if I had a
teenage daughter who became pregnant, she
would have three choices: abort, give it
up for adoption, or keep it and move out.
The emphasis here is choice. She
chose to have sex and get pregnant
therefore she can choose between those
three options as a result.
If she chose to keep the child, then she
would no longer be living in my house.
If she feels she is mature and
responsible enough to give birth and have
a child, then she can be mature and
responsible enough to be on her own and
hold down a job.
Of course, i'm 100% pro-choice and i'm all
for sex education in the schools (not just
abstinence-only crap) and I really don’t
think parents communicate enough with
their kids on anything, much less sex.
They think if they don’t talk about it
or they simply tell their child not to do
it and forbid them to use birth control,
they’ll keep them from having sex and
their kids will stay innocent little
angels forever. I wonder when these
parents will wake up and realize that
method is not working? Anyway,
having said that, any daughter I would
have in a hypothetical situation would
probably not end up pregnant because she
would have the protection and
contraceptives she needs and there would
be an open communication policy.
Teenagers, for the most part, end up
pregnant as a result of dishonest or
negligent parenting.
Nobody is forcing anyone into abortion,
here. Adoption is a perfectly viable
option. Teenagers have no business
having and raising children, whether they
have the help of their parents or not.
Too often, they dump off the baby with
their parents and go partake in the
activities suitable for their age they
would otherwise be enjoying had they not
ended up pregnant. The children of
teenage mothers often grow up to be
teenage mothers themselves because they
are raised in such an unfavorable, awkward
environment.
I find it ironic that so many pro-life
people trumpet the adoption solution, but
then freak at the notion that a young girl
should have to give her baby up for
adoption in order to stay in the good
graces of her parents.
For what it's worth, some of the people in
this forum who are opposing cambion's
opinion may come across as a bit more
credible if they could figure out how to
use proper grammar and
punctuation.
wow another hypocrite pops out of the
woodwork.You lot make me laugh, how can
you even call yourself pro choice, when
you say it's my way or the highway.That is
not choice, so all pro lifers are the same
as you lot, you can have the choice just
limited to adoption [ which if you had of
read, instead of just jumping in with both
feet, you would of seen that cambion made
no mention of adoption just two choices,
hers and everything is cool or keep the
baby and be thrown out] or keeping the
child.I am amazed that so many pro
choicers would try and control someones
life in such a way.I has stated before
would support my daughter no matter what
she decided.You do not throw your child
out like a dirty rag because they do not
do what you want.
emeraldcitydweller
wrote:
choosing to have a child is
a decision that an adult
makes.
what, I think you need to come back to
kansas dorothy, are you saying that the
decision to abort is made by children
only, what a laugh.Choosing to have an
abortion is a decision made by adults
aswell or are you saying anyone who has an
abortion is immature.I think that is so
derogatory to those who have found
themselves in the situation.What planet
are you on your daughter will not get
pregnant because you would teach her how
to protect herself , ever heard of
contraceptive failure, oh I forgot you are
perfect parents whos children will be
safe, haha you are such a joke, that is
has bad as saying you cannot get pregnant
first time, if that is how you intend to
teach your daughter then god help her
because she will need it.
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Meandering Away
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 535
Posted: 05-30-06 12:44pm
cambion
wrote:
Quote:
you really cannot
see can you.Take off your im right all the
time glasses and see that threatening to
kick a child out if she does not make your
choice, not her choice, does constitute
forcing her to make your choice, just
because you are against having a child
just has her mother is against having an
abortion, if you cannot see this then you
are wasting my time by posting to me, you
are threatening her that if she does not
make the choice you want then she will
have to pay the price, but should she kill
her baby to please you then everything
will be ok
i'm sorry, but fool logic is something
beyond me. I ask again - where in any of
my posts did I ever say I would force my
daughter to abort? If she wanted to keep
her child, that's just fine and dandy -
she just wouldn't be living with me is
all. If the will is strong enough to be
a teen mum, then she won't abort just to
make me happy. Teens have absolutely no
business keeping kids anyway.
Quote:
when will you
stop trying to wriggle out of it, you made
the statement and I read it fully it is
you who is trying to backpedal so you do
not appear to be as controlling as
nightangels mother, when it is fact that
you are.As for you having no respect for
me, like I care what you think, I cannot
understand people like you who would force
their choice onto their child wether it be
to keep or abort the
child.
i'm not "backpedaling" anything - i've
backed up everything i've said.
Apparently, you simply can't read. I'm
not controlling - I would not say to my
daughter "you're going to have an abortion
whether you like it or not!" I would very
well give her a choice in the matter
considering it is, in fact, her body and
her life. However, if her decision is
the one that will cost me more than the
$400 abortion fee, then she can handle it
all by herself.
Quote:
i am pro life and
as I have stated before I would support my
daughter 110% in whatever choice she
decided to make.I would give her the same
love either way, I would not threaten her
to make her chose to keep the child, that
is tantamount to child abuse, what next if
you don't like her choice of
man/clothes/tv are you going to kick her
out because she has a mind of her own and
does not blindly follow
you.
once again, I allow my daughter to make
her own choices. I have never once said
I would force her to do anything. I'm
not a parent, but even I know that when a
kid does something the parent doesn't want
them to do, that parent will make it clear
that there will be consequences to pay.
That is no different from what I have
stated. I don't agree with having
another child in the house - figure it out
from there. I never said I wanted my
daughter to follow me - I don't need her
to agree with every last thing I believe.
But when there's a pretty strong
possibility that i'd become a free
babysitter and would be buying near
everything for a child that is not mine, I
refuse to allow it to happen. If my
daughter felt she could be responsible for
an infant, then she would get her chance
to prove it when she got her behind thrown
out.
Quote:
ps you will not
explain it again because you cannot
explain it away, you wish to controll your
daughters reproductive system and that is
the fact.
if I wanted to do that, i'd force her to
get an iud. I can't control her
reproductive system, nor can I control her
decisions. Once again, you fail to read
my posts and you continue to make things
up. I figured i'd learn by now that
you're an imbecile, but somehow i'm highly
amused at how you use fool logic (tm) to
fight a battle you will never win.
Quote:
are you really
that stupid, did you complete your
education, to throw a pregnant child out
of your house onto the streets with no
money no house no job and you think that
by telling her this is going to happen if
she decides to keep the child and that if
she aborted the child then she could stay
in the warmth and security of her home
does not constitute forceing her to do
what you want, then you really are too
stupid to debate
with
like I said before, if she thinks she's
enough of an adult to have a baby, then
she should have no problem finding a job
and a home, which are nothing compared to
raising a child. So, since she thinks
she could be just so mature, finding work
and lodgings should be no problem for her,
right? She's not a "child" if she's
"responsible" enough to care for a child.
Children don't care for children - adults
care for children, and if my daughter
wanted to act like an adult, then fine.
She'd be doing it anywhere but in my
house. It's called tough love, and I
think you're the one who is too stupid to
debate since you think your opinions are
facts. Typical baby-humping fundie
pro-lifer.
Quote:
so how about you
grow the medical question up and accept
that you are just has controlling has
those you go on about.You are has bad as
those pro lifers who think the only moral
abortion is my abortion.So pray tell me
how would a pro lifer kicking their
daughter out of the house for having an
abortion be them forcing her to keep the
child, is a baby going to magically get
into her womb whilst she is wandering the
streets.You are as dim as a two watt light
bulb and insulting me will not detract
from your do as I want or else
attitude.
and how about you grow up an accept the
fact that some people have opinions that are
different from yours? if you just
can't go on another day knowing that
someone strongly opposes your views, then
perhaps you could do the mature thing and
ignore this topic. Oh wait, I forgot -
fool logic. I don't mind at all - I love
a good debate and I am not prone to giving
up. Like most people, I prefer to defend
my opinions, rather than having a person
tell me i'm wrong for *gasp* having my
own beliefs. Heaven
forbid I don't follow your thoughts.
And why in the world would you compare a
girl getting kicked out for keeping a
child to a girl getting kicked out for
aborting? Those are perfect opposites.
You really can make some eccentric
analogies. You say i'm "dim as a two
watt bulb", yet you can't seem to figure
out what a period is or the purpose it
serves, nor can you get it through your
thick skull that your opinions aren't
facts. In the case of the latter, I
expect no less from a woman hater.
Keep the stupidity coming - your attempts
at trying to convince me i'm wrong for not
agreeing with your beliefs are hilarious.
I hope you're not trying to be serious in
your posts, because you're failing
miserably.
i will not debate with a psycho who calls
me a peadophile you are just sick and
twisted and I will no longer respond to
you.I do not have to prove you are wrong
you do that all by yourself, good day to
you now leave me alone.
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diamond splinter
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 611 Location: ,
Re: I Would Do the Same Thing Posted: 05-30-06 12:46pm
emeraldcitydweller
wrote:
choosing to have a child is
a decision that an adult makes.
An adult also holds a job and lives
outside of his or her parents’ house.
In a hypothetical situation, if I had a
teenage daughter who became pregnant, she
would have three choices: abort, give it
up for adoption, or keep it and move out.
The emphasis here is choice. She chose
to have sex and get pregnant therefore she
can choose between those three options as
a result.
If she chose to keep the child, then she
would no longer be living in my house.
If she feels she is mature and responsible
enough to give birth and have a child,
then she can be mature and responsible
enough to be on her own and hold down a
job.
Of course, i'm 100% pro-choice and i'm all
for sex education in the schools (not just
abstinence-only crap) and I really don’t
think parents communicate enough with
their kids on anything, much less sex.
They think if they don’t talk about it
or they simply tell their child not to do
it and forbid them to use birth control,
they’ll keep them from having sex and
their kids will stay innocent little
angels forever. I wonder when these
parents will wake up and realize that
method is not working? Anyway, having
said that, any daughter I would have in a
hypothetical situation would probably not
end up pregnant because she would have the
protection and contraceptives she needs
and there would be an open communication
policy. Teenagers, for the most part,
end up pregnant as a result of dishonest
or negligent parenting.
Nobody is forcing anyone into abortion,
here. Adoption is a perfectly viable
option. Teenagers have no business
having and raising children, whether they
have the help of their parents or not.
Too often, they dump off the baby with
their parents and go partake in the
activities suitable for their age they
would otherwise be enjoying had they not
ended up pregnant. The children of
teenage mothers often grow up to be
teenage mothers themselves because they
are raised in such an unfavorable, awkward
environment.
I find it ironic that so many pro-life
people trumpet the adoption solution, but
then freak at the notion that a young girl
should have to give her baby up for
adoption in order to stay in the good
graces of her parents.
For what it's worth, some of the people in
this forum who are opposing cambion's
opinion may come across as a bit more
credible if they could figure out how to
use proper grammar and
punctuation.
for what it is worth no body gives a have
sex about punctuaition they in no way
detere from one's opinion
