i came across this statistics and it says
the rate of abortions for unmarried woman
is 81 vs 18 for the married in year 2001.
We would dramatically decrease abortion
rates if women just wait for sex until
married vs foolproof birth control.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 05-25-06 20:38pm
A lot of married women have babies because
they are stable and want to have babies,
that is normal.
Unmarried women have babies too, because
they want to have a baby.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 05-25-06 22:18pm
sandralynn
wrote:
so your telling me that
unmarried women are unstable and
irresponsible??
I beg to differ, dear .Carifairy...
Many women have great careers and buy
houses in their 20's these days.. Those
women also can have a meaningful
responsible long term relationship without
getting married.
These women would have no problem raising
a child.
Just because you are legally bound doesnt
make u any more responsible.
A 14 yr old can get married in some states
as long as their parents consent.. Does
that make then stable enough to have
children just becuase they have a piece of
paper stating they are
married?
sandralyn then why do you think the
abortion rate is wayyy much higher for
unmarried than for married women?
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nightangel73
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Posted: 05-25-06 22:28pm
sandralynn
wrote:
that really doesnt make
much sense.... Why would a piece of
paper stop anyone from aborting their
child??
well apparently it does so there is
something to it.
sandralynn
wrote:
people can have meaningful relationships
(long lasting meaningful relationships)
without being married.
like myself and we are planning to get
married
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Izzy
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Posted: 05-26-06 06:18am
Its not the peice of paper that stops
abortion its the fact two human beings are
in a loving (in the real sense) commited
relationship.
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Cambion
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Posted: 05-26-06 09:42am
The bonds of marriage don't save unwanted
children. Things like financial and
emotional stability are big factors that
help to decide on the abortion option for
some, as well as whether or not the woman
wants kids in the first place, be it at
that time or ever. I may not be married
yet, but if I were to conceive after I
tied the knot, I would be in an abortion
clinic faster than you could say "rusty
coat hanger", just as I would be if I
conceived now.
I would venture to say that unmarried
women seek abortions more often than
married women because men who are not
bound by marriage can run out on the woman
easier if he is only dating her. Then
again, that chart is only a statistic -
most statistics, as sandralynn said, are
nothing but random numbers made up by
someone who was too bored to amuse
themselves in any other way. Besides, the
chart dealt with "reported" abortions, and
I assume that this is some kind of
voluntary response survey, meaning that,
if it is a real statistic that was
researched, the numbers are probably not
accurate.
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Carifairy
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Posted: 05-26-06 10:37am
Okay I work in an aboriton clinics and
have had 3 aboritons myself... I can tell
you most women who come into my clinic are
ages 18-30.... Quite a few married women
do have abortions, myself included...
However, a lot of married women have
babies because they feel "married women
just don't have an abortion"
i have a good deal of money, have a house
and a stable life..Yet I do not want
children..
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Carifairy
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Posted: 05-26-06 15:56pm
I have an iud right now, and actually
became pregnant on birth control..
The number of abortions women have does'nt
matter..If you are pro choice and support
the right to choose then you support the
right to chooose regardless of how many
abortions.
I am 24 and had 3 abortions before I was
22, I use an iud which is as effective as
sterilization, so I am well protected
thank you.
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Posted: 05-26-06 19:24pm
Married or unmarried doesn't make the
whole situation, look at the rape
situation or the incest situation or the
molestation situation or the must have
situation, we do not know the whole
situation of others and we are not here to
judge. The fetus depends on the
mother-to-be past implantation or the
fetus cannot make it, if the mother-to be
comes down with a life threatening illness
and her body shuts down odds are the fetus
will not make it and if the fetus becomes
critical she must decide, I would not want
to have a baby born and knowing it did not
have a certain organ that could not be
replaced and have to be put on life
support just to pull the plug, to me that
is selfish, I have seen this done but it
is their choice if it is someone elses.
Sometimes when you love something or
someone you will let them go if you feel a
need or a must. I have seen babies born
that mothers walk away from if they are
healthy or if the mother needs her fix of
drugs, if the baby is born of toxic
poisoning and does not come back. Just
because you can get pregnant does not
always mean that you can always feel that
you can properly raise a child and their
are some women out there that have their
legitimate reasons to abort and some do
love there fetuses, it is just the way it
is @ times.
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Posted: 06-12-06 07:08am
cloud9
wrote:
geez carifairy... Birth
control if used properly is 99.999%
effective and if you get pregnant once,
the ok lightning struck but seriously,
lightning doesn't strike in the same place
3 times!
birth control rates vary, depending on
which you are using, diaphragms, for
example are around 92% effective, condoms
around 98% (less if using female condoms)
and pill rates vary depending on the brand
(mine was 96% - micronor pop). I've
become pregnant twice whilst using birth
control correctly so, yes, it does happen.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 06-12-06 14:05pm
B/c is 99.999% effective( that is a joke)
then why did I and others get pregnant
while using it correctly, it doesn't
matter how many times you get pregnant to
some females such as myself it was not
99.999% effective. Thank you .Moo for
agreeing also, I aam not saying not to use
it, I am just saying to some females it is
not 99.999% safe, oh yes, I also used a
spermicide condome with the b/c and that
is what caused me to m/c the fetus 2
months later, if I had not used the
spermicide condom they feel that I would
not have m/c, the pill was never safe with
me and some women are like that , not
everything agrees with all women, that is
why it is good to have a back up, I also
had to abort because I was on the iud,
this was years ago as the iud was moved up
to the fetuses head and the dr's knew that
the baby would have never been born normal
and I m/c another time because of the b/c
pill and the sponge, I love people that
think they know it all and they don't, oh
yes, my sister had the same problem and
the situation can be hereditary but the dr
even said that I would have problems
carrying a baby full term especially after
getting kicked in the stomach at 5 and 1/2
months pregnant and having to abort it
because of the damage to the fetus and
myself and I ended up having two large
baby's, so it goes to show you that even
they can be wrong. And I was married at
all times.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 06-13-06 05:21am
sandyallen
wrote:
b/c is 99.999% effective(
that is a joke) then why did I and others
get pregnant while using it correctly, it
doesn't matter how many times you get
pregnant to some females such as myself it
was not 99.999% effective. Thank you
.Moo for agreeing also, I aam not saying
not to use it, I am just saying to some
females it is not 99.999% safe, oh yes, I
also used a spermicide condome with the
b/c and that is what caused me to m/c the
fetus 2 months later, if I had not used
the spermicide condom they feel that I
would not have m/c, the pill was never
safe with me and some women are like that
, not everything agrees with all women,
that is why it is good to have a back up,
I also had to abort because I was on the
iud, this was years ago as the iud was
moved up to the fetuses head and the dr's
knew that the baby would have never been
born normal and I m/c another time because
of the b/c pill and the sponge, I love
people that think they know it all and
they don't, oh yes, my sister had the same
problem and the situation can be
hereditary but the dr even said that I
would have problems carrying a baby full
term especially after getting kicked in
the stomach at 5 and 1/2 months pregnant
and having to abort it because of the
damage to the fetus and myself and I ended
up having two large baby's, so it goes to
show you that even they can be wrong.
And I was married at all
times.
sandyallen you don't need to bring up your
story over and over. Everybody is aware
of what a medically necessary aboriton is.
We know that is your case so you don't
need to bring it up all the time. The
debate here has always been for the
perfectly healthy pregnancies which are
over 90% of the abortion cases.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 06-13-06 15:08pm
nightangel73
wrote:
sandyallen
wrote:
b/c is 99.999% effective(
that is a joke) then why did I and others
get pregnant while using it correctly, it
doesn't matter how many times you get
pregnant to some females such as myself it
was not 99.999% effective. Thank
you .Moo for agreeing also, I aam not
saying not to use it, I am just saying to
some females it is not 99.999% safe, oh
yes, I also used a spermicide condome with
the b/c and that is what caused me to m/c
the fetus 2 months later, if I had not
used the spermicide condom they feel that
I would not have m/c, the pill was never
safe with me and some women are like that
, not everything agrees with all women,
that is why it is good to have a back up,
I also had to abort because I was on the
iud, this was years ago as the iud was
moved up to the fetuses head and the dr's
knew that the baby would have never been
born normal and I m/c another time because
of the b/c pill and the sponge, I love
people that think they know it all and
they don't, oh yes, my sister had the same
problem and the situation can be
hereditary but the dr even said that I
would have problems carrying a baby full
term especially after getting kicked in
the stomach at 5 and 1/2 months pregnant
and having to abort it because of the
damage to the fetus and myself and I ended
up having two large baby's, so it goes to
show you that even they can be wrong.
And I was married at all
times.
sandyallen you don't need to bring up your
story over and over. Everybody is aware
of what a medically necessary aboriton is.
We know that is your case so you don't
need to bring it up all the time. The
debate here has always been for the
perfectly healthy pregnancies which are
over 90% of the abortion
cases.
where did you get that statistic? Same
place cloud9 got the 99.99% effectiveness
one? Ha.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 06-13-06 17:43pm
eiri
wrote:
where did you get that statistic? Same
place cloud9 got the 99.99% effectiveness
one? Ha.
you don't need stadistics, just common
sense
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Posted: 06-13-06 18:49pm
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
where did you get that statistic? Same
place cloud9 got the 99.99% effectiveness
one? Ha.
you don't need stadistics, just common
sense
if your common sense is so good, then the
statistics will support you.
Don't be afraid of the truth.
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nightangel73
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Posted: 06-14-06 05:38am
eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
where did you get that statistic?
Same place cloud9 got the 99.99%
effectiveness one?
Ha.
you don't need stadistics, just common
sense
if your common sense is so good, then the
statistics will support you.
Don't be afraid of the
truth.
not afriad eiri but I don't have time to
websurf anymore. I'm studying for a
computer certification.
