Has anyone ever had a resistant case of
thrush in baby when breastfeeding? My
daughter is only five months old and this
is the sixth case of thrush/yeast that we
have had. I just called the doctor's
office because I need another round of
diflucan. We just cannot seem to shake
this.
They have put her on nystatin. I have
tried the gentian violet. I have done otc
meds (for myself), I have done diflucan
(repeatedly) and nothing seems to clear it
up.
It is painful and annoying. It makes it
hard to nurse. Between this and two nasty
cases of mastitis, I am about to call it
quits.
If anyone knows anything that they could
share, I would be extremely grateful!!
They just diagnosed me with hypoglycemia
and I am wondering if it is this imbalance
of sugar in me that is causing these
repeated cases.
Amy (who is going crazy)
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Stan
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Posted: 05-26-06 09:04am
Hmmm, that's a good question. I would
assume that in cases where the mother has
low blood sugar, especially if it's
dropping every day, this would seem to
probably have some effect on the quality
of the breast milk, so it does make sense.
I can't say that for certain, but since
mothers pass immunity and such through
breast milk, it is possible that your
reduced immunity from low blood sugar
could be somehow affecting your child.
Don't take that as I gave it though, i'm
just thinking. As to how you would help
that, i'm afraid to give any advice
because this is a baby, but you might want
to look into probiotics and such. There
may be something for babies you can give
that should correct the bacterial
imbalance. Giving your child harsh
antibiotics is not a good idea.
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DianaJJ
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Posted: 05-26-06 09:21am
Hi,
have you read anything about candida? It
is an overgrowth of yeast in the system.
There are products to get rid of it and
balance out with probiotics like stan
said.
There are lots of websites that have
information about this condition. The
antiyeast medication the doctor prescribes
will only help for a short period and then
it will some back if you don't get rid of
the cause. It's very important to get rid
of all sugar in your diet because yeast
feeds on sugar. The diet for candida is
alot like the hypoglycemic diet so it will
definitely help everything.
Let us know how you're doing.
Dj
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almomay
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What Is Candida? Posted: 05-26-06 16:49pm
Hello all,
what are the symptoms of candida?
Is there a candida diet?
I just googled candida and the symptoms
are very similar to hypoglycemia.
One of the candida symptoms are urinary
infection. I have to go back to the
doctor tomorrow to do a urine test for the
2nd time. The doctor said he wants to
see if I have urine infection.
I only drink water for over 1 year.
Mayra from nyc.
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DianaJJ
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Posted: 05-26-06 18:36pm
Hi again,
there are many symptoms of candida
including:
foggy thinking
thrush
bloating/indigestion
urinary infections
joint pain
hair loss
yes, there are diets for candida and they
are very similar to the hypoglycemic diet
(lower carbs, no sugar etc) and there are
some very effective natural products for
the yeast overgrowth.
My daughter (grown) had very severe case
of candida and was able to get it under
control by using a product that didn't
require changing her diet. It's call
"threelac" and you can find it online.
There's a simple at home test you can do
to find out if you have a yeast
overgrowth. Its at www.Candidasupport.Org.
Hope that helps,
dj
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almomay
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Candida Posted: 05-27-06 08:51am
These symptoms are very similar to
hypoglycemia.
Are there any doctors that will test
people for this?
Mayra from nyc.
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Stan
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Posted: 05-27-06 09:20am
Be careful though, if you don't have
persistant infections, it's very, very
doubtful you have this.
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squashville USA
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Nursing And Thrush Posted: 05-29-06 10:56am
Nursing burns alot of calories in the
mother- could be a reason you are
experiancing low blood sugar now- also
birth strained your system out which may
flag this condition now-overall its your
nursing draining your sugar and effecting
your body.
Your baby needs active good cultures
replaced in order to get better. They
will overcome this don't worry.
Doctors aren't very good at forming cause
effect relationships at times to inform
you of this. When you take
antibiotics, it kills good bacteria- as
safe as the drug maybe for the baby to
feed on in your milk it still kills the
babies good bacteria as well. They
get thrush- you simple must replace the
good bacteria by giving the baby this.
You can do this safely and simply by
getting acidphlous/probiotic capsules or
powder- (make sure dairy free) (this is
the stuff that is active cultures in
yogurt, just many more) and opening the
capsule and mixing a little as 1/8 of the
capsules content into a paste and apply it
to your babies tongue. Take the
remaining content and use a little less of
1/4 of the remaining batch and dilute in
some water in a bottle and give it to
them. They do make soultion for
infants specifically in vitamin stores-
however not all carry them thus adult or
child formula would be fine, just use the
doseage above. Apply this once
morning and at night before bed and make
sure you wash your hands very well with
hot soapy water. Application with a
soft spoon on the tongue or other object
would be better choice as it can be boiled
afterwards to clean, as yeast can live in
your finger nails still and reinfect him.
Also if you are putting him down for
the night- rinsing or letting him suckle a
little water to wash the milk out of the
mouth would be very benefical to get rid
of this.
Yeast is normal and occurs in 90% of
children actually at 6months of age.
It can be difficult to shake and get
rid of however proper precautions to not
reinfect things will make it not a problem
and cure in the end. She can be
getting reinnfected from your bra or
clothing that contacted you once even
though you may have washed it normally,
hot water and bleach is needed to kill
yeast. If you were on antibiotics,
your baby took in them as well leaving her
yeasty. Nystatin is good treatment
for babies however it may take a few
rounds of it.
As for your mastitis..Did you take
antibiotics for it? If so that
is how the yeast started with the baby-
mastitis itself casues cracks in the
nipples, giving it a good breeding ground
for yeast. Which paved way for
your infection of yeast of the nipples if
so. Did the doctor give you
proper instructions for preventing
mastitis from happening again?
If not let me know I will send you some
info. I dont want to wrote you a
book here:]
you should follow a proper diet to
balance you out and stay away from dairy
and cheeses/white flour products and
citrus. As soon as you
eliminate them and high complex carbs you
should take over control against your
yeast issue of thrush. You
should take a probiotic/acidolphlous as
well. You can find these in the
vitamins shos make sure free of dairy and
corn. Blue bonnet and jason
labs make excellent companies to purchase
from. Refridgerated supplements
you want, not the chewables or liquid
formulas which add unecessary things..
They are simple cultures found in
yogurt but stronger and a few different
strains. They have no ill
effect and are nontoxic on you and baby.
This is all a chain effect in whats going
on, resolving the mastitis, oral thrush in
baby then your nipples healing.
I would advise to stop breastfeeding at
most to clear this for 2 weeks.
Mastisis is a sign your immune system is
low. Hard to say what came first
though? Have you had yeast problems in
the past elsewhere, overuse of
antibiotics, gestational diabetes?
Mastitis is a serious infection, must be
taken care of properly. It is usually
resulting from a staph infection which is
normally on the skins surface. If your
nipples are cracked and infected I would
be careful to continue nursing this way
with your helath not improving.
Just a side note: if you are also
exhibiting hypoglycemic symptoms- there is
also research shown that children placed
on milk formula had a greater chance of
diabetes or hypoglycemia- I would try soy
if its possible if you ever reach that
point of deciding milk for your child or
soy or rice milk even better.
Your hormones will cause this imbalance
making you prone to yeast in you for a
while til you stop nursing.
You might have been this way while
pregnant as well?
Progestrone levels that are high cause
this in pregnant women. However many
other things cause hypoglycemia, like
infection as well. So seeing a dietican
would be very helpful as well as making
sure there if nothing else going on in
your body (this is if you are feverish and
achy I mean)
also, I would avoid fish, im not a
believer in it especially if you are
breast feeding a child with the mercury
levels in fish today- it passes directly
to the child and into their brain. Its
good to eat for hypo diets however also it
adveresly is what has caused many to have
hypoglycemia from mercury levels being
extrememly high in tuna fish.
The gentian violet should work for your
baby. I beleive it returns
though since you never stopped exposure in
between to cure yourself.
You need more topical treatment on your
nipples rather then (difulcan) for the
blood. And to make sure all
clothing garmets are washing properly in
hot water and bleach.
I know its a tight situation in breaking
nursing this way- but if its that bad you
may need a short break in cycle if
possible for a week or 2.
To heal yourself and baby sepeartely, if
not you are just passing it back and
forth
make sure you follow these directions if
not already, im sure your doctor never
informed you of them.
After treatment for thrush begins, the
symptoms may appear to get worse for a
couple of days before improving.
While the pain continues, offer your
baby short, frequent feedings, beginning
of the least painful side.
Be sure to rinse your nipples and let them
air dry after each feeding.
This is the most important.... If your
baby uses a pacifier or bottle nipple,
they should be boiled for 20 minutes a day
and replaced every week.
Don't forget to boil all breast pump parts
that come in contact with milk, if you are
pumping. (the milk you
pump during a thrush outbreak can be fed
to your baby but not frozen.
Freezing breastmilk does not kill the
yeast in it.) toys that go in your baby's
mouth should be washed with hot, soapy
water.
In addition to the medical treatment,
there are other steps you can take.
* wash all bras, bra pads, nightgowns,
etc (anything that comes in contact with
your nipples) in hot water with bleach and
dry on hot in the dryer or in the sun.
* rinsing your nipples with a vinegar
and water solution (1 tablespoon vinegar
to 1 cup water) after every feeding is
helpful. Use a fresh
cotton ball for each application and mix a
new solution every day.
* add acidophilus supplements (40
million units per day) to their diet.
Be careful with hand washing, especially
after diaper changes.
Babies can get yeasty diaper rashes very
easily. If you use cloth
diapers or nursing pads, the yeast can be
passed through the laundry.
I hope any of this information helps you
out. It should I am sorry to hear
your doctor may not have been a good
source of information to you. I
wish you luck!