for centuries, people have been intrigued
by the number 666, the "number of the
beast" from the book of revelation in the
new testament.
Not only is it mentioned in the bible, it
has been associated with the satanism,
universal price codes and the game of
roulette, as the numbers on the wheel add
up to 666.
Now, the legendary number is getting a
fresh look, as researchers are
re-examining evidence the number may
actually be 616.
Fragment from book of revelation mentions
616 in the third line – chi, iota, sigma
(courtesy egypt exploration society)
in the king james version of the bible,
the well-known verse of revelation 13:18
reads:
"let him that hath understanding count the
number of the beast: for it is the number
of a man; and his number is six hundred
threescore and six."
while many bible have footnotes saying the
number translated from the original greek
could be 616, experts say new photographic
evidence of an ancient fragment of papyrus
from revelation indeed indicates the
number is indeed 616, instead of 666.
Scholars in england have been using modern
technology to scour some 400,000 bits of
papyri which were originally discovered in
1895 at a dump outside the ancient
egyptian city of oxyrhynchus. Many of the
sections have been damaged and discolored,
but an imaging process is shedding new
light on the sacred text, believed to have
originally been penned by john, one of
jesus' 12 apostles.
"this is a very nice piece to find," ellen
aitken, a professor of early christian
history at mcgill university, told
canada's national post. "scholars have
argued for a long time over this, and it
now seems that 616 was the original number
of the beast."
the papyrus in the spotlight is believed
to be from about 300 a.D.
"this is very early confirmation of that
number, earlier than any other text we've
found of that passage," aitken said.
"it's probably about 100 years before any
other version."
the main researcher promoting the 616
claim is david parker, professor of new
testament textual criticism and
paleography at the university of
birmingham in england.
"this is an example of gematria, where
numbers are based on the numerical values
of letters in people's names," parker told
the uk's independent. "early christians
would use numbers to hide the identity of
people who they were attacking: 616 refers
to the emperor caligula."
many commentators have gone with later
copies of text which assign the number 666
to "the beast," believed by some to be the
end-time world power.
Some have also linked 666 with nero, the
ancient roman emperor known for
persecuting christians.
Parker points out the possibility of 616
was considered by the second century
church father irenaeus, who rejected it.
Regarding this new text, parker told
britain's church times, "this adds weight
to those who believe that it is a
reference to caligula's attempt to
desecrate the temple in jerusalem, by
having his statue erected there as part of
the cult of emperor worship.
"there may be a reference to it in mark
[13:14], where he refers to the 'the
abomination of desolation.' but this was
overlaid by the neronian persecutions.
People believed that you could get from
'666' to nero because in greek he is the
emperor neron caesar. And 666 is one
number less than the perfect 777. The
text [showing 616] is quite legible to the
naked eye. It was published in 1999, but
it has taken people time to catch up."
the national post quotes elijah dan,
professor of philosophy and religion at
the university of toronto, as saying the
new number won't likely have an impact in
the popularity of 666.
"otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to
be changed and a lot of movies rewritten,"
he said with a laugh. "there's always
someone with an active imagination who can
put another interpretation on it. It just
shows you that when you study something as
cryptic and mystic as the book of
revelation there's an almost unlimited
number of interpretations."
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Bridget
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Posted: 06-06-06 11:34am
This has nothing to do with anything
really but I find it amusing... My
brother's address is 777 state street.
His friend was ordering food to be
delivered and she said "777 state street,
a block up from satan". I thought it was
hilarious.
Carry on...
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Lalee
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Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 991 Location: South Carolina
Posted: 06-06-06 11:35am
Today is my friend's birthday.
Wooooooooooooo.... Scary! Lol
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arcadia
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Posted: 06-06-06 11:54am
I certainly don't believe in this 666
crap. But .I'm not going to lie... I'm
pretty nervous that my first doctor's
appointment happened to fall on this day!
Lol.
I was reading in our local paper about how
so many women induced labor just to avoid
their children being born on 6/6/06. A
little ridiculous? I think so.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 06-06-06 12:00pm
It's me i'm the .Anti-.Christ! Roar!!
Lol
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arcadia
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Posted: 06-06-06 12:02pm
*gasp*
*shock*
*horror*
!!!!!!
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hopefulmjz
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Posted: 06-06-06 12:15pm
Hmm, I guess the thought never occured to
me. Good thing we didn't get bombed or
anything else happen today I woulda been
shit out of luck!
And I would have wondered "gee, what
brought that on?"
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MamiClaudia
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Posted: 06-06-06 13:11pm
Iron maiden dosent lie.. No mam
hehe
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sandyallen
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Posted: 06-06-06 13:40pm
They were talking about that at tthe
hospital last night and they were saying
how many women that were so close to
having their baby-to-be was and how busy
that the c-sections have been, I just
turned around and said probably because so
many of them did not want to have natural
births.
Their is a nurse there that is very
supersticious and I used to walk under
ladders, someone broke a miror one time
and she was upset and I was helping to
clean it up and I said that the only thing
I was affraid of was slipping on it and
getting a piece in my butt and someone
else walked by her and asked if she saw a
black cat, I kind of feel sorry for the
lady. They told her one time that she has
to work a friday the 13th and she said
that she would quit 1st, that is sooo sad
to be that way.
I too have heard that about 616 but I look
at it this way, if ssomething is going to
happen, it does not matter what day it is,
if it is my time, it is my time but I am
pretty much a positive person.
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fatfamily02
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Posted: 06-06-06 14:12pm
Quote:
tr>
666 as less than
god
the number 7 is mentioned throughout the
bible; from genesis to revelation. The
bible uses the number 7 to represent perfection and
wholeness; judges 16:13-19,
proverbs 9:1, 2 chron 29: 20-21, genesis
21:28-30, lev 16:19, lev 23:15, and lev
25:1-9.
Since many christians worship a triune
god, the number 777 is assumed to
represent god; one 7 for each aspect:
father, son, and holy spirit. However,
the number 777 does not appear in the
bible, but neither does the term
trinity.
the number
6 is the number of man; gen
1:26-31, exodus 31:15, daniel 3:1, and I
samuel 17. Some believe that the number
666 represents someone who is less perfect
than god in every
respect.
Well well well, joanna's alive. So
what's new jo??
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Sunflower_pie81
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Posted: 06-06-06 15:22pm
Mmmmm
i'd have to say that im not too surprised
that this convo did keep her away.....
Joanna, how are the babies doing???? All
going well?
I'ts4.25 here and i'd have to say nothing
has happened today other than this has
been the most boring day in the whole
world....Good lord.
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rinsha
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Joined: 17 May 2006 Posts: 305 Location: Alabama
Posted: 06-06-06 15:27pm
Nothing new in small town alabama either.
Lol. My brother called earlier today to
tell me he thought the world was ending at
midnight. I told him hmm thats strange,
midnight oh you mean 6/7/06 instead of
6/6/06. He isn't to bright lol :roll:
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Ingi
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Posted: 06-06-06 18:02pm
Well this topic would be right up .F.F's
alley, wouldn't it?
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 06-06-06 19:01pm
For some reason I had a feeling she'd post
in it even though we haven't sen hide nor
hair in a while.
Oh and rinsha--lmao @ your bro. Poor
guy.
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rinsha
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Posted: 06-06-06 19:17pm
He is a health question to say the least,
after telling me this he tells me oh I am
going to the creek going to eat some
shrooms&drink some beer note he is
only 17. I told him hmm sounds like I
fine way to fry your brain. Then he
goes oh I was only going to eat one or
two. Yeah right :o he's an fool, I
will be the first to say it lol. I was
just like whatever, once your brain's
fried it will be alittle late but whatever
floats your boat.