I think there was a misunderstanding
concerning my previous eating style. I
was on a low-carb diet (and high fat!) for
nearly 2 years and did lose nearly 70
pounds mostly by eating more fat and less
carb.
One of the problems I have right now is
functional dyspepsia, which mean I have
trouble digesting, especially fat! So
right now I am having trouble knowing what
to eat. I mean: my problem seems to be
that my liver (or whatever!) just can't
throw enough enzymes or can't digest food
fast enough for me to eat more often.
As an example. I am trying to eat 5
small meals a day to compensate for my
hypoglycemia. Well, if I eat 40 g. Of
salmon at 1:00 p.M. And 40 g. Of salmon
at 4:00 p.M. I will feel pain in my
stomach while if I eat 150g. Of salmon
all at the same time I will not.
Well, this is not so much a clear case,
but this is how I see it.
When I started the low-carb diet, I had to
deal with my binge eating disorder, and I
found that replacing high-carb binges by
high-fat binges was not that bad,
considering I was then fasting for many
hours after the binge.
But lately, with my unability to digest
fat, I took a bit more sugar in my
binges.
And right now, even without any binges, it
seems I can't eat fat if I don't let at
least 4-5 hours between meals.
So I have trouble eating protein every 1.5
to 3 hours (as recommanded in
"hypoglycemia for dummies") without eating
fat. And I know fat is good! I never
ate as much fat as when I lost all this
weight. But for some reason my liver
says "enough is enough" and I can't handle
fat correctly anymore unless I have
sufficient time to digest it (which is
long). Of course I can eat more fat at
the last meal of the day, but still this
hypoglycemic diet asks for more
fat/protein all day long!
You understand my problem?
As for legumes, I need to do more research
on the subject as many authors seem to
differ! :wink:
dianajj: I am happy to see that I am not
the only one suspecting the adrenal
extract to cause some serious hypoglycemic
anxiety attacks! I have been taking them
for 10 days, and I haven't sleep normally
for the last 7 days. But strangely
enough, I just can't find anything on the
internet about the hypoglycemia-adrenal
extract connection that would suggest that
it can creates trouble by boosting
adrenals to blow more adrenaline in the
blood! You found any information on the
matter?
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Babouin,
i did do some research on the adrenal
extract and they said that some of the
side effects are:
insomnia
restlessness
heart palpitations
changes in blood pressure
it's strange but I get the same reaction
from ginseng. I am very sensitive to
caffeine and have severe symptoms from it
that is very much like a low blood
reaction. Novacaine does the same thing
to me at the dentist's office. I think
they are all tied to a release of
adrenaline. It makes you feel terrible
and it's very scary.
Dj
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Babouin
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Posted: 06-20-06 20:28pm
Thanks for the info dianajj. My friend
at the health food store told me that I
should keep using them and that it should
work after some time. However, I did
not take one today and I wonder if I will
continue as those adrenal extract really
made me anxious and I had terrible
insomnia!
* * *
i wonder, by the way, how do you actually
feel when you eat "bad"? Today I was
focused and decided to try to eat very
low-carb. I ate salade + egg this
morning, and salad/salmon twice this
afternoon. Then I arrived at my group
therapy 1 hours and a half after eating
salad/salmon and I was so weak, so
confused, unable to do anything.
Then, because it was our last group of the
season, we had pizza. I ate 4 pieces of
pizza, and felt so good for the next
hours.
Stan would probably tell me this is normal
to get so weak because I am not used to
work on so litte carb. However, I wonder
stan... I need to continue my life for
the next weeks; I need to work! I need
to be able to get to work without having
the impression I will faint again!
Ok I know I was wrong tonight (i would
have eaten 5 pizzas if I could... I have
a binge eating disorder), and will try to
do better. But I wonder if it wouldn't
be a good idea for me to apply a less
strict diet (like one suggested in
"hypoglycemia for dummies") because only
protein/fat and veggies seems to be a good
way for me to get depressed, to faint
and/or to lose my job!
Anyway, I didn't meant to whine... I am
just... Low on sugar! :wink:
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It's okay! We'll help out any way we
can. Trust me, I know exactly what it
feels like and I know what's it's like to
worry you have every possible disease and
worry you're not getting enough
carbohydrates. Sigh. Bad, bad, bad.
Expect to feel awful, terrible, depressed,
more anxious and generally like absolute,
horrid waste for at least a week after
what you just did. It does take time to
get used to the diet, i'll give you that,
but it's the only way you can get better
again. Even if you go high carb, you
must stick with it without faltering for
at least six months, you have to.
There's no other option. Is it possible
for you to go on medical leave for a month
or two? That's a good option to try, I
did it at first. Diana, caffeine is bad,
so you know, because it raises blood
sugar, which in a hypoglycemic the
pancreas quickly drops. It actually
causes your liver to release its stores.
Also, to get my opinion clear, i'm pretty
definite you are having trouble with fat
only because of the sugar. You've
screwed yourself up so bad that you're
currently in a very precarious position
that will take a lot of hard work to get
out of. You have to stick with a good
diet, whichever route you choose, I
suggest mine but go high carb if you want
to try it. Sorry about the mistake, I
thought you said you tried high fat and
gained weight earlier.
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Babouin
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Posted: 06-21-06 15:25pm
Well actually I would like to be able to
eat in a "normal" way and be able to eat
bad sometimes without feeling to weak,
etc. I would like to be "normal" and
enjoy life with food sometimes, with
alcohol too.
I am ont a low-carb diet for 2 years, but
I used to eat a lot of legumes, and a lot
of "this" and a lot of "that". It seems
my body would compensate for the loss of
simple carbs by making me eat more complex
carbs.
I need to get rid of my binges, which is
my greatest challenge. When I am with
people in supper, or when I feel anxiety
or have physical pain related to my back
problems, I tend to eat a lot of
fat/carbs. In the last 2 years, I
managed to eliminate completely grains and
milk (except yogurt/cheese/cream in binges
or occasionnaly) but I simply replaced the
cereal or ice cream binges by whipped
cream or cashew binges.
The result is that I lost weight.
But another result is my dyspepsia and
unability to properly digest fat.
In the last months I have been anxious and
I was with a girlfriend which was prone to
eat junk food all the time. The
exceptions were more numerous, and I guess
that this is why I felt so bad.
Anyway, for the last days (exception of my
yesterday night binge... Grrrr) I try
to eat at each 3 hours salad (with lot of
mixed raw vegetables and fine herbs) with
50-60g. Meat each time or an egg. But
I wonder... Is it possible to eat too
much raw vegetables? Or is there a good
ration with protein to follow?
Today, I ate 3 meals so far, each time
about 1 to 1.2 litre of salad + 1 egg or
50g. Salmon or 50g. Organic chicken.
I wonder if this is too much salad. I
just like salad so much and I don't feel
bad after eating, but maybe 1.2 liter of
salad each 3 hours is too much?
I would like your advice on this! And
maybe... How to deal with binges and
people tempting me with pizzas and bad
food?
Thanks!
P.S. I must add that I have terrible
smelly gas for the last days since I
started this diet.
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Your intestinal bacteria will change on
the diet, so that's where the gas is
coming from. It's pretty much impossible
to eat too much salad. You'd have to eat
so much your stomach would explode,
there's no way to get too much of it. I
eat a huge bundle of green leaf or romaine
every day, a ton. You may be able to eat
in a "normal" way eventually, but you have
to work for it, keep eating junk food and
it will get worse and worse. It may be
that you're one of the few people that
don't listen until you're put into
psychiatric treatment at the hospital
because it gets so bad. It's happened,
some have even had shock treatments. Be
careful and do the right thing.
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Babouin
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Posted: 06-22-06 09:23am
Yesterday I ate:
- 10 a.M.: 1.2 litres of salad + 1 egg
- 1 p.M.: 1.2 litres of salad + 60 g.
Salmon
- 4 p.M.: 1.1 litre of salad + 60g.
Chicken
- 7 p.M.: 60g. Chicken + very small
portion of vegetables
- 10 p.M. Very very small portion of
legumes + very small portion of
vegetables
i had so much difficulty digesting this.
3 hours is not enough for me to assimilate
the meat, so I had nausea all the evening
+ this night also.
Strangely enough, I always feel worst in
the morning after fasting than some hours
after eating. I wonder if I might have
some kind of fasting hypoglycemia, because
even if I get symptoms some hours after a
meal, symptoms are always much worst after
night.
Last 2 times I fainted it was in the
morning. And this morning, when I woke
up, I had a terrible vertigo when I got up
from bed. Wouldn't that may indicate
some kind of pancreatic problem? Or
maybe my liver is simply unable to store
enough sugar and to do appropriate
gluconeogenesis later to give me back
sugar?
Anyway, there seem to be a link between my
nausea or feeling of discomfort and my
morning symptoms. The last times I
fainted I had difficulty digesting the
evening food and again I had difficulty
yesterday and I feel like crap this
morning, as if my body did not assimilate
anything I ate. Even now, after I ate an
apple, vegetables, an egg and some wild
rice, I still don't feel good and feel
like I would faint again if I had to work
this morning.
I don't know what to do. I should eat
very often, but 3 hours seems to be
highway to indigestion for me. Or maybe
I have organic hypoglycemia and should do
more testing? Well, whatever, not a
great day...
Anybody here has organic hypoglycemia or
worst after fasting than after meal? Or
anybody saw a link between indigestion and
hypoglycemia symptoms? Thanks.
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Indigestion and hypoglycemia go hand in
hand, it's one of the most frequent
symptoms you'll hear about. Expect to
experience it for awhile. If you're
having so much trouble digesting as you
seem to think, separate your meals
differently. Have one with vegetables
and then three hours later one with your
protein. This will give you a good 5-6
hours between eating protein and fat to
avoid the problem. If you still have it,
it's simple, it's one of the symptoms you
have to deal with until it goes away.
Let me tell you something else because I
see it happening to you and it's happened
before. Get a grip on yourself. You're
starting to slip into the worry phase and
if you're not careful you're going to
drive yourself into a realm you never want
to experience. I've seen it happen
before to a few people like you. You're
getting close my friend. Stop talking or
thinking about all of these different
possibilities. You have hypoglycemia.
That's probably it. You don't have
fasting hypoglycemia, because you'd be
able to eat anything if you had that. It
makes sense to feel like that in the
morning but not after eating. Don't you
get it? You don't eat while your asleep
so of course at first you're going to feel
worse in the morning than at other times
because there's nothing in your body.
Get it in your head and read this message
any time you start to obsess. This does
indicate a pancreatic problem, and it's
called hypoglycemia. Your liver is fine,
if you're really that worried they have a
simple blood test they can do. It's
running out of sugar because you keep
dropping, simple as that, but it's not its
problem, it's your pancreas that's having
the problem, it's overreacting and you
have to teach it how to function properly.
You have hypoglycemia, you don't have
anything else. The diet will suck at
first for you, I can tell already. Don't
obsess about it every day, keep sticking
with it. Never, ever worry about any
hypoglycemic symptom unless it occurs
continuosly for a long period of time,
like at least a month. As I always say,
you'll find this doesn't happen and what
you experience lasts only a day or passes
in a few. Watch yourself, man, you're
starting to get into bad territory. I've
seen it happen before and it's not pretty.
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Babouin
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Posted: 06-22-06 11:07am
Thanks for the advice... But really I
am in bad territory for the last weeks.
This is not if I was starting from
scratch. Just as an example, let me
show you (random dates... I open a
page and show what I ate on that date)
what I used to eat (i note everything
about food):
thursday april 28, 2005
10h20: 1 apple
11h40: 125 g. Tofu + spinach with
herbs and oil dressing
14h10: 100g. Roasted almonds
17h20: 215 g. Chicken + spinach salad
with oil dressing + 1 apple
21h20: 1/4 bowl of legumes
Ok what I want to demonstrate is that my
diet wasn't that bad in the last year.
I rarely ate any processed food (except
some occasions) and even in my binges
(totally random dates; I did not choose
healthier days) I ate mostly yogurt, nuts
or fruits.
Where am I going with this?
Well, my point is that I think that,
except for my binges, I was eating better
than probably 75% of the population.
So I wonder why I feel so crappy still and
have strong hypoglycemia reaction, etc.
I sure had a relapse in 2006, but
still, I don't understand why I have all
those symptoms and why my symptoms are so
much worst when I have indigestion.
Another thing I don't understand is why I
sleep so well on nights after restaurant
(with white flour and sugar) and why I get
all kind of intestinal problems with
vegetables, legumes, protein or fat.
Sometimes I wonder if maybe my
constitution should make me eat sugar.
Anyway, sorry I am confused. My
blood sugar must be very low this morning,
as I had trouble to get up from bed and
have vertigo everytime I move. I
feel exactly like the day when I fainted.
I had indigestion that night too.
It sucks.
* * *
i will try your trick to eat only protein
at 6 hours with a vegetable break
in-between, but what I read was that each
meal/snack should have protein in it
because proteins are what slow down
absoption of sugar.
I wonder, maybe I don't have enough
enzymes to break down those vegetables.
I never smelled so bad and had that
much intestinal discomfort than yesterday
(even when I used to eat legumes twice a
day)... That was ok since I wasn't
with my girlfriend, but... Well, you
get the idea.
Anyway I know I look like a very anxious
person, but the bottom line is: I am.
I am tired to feel sick. I would
like to feel better. I did eat not
that bad for 2 years and still feel crap
and have so much hypoglycemia I would have
had to call ill if I had to work this
morning in fear of getting out of job
anyway in an ambulance! :lol:
thanks
* * *
i'd like to add something. You said
it is normal to feel weaker in the morning
because I did not eat anything at night.
Well, usually I don't feel that weak.
More interesting, when I go to
restaurant on an evening, I will feel good
the next morning. It's like my liver
is unable to correctly stock glucagon.
Or maybe something else. But the
thing is: I usually feel ok in the
morning, except when I have indigestion or
had bloating or felt bad in the night and
sleeped poorly. Then I am weak, I
have terrible nausea for at least 2 days,
and on those days I fainted twice, and
would probably faint more often if I had a
40hour/week steady job.
* * *
another thing: I don't understand the link
between indigestion and hypoglycemia. I
have the impression my indigestions are
caused by eating too often (or too much
too often) and the meat never has time to
get digested hence it stays there and...
Well, fermentate, putrefaction, etc.
Just wondering!
* * *
last thing (seriously! :wink: ): my main
concern right now is mostly thay my
hypoglycemic symptoms are always worst in
the morning (except for time to time at
job or elsewhere) and every time they are,
it is linked to some intestinal problem.
My hypothesis used to be that maybe there
is some kind of a leaky gut or ibs or
something that alter the proper
assimilation of nutrient, hence the
bloating/discomfort and the lack of
energy/faintness. Anybody here has any
experience with ibs or things like that?
Cause I observed that when I had my worst
hypoglycemic attacks in the morning, I had
diarrhea/constipation in the days
before/after and had major intestinal
disturbance.
Thanks a lot for reading (and helping) me.
I appreciate!
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If I might interject here...
Looking at what you ate for the past year,
I notice a lot starch and carbs. And,
yes, you did eat better than 75% of the
population, but ... I have news for you
... So did i. Or rather, I thought so
too. However, for hypoglycemics many
items -- the legumes, tofu, carrots,
apples, just to name a few -- is a no-no.
Eventually you'll be able to have these
things in small doses but not now. Prior
to losing this weight and eating seemingly
healthy, you admit you ate poorly. Well,
guess what, it finally caught up with you.
Yes, you eat better than you did before
but with some minor adjustments, you'll
eat even better and eventually feel
better, too.
When you say you sleep better, would you
say you "slept like a log"? Yeah, I would
too. Do you know why? Because the
sugar levels are off and I would be in a
"semi-catatonic" state for lack of a
better term. (i could have slept through
a hurricane).
As for your indigestion, have you tried
those digestion tablets yet? How about
drinking some lemon water? (would that
be allowed, stan?) or better yet, fresh
mint tea? It works wonders. I would
also recommend for you camomile tea. You
need to relax and camomile will calm
you.
Lastly, you said "i'm tired to feel sick".
Babouin, trust me when I tell you we
have all said that at some point; usually
when we're at our worst point. You need
to look closely at stan's diet and really
adhere to the prohibited list. I am sure
you're still eating things that you are
reacting to. Also, I would recommend a
vitamin b complex in liquid form. You're
nerves are shot. It will help you.
But!!! You will not happen overnight.
Not at all! It will take time and it
won't be easy but you must remember it
will get better.
Btw, are you still taking celexa?
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Hmmm, lemon water, I don't see why not as
long as it's from fresh lemons. I don't
know if that would help digestion, but I
have heard it suggested before. On my
old diet I used to drink it twice a day,
big glass of it and it seemed to do
something. Yeah, b, no offense but you
keep contradicting yourself all over the
place. In that same post there you say
"you said it is normal to feel weaker in
the morning because I did not eat anything
at night. Well, usually I don't feel that
weak." and then, after that you say "my
main concern right now is mostly thay my
hypoglycemic symptoms are always worst in
the morning." which is it? If you mean
that you feel like that now it's to be
expected. Your body is in complete chaos
because you're finally doing the right
thing. Well, almost. As t said there,
that diet you were eating was sort-of
healthy, but not to someone with
hypoglycemia. That diet right there is
practically the worst thing you could
possibly eat ever. There is so much
badness in there I don't even need to
elaborate. Now to answer you questions
in order.
1. Why do you have symptoms with
indigestion? Simple. Indigestion is
one of your main symptoms and it's there
with the others. When you have that
happening, since it effects digestion, you
can expect to feel a little worse until
your body finally adjusts and this stuff
stops. That's it.
2. Why do you sleep so well on white
flour and sugar? Simple again, you've
just given your brain a temporary fix.
If you don't believe, go ahead and eat a
diet full of that crap and I guarantee in
about two weeks you'll feel insane and
won't be sleeping at all. Occasionally
cheating has given you a period where
you're feeling better than normal, but if
you were to keep doing it it would get
worse as the pancreas continues to
overcompensate for the garbage you're
chucking in there.
3. Why intestinal problems with
vegetables and such? Because your body
isn't used to it yet. You probably have
a nice little bacterial imbalance going on
in there that can takes weeks to fix.
Until then, expect this to happen on a
good diet, it means the good bacteria is
beginning to take over again and the bad
is getting pissed.
4. Yes, protein slows absorbtion, that's
why you should try to have some with every
meal. But, you're saying you think you
have trouble digesting it, so I suggest
separating it like that. Up to you.
5. You have enough enzymes to break down
vegetables. What you have, again, is a
bacterial imbalance. The bad gas is a
sign of things getting better, in spite of
how much it sucks. As a general rule of
thumb, when you're eating right, sucks =
good.
6. Liver? Go get tested so you shut up
already (no offense!). I myself thought
this and was tested. Guess what, perfect
liver. Yep, no problem at all. It can
store it just fine, it just doesn't have
anything to store because your sugar is so
low. Simple as that.
7. Indigestion can only be caused by
eating too often if your fat intake is way
to high. It would take a lot.
Otherwise, it's because you're eating like
crap if you're a normal person. For
hypoglycemics, intestinal problems are
usually a big symptom. I'm not sure why.
I assume the brain is shutting down
areas it may not find as important as
others, that's the only answer I have. I
can tell you i've had stomach and
intestinal pain that lasted for almost two
weeks straight when I started to eat
right. I eventually couldn't stand it
and went to the er to be tested.
Everything normal, yet again. Except one
thing, sugar!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8. Does meat putrify? No, please stop
it, no it doesn't. If you were
constipated, maybe yeah, but you're not.
It won't do that and if you're working out
like you said you were, it goes to the
muscles to repair or throughout the body
to aid other thingies.
9. Ibs? Yeah, I think we all have that.
I get a teeny, weeny bit here and there,
like once a week at best, but as I said up
there one time it lasted almost two weeks
straight with no let up. I can say that
I noticed too that when I have one
symptom, the diarrhea, pain or whatever
would follow a day or so afterwards.
Again, I unfortunately don't have a clue
why, I think it's what I said up there,
the brain cycles through things to shut
down so they don't get damaged by shutting
them down all the time.
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Babouin
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Posted: 06-22-06 13:50pm
Many authors seem to disagree with what
you consider good and bad food stan.
In "hypoglycemia for dummies", it is said
that legumes are very good, whole-grains
too and that fruit in small quantity is
fine too.
In her book on hypoglycemia (edition 2002)
jeraldine saunders says that any
non-processed unrefined food is good.
She says that legumes are good,
whole-grains are good, and even fruits
later in the treatment.
So according to those sources, my previous
food was not that bad (except for the
binges) as legumes are very high in fibers
and tofu is a very high-protein meal
too...
I just can't handle meat that well. I
can't eat red meat (it simply makes me
sick) and can only eat chicken once in a
while (3 times a week at most!!). So
legumes and tofuare really important for
me! If I eat too much meat (i ate meat 4
times yesterday) I get an indigestion and
then feel like crap the next day (which is
today... ). You understand?
I don't see how this reaction could be
caused by eating better; I sure eliminated
fruits for the last days, but I also
introduced more meat. I am blood type a
so maybe meat isn't that good for me. I
would like to try to eat some
whole-grains, but according to your diet
this would not be ok, but according to
others it would be.
I am confused. It seems I just can't eat
what I need to to be able to thrive.
As for the intestins, I take pro-biotics
everyday for the last 2 years, and I ate
fruits, and not much refined sugars
(except for binges).
My hypothesis about how bad I feel is
mostly related to maybe some kind of a
leak in the gut, which would 'overcharge'
the body with toxins that can't be
eliminated at once, and that overcharge
would create anxiety and stress.
What do you think?
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If you've been taking pro-biotics leaky
guy would be pretty much impossible.
I've read everything man, what i'm telling
you is coming from experience and from the
experiences of many hypoglycemics. I've
only found one diet that agrees with mine,
and it was what helped me to figure
everything out. It was made by three
doctors. Http://www.Fred.Net/slowu
p/haidiet.Txt read it and see what
they say. Very few hypoglycemics, in
truth, are able to eat the diets you find
in those books. Those diets only apply
to a few lucky individuals. If you read
through saunder's book, she even says at
one point that some people have to eat
every one to two hours, but yet gives no
tips on what they should do.
Furthermore, she admits somewhere in what
I think is the same section you just
mentioned, that some people (i disagree
with "some" because like everyone on here
cannot handle her diet) cannot tolerate
grain at all. But again, she gives no
indication what you do in such a case.
Ariolo or whatever his name is said the
same thing, but yet again neither of them
provide any indication as what one should
do if grain is not an option. The best
they say is something like "it can be
added back in eventually." what the hell
does that mean and do you have a clue how
this is to be done? Read and you'll
find it. It may be possible you can't
handle meat. So here's what you do,
follow the diet in saunder's book. Let
me know what happens. Everything I said
i'm reiterating at this point. I'm only
telling you what i've learned from myself
and other hypoglycemics. If you don't
want to believe it, which it seems you
don't, then don't. Try her diet, that's
the best advice I can give you. Do
whatever she says and stick with it.
Come back when it doesn't work, but if it
does then good, you got it, but from my
experience very, very few hypoglycemics do
good on that diet, myself included.
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squashville USA
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Babouin Posted: 06-24-06 09:05am
For what you have, dyspepsia, you can't
make soy products and beans your main food
in your diet. This just makes your
present condition worse. Beans and
tofu have an enzyme inhibitor in them that
prevents proper digestion in the stomach.
Thus, resulting in gas and bloating,
indigestion. Which makes your
condition worse out already having
digestion problems. Eating this
results in gas and bloating, especially in
the intestine. Stopping this until
you get a better handle on your dyspepsia
will make you regain control over the
bloating and gas for now. Still
again, proper control of stress/emotions
will get rid of the dyspepsia all
together. Thus, you will be able to
eat soy and beans again free of the other
symptoms.
Pancreatin like you are taking is good
for gas in the stomach and that stuffed
feeling and trace minerals should
alliveiate the intestional gas as well.
Brown rice or barley broth is good to
take in with meals in a small amount to
treat the gas as well. In time this
will leave you when you adjust your diet
well. Eat more fish and veggies and
try a protein shake as well, as plain as
possible perhaps brown rice one with some
almond nutt butter or macadamia butter in
there as a meal replacement or snack.
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Stan
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Posted: 06-24-06 09:14am
Excellent advice right there. I forgot
to mention the thing about beans and tofu,
though I hinted at it. Thanks!
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Babouin
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Posted: 06-25-06 15:57pm
Thanks for the advices.
Nypumpkin: I knew commercial tofu had such
inhibitor, because of the way it is
processed (did you read "soy: the dark
side of america's favorite health food"?
New book of 2006, very interesting) but I
didn't know about beans? I mean: if the
beans are natural, and boiled (not fried)
why should there not be any enzyme in
them?
I was reading the saunders book and she
recommanded trying raw milk products. I
went to a place where I tried some raw
milk chesse. I ate a piece not bigger or
thicker than a quarter, and then another
one even smaller. Guess what, 10 minutes
after and for the next hour I felt full.
I wasn't feeling sick or that bad, but my
stomach was hurting and I knew that if I
had eaten more it would have been
terrible.
Another example: one year ago I could eat
nuts for hours, literrally. I could sit
there and eat nuts non-stop pour 1 or 2
hours. I could eat more than a pound of
nuts easily. Now, I eat like 15 almonds
on an empty stomach (even worst on a full
stomach) and it hurts and takes hours to
digest.
Do you have any idea what can cause that?
When I talk to my gastro-enterelogist, he
simply says: "you have functional
dyspepsia, learn to live with it" but he
does not help me to help myself.
Basically, if I could be able to eat more
nuts, cheese, butter (i can't even eat
butter right now!) I would be more able to
follow an hypoglycemic diet and say no to
fruits, legumes, or anything with more
carbs.
Thanks!
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Posted: 06-25-06 16:03pm
I say to avoid milk products at first.
Raw milk is increasingly harder to find as
most farmers will not sell to private
customers anymore because of contracts.
It's even illegal to sell it in several
states, which is unfortunate because
there's nothing wrong with it. As I
said, i'm of the opinion that you're
having these problems only because of the
sugar because i've experienced the same
things. I just keep going with it,
putting the food in there and saying screw
you stomach. Eventually it was like okay
you win. Gastro doctors are no better,
i've found, the one I went to see was a
completely unfeeling fool that didn't even
listen to what I said and wanted to give
me medicine for irritable bowel? Mind
you, this was before I even had any
stomach symptoms, at that time I was only
passing out, getting depressed, getting
anxious, and getting confused. Irritable
bowel? Seriously, it's only going to get
worse. Beans have the same problem that
soy beans do, phytic acid, it cannot be
removed whatever you try to do. That's
why you shouldn't eat too many of them,
though they can be used for their carb
content later on. Maybe you should try
eating raw cheese instead of nuts to see
how you do on that, it has more
carbohydrates in it, and you may find it
works for you. As i've said though, if
you try my diet you have to do it the
whole way, it's designed to work perfectly
based on all the research i've done.
We'll figure it out man, don't worry.
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squashville USA
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Babouin Posted: 06-25-06 18:46pm
Hello. Yes, soy products are hit or miss
with people for many reasons of effects of
thyroid supression and others in certain
people and men. Just depends on your
health background and family history.
Good and bad benefits really.
The nuts..In general you have to learn to
put food properly together in what you
eat. Also that large quanity of nuts
washed down with a liquid will make your
already troubled digestion hell along with
the fat already dragging it down. That
may be another source of problems you are
experiencing. If you pair certain things
together they cause indigestion because of
where they are absorbed primerly and where
broken down ..Stomach/intestine. I will
send you something you can follow if you
like on that on what to pair together.
With digestion also you should be
drinking plenty in between meals. 4 oz
every waking hour and more in the hotter
months. This effects your food sitting
there hanging out as well. It needs the
liquid. But becareful- I know a lot of
people can drink a full glass down of
whatever or more with a meal- with your
stomach; doing that with a meal is causing
problems already. Since your diluting the
juices to help you digest.
Just by curiousity do you crave crackers
and other dry foods you find? Like toast
or bread still at all? Im not asking
about "carbs" just dry foods.
Second nuts are good as snacks, not by
the pound or as full meals however. They
are a source of good fats yes, but the
strain your pancreas was subjected to in
the past and gallbladder as well effects
this outcome from being postive.. It is
possible if you experience chronic pain in
the back you may have some gallstones, or
if it goes into your shoulder its your
stomach distress/stress. Everyone gets
them, gallstones, just when they get
lodged in the bile ducts etc, they become
troublesome for enzyme secretion and
overall the whole system working together
as one with the pancreas-liver-stomach.
This could be possible, especially likely
considering it happens with weightloss of
over 50 pounds and your history. Oilve
oil helps dislodge them, as does stress
reduction and magnesium supplementation as
it discourages their formation.
Don't eat alot of nuts at all in general,
handful if any inbetween meals is tops.
You should not need more. If you get a
gnawing pain to eat food too, thats more
your stomah irritation/stress response,
not that you need to eat food. You must
be able to determine these two. Stomach
distress causes dizzyness/a rush of a hot
feeling all the sudden with the pain and
especially would be pronounced in the
middle of the night and upon waking.
Notice if you have gnawing pains. They
are a little different from hypo symptoms.
Also, take note of what fats you eat.
You should be able to handle olive oil in
fact you should benefit from it. And
avoid sunflower seeds, too much fat
saturation for you to handle.
In the end your liver needs detox badly
and you need to modify your eating habits.
Milk thistle capsules are excellent and
gentle for your liver. Cleaning that will
aid in healing your overall digestive
imbalance. So it works better along with
the other organs. Olive oil with the
gallbladder and good source of fat. And
the other stuff I sent you.
In regards to your stomach distress and
overall anxiety the best book that I think
will answer all your questions about your
stomach is "why zebras don't get ulcers".
It is very good and informative for what
you are going through with your stomach
relations. When you understand that side
fully the rest will all fall into place
accordingly through a good diet and
behavior.
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Babouin
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Posted: 06-25-06 20:20pm
Thanks to you two for the information!
Nypumpkin: I will read the book you
suggested. Seems very interesting!
Well, as for the gallbladder, my osteopath
said lately that it seemed to her as there
was some kind of "obstruction". So maybe
some stones?! But the thing is: when I
first went to see my gastro-enterologist,
I had an echography to look for stones
there, and there was none! So, is there
anything else (besides anxiety, on which I
am working actively) that could explain
why I have so much trouble digesting
fats?
Of course I don't try to eat 500 g. Of
nuts anymore! I would only like to be
able to eat like 15 almonds in my
15-minutes break at job in the afternoon
to avoid late afternoon hypoglycemia.
But the thing is: when I eat those nuts I
feel bad for hours then!
Been unable to digest nuts (i tried
almonds, cashews, peanuts, macadam, etc.),
I was attracted by saunders suggestion of
eating complex carbs bread.
So, I bought some high-quality natural
quinoa/millet bread today, and I ate one
piece with some raw cow milk cheese and
strawberries. I was ok at that time.
But guess what, at 6:30 p.M. I decided I
needed a little snack to I ate again only
one slice of bread and some cheese, and by
8:00 p.M. I was in strong hypoglycemia
condition, with a terrible sugar
craving!
I decided I needed to have supper. I ate
140 g. Salmon + 500 ml. Salad (as usual)
and one slice of bread + cheese. Then
after supper I went for another slice of
bread + cheese. Then I ate 1 bowl of
strawberries. Then another slice of
bread + cheese. Well, you get the idea:
a total full-blown binge! Highway to my
bulimia, which seemed in control for the
last week!
Do you think hypoglycemia can be the
source of those binges?
And why is a quinoa/millet very high
quality old-made bread + raw cheese would
be enough to elevate enough my sugar level
to cause hypoglycemia?
I don't disagree with stan's diet. It's
just... I usually think of us, humans, as
we need to eat complete and different food
to thrive: meat, vegetables, but also
fruits, legumes and grains! I feel like
I might miss something in the long run not
eating grains! This is why I liked
saunders suggestion. And by the way,
they also suggest to eat those kind of
grains in "hypoglycemia for dummies"
(chow/chow).
I feel trapped. I can't eat nuts, I
can't eat bread, I can't eat fruits, I
can't eat meat at 3 hours interval. Stan
suggested to eat one time meat and the
other time only vegetables, but the
vegetables do not give me enough energy
and are too promptly digested. So I
thought it would have been nice to add
some nuts or protein, but well I can't
digest fat fast enough for that! The
only way I can digest fat is if I eat
before going to bed, then by morning I
will be ok.
Nypumpkin: I am not sure exactly about
what you say about the gnawing pain and
the difference from hypoglycemia. All I
know is that it seemes my body is not
giving me enough enzymes to digest my food
and that if I re-eat on it while it's
still at work it produces pain.
To be more clear: if it takes me 5 hours
to digest pain (5 hours in my stomach!) if
I eat anything in that 5 hours time frame
I risk having at least back pain (under
the two shoulders) or a full-blown
dyspepsia attack (some of those attacks
nearly led me to er... It felt like
someone was cutting me wide open with a
knife... Terrible pain I never want to
suffer from again).
My dyspepsia problem is aggravated by my
bulimia/binge eating disorder which
prompts me to eat too much and too often,
overloading my overworked stomach. So if
my binge eating disorder is caused by
hypoglycemia, getting over hypoglycemia
would likely help my dyspepsia.
But then again, what can I eat, damn it!?
It seems I can't eat anything else than
salad.
But still, even with milk thistle and
everything, do you think I would be able
to digest normally someday?
By the way, what is your opinion on
alcohol? I got sick yesterday after
taking 3 sips of a 5,5% alcohol beverage.
I have a zero tolerance on alcohol. I
feel like I have a 80 years old liver.
It's not normal at 26 yo to be unable to
drink alcohol, to eat nuts, to eat bread,
or to eat anything or so... Or to be sick
and tired all the time.
Well, anyway, thanks for reading and
helping. I am on a journey, and right
now I am wondering if I will put to trash
my 6,69$ quinoa bread and what i'd miss
without grains in my life.
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Babouin Posted: 06-26-06 08:13am
The gallbladder can have stones too small
to see, also they can be small enough and
become trapped in the liver..Now, this
theory is boo-hooed by most physcians but
from many people there has been evidence
through exploratory surgery that deemed
otherwise there were small stone
formations in pellets from people with
gallstone disorder..This ofcourse was done
on dead people not living exploratory
means, however efforts through certain
ways to eliminate them have also been
shown to show actually stones being
excreted through stool. So there is
proof.
In either case, cleaning your liver with
help the above situation regardless.
And also your pancreas is very effected.
Alcohol is very detramental to its
health. This is common result
(improper fat digestion, hypoglycemia etc)
from abused pancreas'. Diet
adjustments and time can only heal this.
I will give you some alternatives,
however number one I would put off eating
nuts for you, it doesn't do well, dont do
it. The way you described the eating
"binges" is not good. You shouldn't
eat bread and cheese together first.
Millet is excellent for you. However
use 1 slice with a meat in a meal and
spinach. Dont eat fruit with your
meals or especially with bread, that is
your first no no- your body is meant to
absorb fruit quickly for you, it just sits
there and becomes gassy sugar anyway
already by the delayed digestion.
Fruit can be eaten with cheese. Apple
slices and cheese are wonderful together.
Or cottage cheese as well (brown rice
protein shakes, yogurt.) those are good
matches.
Stans diet is a good diet. Everyone
on here has the same thing with relatively
different causes for the disposition of
glucose issues. This makes for not a
one size fits all solution. Where
everyone slinks in and out of trying
things to find a way. So you need to
modify it for each person. However
above all, anyone that doesn't eat
routinely at certain hours, breakfast,
lunch dinner times and snacks inbetween
will exhibit hypo regardless just at
different degrees at a time. You need
to make sure you are respecting a routine
eating schedule first. I will send
you an email on the rest of that to
explain.
You mention, reeating when you are
having digestive problems. Dont do
that. Never eat inbetween your food
beng digested because it causes it to sit
longer. Your stomach insn't
superhuman. You have to respect its
trying to do its job properly with what it
has. Sure, if you ingested a simple
sugar of soda, juice, ice cream etc.
It would be tolerated to be "layered" in
there. But you cannot do that and
have a positive outcome regardless.
So just make a measure, if you know it
feels like its "sitting there" the best
thing to do is prevent that situation,
like by what I said, check out drinkiing
digestive bitters, ginger/chamomile
teabefore meals to prep your stomach for
food and afterwards get some fresh parsley
and chew on that with some water to wash
it down. That should suffice the
breakdown alone.
Your bulima eating disorder needs to be
mandated by a professional eating disorder
specialist above all. If you need help
finding one let me know. Helping your
digestion is one thing. But for the
latter, you need to find the proper
guidence for that. Osteopaths are
excellent, but this is far above
osteopaths. You need someone educated
in behavioral eating
problems/co-dependency. Thats the
root of the whole problem that needs to be
corrected and dealt with as none of this
will get better without tackling that
issue. In general I know you just
can't eat that way, then what you can eat
is another issue. But binging, its
like getting stiches and then running
around afterwards. You just open the
wound again to bleed again because you are
never really allowing proper rest for
repair. It taxes your whole system
that way negatively from all that abuse.
Will you be able to digest normally
someday? Yes, if you attack the
bulima issue above. The healing
process however totally determines on how
bad you have taxed your body already.
This is serious stuff. Your already
seeking out new diet alternatives and are
being openminded, so that is very positive
to take control of for you. Now, you
need better guidance somewhere else
dealing with another layer of problems,
the reason you eat like that. I
promise you once you get to exploring that
not only will your digestion improve but
overall your whole life will change and
anxiety as well. But know, this all
takes time for things to unfold and they
will if you let them and with the right
help you will get somewhere.. Nothing
is overnight. Always stay determined
and positive. I know it can be
annoying and hard finding what you can
tolerate to eat and changing things etc
can get cranky. But don't let yourself
fall back on that behavior of allowing you
to feel helpless over it. Your grains
will return for sure and others will be
tolerated in time to respect of other
aspects.
Check your email on here later and I will
send you alternatives for you to eat to
replace your cannot eat list and good food
combinations.
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