Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 522 Location: in the land of pooh bear
Posted: 06-21-06 13:05pm
But if you have the father pay support
then he has rights for visitation and
partial custody. Some wemen are better
off with out the mans help. My first born
I raised by myself without state help and
father name is not on birthcertificate so
no rights for him and I do not ask for $$
from him. He has never seen my child
better off for my child. I caught him
cheeting on me and then found out he was
using drugs as well so I did not want that
for my child. Now I am married to a diff
man and have 2 more kids with another on
way. The only assistence I received is
medical card during my last 2 preg. Cause
my dh does not have insurance thru his
trucking co. No ins yet for this preg.
As of yet . Oh and when did this forum
switch over to tell someone who they can
and can not date. Who made you the parent
of this person? :)
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AlliE_18
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2129 Location: uk
Posted: 06-21-06 13:07pm
loulou1980
wrote:
emma2
wrote:
kia, how about a dead end
job and tryin to get an education at the
same time? Or going on welfare and
getting an education? Staying home and
scratching your ass is my big
problem!
thats whats I took advantage of,when I was
on benefits in between jobs
now got pc qualifications coming out of my
ears lol
good for you! I'll probably train in
something, while im on benefits. Then
come off them when im qualified for a
better payed job than just in a store,
where my income will be higher than
benefits, so its worth it. By then my son
will probably be in school too, so i'll
work part time hours during the time hes
at school, and be at home when he is. I
dont see part time hours being more money
than benefits tho so i'll probly still be
on them but less than I am now.
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Kia
Supporter
Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 6594 Location: Planet Tampaxia,
Posted: 06-21-06 13:08pm
emma2
wrote:
... Or going on welfare and
getting an education? Staying home and
scratching your ass is my big
problem!
that is fair enough, but I sure wouldn't
want to be trying to study with a 3 month
old teething - don't think even my warped
sense of humour could find that fun.
But yes in the longer term the idea is
great, if only here they would reduce the
cost of getting an education.
Basically if you quit school at 16 (high
school leaving age) and didn't immediately
go to college for what ever reasons then
you are no longer entitled to a college
placement and you have to pay for your
courses.
These range from £200 ($369) upwards and
it isn't feasible to pay those prices
while on benefits.
Some may not know how the uk works.
Everyone is heavily taxed on any money
they get.
Once that tax has been taken off you, you
then have to pay for a license for
television. You have to pay for basic
ammenities - you have to pay for rain
falling on your roof - I am not joking.
Everyone is entitled to a basic education
and a basic health care.
If you chose a private education - you
still have to pay for the basic place as
well (via your taxes), if you choose
private healthcare - you still have to pay
for the basic care as well (via your
taxes).
These don't get knocked off because you
don't use them, they don't contribute
towards the option of your choice.
I agree food stamps with a agreed list of
purchases would be great because then
people who don't need the assisstance and
who play the system would not benefit but
people who do need it would still
benefit.
They should also provide education courses
for people on benefits (for what ever
reason) with concessions.
If you had stayed in school at 16 you are
entitled to free eduation until at least
18, so surely you should be able to use
those 2 years worth regardless?
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loulou1980
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 168 Location: uk
Posted: 06-21-06 13:10pm
allie_18
wrote:
loulou1980
wrote:
emma2
wrote:
kia, how about a dead end
job and tryin to get an education at the
same time? Or going on welfare and
getting an education? Staying home and
scratching your ass is my big
problem!
thats whats I took advantage of,when I was
on benefits in between jobs
now got pc qualifications coming out of my
ears lol
good for you! I'll probably train in
something, while im on benefits. Then
come off them when im qualified for a
better payed job than just in a store,
where my income will be higher than
benefits, so its worth it. By then my
son will probably be in school too, so
i'll work part time hours during the time
hes at school, and be at home when he is.
I dont see part time hours being more
money than benefits tho so i'll probly
still be on them but less than I am
now.
the government now boost up your money so
you're on a national average.You will get
more help ie rent and council tax benefit
, if you work for approx 16hrs a week.My
college had a creche and it was fully
qualified staff of which if I wanted to I
could have put them in for nothing and if
you are doing a full day at college, you
can pop in, inbetween lessons and lunch
etc to check up on them xx
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loulou1980
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 168 Location: uk
Posted: 06-21-06 13:12pm
kia_breizzze
wrote:
emma2
wrote:
... Or going on welfare
and getting an education? Staying home
and scratching your ass is my big
problem!
that is fair enough, but I sure wouldn't
want to be trying to study with a 3 month
old teething - don't think even my warped
sense of humour could find that fun.
But yes in the longer term the idea is
great, if only here they would reduce the
cost of getting an education.
Basically if you quit school at 16 (high
school leaving age) and didn't immediately
go to college for what ever reasons then
you are no longer entitled to a college
placement and you have to pay for your
courses.
These range from £200 ($369) upwards and
it isn't feasible to pay those prices
while on benefits.
Some may not know how the uk works.
Everyone is heavily taxed on any money
they get.
Once that tax has been taken off you, you
then have to pay for a license for
television. You have to pay for basic
ammenities - you have to pay for rain
falling on your roof - I am not joking.
Everyone is entitled to a basic education
and a basic health care.
If you chose a private education - you
still have to pay for the basic place as
well (via your taxes), if you choose
private healthcare - you still have to pay
for the basic care as well (via your
taxes).
These don't get knocked off because you
don't use them, they don't contribute
towards the option of your choice.
I agree food stamps with a agreed list of
purchases would be great because then
people who don't need the assisstance and
who play the system would not benefit but
people who do need it would still
benefit.
They should also provide education courses
for people on benefits (for what ever
reason) with concessions.
If you had stayed in school at 16 you are
entitled to free eduation until at least
18, so surely you should be able to use
those 2 years worth
regardless?
a lot of the courses now,you do get free
if youre on benefits.Ive done access to
nursing and medical secretary for nothing
:d
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AlliE_18
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2129 Location: uk
Posted: 06-21-06 13:13pm
sadie lynn
wrote:
but if you have the father
pay support then he has rights for
visitation and partial custody. Some
wemen are better off with out the mans
help. My first born I raised by myself
without state help and father name is not
on birthcertificate so no rights for him
and I do not ask for $$ from him. He has
never seen my child better off for my
child. I caught him cheeting on me and
then found out he was using drugs as well
so I did not want that for my child. Now
I am married to a diff man and have 2 more
kids with another on way. The only
assistence I received is medical card
during my last 2 preg. Cause my dh does
not have insurance thru his trucking co.
No ins yet for this preg. As of yet .
Oh and when did this forum switch over to
tell someone who they can and can not
date. Who made you the parent of this
person? :)
thank u!
I also think the same for my son that hes
better off not seeing his father, theres
many reasons, its complicated but hes
never seen him either, doesnt know about
him. Hes in jail and it would be putting
my sons life in danger if I got in contact
with him. I kept thinking should I or
shouldnt i...But my sons safety comes
first so I made my decision. Hopefully
he'll understand when hes older why I did
it, and not resent me too much lol
emma, so what if im with another guy in 2
yrs? You have no point whatsoever. Thats
like telling every woman out there....No
one have a boyfriend because you might
break up and end up with someone else. So
we're all supposed to stay single and not
even try to work a relationship? Lol you
are nuts
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Emma2
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Posted: 06-21-06 13:14pm
allie_18
wrote:
emma2
wrote:
kia, how about a dead end
job and tryin to get an education at the
same time? Or going on welfare and
getting an education? Staying home and
scratching your ass is my big
problem!
staying at home your raising a child not
sat on your a$$, its a 24/7 job, more work
than working in a store or whatever. Im
not losing the time I have with my son for
no good
reason.
allie, yes being a mom is hard work but
you have time to get an education ....Your
child naps and im sure sleeps enough hours
for you to take a couple of courses in the
meantime....Your not the only woman in the
wrold who is single and young and who
stays home but yet there are so many who
have told me they got an education at the
same time. Dont make excuses..There are
none! Everything is possible!
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Emma2
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Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 4406 Location: Montreal, Canada
Thanks: 1
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Posted: 06-21-06 13:15pm
allie_18
wrote:
sadie lynn
wrote:
but if you have the father
pay support then he has rights for
visitation and partial custody. Some
wemen are better off with out the mans
help. My first born I raised by myself
without state help and father name is not
on birthcertificate so no rights for him
and I do not ask for $$ from him. He
has never seen my child better off for my
child. I caught him cheeting on me and
then found out he was using drugs as well
so I did not want that for my child.
Now I am married to a diff man and have 2
more kids with another on way. The
only assistence I received is medical card
during my last 2 preg. Cause my dh
does not have insurance thru his trucking
co. No ins yet for this preg. As
of yet . Oh and when did this forum
switch over to tell someone who they can
and can not date. Who made you the
parent of this person?
:)
thank u!
Lol im nuts? Hahaha...It means that you
shouldnt call him your babies daddy
because he isnt gonna be another long
enough to be called that and in the end
yoiur child will be hurt!! Your too young
to understand any of this but okay you can
call me nuts!!! Lol, yet im not the one
dating someone 25 years older and deciding
to have a child with him after 3 weeks of
dating !!! Haha what a foolish little
girl you are
lol im nuts? Hahaha...It means that you
shouldnt call him your babies daddy
because he isnt gonna be another long
enough to be called that and in the end
yoiur child will be hurt!! Your too
young to understand any of this but okay
you can call me nuts!!! Lol, yet im not
the one dating someone 25 years older and
deciding to have a child with him after 3
weeks of dating !!! Haha what a foolish
little girl you are
i also think the same for my son that hes
better off not seeing his father, theres
many reasons, its complicated but hes
never seen him either, doesnt know about
him. Hes in jail and it would be
putting my sons life in danger if I got in
contact with him. I kept thinking
should I or shouldnt i...But my sons
safety comes first so I made my decision.
Hopefully he'll understand when hes
older why I did it, and not resent me too
much lol
emma, so what if im with another guy in 2
yrs? You have no point whatsoever.
Thats like telling every woman out
there....No one have a boyfriend because
you might break up and end up with someone
else. So we're all supposed to stay
single and not even try to work a
relationship? Lol you are
nuts
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AlliE_18
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2129 Location: uk
Posted: 06-21-06 13:16pm
loulou1980
wrote:
kia_breizzze
wrote:
emma2
wrote:
... Or going on welfare
and getting an education? Staying home
and scratching your ass is my big
problem!
that is fair enough, but I sure wouldn't
want to be trying to study with a 3 month
old teething - don't think even my warped
sense of humour could find that fun.
But yes in the longer term the idea is
great, if only here they would reduce the
cost of getting an education.
Basically if you quit school at 16 (high
school leaving age) and didn't immediately
go to college for what ever reasons then
you are no longer entitled to a college
placement and you have to pay for your
courses.
These range from £200 ($369) upwards and
it isn't feasible to pay those prices
while on benefits.
Some may not know how the uk works.
Everyone is heavily taxed on any money
they get.
Once that tax has been taken off you, you
then have to pay for a license for
television. You have to pay for basic
ammenities - you have to pay for rain
falling on your roof - I am not joking.
Everyone is entitled to a basic education
and a basic health care.
If you chose a private education - you
still have to pay for the basic place as
well (via your taxes), if you choose
private healthcare - you still have to pay
for the basic care as well (via your
taxes).
These don't get knocked off because you
don't use them, they don't contribute
towards the option of your choice.
I agree food stamps with a agreed list of
purchases would be great because then
people who don't need the assisstance and
who play the system would not benefit but
people who do need it would still
benefit.
They should also provide education courses
for people on benefits (for what ever
reason) with concessions.
If you had stayed in school at 16 you are
entitled to free eduation until at least
18, so surely you should be able to use
those 2 years worth
regardless?
a lot of the courses now,you do get free
if youre on benefits.Ive done access to
nursing and medical secretary for nothing
:d
thats good to know =)
we dont get food stamps here? I get free
vouchers for milk though until hes 5yrs
old.
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AlliE_18
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2129 Location: uk
Posted: 06-21-06 13:20pm
emma2
wrote:
allie_18
wrote:
emma2
wrote:
kia, how about a dead end
job and tryin to get an education at the
same time? Or going on welfare and
getting an education? Staying home and
scratching your ass is my big
problem!
staying at home your raising a child not
sat on your a$$, its a 24/7 job, more work
than working in a store or whatever. Im
not losing the time I have with my son for
no good
reason.
allie, yes being a mom is hard work but
you have time to get an education ....Your
child naps and im sure sleeps enough hours
for you to take a couple of courses in the
meantime....Your not the only woman in the
wrold who is single and young and who
stays home but yet there are so many who
have told me they got an education at the
same time. Dont make excuses..There are
none! Everything is
possible!
um yes he naps and I sleep at the same
time in the day because I do everything
myself and im shattered, at night once hes
asleep I have to clean everything away,
wash up, hoover, iron etc, I cant get it
done in the daytime cos hes crying a lot
with his teething. Then once thats done I
have some time to myself or with my
partner. I would go insane without any
time to myself in the evening either on
here or watching tv or whatever. Everyone
needs a break and gets tired especially
doing it mostly on your own. Once he
starts pre-school it would be better to
take course in something.
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AlliE_18
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2129 Location: uk
Posted: 06-21-06 13:22pm
Emma you dont make sense, I should be
single just incase my relationship doesnt
work out? That applies to
.E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E then! Lol
:roll:
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Kia
Supporter
Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 6594 Location: Planet Tampaxia,
Posted: 06-21-06 13:29pm
loulou1980
wrote:
a lot of the courses now,you
do get free if youre on benefits.Ive done
access to nursing and medical secretary
for nothing
:d
must be a recent change then. Because
when I was out of work through no fault of
my own and tried to get on an educational
course I was directed to the "modern
apprenticeship" which meant that I had to
work my butt off for 39 hours to earn £30
- yes £30 per week or £48 on standard
benefits hmmm.
I've looked at doing my a-levels but you
know - even working fulltime on £7 p/h I
can't afford it.
Once the mortgage, water, electric, gas,
groceries, petrol, insurances (home and
car) etc are taken out of our wages, we
live payday to payday.
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loulou1980
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 168 Location: uk
Posted: 06-21-06 13:33pm
kia_breizzze
wrote:
loulou1980
wrote:
a lot of the courses now,you
do get free if youre on benefits.Ive done
access to nursing and medical secretary
for nothing
:d
must be a recent change then. Because
when I was out of work through no fault of
my own and tried to get on an educational
course I was directed to the "modern
apprenticeship" which meant that I had to
work my butt off for 39 hours to earn £30
- yes £30 per week or £48 on standard
benefits hmmm.
I've looked at doing my a-levels but you
know - even working fulltime on £7 p/h I
can't afford it.
Once the mortgage, water, electric, gas,
groceries, petrol, insurances (home and
car) etc are taken out of our wages, we
live payday to
payday.
the access to nursing I did in 2001,and
the medical secretary I finished last year
:d stupid really as the government dont
help you out,before I went back to work I
went to learn direct to see about doing a
refresher course in excell,to be told ive
got to pay 200 as im too
qualified,basically youve goto be out of
work and thick :roll:
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Emma2
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Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 4406 Location: Montreal, Canada
Thanks: 1
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Posted: 06-21-06 13:34pm
allie_18
wrote:
emma you dont make sense, I
should be single just incase my
relationship doesnt work out? That
applies to .E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E then! Lol
:roll:
are u that dense? What doesnt make
sense? I never said be single!!! I
said why are u thinking that having a 3
week relationship and planning a child
with this older man. Is this normal and
a good example for your child?
Did you not say its 3 weeks you know him?
Did you not say he was 1 quarter of a
century older than you?
Did you not say you are planning on ttc
with this man?
Common ...You cant be that stupid? Tell
me exactly what doesnt make sense ...I
will spell it out letter for letter!
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Ingi
Supporter
Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 8884 Location: Grinning like a Cheshire Cat,
Thanks: 171
Thanked:197
Posted: 06-21-06 13:40pm
emma2
wrote:
are u that dense? What doesnt make
sense? I never said be single!!! I
said why are u thinking that having a 3
week relationship and planning a child
with this older man. Is this normal and
a good example for your child?
Did you not say its 3 weeks you know
him?
Did you not say he was 1 quarter of a
century older than you?
Did you not say you are planning on ttc
with this man?
Common ...You cant be that stupid? Tell
me exactly what doesnt make sense ...I
will spell it out letter for
letter!
emma, while I 150% agree with you on this
subject, I will tell you that this person
is not going to listen to a word we say
(write). So it is better not to get
yourself worked up over not being able to
'reason' with her. It's ok, one day
she'll look back and go, "oh gee, the
people on that forum were right!"
and if not, then she'll live happily ever
after.
We know what comes first though, right?
;)
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Emma2
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Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 4406 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: 06-21-06 13:42pm
ingi
wrote:
emma2
wrote:
are u that dense? What doesnt make
sense? I never said be single!!! I
said why are u thinking that having a 3
week relationship and planning a child
with this older man. Is this normal
and a good example for your child?
Did you not say its 3 weeks you know
him?
Did you not say he was 1 quarter of a
century older than you?
Did you not say you are planning on ttc
with this man?
Common ...You cant be that stupid?
Tell me exactly what doesnt make sense
...I will spell it out letter for
letter!
emma, while I 150% agree with you on this
subject, I will tell you that this person
is not going to listen to a word we say
(write). So it is better not to get
yourself worked up over not being able to
'reason' with her. It's ok, one day
she'll look back and go, "oh gee, the
people on that forum were right!"
and if not, then she'll live happily ever
after.
We know what comes first though, right?
;)
you know youre so right...No use in trying
to talk to someone as smart as a mule.
Shes a youngster and will learn the hard
way and I think she will remember me. Oh
well, on to better topics!!!
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Kia
Supporter
Joined: 23 Jun 2004 Posts: 6594 Location: Planet Tampaxia,
Posted: 06-21-06 13:44pm
loulou1980
wrote:
the access to nursing I did
in 2001,and the medical secretary I
finished last year :d stupid really as the
government dont help you out,before I went
back to work I went to learn direct to see
about doing a refresher course in
excell,to be told ive got to pay 200 as im
too qualified,basically youve goto be out
of work and thick
:roll:
where I work they do nvq courses - thought
"oh that'll be a good idea" - oh no, you
have to be under 24 for at least 1 year of
the course to be accepted. So that went
out the window.
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Emma2
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Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 4406 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: 06-21-06 13:44pm
Mcnuggets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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loulou1980
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 168 Location: uk
Posted: 06-21-06 13:46pm
kia_breizzze
wrote:
loulou1980
wrote:
the access to nursing I did
in 2001,and the medical secretary I
finished last year :d stupid really as the
government dont help you out,before I went
back to work I went to learn direct to see
about doing a refresher course in
excell,to be told ive got to pay 200 as im
too qualified,basically youve goto be out
of work and thick
:roll:
where I work they do nvq courses - thought
"oh that'll be a good idea" - oh no, you
have to be under 24 for at least 1 year of
the course to be accepted. So that went
out the
window.
thats a bugger :x
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loulou1980
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 168 Location: uk
Posted: 06-21-06 13:46pm
emma2
wrote:
mcnuggets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dont let the kids eat maccy d's but I go
there,although nuggets are cack :lol:
