because even if adoption might be the best
option for everyone involved, many times
girls can't stand to see the baby go away,
and so their lives are ruined permanently,
either because they stress over that for
the rest of their lives, or they decide to
keep the baby, and never get to have the
life they wanted and deserved. That's
not right!
and if you abort then you live the rest of
your life stressed that you killed your
child. So that and what you said shows
that what is best is to wait and have sex
when you are ready for parenting. At
least if you have the baby you still can
succeed and you will be free of guilt, it
is a complete lie to say that you can't
have a career because you got pregnant.
With abortion there is no way you can
erase from your life that you killed your
baby. Abortion is irreversible damage.
Having the baby when not ready is
reversible damage.
eiri
wrote:
we should not be causing pain to people
who already exist!
exactly this includes the fetuses because
they too exist!
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Posted: 07-24-06 21:38pm
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
because even if adoption might be the best
option for everyone involved, many times
girls can't stand to see the baby go away,
and so their lives are ruined permanently,
either because they stress over that for
the rest of their lives, or they decide to
keep the baby, and never get to have the
life they wanted and deserved. That's
not right!
and if you abort then you live the rest of
your life stressed that you killed your
child.
actually, many women don't. There are
consiquences either way.
Quote:
so that and what
you said shows that what is best is to
wait and have sex when you are ready for
parenting. At least if you have the
baby you still can succeed and you will be
free of guilt, it is a complete lie to say
that you can't have a career because you
got pregnant.
most women can not. Most pre-marital
relationships break up when a baby comes
along.
Quote:
with abortion
there is no way you can erase from your
life that you killed your baby.
Abortion is irreversible damage. Having
the baby when not ready is reversible
damage.
how so?! Now you have to care for this
person for at least 18 years if not
longer; and you weren't necessarily done
growing up yourself!
Quote:
eiri
wrote:
we should not be causing pain to people
who already exist!
exactly this includes the fetuses because
they too
exist!
no it doesn't, fetuses aren't people.
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Posted: 07-24-06 22:03pm
Eiri I am not replying to your instances
because nothing that you said presents a
strong argument.
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Posted: 07-25-06 00:46am
You do not believe that both abortion and
adoption can have long lasting traumatic
emotional effects? (and keeping the baby
too, for that metter?)
have you also not noticed that most women
who conveive out of wedlock either don't
marry the father, or end up divorcing him
soon after?
And giving birth is most definately not
reversible! How can you even imply such a
thing? Adoption is also not reversible;
once thie child is signed away, it is no
longer yours, end of story. Pregnancy on
the other hand, is reversible, with an
abortion.
And fetuses aren't people. People have
personalities, and thoughts and emotions.
A developting fetus simply can not,
biologically.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 07-25-06 08:12am
sandyallen
wrote:
i very much agree with you
.Eiri! She has never been in a
situation like that where the baby is
miserable and not taken care of correctly
or lives on life support until the final
decision is made, she has never walked in
people's shoes where the fetus and the
mother has been kicked and beaten and the
fetus never continues to grow and it does
no longer look like a fetus anylonger but
I will not argue with her or cowboy
because they think they know it all!
I got tired of all of the name calling and
the bashing, that is why I will not deal
with them anymore and it is my choice.
It seems like pretty much every pro-choice
that comes on here gets bashed by them at
one time or the other and it gets old.
So many of these people do not realize
that abortion is sometimes necessary, that
is why I believe in a choice. I used
to be pro-life until I saw a lot of things
that happened.
Have a great day
.Eiri!
what is your.E.D.I.T. Problem sandyallen
I am sick of you attacking me you have
never proved anything and cannot which is
why you will not respond to me, if you do
not want to respond to me stop bringing me
into your stupid sychophantic posts and
stop replying in my threads.
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Tylanas
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Posted: 07-25-06 13:38pm
How in the world is sandyallen attacking
you, when this debate involves me and
nightangel!? Yeah, she mentioned your
name; mostly because you are one of the
pro-lifers most likely to not agree to
anything we say, even if we claim the sky
is blue. Please read the pm I sent you in
response to your locked topic. All she
said is that she isn't going to argue with
you any more because you always act like
you know everything. That's not
attacking.
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Meandering Away
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Posted: 07-25-06 14:59pm
eiri
wrote:
how in the world is
sandyallen attacking you, when this debate
involves me and nightangel!? Yeah, she
mentioned your name; mostly because you
are one of the pro-lifers most likely to
not agree to anything we say, even if we
claim the sky is blue. Please read the
pm I sent you in response to your locked
topic. All she said is that she isn't
going to argue with you any more because
you always act like you know everything.
That's not
attacking.
whatever, it is never an attack by pc is
it eiri.Why can you lot not get the point,
how many times do I have to tell you lot I
believe in people making their own
choices,so how can you say I never agree
with you even if you said the sky was
blue, now that is a bald faced lie, so why
do you just see my name and start on
me.She had no reason once again to bring
my name into it but you have just proved
my post that was locked, I believe it to
be an attack and as it was aimed at me
what you think has no bearing, but like I
said its ok to attack pro life isn't it
eiri.
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Posted: 07-30-06 16:30pm
sunshine424
wrote:
oh hun, spare me okay. Your only
trying to justify abortion. If you had
or are having an abortion, you may also be
trying to make yourself feel better, like
more of a person.
spare me fom your emotional
babble! I don't need to make myself
feel better but thanks for the patronizing
concern. I'm pleased I madre the
decision to abort and not continue with
the pregnancy, I don't need to
justify mine (or any other womans)
abortion.
sunshine424
wrote:
I hate to break it to you,
but abortion is going to make you less of
a person.
and i'm sorry to break it to you that you
know nothing about abortion. It doesn't
make you less of a person, your small
minded opinion really doesn't ount for
jack
sunshine424
wrote:
anyone that can intentionally go and
terminate their own child, is not all
there. Anyone that can do that, does
not have a whole heart to deal with in the
first place. I'm sorry, there is no
way you can convince me otherwise.
and that's your choice, I don't want to
convince you of anything but perhaps some
greateer understanding would help. I
have a full heart, i'm not any less of a
person for aborting. I'm certainly "all
there".
sunshine424
wrote:
if I was in the worst
possible situation......Poor, mentally
incompitable, sick, etc......I would
deliver the child and ***safely** leave
the child with the local police dept.
that's your choice, thankfully I was free
to make a different choice for me - the
one which was best in my iondividual
situation.
sunshine424
wrote:
did you know that is legal
and is done and offered everywhere?
There are choices,
alternatives.
yes, I considered them alongside
abortion.
sunshine424
wrote:
abortion just allows you
to not have to deal with the actual
delivery, with looking your flesh and
blood in the eyes.
and allows you to not be pregnant if you
don't wish to be. Not everyone wants
kids, not everyone wants to support a
z/e/f for 9months and so adoption is not a
solution for alot of unwanted
pregnancies.
sunshine424
wrote:
abortion is homicide. If
you insist that it is not, because it is
legal and what makes homicide "homicide"
is that it is illegal, than we will call
it **killing**. There is no difference
in the act, just in the
name.
one more time. It isn't. I'm
appreciateing that that fact could be
tattood onto your forehead and you'd still
insist you were right but logic clearly
isn't a strong point i'm guessing.
There is a difference in the act but
there's no point as it's like banging my
head against a brick wall.
sunshine424
wrote:
if that makes you happier,
than go have your cake. Just be
prepared to deal with the consequences,
whatever they may
be.
thanks but my life is just great thanks
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Posted: 07-30-06 20:44pm
moo
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
abortion is homicide.
If you insist that it is not, because it
is legal and what makes homicide
"homicide" is that it is illegal, than we
will call it **killing**. There is no
difference in the act, just in the
name.
one more time. It isn't. I'm
appreciateing that that fact could be
tattood onto your forehead and you'd still
insist you were right but logic clearly
isn't a strong point i'm guessing.
There is a difference in the act but
there's no point as it's like banging my
head against a brick wall.
moo tell me something honestly do all your
friends know you had abortion? If you are
around a new group of people, coworkers
would you mind saying to them that you had
an abortion? I hear often the stories of
my friends and coworkers regarding their
miscarriages but I had never heard of any
friend or coworker of mine ever telling me
of voluntary abortions that they had. How
do you feel about this? Do you feel it is
something that you need to hide? Just
curious..
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Posted: 07-31-06 11:40am
nightangel73
wrote:
moo tell me something honestly do all your
friends know you had abortion?
my close friends and family do, yes. As
for "all" of my friends, of course they
don't, just as they don't know i've had a
miscarriage or that i've had staples in my
arm! It's my medical history and I only
share it with those who I would like to
know.
nightangel73
wrote:
if you are around a new
group of people, coworkers would you mind
saying to them that you had an
abortion?
i wouldn't just come out and say it but if
the conversation turned to abortion then
i'd not have a problem mentioning it. I'm
not ashamed of it.
nightangel73
wrote:
I hear often the stories of my friends
and coworkers regarding their miscarriages
but I had never heard of any friend or
coworker of mine ever telling me of
voluntary abortions that they
had.
i'd say that's because of the nature of
abortion, it's still a very taboo subject
and women are worried about being judged
or misunderstood (from my experience). I
wouldn't talk about my miscarriage either,
possibly if they were the conversation
topic but I wouldn't voluntarily talk
about my medical history if not entirely
relevant to the conversation.
nightangel73
wrote:
how do you feel about this?
Do you feel it is something that you
need to hide? Just
curious..
not at all but I am very aware of the
judgement of women who have terminated.
The topic can be very uncomfortable for
some people.
That's just my opinion, I guess each woman
is different iykwim?
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Posted: 07-31-06 11:43am
Just to add, I think that's a very valid
point you raised and I don't think i've
seen it brought up on here before
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cowboys
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
how in the world is
sandyallen attacking you, when this debate
involves me and nightangel!? Yeah, she
mentioned your name; mostly because you
are one of the pro-lifers most likely to
not agree to anything we say, even if we
claim the sky is blue. Please read the
pm I sent you in response to your locked
topic. All she said is that she isn't
going to argue with you any more because
you always act like you know everything.
That's not
attacking.
whatever, it is never an attack by pc is
it eiri.Why can you lot not get the point,
how many times do I have to tell you lot I
believe in people making their own
choices,so how can you say I never agree
with you even if you said the sky was
blue, now that is a bald faced lie, so why
do you just see my name and start on
me.She had no reason once again to bring
my name into it but you have just proved
my post that was locked, I believe it to
be an attack and as it was aimed at me
what you think has no bearing, but like I
said its ok to attack pro life isn't it
eiri.
we were asked ages ago to take our
argument to pm's. I assume by the fact
that you didn't reply to mine that you
agree with me.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 07-31-06 16:29pm
Again, abortion is not the same thing as
m**dering if it was ever female that has
aborted would either be in prison or jail.
It has to do with choice and sometimes it
is necessry to have it done. It deals
more with terminating a pregnancy aand is
not done out of the act of anger or hate
it is doing what is necessary for what is
necessary at the time!
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sandyallen
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Posted: 07-31-06 17:07pm
A z/e/f is a z/e/f, not a person yet or a
baby yet or a child yet, you may call him
or her a baby, if you want but in all
reality it is not, you don't take care of
one like it is, heck it is not even a full
grown person yet, as .Eiri said it does
not have its own personality, thoughts and
emotions, there I agree with you! It is
not a baby until it is born! Just my
opinion also! Their are times that I do
not like to see an abortion but I am not
walking in that female's shoes and she was
not walking in mine and their must be a
reason or else she would not be doing it
just like my situations and that is what
pro-choice is about is being understanding
and standing by the person whether you
feel it is right or wrong afterall
sometimes it is more necessary then what
we know!
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Posted: 07-31-06 20:47pm
moo
wrote:
just to add, I think that's
a very valid point you raised and I don't
think i've seen it brought up on here
before
yes it is, I would like others that had
abortions to share their comments about
this as well. Thanks for sharing
