Firstly, what does whether they've been
helpful or not have to do with my
assertion that love is actually
self-interest?
Secondly, doctors know quite a bit about
cancer, without actually having contracted
the disease themselves.
By your reasoning, you have to have
experienced something directly to know
anything about it.
But of course, anyone with half a brain
knows that this isn't necessarily so.
These doctors performed
experiments, asked questions, conducted
research, observed people with the disease
and collated the relevant data.
If the only way of acquiring
knowledge was through direct personal
experience, how do you explain the fact
that universities are churning out newly
qualified historians everyday, all over
the world? They weren't there
to experience the events they studied, and
yet they gradually become expert within
that given area of history.
How are psychologists able to diagnose
someone as suffering one mental illness
instead of another. They can't
actually experience or feel the
sufferer's symptoms can they?
They've never been mentally ill themselves
have they? So how can they know
anything about it? You may not know
what it feels like to suffer a psychotic
episode, but you can study psychosis, and
discover more about it. You can end up
knowing more about it than the person who
actually suffered the psychosis.
Who is generally considered more
knowledgeable; the doctor or the
patient?
How do you know that shooting someone with
a gun, will severely injure them, if not
kill them? How do you know
that they will feel fear when you point
the gun at them? How do you know
these things when you've never actually
pointed a gun at someone and shot them?
There are many different ways of learning
about the world.
Thirdly, read what I wrote and
counterargue my points then.
If you can't but still choose to
refute what it is I say simply by saying
it isn't so, then it is you who are akin
to that clueless little 10 yr old adding
their two cents to an adult discussion
they know nothing about.
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Melissa_20
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 6806 Location: Florida
Posted: 08-02-06 09:03am
uzaman
wrote:
Quote:
i did not come in
here to rebuttle to something else we were
talking about in a completly different
thread
that's because you can't! Hence why you
never
replied.
um no retard its because
you said it was over when I tried to come
back with something.Will you just get
ovwer yourself already? Good lord!
You know not to touch the stove because
someone told you it was hot. . .Hear
say.And yeah,you know some things about
love but not all.You have never been there
so your opinion is obviously one sided.I
think you need to shut your trap cause no
one here wants the advise you gove.Its
lame.Please go away mr. Uzafag
thank you spirit!
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diamondsz
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Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 3173 Location: , Candyland-Canada
Thanks: 74
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Posted: 08-02-06 09:56am
This sickens me, honestly if she is having
sex with you know accept that she is
dedicating herself to you enjoy that and
take the moment in your grasp and cherish
it...
She has never done anything drop the past
if you cant forget then maybe you shouldnt
be together but the issue will never be
solved because every relationship you
attempt you will be thinkg of all the men
they have been sleeping with.
Honestly you need to seek councelling
a good quote
~the only way to advance in life is to
forget and move on
~cherish happiness it is not everyday
everything you do is a choice, you make a
choice to be happy, you make a choice to
be negative not everyday is going great
but you have to make the best of it or you
will be miserable for the rest of your
life living on regrets instead of focusing
on what could happen..
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Melissa_20
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 6806 Location: Florida
Posted: 08-02-06 10:06am
diamondsz
wrote:
everything you do is a
choice, you make a choice to be happy, you
make a choice to be negative not everyday
is going great but you have to make the
best of it or you will be miserable for
the rest of your life living on regrets
instead of focusing on what could
happen..
i totally agree!
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Uzaman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 147
Posted: 08-02-06 14:27pm
Quote:
um no retard its
because you said it was over when I tried
to come back with
something
.
Now don't start lying like the pathetic
human you are. This is the comment
where you accused me of ignorance because
I originally refused to answer you because
you began insulting me.
Quote:
oh no,don't go
there hun! They will tell you that you
didn;t read their post properly.They are
talking about love between bf gf,dh &
wife. . .If I am so self intersested
why do I do things for my boyfriend to be
happy?Why would we cry when they die?Why
would we cry when they do something that
hurts you(if you were only in it for
yourself)?There is so many things I can
think of to ask but they are too ignornat
to answer.Just a non believer who is being
rediculous about love and
life.
.
So I replied with this post.
[quote]the reason you do things for your
boyfriend is because you derive some
measure of personal satisfaction from
having done it, which by extension,
panders to your self-interest. However
just the other day you were talking in
another thread about not being sure about
your boyfriend, and wanting to investigate
the possiblities of a dating agency of
some kind. You contemplate the idea of
leaving your boyfriend to explore new
horizons while claiming to love him and to
want to do nice things for him? Has he
beaten you? Does he emotionally abuse
you? No, the reason you gave was that
you were not sure about him. What, does
he talk to himself im his sleep? Does he
wear his socks to bed? Pick his nose?
Pfft, you do not love him, you love
yourself. If you loved him, you would be
sure, and the thought of dating anyone
else would be anathema to you.
As for parental love or hatred; that is
also self-interest. Take for instance,
parents who disown their children because
their children are gay. Where is the
parents love there? They will actually
proclaim their wish never to see their own
flesh and blood again, simply because of
their child's sexual preferences?
That parent's religio-cultural influences
have shaped their moral choices, ethical
values, and perspectives on the world.
These influences have moulded that
parent's character, personality, how they
approach life, and the expectations they
have of themselves and others; especially
their children, who are looked on as the
newest link in a chain of cultural/moral
continuity. This becomes the very
essence of that parents object of
self-interest; a wish to see that
continuity remained unbroken. So in the
interests of 'self-interest', they turn
their back on their own flesh and blood,
rather than face the fact that their child
has indeed broken the chain, and chosen
another path.
Outwardly, this takes on the appearance of
hatred, but it is merely self-interest.
Similarly, you cry if your 'loved ones'
die for the same reason; whether you're
speaking about biological relations, or
your partner. You have lost something
you desired in your life at that point in
time. The operative word here is 'you'.
Again, when speaking of yourself (or as
you would say, 'i'), that is the very
essence of self-interest. Family greatly
influences a child's attitudes, values and
learning, their development, and who they
will become; their ability to make sense
of the world, and to make their way in it.
You have become reliant on them to guide
you, or at least support you. It is
therefore in your interest that they
remain in your life. Therefore you
experience sorrow when they are gone.
This time 'self-interest' takes on the
outward appearance of grief.
Self-interest also involves the pursuit of
pleasure. Your partner makes you happy,
makes you feel good; he or she enriches
your life in some way, and is (for various
reasons) what you want for yourself in
your life. Therefore when their partners
are gone, humans experience the same
resulting emotions, because they have
suffered loss; but its antecedent driving
factor is once again 'self-interest'. In
short, humans grieve for themselves, not
their lost mates, or familial loved ones.
Okay melissa_12, see if you can answer
without attempting to assail me with one
syllable insults.[\quote]
and you've been running ever since.
Twit!
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Melissa_20
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 6806 Location: Florida
Posted: 08-02-06 14:36pm
uzaman
wrote:
the reason you do things for
your boyfriend is because you derive some
measure of personal satisfaction from
having done it, which by extension,
panders to your self-interest. However
just the other day you were talking in
another thread about not being sure about
your boyfriend, and wanting to investigate
the possiblities of a dating agency of
some kind. You contemplate the idea of
leaving your boyfriend to explore new
horizons while claiming to love him and to
want to do nice things for him? Has he
beaten you? Does he emotionally abuse
you? No, the reason you gave was that
you were not sure about him.
ok now you've gone too far.I do love my
boyfriend and I would do anything to make
him happy.Not for myself but for .H.I.M!
I said I was not sure of him because
retarded people like you don't need to
know the details of my business! It's
not to explore new horizons or cuase he
picks his nose.I have put up with more
than your tiny brain could ever imagine.
You don't know me and you don't know my
relationship.Don't sit here and question
me you little prlck.Don't talk aboutthings
you know nothing about!
Edited to say you are the biggest fool and
have no idea what you are talking
about.I'm no longer erplying to you cause
you are ignorant and you crossed a line.Go
play in traffic. . .
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Uzaman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 147
Posted: 08-02-06 14:41pm
More name calling but no answer to my
point you 250lb yeti pig. You're too
dumb to understand you're agreeing with
me. You don't love him because you
were talking about leaving him and joining
a dating agency, you oblivious, flaccid
breasted harlot!
Stick to what you know; the simpsons, and
dating inmates from the local county jail,
because no man worth his salt would ever
deign to date a zit encrusted,
below-average dullard like you.
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Melissa_20
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 6806 Location: Florida
Posted: 08-02-06 14:43pm
Cool =)
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~*~Jillian~*~
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 1759 Location: Tennessee, USA
Posted: 08-02-06 15:03pm
uzaman
wrote:
more name calling but no
answer to my point you 250lb yeti pig.
You're too dumb to understand you're
agreeing with me. You don't love him
because you were talking about leaving him
and joining a dating agency, you
oblivious, flaccid breasted harlot!
Stick to what you know; the simpsons, and
dating inmates from the local county jail,
because no man worth his salt would ever
deign to date a zit encrusted,
below-average dullard like
you.
haha mel is soo fat ...Shesh...You must
not know who you are talking about...And
she doesnt weigh 250 she weighs 450..And I
medical answer the hel*outta her every
night and its dam* good...So stop messing
with my women and grow up...;)..Haha mel
dont worry about this coward...People that
talk down on you ...Are insecure--and this
person is probably the fat nasty sob that
doesnt have a life ..!!
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Melissa_20
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 6806 Location: Florida
Posted: 08-02-06 15:04pm
~*~jillian~*~
wrote:
uzaman
wrote:
more name calling but no
answer to my point you 250lb yeti pig.
You're too dumb to understand you're
agreeing with me. You don't love
him because you were talking about leaving
him and joining a dating agency, you
oblivious, flaccid breasted harlot!
Stick to what you know; the simpsons, and
dating inmates from the local county jail,
because no man worth his salt would ever
deign to date a zit encrusted,
below-average dullard like
you.
haha mel is soo fat ...Shesh...You must
not know who you are talking about...And
she doesnt weigh 250 she weighs 450..And I
medical answer the hel*outta her every
night and its dam* good...So stop messing
with my women and grow up...;)..Haha mel
dont worry about this coward...People that
talk down on you ...Are insecure--and this
person is probably the fat nasty sob that
doesnt have a life
..!!
lmao! I love you
jillian! This guy talks like he is
somebody! Lol
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Uzaman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 147
Posted: 08-02-06 15:07pm
So when 'your woman' referred to me as
dumb then she must also have been doing it
because she was insecure.
You expect me to believe that was your
knobbly kneed, bucktooth boyfriend
defending your honor like sir wankalot?
Lol, tell the truth. That was your
little brother wasn't it. Or another
of your girlfriends. And if you are
her boyfriend, how can you f*ck her every
night with that microscopic thing between
your legs. It's so small, if you were
to dab a little bit of clearasil on it, it
would disappear.
Looooooooooool
stop pretending it's a d*ck, and just pop
it already so it can heal.
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~*~Jillian~*~
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 1759 Location: Tennessee, USA
Posted: 08-02-06 15:23pm
Haha this person is seriously medical
answer...Hahaha I think I piss*d my
pants...Hahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahhaahahhaahah
shew calm down ...
Dude or chick or whatever the hel* you
are...Im a girl and im mel's friend...Not
her boyfriend...And as for me not having
teeth...Hunny my teeth are perfectly fine
..Thanks to my parents paying for
braces...Ya know the things that are metal
and stick to your teeth and make them
straight and pretty?...Well I was
explaining because you are a
"dumbas*"...Get over yourself and stop
acting like you know us
personally..Because seriously I dont have
a "penis"....I have a cooch...And the post
earilier was a joke ..And if you couldnt
tell ..Then your a r e t a r d ...And plus
look at my username sucker..Its jillian
hrmm isnt that a g I r l name
sweetie..Screwoff and shut the heck up
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Uzaman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 147
Posted: 08-02-06 15:34pm
Quote:
seriously I dont
have a "penis"....I have a cooch...And the
post earilier was a
joke
you're lying you suspender wearing nancy
boy. Just because your little willy is
small enough to be classified as a
clitoris doesn't make you female.
You're still male (albeit, just barely).
And how the hell are your parents going
to afford braces when your dad is on
welfare, and your mum is walking around
with a mattress super glued to her back?
Just shut the f*ck up with your fantasical
clap trap day-dreaming nonsense will ya
and come back down to earth. Get used to
reality. You've got no money, no job,
no education, your girlfriend looks like
she ran into a wall. Actually she looks
like that wall ran into her, and your dick
looks like you need to get it lanced.
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Melissa_20
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 6806 Location: Florida
Posted: 08-02-06 15:54pm
Wow,you really think you know what your
talking about don't you?
Maybe its his way of telling us how his
life really is jillian.Maybe he's 1 of 15
children and his mom cant afford to get
him braces for his messed up teeth or
surgury to get him a bigger penls cause
she can barely get by on welfare. . Poor
guy.I see now why he needs to talk himself
up.I'll pray for you hun! =) have a nice
day!
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Uzaman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 147
Posted: 08-02-06 15:59pm
Do us a favour will ya, and come up with
your own insult, you dim wattage,
genetically inferior, kimono troglodtye.
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~*~Jillian~*~
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 1759 Location: Tennessee, USA
Posted: 08-02-06 16:02pm
uzaman
wrote:
Quote:
seriously I dont
have a "penis"....I have a cooch...And the
post earilier was a
joke
you're lying you suspender wearing nancy
boy. Just because your little willy is
small enough to be classified as a
clitoris doesn't make you female.
You're still male (albeit, just barely).
And how the hell are your parents going
to afford braces when your dad is on
welfare, and your mum is walking around
with a mattress super glued to her back?
Just shut the f*ck up with your fantasical
clap trap day-dreaming nonsense will ya
and come back down to earth. Get used
to reality. You've got no money, no
job, no education, your girlfriend looks
like she ran into a wall. Actually she
looks like that wall ran into her, and
your penis looks like you need to get it
lanced.
sweetie I think you need
to come back to earth...Because you dont
know me at all..For one I have a job im a
vet technician ..And im also starting
college in january to be a surgical
technologist...And I just graduated
highschool with a 3.4 gpa ...So as much as
you would like to think im a stupid
fool...Im not....Y.O.U..A.R.E
hunny...--and not to mention I have my own
place...And I take care of myself ...And
as for your response about my parents
...You can go medical question
yourself...Because both my parents are
dead..They got killed in a car accident
when I was 17 ...--so maybe you should
stop assuming crap and thinking you know
everything...Because you dont...Your just
a piece of sh*t ...And your wasting
perfectly good air so ...You know
what...Im actually a very nice person but
I hope that something horrible happens to
you..For what you said about my mom and
dad...And I hope they haunt your as* in
your dreams...You assh*le ...Now get a
life you fat sob...
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~*~Jillian~*~
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 1759 Location: Tennessee, USA
Posted: 08-02-06 16:04pm
Dont worry ..Mel im going to tell the
admin about this ...Because the guys
messaged me the other day and he is
calling me this weekend about making
improvements on this forum..So I will just
give him this low lifes username so they
can be "taken care of"..If you know what I
mean mel;)
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Melissa_20
Especially EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 6806 Location: Florida
Posted: 08-02-06 16:16pm
~*~jillian~*~
wrote:
dont worry ..Mel im going to
tell the admin about this ...Because the
guys messaged me the other day and he is
calling me this weekend about making
improvements on this forum..So I will just
give him this low lifes username so they
can be "taken care of"..If you know what I
mean mel;)
good.I don't care if I
get banned too he needs to be gone.What
the hell is he doing in a relationship
forum if he doesn't believe in love?No one
wants to hear his bunch of bs.Even though
I swore at you uzaman,i was not nearly as
nasty as you.You are saying things that
are uncalled for and wrong.You have no
business here.
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Uzaman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 147
Posted: 08-02-06 16:32pm
Quote:
sweetie I think
you need to come back to
earth...
you think wrong
Quote:
because you dont
know me at
all..
yes, I do. You're the type of person who
comes on all swagger and confidence as if
you're going to make a difference when ten
others have already tried and failed.
You hurl a few names and then you're being
outclassed, so you start hiding behind
limp wristed threats of sending in the
admin to sort the other guy out, in the
hopes that will get them to back down.
In short, you're a w*nker.
Quote:
for one I have a
job im a vet
technician
bullsh*t, you come here pretending to be a
guy (well that's what you tried to have me
believe) when you're a girl, so you can
pretend that you f*ck your friend every
night, in order to save her the
embarrassment of being referred to as
weighing 250lbs, and you expect my to
believe you work as a vet tech; or that
you work at all?????
You're on the dole, and the only reason
you're able to post at all here is because
the probation office allows you to use
their computers.
Quote:
and I just
graduated highschool with a 3.4
gpa
people who log onto message boards
pretending to be of the opposite sex don't
graduate from anywhere.
Quote:
so as much as you
would like to think im a stupid fool...Im
not....
you are. The fact that you have to sit
there and try to convince someone, that
you've never seen before in your life,
that you are not an fool screams out
insecurity. You are an fool, and you
know it.
[quote]not to mention I have my own
place...[quote]
so what? Plenty idiots have their own
place. Welfare will give you your own
place. That fact that you think having
your own place doesn't make you an fool,
also tells me that you're an fool.
Quote:
and I take care
of myself
with goverment funds.
Quote:
you can go
medical question yourself...Because both
my parents are
dead..
so are mine, but when you're arguing with
someone you've never seen, and you start
talking about your parent getting your
braces, you're asking for it. If you
can't stand the heat you little wuss, then
stay the medical question out of it!
Don't go playing the violins after the
fact you prat.
Quote:
your just a piece
of sh*t ...And your wasting perfectly good
air so ...You know
what...
i'm sensing a little anger here. Was it
something I said?
Quote:
im actually a
very nice
person
what a piss poor attempt to elicit some
sympathy for yourself. You really are
pathetic arent you. You hurl abuse, I
hurl abuse. Where's the difference?
You're a fool.
Quote:
but I hope that
something horrible happens to
you
and I hope something worse something
happens to you.
Quote:
for what you said
about my mom and dad...And I hope they
haunt your as* in your dreams...You
assh*le ...Now get a life you fat
sob...
you sound like you're 6 years old. You
forgot to stick your tongue out. Lol.
What a dunce!
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Uzaman
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 147
Posted: 08-02-06 16:34pm
Quote:
sweetie I think
you need to come back to
earth...
you think wrong
Quote:
because you dont
know me at
all..
yes, I do. You're the type of person
who comes on all swagger and confidence as
if you're going to make a difference when
ten others have already tried and failed.
You hurl a few names and then when you
realise you're being outclassed, so you
start hiding behind limp wristed threats
of sending in the admin to sort the other
guy out, in the hopes that will get them
to back down. Or you start crying
about how they hurt your feelings. No
one asked you to join in. In short,
you're a soft w*nker.
Quote:
for one I have a
job im a vet
technician
bullsh*t, you come here pretending to be a
guy (well that's what you tried to have me
believe) when you're a girl, so you can
pretend that you f*ck your friend every
night, in order to save her the
embarrassment of being referred to as
weighing 250lbs, and you expect my to
believe you work as a vet tech; or that
you work at all?????
You're on the dole, and the only reason
you're able to post at all here is because
the probation office allows you to use
their computers.
Quote:
and I just
graduated highschool with a 3.4
gpa
people who log onto message boards
pretending to be of the opposite sex don't
graduate from anywhere.
Quote:
so as much as you
would like to think im a stupid fool...Im
not....
you are. The fact that you have to sit
there while on the internet and try to
convince someone, that you've never seen
before in your life, that you are not an
fool screams out insecurity. You are
an fool, and you know it.
[quote]not to mention I have my own
place...[quote]
so what? Plenty idiots have their own
place. Welfare will give you your own
place. The fact that you think having
your own place doesn't make you an fool,
also tells me that you're an fool.
Quote:
and I take care
of myself
with goverment funds.
Quote:
you can go
medical question yourself...Because both
my parents are
dead..
listen you joined the argument. You
mentioned your parents, and you start
talking about your parents getting your
braces, you're asking for it. If you
can't stand the heat you little wuss, then
stay the medical question out of it!
Don't go playing the violins after the
fact you prat.
Quote:
your just a piece
of sh*t ...And your wasting perfectly good
air so ...You know
what...
i'm sensing a little anger here. Was
it something I said?
Quote:
im actually a
very nice
person
what a sorry attempt to elicit some
sympathy for yourself. You really are
pathetic arent you. You hurl abuse, I
hurl abuse. Where's the difference?
You're a fool.
Quote:
but I hope that
something horrible happens to
you
and I hope something worse something
happens to you.
Quote:
for what you said
about my mom and dad...And I hope they
haunt your as* in your dreams...You
assh*le ...Now get a life you fat
sob...
you sound like you're 6 years old. You
forgot to stick your tongue out. Lol.
What a dunce!
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