Does a Z/e/f Have a Right to Life? Posted: 07-25-06 06:30am
:?: I was just curious as to why
pro-lifers believe a z/e/f has a natural
right to life as opposed to an animal or
any other biological life?
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Posted: 07-25-06 13:29pm
The argument i've heard is because the zef
is human; they even go so far sometimes as
to actually say it is a person. I
personally don't believe it is. Because
people have experiences, emotions, and
thoughts.
Whereas animals are just animals.
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Posted: 07-25-06 14:49pm
eiri
wrote:
the argument i've heard is
because the zef is human; they even go so
far sometimes as to actually say it is a
person. I personally don't believe it
is. Because people have experiences,
emotions, and thoughts.
Whereas animals are just
animals.
are you comparing a fetus to an animal
now.
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Now who is attacking? Anyway... No, I
wasn't, and I don't see where you got that
from. Oh, was it it because I said that
what makes us human is emotions, thoughts,
etc? And the fact that fetuses don't have
those things? Sorry you don't like the
facts of biology. Their brains aren't
developed enough for that, according to
research.
The line "animals are just animals" is
seperate, thus why it is on a seprate
line. It is in reference to the other
part of her question, where she asked why
you people are okay with animals dying,
but not fetuses. Again, context hon.
You're good at taking me out of context.
Do you practice?
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Posted: 07-25-06 15:03pm
eiri
wrote:
now who is attacking?
Anyway... No, I wasn't, and I don't see
where you got that from. Oh, was it it
because I said that what makes us human is
emotions, thoughts, etc? And the fact
that fetuses don't have those things?
Sorry you don't like the facts of biology.
Their brains aren't developed enough for
that, according to research.
The line "animals are just animals" is
seperate, thus why it is on a seprate
line. It is in reference to the other
part of her question, where she asked why
you people are okay with animals dying,
but not fetuses. Again, context hon.
You're good at taking me out of context.
Do you
practice?
typical pc reply eh.
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Re: Does a Z/e/f Have a Right to Life? Posted: 07-25-06 19:06pm
happygrl35
wrote:
:?: I was just curious as to
why pro-lifers believe a z/e/f has a
natural right to life as opposed to an
animal or any other biological
life?
because it is an individual human
life....Just like you and i.
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Re: Does a Z/e/f Have a Right to Life? Posted: 07-25-06 21:29pm
happygrl35
wrote:
:?: I was just curious as to
why pro-lifers believe a z/e/f has a
natural right to life as opposed to an
animal or any other biological
life?
exactly like others have mentioned because
animals are not human beings and zefs are
human beings.
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Posted: 07-25-06 23:35pm
cowboys
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
now who is attacking?
Anyway... No, I wasn't, and I don't see
where you got that from. Oh, was it it
because I said that what makes us human is
emotions, thoughts, etc? And the fact
that fetuses don't have those things?
Sorry you don't like the facts of biology.
Their brains aren't developed enough
for that, according to research.
The line "animals are just animals" is
seperate, thus why it is on a seprate
line. It is in reference to the other
part of her question, where she asked why
you people are okay with animals dying,
but not fetuses. Again, context hon.
You're good at taking me out of context.
Do you
practice?
typical pc reply
eh.
query: why is it "typical pro-choice", and
what exactly do you mean by this? Do you
mean that it is an open minded opinion,
with room for expansion and compromise?
Or, are you trying to imply that i'm
pro-death and that I hate children?
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Posted: 07-26-06 03:59am
eiri
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
now who is attacking?
Anyway... No, I wasn't, and I don't
see where you got that from. Oh, was
it it because I said that what makes us
human is emotions, thoughts, etc? And
the fact that fetuses don't have those
things? Sorry you don't like the facts
of biology. Their brains aren't
developed enough for that, according to
research.
The line "animals are just animals" is
seperate, thus why it is on a seprate
line. It is in reference to the other
part of her question, where she asked why
you people are okay with animals dying,
but not fetuses. Again, context hon.
You're good at taking me out of context.
Do you
practice?
typical pc reply
eh.
query: why is it "typical pro-choice", and
what exactly do you mean by this? Do you
mean that it is an open minded opinion,
with room for expansion and compromise?
Or, are you trying to imply that i'm
pro-death and that I hate
children?
no I mean the sarcastic arrogance of the
reply, this is why, even though I believe
in a womans right to choose for herself, I
will never call my self pro choice, I
personaly would not want my partner to
abort and luckily she feels the same.Btw I
have never said you were pro death, now
whos twisting words.As for me using
punctuation, what a joke. I remember you
complaining when I pulled a pcer over her
punctuation.I have just broken my arm so I
may miss the odd comma having to type one
handed.
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Posted: 07-26-06 10:58am
cowboys
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
the argument i've heard is
because the zef is human; they even go so
far sometimes as to actually say it is a
person. I personally don't believe it
is. Because people have experiences,
emotions, and thoughts.
Whereas animals are just
animals.
are you comparing a fetus to an animal
now.
what qualities does a
fetus posses that automatically gains it
more value(thus more rights) than an
animal?
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Re: Does a Z/e/f Have a Right to Life? Posted: 07-26-06 11:00am
nightangel73
wrote:
happygrl35
wrote:
:?: I was just curious as to
why pro-lifers believe a z/e/f has a
natural right to life as opposed to an
animal or any other biological
life?
exactly like others have mentioned because
animals are not human beings and zefs are
human beings.
so what quality does a
human being posses that gives it more
value than other animals.Whats so special
about merely being human?
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Posted: 07-26-06 18:00pm
cowboys
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
cowboys
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
now who is attacking?
Anyway... No, I wasn't, and I don't
see where you got that from. Oh, was
it it because I said that what makes us
human is emotions, thoughts, etc? And
the fact that fetuses don't have those
things? Sorry you don't like the
facts of biology. Their brains aren't
developed enough for that, according to
research.
The line "animals are just animals" is
seperate, thus why it is on a seprate
line. It is in reference to the other
part of her question, where she asked why
you people are okay with animals dying,
but not fetuses. Again, context hon.
You're good at taking me out of
context. Do you
practice?
typical pc reply
eh.
query: why is it "typical pro-choice", and
what exactly do you mean by this? Do
you mean that it is an open minded
opinion, with room for expansion and
compromise? Or, are you trying to imply
that i'm pro-death and that I hate
children?
no I mean the sarcastic arrogance of the
reply, this is why, even though I believe
in a womans right to choose for herself, I
will never call my self pro choice, I
personaly would not want my partner to
abort and luckily she feels the same.Btw I
have never said you were pro death, now
whos twisting words.As for me using
punctuation, what a joke. I remember you
complaining when I pulled a pcer over her
punctuation.I have just broken my arm so I
may miss the odd comma having to type one
handed.
despite my sarcasm, it is still the truth.
I'm sorry to tell you, but because you
believe in a woman's choice to abort, you
are pro-choice. You may be pro-life for
yourself, but you belief is at its basest
level, pro-choice. All pro-choice
requires is the desire to let the woman
chose. From there, you can believe
anything else you want to believe.
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Re: Does a Z/e/f Have a Right to Life? Posted: 07-26-06 18:35pm
happygrl35
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
happygrl35
wrote:
:?: I was just curious as to
why pro-lifers believe a z/e/f has a
natural right to life as opposed to an
animal or any other biological
life?
exactly like others have mentioned because
animals are not human beings and zefs are
human beings.
so what quality does a
human being posses that gives it more
value than other animals.Whats so special
about merely being
human?
humans are special because god created
human in his own image. And only human
can be aware of god and is capable of
fellowshipping with him.
Now if you believe that human came from
the monkey and god doesn't exist then you
will certainly disagree with me. You
believe what you want.
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Please, we're trying to be logical here.
Don't bring religion into it. I
personally feel it is very bad to base a
decision that can potentially kill
thousands of young women on a religion. And i'm taking
about all the girls who can die because
they can't get a safe abortion. Use
religion for yourself, but america (at
least) is built upon a seperation of
church and state (or so it used to be.
The current president is mucking that up
though).
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Posted: 07-26-06 23:19pm
eiri
wrote:
please, we're trying to be
logical here. Don't bring religion into
it. I personally feel it is very bad to
base a decision that can potentially kill
thousands of young women on a religion. And i'm taking
about all the girls who can die because
they can't get a safe abortion. Use
religion for yourself, but america (at
least) is built upon a seperation of
church and state (or so it used to be.
The current president is mucking that up
though).
i have said before eiri I have no pobrem
with abortion being legal for those girls
who would risk their lives for an
abortion. I think it should be illegal
because million unborn babies die but I am
okay with it being legal for this group of
women willing to suicide.
Legal or not don't take away is not a nice
act even if you have no religion at all.
And religion does matter eiri because that
is one major difference between humans and
animals and america more than 70% of
people have a religion, predominatly
christianity whether you like it or not.
Religion is part of the characteristics
that describes a culture from a certain
region.
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Posted: 07-27-06 08:24am
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
please, we're trying to be
logical here. Don't bring religion
into it. I personally feel it is very
bad to base a decision that can
potentially kill thousands of young women
on a religion. And i'm
taking about all the girls who can die
because they can't get a safe abortion.
Use religion for yourself, but america
(at least) is built upon a seperation of
church and state (or so it used to be.
The current president is mucking that up
though).
i have said before eiri I have no pobrem
with abortion being legal for those girls
who would risk their lives for an
abortion. I think it should be illegal
because million unborn babies die but I am
okay with it being legal for this group of
women willing to suicide.
Legal or not don't take away is not a nice
act even if you have no religion at all.
And religion does matter eiri because
that is one major difference between
humans and animals and america more than
70% of people have a religion,
predominatly christianity whether you like
it or not. Religion is part of the
characteristics that describes a culture
from a certain
region.
laws are determined by the people right?
If the people feel something is bad, or
good, or needs adjusting, it is made into
a law. Well, the law stands (made by the
people, for the people as america is; and
gee most of europe too) that abortion is
not murder.
The people themselves say it isn't, and
obviously the majority feel that way, and
so that is what it is. not
murder.
And the major difference between humans
and animals is the fact that we're
self-aware. We know we're here, and we
know what we do. Thus, we are the only
animal capable of making our own
desicions, and conciously knowing what we
do. So please let us continue to be able
to excersize one of our basic human
rights.
Religion was invented because we were
primitive and scared of the world we
didn't understand. So we made up stories
to explain why the ground got too dry in
the summer, and why lights fel from the
sky when it rain, and why monsters roared
in the forests too. It's all made up,
every single religion. Every one of them.
So don't base your morals on stories made
up by frightened humans at night, when
they were trying to chase away the
night-frights.
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Their are many times that a animal is
better off then a human when they are old
and are hurting they do not have to suffer
like a lot of human's do, this is why I
feel abortion is good in a sense that some
babies will not be born to suffer and be
brought in this world unloved, not fed,
unwanted, molested, beaten and abused.
This is why I am glad that their is a
choice, even though I do realize that this
choice may not be easy.
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Posted: 07-27-06 21:08pm
[quote="eiri"]
if the people feel something is bad, or
good, or needs adjusting, it is made into
a law. Well, the law stands (made by
the people, for the people as america is;
and gee most of europe too) that abortion
is not murder.
The people themselves say it isn't, and
obviously the majority feel that way, and
so that is what it is. not
murder.
[ /quote]
we have stated erie that abortion whether
you call it homicide or not is exactly the
same like a homicide. A planned death of
a human being. So if you have an abortion
you have to say that you did planned a
death and went ahead with the dead plan of
a human being. You take a life away
exactly like in a homicide. The only
difference is that in homicide case you go
to jail and with abortion you do not. Act
is the same.
[quote="eiri"]
and the major difference between humans
and animals is the fact that we're
self-aware. We know we're here, and we
know what we do. Thus, we are the only
animal capable of making our own
desicions, and conciously knowing what we
do.
[ /quote]
like I said man is the only one capable of
being aware of god and fellowship with
him.
[quote="eiri"]
so please let us continue to be able to
excersize one of our basic human rights.
[ /quote]
don't need to worry about that one, you
are free to abort all the babies that you
want. Actually I would encourage bahaha
to have abortion, we sure don't want
replicas of bahaha out there lol.
[quote="eiri"]
religion was invented because we were
primitive and scared of the world we
didn't understand. So we made up stories
to explain why the ground got too dry in
the summer, and why lights fel from the
sky when it rain, and why monsters roared
in the forests too. It's all made up,
every single religion. Every one of
them. So don't base your morals on
stories made up by frightened humans at
night, when they were trying to chase away
the night-frights.[ /quote]
now this is your own personal opinion that
I sure don't agree with you. I do not
base my morals in stories made up by
frightened human beings. I believe in
god, I have seeing first hand the miracles
and have experienced myself so I am fully
convinced of his existance. This is the
silliest thing you have said erie.
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Posted: 07-28-06 00:08am
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
if the people feel something is bad, or
good, or needs adjusting, it is made into
a law. Well, the law stands (made by
the people, for the people as america is;
and gee most of europe too) that abortion
is not murder.
The people themselves say it isn't, and
obviously the majority feel that way, and
so that is what it is. not
murder.
we have stated erie that abortion whether
you call it not a nice act or not is
exactly the same like a not a nice act.
A planned death of a human being. So if
you have an abortion you have to say that
you did planned a death and went ahead
with the dead plan of a human being. You
take a life away exactly like in a not a
nice act. The only difference is that in
not a nice act case you go to jail and
with abortion you do not. Act is the
same.
please learn how to spell my username,
it's only 4 letters long. Now, who is
we? Pro-life? Okay, i'm
going to assume that's what you meant.
Abortion is not exactly like murder.
When someone murders someone else, they
mean harm, they are angry, and they want
to hurt the person. They intend harm and
pain, and there is hatred.
A woman who aborts often cares intensly
for the fetus; and aborts because she
knows she can't give it the life it
deserves; and she knows that adoption is
not always a good answer. Abortions are
done out of care and concern, and a person
does not die, like in a murder.
Quote:
eiri
wrote:
and the major difference between humans
and animals is the fact that we're
self-aware. We know we're here, and we
know what we do. Thus, we are the only
animal capable of making our own
desicions, and conciously knowing what we
do.
like I said man is the only one capable of
being aware of god and fellowship with
him.
i'm not christian, I do not believe in
god, so pelase top using him as an excuse
for an argument. Any other way to respond
to my statements besides your religion?
Quote:
eiri
wrote:
so please let us continue to be able to
excersize one of our basic human rights.
don't need to worry about that one, you
are free to abort all the babies that you
want. Actually I would encourage bahaha
to have abortion, we sure don't want
replicas of bahaha out there
lol.
i'm insulted that you think I shouldn't
reproduce. I'm sorry you don't want
children raised by openminded people. Of
course, you probaby want the wolrd to
become more secularized, and have religion
and state be as one. Also, I don't want to
abort any potential children. It would
hurt me very much to do so, but I would,
if I had
to.
Quote:
eiri
wrote:
religion was invented because we were
primitive and scared of the world we
didn't understand. So we made up
stories to explain why the ground got too
dry in the summer, and why lights fel from
the sky when it rain, and why monsters
roared in the forests too. It's all
made up, every single religion. Every
one of them. So don't base your morals
on stories made up by frightened humans at
night, when they were trying to chase away
the
night-frights.
now this is your own personal opinion that
I sure don't agree with you. I do not
base my morals in stories made up by
frightened human beings. I believe in
god, I have seeing first hand the miracles
and have experienced myself so I am fully
convinced of his existance. This is the
silliest thing you have said
erie.
name a miracle you have seen. No, birth
does not count because we know how birth
happens and it is wonderful, but not a
miracle.
Your specific religion actually stems from
a desire for the humans living in the
harsh desert-like land of the middle east
to explain why life sucked so much. They
decided they needed an afterlife to look
forward to, or there must be one, because
this life was so hard.
The devil was invented because simply
threatening the israelites with punishment
upon their descendants wasn't enough to
make them behave. So, a hell was
developed, where those whole disobeyed the
rules would supposedly go after death.
It was all made up by humans.
Why is my disbelief any sillier than your
belief in a compilation of fables written
by falliable men nearly 2,000 years ago?
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Posted: 07-28-06 03:10am
eiri
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
if the people feel something is bad, or
good, or needs adjusting, it is made into
a law. Well, the law stands (made by
the people, for the people as america is;
and gee most of europe too) that abortion
is not murder.
The people themselves say it isn't, and
obviously the majority feel that way, and
so that is what it is. not
murder.
we have stated erie that abortion whether
you call it not a nice act or not is
exactly the same like a not a nice act.
A planned death of a human being. So if
you have an abortion you have to say that
you did planned a death and went ahead
with the dead plan of a human being.
You take a life away exactly like in a not
a nice act. The only difference is that
in not a nice act case you go to jail and
with abortion you do not. Act is the
same.
please learn how to spell my username,
it's only 4 letters long. Now, who is
we? Pro-life? Okay, i'm
going to assume that's what you meant.
Abortion is not exactly like murder.
When someone murders someone else, they
mean harm, they are angry, and they want
to hurt the person. They intend harm and
pain, and there is hatred.
A woman who aborts often cares intensly
for the fetus; and aborts because she
knows she can't give it the life it
deserves; and she knows that adoption is
not always a good answer. Abortions are
done out of care and concern, and a person
does not die, like in a murder.
Quote:
eiri
wrote:
and the major difference between humans
and animals is the fact that we're
self-aware. We know we're here, and we
know what we do. Thus, we are the only
animal capable of making our own
desicions, and conciously knowing what we
do.
like I said man is the only one capable of
being aware of god and fellowship with
him.
i'm not christian, I do not believe in
god, so pelase top using him as an
excuse for an argument. Any other way to
respond to my statements besides
your religion?
Quote:
eiri
wrote:
so please let us continue to be able to
excersize one of our basic
human rights.
don't need to worry about that one, you
are free to abort all the babies that you
want. Actually I would encourage bahaha
to have abortion, we sure don't want
replicas of bahaha out there
lol.
i'm insulted that you think I shouldn't
reproduce. I'm sorry you don't want
children raised by openminded people. Of
course, you probaby want the wolrd to
become more secularized, and have religion
and state be as one. Also, I don't want to
abort any potential children. It would
hurt me very much to do so, but I would,
if I had
to.
Quote:
eiri
wrote:
religion was invented because we were
primitive and scared of the world we
didn't understand. So we made up
stories to explain why the ground got too
dry in the summer, and why lights fel from
the sky when it rain, and why monsters
roared in the forests too. It's all
made up, every single religion. Every
one of them. So don't base your morals
on stories made up by frightened humans at
night, when they were trying to chase away
the
night-frights.
now this is your own personal opinion that
I sure don't agree with you. I do not
base my morals in stories made up by
frightened human beings. I believe in
god, I have seeing first hand the miracles
and have experienced myself so I am fully
convinced of his existance. This is the
silliest thing you have said
erie.
name a miracle you have seen. No, birth
does not count because we know how birth
happens and it is wonderful, but not a
miracle.
Your specific religion actually stems from
a desire for the humans living in the
harsh desert-like land of the middle east
to explain why life sucked so much. They
decided they needed an afterlife to look
forward to, or there must be one, because
this life was so hard.
The devil was invented because simply
threatening the israelites with punishment
upon their descendants wasn't enough to
make them behave. So, a hell was
developed, where those whole disobeyed the
rules would supposedly go after death.
It was all made up by humans.
Why is my disbelief any sillier than your
belief in a compilation of fables written
by falliable men nearly 2,000 years
ago?
eiri if you are going to pull someone on
their spelling then at least spell
properly yourself.The reason I am getting
involved in this, not that I need a
reason, you don't, is because you have
also pulled me about my
grammer/punctuation yet you are less than
perfect yourself.The phrase glass houses
and stones springs to mind here.
